Floyd "Il Never look like Roy Jones"

[Nigel_Benn]

"Although Retired Floyd Mayweather still seems to have an opinion on everyone from Ricky Hatton to Roy Jones Junior, The current p4p King launched in to a scything attack on the Former p4p King, "Its like this Roy is 38 and he still thinks hes the best fighter in the world now im 30 and im retired i beat the best retired at the top of my game, Roy fell of in 2004 when Tarver koed him and up to then he beat up on police officers and dustbin men why does he think he can do anything now hes past it"

[TanstA]

Floyd can sink just as bad as Roy did. At both their primes, my moneys on Roy.

[BeReal]

I used to think It was all self promotion with Floyd, but now, I really think he must be a dickhead.

[brooklyn1550]

Roy accomplished more and was the better fighter...Floyd should tell that to Roy face to face if he thinks all he beat were police officers and bums.

[Smazz20]

I'm sorry but PBF is a much better fighter than rjj.

Don;t be sorry.

Just don't say it again:D

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

Damn right Floyd will never look like Roy Jones... Roy Jones was FUN to watch! That's something Floyd will never be.

[Ramshall1]

Fraud shooting off at the mouth? NOOO. Does anyone actually listen to this coward anymore.

[BeReal]

Don;t be sorry.

Just don't say it again:D

:good

[brooklyn1550]

Damn right Floyd will never look like Roy Jones... Roy Jones was FUN to watch! That's something Floyd will never be.

:good Exactly what I was thinking


Roy wiped out his competition from 160-175 during his best days, Floyd comfortably outpoints his

[PBF P4P #1]

While RJJ prolly was the better fighter in his prime, RJJ does not and did not have the basic boxing skills that PBF has....Those skills will help Floyd win when he is past his prime, you can still have your defensive and offensive skill through training, RJJ lost his speed then his technique was exposed

[brooklyn1550]

While RJJ prolly was the better fighter in his prime, RJJ does not and did not have the basic boxing skills that PBF has....Those skills will help Floyd win when he is past his prime, you can still have your defensive and offensive skill through training, RJJ lost his speed then his technique was exposed

Good post....technically, Floyd Mayweather is better than Roy Jones Jr ever was. Roy was more gifted as an ahlete and I think he was P4P the faster fighter too. But as Roy slowed down, he couldn't get away with many things he once could with ease.

[brooklyn1550]

But anyone who does a little research should know that PBF is a suburban kid with no street cred whatsoever.


:yep Floyd grew up in Grand Rapids, MI...he isn't a gangster, but he has fighting in his blood.

Somebody with real street cred - Bernard Hopkins

[acb]

[quote=Sweet Pea]
I don't understand why Floyd says that now.

quote]

Its all very simple really, its because Floyd is an egotistical, arrogant asshole. It doesnt extend much beyond that.

Funny thing is, many fans on this forum think Floyd is an allright guy, who just self promotes. They think in some way they are down with Floyd. :lol:

Floyd would diss his own mothers food if it promoted the grand opening of his own restaurant.

[acb]

While RJJ prolly was the better fighter in his prime, RJJ does not and did not have the basic boxing skills that PBF has....Those skills will help Floyd win when he is past his prime, you can still have your defensive and offensive skill through training, RJJ lost his speed then his technique was exposed

Doesnt matter, he had what he had. :deal

Uncanny reflexes, superhuman speed, and natural ability.

[Ramshall1]

Its all very simple really, its because Floyd is an egotistical, arrogant asshole. It doesnt extend much beyond that.

Funny thing is, many fans on this forum think Floyd is an allright guy, who just self promotes. They think in some way they are down with Floyd. :lol:

Floyd would diss his own mothers food if it promoted the grand opening of his own restaurant.

exactly, he's a scumbag and a coward.

[acb]

yea he was quick with incredible reflexes but rjj does not have defense. his defense is his speed and his punching.

Contradiction.

But I will help you finish here, his defense was his offense. Roy had you stuck on stupid with the speed, accuracy, power, and unorthodoxy of his punching. He didnt need to worry about defense for most of his career.

[Shake]

Of course he's better than Roy. He's better than Ray Robinson, too, you know. He said so.

I hope Hatton lands a lucky punch, Floyd wakes up and promptly apologises.

[brooklyn1550]

What? match his shitty opposition? yea he was quick with incredible reflexes but rjj does not have defense. his defense is his speed and his punching. what? he moved backwards a lot, straigh backwards then jumps away when he feels uncomfortable.

floyd can fight in the pocket and counterpunch unlike roy could ever do.

Shitty opposition? Hopkins, Toney, Hill, McCallum, Tarver, Woods, Gonzalez, Del Valle, Johnson, Ruiz, Griffin, Pazienza, Malinga, and Castro aren't shit opponents.

And so what if Roy didn't have the fundamentally sound defense and the shoulder roll of Mayweather. In his prime he was so fast and naturally gifted along with superhuman reflexes, that he was real hard to hit and got away with mistakes. It worked well for him and made him a future hall of famer, so more power to him.

What do you mean Roy Jones couldn't counterpunch? Watch the Toney fight and watch his quick, short counterpunches. That's a dumb comment.

[Biggame]

While RJJ prolly was the better fighter in his prime, RJJ does not and did not have the basic boxing skills that PBF has....Those skills will help Floyd win when he is past his prime, you can still have your defensive and offensive skill through training, RJJ lost his speed then his technique was exposed

You're post is exactly why I've always felt that prime for prime Floyd was and is a better fighter! Floyd had the speed, athleticism, talent, and the only thing that he lacked that Roy had was more power! Ppl tend to look at Floyd's fights against bigger guys at 147lbs, and at 154lbs(single fight) and make there assesments, but Floyd was the overall package, and he won't be exposed which is why he was prime for prime a better fighter! He was better technically, fundamentally, and defensively. If Roy fought guys anywhere near is speed, and talent level I don't know how he would cope. He used reflexes, and pure talent but against slower fighters.

Even an out of prime RJJ should still never lose to Glen Johnson if he was more than speed and reflexes! Don't get me wrong when we talk about RJJ. I think he was one of the greats of our time, and I'm a big fan of his, but I hated the fact that he was all flash, and I knew it would catch up to him! I still loved the flash, but Flashy fighters lose bad, and ugly eventually if they run into a fighter who has the same flash, or who can manage to take that away from them if they have nothing to fall back on. No basics ruins you in the end!

[brooklyn1550]

If Roy fought guys anywhere near is speed, and talent level I don't know how he would cope. He used reflexes, and pure talent but against slower fighters.


Who, from 160-175, was as fast or as talented as Jones?

[acb]

If Roy fought guys anywhere near is speed, and talent level I don't know how he would cope.

I will never understand comments like these.

If Fedor fought anyone with his same skill level he may also lose, but there isnt anybody with it, thats the whole point.

[acb]

because of his opposition. what does that say about a fighter when he doesn't need defense.

It says he is an ATF fighter with skills we may have never seen in boxing history.

Oh yeah, and your remark about his opposition. Funny, most of the other guys who fought Hopkins and Toney needed defense. :think

[acb]

Its funny to me to see Floyd fans knocking Roy´s competition.

Which two fighters exaclty on Floyd´s resume match up with Bernard Hopkins and James Toney? :hey

[A-50]

Roy Jones has a Glass Jaw. PBF would knock him out.

[brooklyn1550]

Roy Jones has a Glass Jaw. PBF would knock him out.

Just like he knocked out Zab Judah right? And also because Floyd has the power and size of Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson right?

[JC2006]

Roy Jones has a Glass Jaw. PBF would knock him out.

Yeah at what weight class? PBF doesn't have the power to knock him out at any time in history.

[PBF P4P #1]

Doesnt matter, he had what he had. :deal

Uncanny reflexes, superhuman speed, and natural ability.

True and when that leaves you it is hard to compete at the highest level, however if you are still the most skillful ala BHop you can still compete at the highest level

[A-50]

Just like he knocked out Zab Judah right? And also because Floyd has the power and size of Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson right?



Glen Johnson ain't got any power, neither does Tarver really. Roy Jones fought police officers and bartenders, he never took a risk with maybe the exception of Tarver who knocked his ass out in 2 rounds and embarrrassed him in the 3rd fight. Jones knew he had a Glass Jaw, that is why he avoided power punchers his whole career. He handpicked 95% of his opponents. These are facts. :smoke

[BeReal]

Good ole Floyd nuthuggers, if he said Sugar Ray Robinson was never any good, there is some moron out there who would second his opinion :roll:

[RAMPAGE0017]

Floyd has fought many good fighters. Yes he beat hopkins years and eyars ago but that was before hopkins peak. and yes he beat an out of shape toney. he didn't give either opponents a rematch when they both wanted one. AND he fought these two at the peak of his career.

floyd has fought castillo, judah, DLH, corrales, decrley.

he gave castillo a rematch and beat him better than b4. and he's TRYING to get a rematch with oscar when some thought that oscar won. i'm sorry but the level of opposition does not matter. floyd is a better fighter and could continue fighting late in his career because of that.

roy would beat him in a track meet or a speed punch contest but he is not the well-rounded fighter floyd is. floyd is much more versatile, and i'm not one to hug floyds nuts because i dont really like the guy. I'm just saying that floyd is an ALL TIME better fighter period.

I can't help but laugh everytime someone says that Hopkins wasn't in his prime when he fought Jones. Hopkins had 22 consecutive wins before he lost to Jones, and he never lost again until meeting Taylor. Not only that, but I should also mention that the Hopkins and Jones fight was for the IBF title, and as soon as Jones leaves the division, Hopkins wins that very title just two years later.

I guess what I'm trying to say is.... Jones beat PRIME Hopkins. :good

If both fighters wanted a rematch, they should've met his demands. Jones offered Hopkins a 60-40 split.. that's not reasonable?


Not only is Roy Jones a champion in four different weight divisions, but he absolutely ruled the entire light-heavyweight division.

[Biggame]

OK folks,...we are talking prime for prime, and we are talking at there best weight aren't we?

Now that we have that clear, both fighters at there best weight were the fastest, most talented, most atheletic fighter around, so what you guys try to take from Floyd at his weight now you have to add back in, and most of you aren't:nono You're more looking at the excitement part, and the KO part which means once again you can't leave out Floyd's best weight!

I'll put it this way...

Who was as fast as either fighter at there best weight?

Who was as talented at there best weight?

Who was as gifted, You're ans will be no-one correct?

Now take them out of there weightclasses, and on a P4P skill start matching them up! What I just listed was all Roy and Floyd's Pro's, and they are pretty evenly matched! Now we also have to throw in the cons when matching them up or should I say what they lacked as fighters P4P.

Techinically- Floyd

Fundamentally- Floyd

Generalship- Close but still Floyd

Chin- Floyd

Defense- Floyd

They don't look so even anymore, and what Floyd might not have in power, and a possible slight speed advantage to RJJ, he'd be able to make up w/his defensive abilty, ring generalship, and own speed!

I know some don't agree, but it's all mythical, and a matter of opinion. To me when you break it down to there natural gifts, and what they've learned and mastered as fighters, in the end Floyd is a better Prime for Prime fighter! RJJ wouldn't be able to overcome Floyd w/his speed, like he did a raw Hopkins:nono Toney as gifted, and great a fighter as he was he was a lazy fighter at times, and lacked discipline as he showed in preparation for the fight w/RJJ!

I'll take Floyd!!

[Ramshall1]

you forgot one,

courage to face the biggest threats - Not Floyd.

[kg0208]

Floyd has fought many good fighters. Yes he beat hopkins years and eyars ago but that was before hopkins peak. and yes he beat an out of shape toney. he didn't give either opponents a rematch when they both wanted one. AND he fought these two at the peak of his career.

floyd has fought castillo, judah, DLH, corrales, decrley.

he gave castillo a rematch and beat him better than b4. and he's TRYING to get a rematch with oscar when some thought that oscar won. i'm sorry but the level of opposition does not matter. floyd is a better fighter and could continue fighting late in his career because of that.

roy would beat him in a track meet or a speed punch contest but he is not the well-rounded fighter floyd is. floyd is much more versatile, and i'm not one to hug floyds nuts because i dont really like the guy. I'm just saying that floyd is an ALL TIME better fighter period.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yah, those other world champions Jones fought weren't worth anything. I already proved this to be false months ago. Don't have time to do it now. You're wrong though.

And Jones was not at his peak when he beat Hopkins, though he was comming into it when he fought and beat Toney. Roy Jones, the only fighter to ever be criticized for not giving a guy he beat 8-4 with a broken hand and one he beat 10-2 a rematch. BTW, Toney never earned a rematch. He and Jones were never in the same weight class, and Toney was also losing.

[Biggame]

you forgot one,

courage to face the biggest threats - Not Floyd.

Guys like you add so much boy I'll tell ya!!:patsch

Anyway, both fighters earlier in there careers took on the best, and they both simmered down to a point. Floyd has never fought ballroom brawlers, cab drivers, and Police officers as defenses either. He went after top guys like Cotto, and Hatton, not to mention Mosely and Oscar when they were both prime! So what's you're point now? I'll ans...you have none!

Moving up in weight is always a risk and takes courage especially when you are as small as Floyd. Giving rematches takes courage something Roy never did against the two biggest threats of his career(Toney and Hopkins) So again I'll ask....what's your point:huh

[Toopretty]

Name the source/???

Floyd never said that, Roy gave Floyd his props. Floyd would not diss Roy openly like that. Only reason would be if he was mad cause Roy is getting a fight with Trinidad..lol:yep

[liljp361]

well I cant defend floyd for this...no reasont to be saying that about the great Roy Jones...

[kg0208]

Guys like you add so much boy I'll tell ya!!:patsch

Anyway, both fighters earlier in there careers took on the best, and they both simmered down to a point. Floyd has never fought ballroom brawlers, cab drivers, and Police officers as defenses either. He went after top guys like Cotto, and Hatton, not to mention Mosely and Oscar when they were both prime! So what's you're point now? I'll ans...you have none!

Moving up in weight is always a risk and takes courage especially when you are as small as Floyd. Giving rematches takes courage something Roy never did against the two biggest threats of his career(Toney and Hopkins) So again I'll ask....what's your point:huh

Whoa whoa.....DLH was NOT prime. And he hasn't fought any of the other fighters you named.

And again, I challenge you guys to name all the cops and cab drivers. There are as far as I can tell, 2 public servants on Jones resume. Frazier and Gonzalez. You can't really say anything against Jones for fighting Gonzalez now can you? BTW....12 of the 15 fighters Jones fought at 175 were ranked in the top 10, and something like 5 of them were top 4. 8 of them were champions. Lets leave the myth of Jones competition alone. Not knowing who the fighters are and them not being good are different things.

[Toopretty]

haha. Nobody was faster, or quicker on there feet than Floyd. Punch wise, Sweat pea..lol He was not that fast. Taylor..haha some more. Camacho. You have to be on crack. Mosley is faster with arm punches only. Not in quickness or foot speed. Mosley is easy to hit and doesnt even move that much.

[kg0208]

haha. Nobody was faster, or quicker on there feet than Floyd. Punch wise, Sweat pea..lol He was not that fast. Taylor..haha some more. Camacho. You have to be on crack. Mosley is faster with arm punches only. Not in quickness or foot speed. Mosley is easy to hit and doesnt even move that much.
Ummm...Taylor was faster than PBF. Actually, he was noticably faster. So was 135 Mosley. Arm punches? You ever look at Mosley's KO ratio?

[brooklyn1550]

haha. Nobody was faster, or quicker on there feet than Floyd. Punch wise, Sweat pea..lol He was not that fast. Taylor..haha some more. Camacho. You have to be on crack. Mosley is faster with arm punches only. Not in quickness or foot speed. Mosley is easy to hit and doesnt even move that much.

Intelligence wise, Toopretty...lol He is not that smart

[Ramshall1]

Guys like you add so much boy I'll tell ya!!:patsch

Anyway, both fighters earlier in there careers took on the best, and they both simmered down to a point. Floyd has never fought ballroom brawlers, cab drivers, and Police officers as defenses either. He went after top guys like Cotto, and Hatton, not to mention Mosely and Oscar when they were both prime! So what's you're point now? I'll ans...you have none!

Moving up in weight is always a risk and takes courage especially when you are as small as Floyd. Giving rematches takes courage something Roy never did against the two biggest threats of his career(Toney and Hopkins) So again I'll ask....what's your point:huh

uh, RJJ gave Tarver a rematch.

all in all, RJJ fought many more actual threats in their primes.

I aint a big RJJ fan cause there was a long span where he fought a bunch of bums on HBO and HBO let him get away with it. I think FMJ saw that as his blueprint. . . ie Bruseles, Old Mitchel etc.

Point is Fraud is a worse p4p representative for boxing than RJJ, as sad as that is.

[kg0208]

uh, RJJ gave Tarver a rematch.

all in all, RJJ fought many more actual threats in their primes.

I aint a big RJJ fan cause there was a long span where he fought a bunch of bums on HBO and HBO let him get away with it. I think FMJ saw that as his blueprint. . . ie Bruseles, Old Mitchel etc.

Point is Fraud is a worse p4p representative for boxing than RJJ, as sad as that is.

Actually that's false. Go watch the interview with Jones in the middle of the ring. HBO admitted to not believing Jones was trying to get big fights. He asked HBO to try and make the fights and they were turned down by the biggest names at SMW. Unless HBO is lying, though I have no idea why they would do that.

[Toopretty]

You ESB forum posters are dumber than the article posters. lol Taylor faster than floyd WOW. Mosley throws a whole lot of arm punches DO YOU KNOW BOXING. ANY of you Amateur idiots. Yeah he got a good KO ratio with Lightweights. I would like to add that.

[Ramshall1]

Actually that's false. Go watch the interview with Jones in the middle of the ring. HBO admitted to not believing Jones was trying to get big fights. He asked HBO to try and make the fights and they were turned down by the biggest names at SMW. Unless HBO is lying, though I have no idea why they would do that.

so are you saying RJJ did or did not want the big fights?

[JC2006]

haha. Nobody was faster, or quicker on there feet than Floyd. Punch wise, Sweat pea..lol He was not that fast. Taylor..haha some more. Camacho. You have to be on crack. Mosley is faster with arm punches only. Not in quickness or foot speed. Mosley is easy to hit and doesnt even move that much.

Taylor arguably had the fastest hands in history... Floyd was not faster than him ever, nor will he ever be.

Arm punches? Mosley doesn't move that much? Fuck man... :huh :nono

[Toopretty]

You dip, we are talking about speed. Have you seen comacho fight. Meldrick Taylor was fast but not as fast or no where near as quick as Floyd. You are talking about one aspect of fast. I am talking about movement and punch velocity. And Mosley is a good COUNTER puncher he dont get his KO's from raw power. He gets it with shots the other guy does not see coming. He couldnt dent Winky. I never said Floyd has more power than Winky. Backwards people I tell ya

[kg0208]

so are you saying RJJ did or did not want the big fights?

According to Jones and confirmed by HBO, at the time of that interview, HBO had been turned down by Benn, Collins, and Liles. Jones always claimed he made offers and they were turned down. HBO I guess got tired of hearing that, and Jones told them to make a fight with whomever. But then HBO started getting turned down.

So Jones wanted big fights, but according to that interview, and someone posted it here a month ago, even HBO couldn't get people to fight him. Benn turned down a career high payday.

[brooklyn1550]

You ESB forum posters are dumber than the article posters. lol Taylor faster than floyd WOW. Mosley throws a whole lot of arm punches DO YOU KNOW BOXING. ANY of you Amateur idiots. Yeah he got a good KO ratio with Lightweights. I would like to add that.

Meldrick Taylor was faster than Floyd...are you blind? His handspeed was perhaps the best in history. Mosley was a natural lightweight who KO'd lightweights left and right. What was Floyd's KO percentage at lightweight? Mosley throws some arm punches, mainly a pawing jab, but he had a lot of snap on his punches.

[Toopretty]

Mosley dont move around the ring that much, he likes to stand and trade. He always stands and trades. Mosley is very very physically strong for his size. He is not in and out like a speed fighter.:bbb :deal

[kg0208]

You dip, we are talking about speed. Have you seen comacho fight. Meldrick Taylor was fast but not as fast or no where near as quick as Floyd. You are talking about one aspect of fast. I am talking about movement and punch velocity. And Mosley is a good COUNTER puncher he dont get his KO's from raw power. He gets it with shots the other guy does not see coming. He couldnt dent Winky. I never said Floyd has more power than Winky. Backwards people I tell ya

LOL, nice try. Taylor had faster hands. Period. And Mosley simply has power. And not from counter punching....he often pressed fights. Mosley couldn't KO a guy at 154? Wow....he started at 135. Can you name the guys PBF stopped at that weight? Or at 147?

[brooklyn1550]

Mosley dont move around the ring that much, he likes to stand and trade. He always stands and trades. Mosley is very very physically strong for his size. He is not in and out like a speed fighter.:bbb :deal

Okay, handspeed-wise Mosley and Taylor were faster that Floyd, but footspeed and movement, Floyd is superior - is that what you are trying to say?

[kg0208]

Mosley dont move around the ring that much, he likes to stand and trade. He always stands and trades. Mosley is very very physically strong for his size. He is not in and out like a speed fighter.:bbb :deal

Wait...make up your mind. He is either a stand and trade fighter or a counter puncher. :deal

[Toopretty]

Mosley has not been a lightweight for about 6 years plus. I think you can say he is not a natural lightweight anymore. You know, and his KO ratio and power did not come up with him. He can crack and he can COUNTER. Mosley gets those sneaky big counter punches in to get his KO's that is no Diss to mosley. I am just saying he is not a raw power puncher period.

[istmeno]

Meldrick Taylor was faster than Floyd...are you blind? His handspeed was perhaps the best in history. Mosley was a natural lightweight who KO'd lightweights left and right. What was Floyd's KO percentage at lightweight? Mosley throws some arm punches, mainly a pawing jab, but he had a lot of snap on his punches.

don't waste your time with him brooklyn. clearly he has absolutely no clue.

btw for me taylor was the second fastest set of hands i have seen. the fastest belonged to 130 camacho

[brooklyn1550]

the fastest belonged to 130 camacho

:good Camacho was a freak at 130...I would love to see Camacho-Mayweather at SFW both at their best.

[kg0208]

Mosley has not been a lightweight for about 6 years plus. I think you can say he is not a natural lightweight anymore. You know, and his KO ratio and power did not come up with him. He can crack and he can COUNTER. Mosley gets those sneaky big counter punches in to get his KO's that is no Diss to mosley. I am just saying he is not a raw power puncher period.

If you are standing and trading, it isn't very sneaky now is it.

Not being a power puncher and throwing "arm punches" are entirely different now aren't they?

[Toopretty]

You can be both. Mosley has his own style he trades but catches guys with shots they do not see b/c of his hand speed on the inside. Oh and of course his combinations which are good. He is not a raw power puncher at all. He was a BIG STRONG lightweight with hand speed, of course he is going to knock everybody out. But who did he knock out at 147(please do not say vargas) And floyd started out 3 years as superfeather..lol so two weights up for him 140 and floyd stopped everybody he fought at 140 but Corley and knocked him down like 3 times. Go fish again

[Ramshall1]

According to Jones and confirmed by HBO, at the time of that interview, HBO had been turned down by Benn, Collins, and Liles. Jones always claimed he made offers and they were turned down. HBO I guess got tired of hearing that, and Jones told them to make a fight with whomever. But then HBO started getting turned down.

So Jones wanted big fights, but according to that interview, and someone posted it here a month ago, even HBO couldn't get people to fight him. Benn turned down a career high payday.

I dont know too much about it, but I have my suspicions. . . I'ts like when FMJ said he wanted to fight Hatton then ended up fighting Bruseles. . . . He said he went down the list of best possible fighters but he's full of shiit. He couldnt get the big money fight with Hattn and went straight downt to number 15 with Bruseles. RJJ did this kinda crap alot.

But all in all FMJ is a bigger dissapointment than RJJ was.

[brooklyn1550]

But who did he knock out at 147(please do not say vargas)

We wont say Vargas because that was at 154

[Toopretty]

If you have fast hands. Yes it is.lol you can sneak uppercuts and hooks while the other guys is still winding up to throw his power shot. If you watched mosley ever you would see that is where he got most of his KO's

[kg0208]

I dont know too much about it, but I have my suspicions. . . I'ts like when FMJ said he wanted to fight Hatton then ended up fighting Bruseles. . . . He said he went down the list of best possible fighters but he's full of shiit. He couldnt get the big money fight with Hattn and went straight downt to number 15 with Bruseles. RJJ did this kinda crap alot.

But all in all FMJ is a bigger dissapointment than RJJ was.

It was HBO confirming that THEY made offers and were turned down by Benn, Collins, and Liles. Not Jones.

And PBF fought Brussles as an eliminator. That was before Hatton even had a belt I believe.

[Toopretty]

And to the smart ass fake know it all Kg0208, its called what CLASS. "mixing it up" You know something Calzaghe does throws a lot of fast arm punches(toe to toe) and when you open up to try to answer he throws what CLASS a power punch which I consider a counter b/c the other guy does not see it. Mosley does the same thing.

[istmeno]

It was HBO confirming that THEY made offers and were turned down by Benn, Collins, and Liles. Not Jones.

And PBF fought Brussles as an eliminator. That was before Hatton even had a belt I believe.

he fought the eliminator while already vivian harris' mandatory.

[Toopretty]

Who you calling and idiot with your clown ass

[Biggame]

Who was as fast as either fighter at there best weight? None for Roy, Camacho, Whitaker, Mosley, Taylor, etc for Floyd.

Who was as talented at there best weight? None for Roy, the above and Duran and a few others for Floyd.

Who was as gifted, You're ans will be no-one correct? None for ROy, the above for Floyd.

So right now Roy has the clear edge.

Techinically- Floyd

Fundamentally- Floyd

Generalship- EASILY Roy.

Chin- Floyd

Defense- Even

Based on this I can say that Floyd was more orthodox, that's it. Virgil Hill was more orthodox than RJJ, why did RJJ win that one? Hopkins was more orthodox, yet Roy won. So was Toney, yet Roy won.

Being more orthodox doesn't mean you're better, sometimes(in Roy's case) being unorthodox works VERY well.

I disagree w/you especially since now that you mentioned it who did RJJ have that outside of him was anything in his best weightclass? Mayweather at the same time had the above mentioned guys and I still pick him. Remember we're talking Prime for Prime here so basically you can class all of them together. Floyd comes from and is around a weightclass FULL of legends, and greats who possesed all those things,... Roy doesn't:nono Basically you're saying that guys like Duran, and Whittaker didn't compare to Roy:huh I said best weight, not fighters around that weight. We aren't trying to go into the realms of fighters past were talking two guys at there best!

Now on to what you're trying to state as far Hopkins, Toney, and Hill being orthodox along w/Floyd. Did any of them have the speed to keep up w/Roy, as talented as Roy, or gifted. We can't compare their oposition and try and twist it. We're talking Prime for Prime, and that's why you bringing in guys like Pea, Camacho, and Taylor don't make since. All them can be bunched when it comes to talent and speed, and all those things. They were all a cut above everyone else in there days, but those little guys had more opposition that had similar speed, and ability. Roy didn't have those type of opponents day in and day out. If a guy around his weightclass was even above slow or mediocore w/his hands he was considered fast. I'm not using that, I'm taking them for what they have. I can say Roy has been in three tough fights, and he lost them all! I can say Hopkins though 22 fights in was still green, and was never given a rematch. We all know the Toney story and he was never given a rematch. Is any of that relevant?

You just made a mute point, You give Roy the advantage when it comes to Ring Generalship you hve to be kidding and you really blew when you said that they were even in the defense department:-( You tried to twist it by bringing in Duran and Mosely and Pea(guys around his weightclass) to help out your point...nice try...they're all comparable so you can't throw me off. The comp part doesn't work either:nono

You have you opinion, and I have mine. I respect yours, but I also respectfully disagree! I think Floyd is the better overall fighter w/more of a total package. When comparing Prime for Prime, you have to compare them P4P also because they're weightclasses apart. I give it to Floyd!!:good

[kg0208]

And to the smart ass fake know it all Kg0208, its called what CLASS. "mixing it up" You know something Calzaghe does throws a lot of fast arm punches(toe to toe) and when you open up to try to answer he throws what CLASS a power punch which I consider a counter b/c the other guy does not see it. Mosley does the same thing.
Hey....another alias who hates me!

Cuz I think your wrong, I am a know it all. Good to see I rub stupid people the wrong way.

Calzaghe is a pressure fighter. He is not a power puncher and his fights are generally stopped now because of the beatings and accumiliation. Calzaghe doesn't throw any CLASS power punches. Very rare. You only don't see Mosley's punches cuz of his speed. He is far more than a counter puncher.

Mosley catches people coming in, going out, and in their face. He threw HARD combos, not arm punches. If you're too busy trying to wax PBF's balls to see that, sounds like a personal problem.

[kg0208]

he fought the eliminator while already vivian harris' mandatory.
Yes, but you said Hatton lol.

[Toopretty]

Floyd was going after tysu, and that was almost a done deal but tsyu chose to fight Hatton. There was no duck dodging by anybody. Floyd fought Gatti. It was out of Harris or Gatti. Who do you think he would choose. 4mill vs about 1-2 maybe.

[Ramshall1]

It was HBO confirming that THEY made offers and were turned down by Benn, Collins, and Liles. Not Jones.

And PBF fought Brussles as an eliminator. That was before Hatton even had a belt I believe.

I just think there were probably better fighters in between that they could have made offers to between Benn Collins etc and many of the bums he ended up fighting.

He should have gone after Tszu then. . . and instead of fighting Sharmba in front of 2500 snoozing fans he had other, better fighters available and made no offers to them.

[cuchulain]

Floyd's resume to this point, does not come close to matching Roy's.

Roy has faced better opposition and disposed of them in much more convincing fashion.

In purely orthodox terms, Floyd would have an edge, but when you factor in Roy's superior athleticism, and the fact that he was not only faster ,p4p, but also faster in absolute terms, together with his skill superiority, I rank Roy as the better boxer, fighter and sportsman.

[Ramshall1]

Fraud will always choose the path of least resistance. . . just ask Margarito.

[kg0208]

I just think there were probably better fighters in between that they could have made offers to between Benn Collins etc and many of the bums he ended up fighting.

He should have gone after Tszu then. . . and instead of fighting Sharmba in front of 2500 snoozing fans he had other, better fighters available and made no offers to them.

We don't know who he made offers to. You believe he didn't make offers.

There were not many great SMW for Jones to fight. It's why he moved to LHW.

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There is the link.

[Toopretty]

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Proof that Mosley has no speed in his power punches and only his arm punches. Period. He is one punch at a time with his power shots.lol idiots

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[kg0208]

LOL why? Roy hadn't fought ANY great fighters since tony or hopkins. THEN he fought Tarver and won a MILD decision. AND GOT OWNED IN BOTH REMATCHES. lost to glen johnson.

PBF has fought great fighters such as DLH castillo, corrales, judah.....and completely owned them. Not to mention he can still fight for years to come because of his defensive abilities.

Yah, Hill...the future HOF isn't a great fighter. Neither was Griffin, even though he had just beat Toney 2 times and was unbeaten and a top 3 LHW.

[istmeno]

Yes, but you said Hatton lol.

not me.

[Biggame]

Whoa whoa.....DLH was NOT prime. And he hasn't fought any of the other fighters you named.

And again, I challenge you guys to name all the cops and cab drivers. There are as far as I can tell, 2 public servants on Jones resume. Frazier and Gonzalez. You can't really say anything against Jones for fighting Gonzalez now can you? BTW....12 of the 15 fighters Jones fought at 175 were ranked in the top 10, and something like 5 of them were top 4. 8 of them were champions. Lets leave the myth of Jones competition alone. Not knowing who the fighters are and them not being good are different things.

Read my post. I said "went after them when they were prime"!

Hey you fight who's in front of you. Sometimes a ranking means nothing. I personally loved RJJ as a fighter, but at the same time I know the sport and being a fan didn't cloud my judgement when it came to some opponents:nono Let's be honest here...175 wasn't a packed division at all! Regardless of what ppl think RJJ is an alltime Great IMO, and nothing will change that. I'm not talking top 50 either. I'm talking top 15!

[brooklyn1550]

Yah, Hill...the future HOF isn't a great fighter. Neither was Griffin, even though he had just beat Toney 2 times and was unbeaten and a top 3 LHW.

Don't waste any more time kg - some people will never learn

[Toopretty]

Margarito just mentioning that name in the same sentence as mayweather shows me the breed of clown I am dealing with on here. Boxing SPECIAL:huh

[istmeno]

Floyd was going after tysu, and that was almost a done deal but tsyu chose to fight Hatton. There was no duck dodging by anybody. Floyd fought Gatti. It was out of Harris or Gatti. Who do you think he would choose. 4mill vs about 1-2 maybe.

don't twist history. it was not a choice of gatti or harris. he was already harris' mandatory when he fought the ELIMINATOR with bruseles. so there was no need to fight bruseles if he was looking for a title shot. it was there already.

[Biggame]

I just read that and I don't even know what you said.....

However, Roy did EASILY have better ring generalship than Floyd. Floyd runs around the ring and waits for his opponent to do something, that isn't generalship, Roy had generalship, he would hit you from all angles and had some of the best footwork ever. He was a general, Floyd is not. And yes Roy in his prime easily had at least as good defense as Floyd. He never got hurt for 15 years aside from a single shot by Del Valle, he was so quick and slick noone could hit him.

Again you're talking bout Floyd at the higher weights not his best weight, and I think it's weighing in heavily on your argument!

[Toopretty]

Damn the blind leading the blind on this mothertrucker. PBF and ROY did that same thing. They cleaned out one division moved up and fought who made them money. With Roy, everybody made him money b/c you paid to see the ROY show. But Roy fought more GOOD fighters. But LOST to some of those guys. And floyd never lost moving up 5 weight classes. There is an argument for both cases.

[Biggame]

130 to 140 is higher weights? I rate Roy from 160 to 175, so what's the problem?

Ok so then you are stating that from 130-140lbs Floyd ran and waited? Are you kidding me Pea!!! What you just stated about RJJ is exactly what Floyd did!

[cuchulain]

but how can you say that he was faster agility wise? roy stands in front of his opponents and barely moves his upperbody. if he moves his feet its only a step back until he jumps away from danger.




But that's all he needed to do to avoid being hit. Why run around all over the ring (Floyd) when you can avoid danger by a slight, subtle movement and still be in a position to counter.

Roy, hands down, was the better ring general and boxer.

[Toopretty]

34, he lost the first Tarver fight. lol. But that is a good point. But I am no Roy hater. So I can say they are both Dominate fighters that you are not just going to beat. You have to train hard and have a serious game plan. Or you will lose. Roy was very, very unorthodox.

[PrideOfWales]

Il Never look like Roy Jones

I think he's just saying that even though he's 30, he still can't grow any facial hair.

[Biggame]

130 to 140 is higher weights? I rate Roy from 160 to 175, so what's the problem?

Good night Folks.....debate on!!

:thumbsup

[Words]

I'm sorry but Roy Jones Jnr is the better guy for me. I think Roy, in his prime at Super-Middle or Light-Heavy, is about as close to a genuinely unbeatable fighter as I've ever seen. No disrespect to Floyd but Roy Jones Jnr was toying with guys like Bernard Hopkins and James Toney, future legends. Roy knocked guys out with two hands behind his back. He won a legitimate title at heavyweight against a more-or-less legitimate titleholder. Its a lot more impressive to go from middleweight to heavyweight and win titles than it is to go from 135lbs to 154lbs.

[JC2006]

Fraud will always choose the path of least resistance. . . just ask Margarito.

Wrong. He will choose the path of the most money, which Margarito does not offer at present time.

[Toopretty]

UH dont floyd do the same thing. I never seen floyd run around the ring. He always goes to the center of the ring. Then its the other guy that wants no part of Floyd in the center of the ring. Learn boxing. Floyd is elusive, Spinks RUNS. Floyd is always there he lands his shots. If you ever watched his fights, he always finds a way to the center of the ring. And the other guy wont dare fight him there. They push, hold, grab and do anything to push him against the ropes. That aint running my friend. Go step in the ring with a boxer and just plant your feet and stand there and come forward against a bigger guy. Then call me to talk about it if you are comprehensive

[Ramshall1]

Margarito just mentioning that name in the same sentence as mayweather shows me the breed of clown I am dealing with on here. Boxing SPECIAL:huh

youre right, one has the courage to fight the best possible opposition . . . and the other is a coward.

[Ramshall1]

Wrong. He will choose the path of the most money, which Margarito does not offer at present time.

FMJ left money on the table when he turned down the famous 8 mil offer to avoid Margarito. Ive explained this many times b4.

[db21]

the bigeest difference between floyd and roy jones, is that roy jones was a great athlete, who boxed...Floyd is a great boxer who's an atlhlete..when roy jones athleticsm declined he had very litlle boxing skill to fall back on..when floyds athleticsm declines he still has skill..which is why floyd is better at his craft

[Carlos Primera]

floyd is an asshole simply put. but i dont agree that roy's resume is better, imo they're resumes are more or less comparable.

[twenty1]

"Although Retired Floyd Mayweather still seems to have an opinion on everyone from Ricky Hatton to Roy Jones Junior, The current p4p King launched in to a scything attack on the Former p4p King, "Its like this Roy is 38 and he still thinks hes the best fighter in the world now im 30 and im retired i beat the best retired at the top of my game, Roy fell of in 2004 when Tarver koed him and up to then he beat up on police officers and dustbin men why does he think he can do anything now hes past it"



And he's right......roy jones has no defense....tarver beat him because he (tarver) had good defense....but I'll say this if roy jones and mayweather fought it would be like the mayweather vs zab judah fight where roy would dominate the early rounds just to get taken to school by mayweather for the rest of the trip!!!!!

[twenty1]

Thats like saying a real gangster loves listening to Kenny G...


no its not.....:think

[Scar]

I don't believe that what Floyd said there is true to be honest but if it then he must be REALLY stupid to talk smack about someone way more accomplished than he'll ever be.

[bigtime9]

UH dont floyd do the same thing. I never seen floyd run around the ring. He always goes to the center of the ring. Then its the other guy that wants no part of Floyd in the center of the ring. Learn boxing. Floyd is elusive, Spinks RUNS. Floyd is always there he lands his shots. If you ever watched his fights, he always finds a way to the center of the ring. And the other guy wont dare fight him there. They push, hold, grab and do anything to push him against the ropes. That aint running my friend. Go step in the ring with a boxer and just plant your feet and stand there and come forward against a bigger guy. Then call me to talk about it if you are comprehensive


great post...too many blind fucks don't even know boxing, but have a keyboard.

[Mind Reader]

34, he lost the first Tarver fight. lol. But that is a good point. But I am no Roy hater. So I can say they are both Dominate fighters that you are not just going to beat. You have to train hard and have a serious game plan. Or you will lose. Roy was very, very unorthodox.

I can spot a Roy hater, and you my friend are that exact thing:hi:

[Mind Reader]

because of his opposition. what does that say about a fighter when he doesn't need defense.

One of many quotes that come from a Roy hater through and through:yep

[IntentionalButt]

Floyd can sink just as bad as Roy did. At both their primes, my moneys on Roy.
i would hope so, as their primes were several weightclasses apart. :yep

[Heavyrighthand]

Mayweather says this as if his retirement is concrete and certain to stay in place.

AH! That guy's ego will certainly lure him back, even before he's missed. Who's he kidding? He won't be able to let it go, so Jones fighting is somethign he shouldn't discredit, til he's been out of the ring for at least three years, and stays retired. But I don't see that happening.

[bigtime9]

i think roy would beat floyd if they fought. skill wise thier bout same but roys bigger and stronger


what a douche bag roy started at 154 floyd started at 130:lol: are you that desperate to see floyd take an L:blood

[eze]

34, he lost the first Tarver fight. lol. But that is a good point. But I am no Roy hater. So I can say they are both Dominate fighters that you are not just going to beat. You have to train hard and have a serious game plan. Or you will lose. Roy was very, very unorthodox.



Can I get your scorecard for the first fight? Or are you gonna be a puss and back out?

[eze]

Hey Dipper wheres ur scorecard?

[C Money]

Floyd has claimed to be the best EVER:lol: :lol:

So, it's really not suprising to hear him diss yet another legend:good

Lets see floyd fight the best opp and see what he looks like:good

[champ007]

Floyd only said that because Roy just did an interview saying Floyd didn't have any explosions in the Hoya fight, like he promised. Floyd is sensitive.lol

[bladerunner]

Mayrunner has to diss boxing legends to be talked about cause he sees that nobody gives a shit if hes retired.

[maracho]

"Ay homes, why Tito when me and you could be 24/7 all over again? I'll be the bad guy dissin an old legend again." "Hmmm and a light heavyweight belt would surely make me look awsome in the history books!"

Floyd couldnt carry Roy's jock-strap prime for prime!

[SugarRay]

LOL why? Roy hadn't fought ANY great fighters since tony or hopkins. THEN he fought Tarver and won a MILD decision. AND GOT OWNED IN BOTH REMATCHES. lost to glen johnson.

PBF has fought great fighters such as DLH castillo, corrales, judah.....and completely owned them. Not to mention he can still fight for years to come because of his defensive abilities.

The only great fighter Mayweather fought was dela Hoya, who by that time was already past his prime. Mayweather didn't completely own dela Hoya nor Castillo. He barely got by them. Castillo, Corrales and Judah have already been beaten by others. I would love to see how Mayweather copes when he is 35 and over.

Your post is a load of rubbish. Jones in his prime dominated all his opponents including Toney and Hopkins. Who has Mayweather ever fought in Toney's or Hopkin's calibre?

[igotJUIC3]

Floyd and RJ did the same thing when it came down to fighting the best but there resumes are the same to me....they both had good fights...Floyd is no doubt a way better technician and boxer than RJJ...BUT...RJJ was just so different and uncanny that he was almost unbeatable in his prime and as he moved up in weight he still carried his knockout power with him.....so P4P...even though i love both fighters...i gotta nod with ROY....he was just something you wanted to watch because you knew he would put a show on and win...i watch Floyd just to see him win....but i still love how Floyd masterfully and tactfully beats his opposition because i respect boxing for boxing and not having to se a KO all the time...i think thats the difference between fans and people who follow and know boxing.

[igotJUIC3]

Mayrunner has to diss boxing legends to be talked about cause he sees that nobody gives a shit if hes retired.

i beg to differ many give a shit because they want to see him fight and possibly get beat by Hatton, Mosley, Cotto, Margo and whoever else...which is why they still call him out(hatto and Mosley).

[Axe]

While RJJ prolly was the better fighter in his prime, RJJ does not and did not have the basic boxing skills that PBF has....Those skills will help Floyd win when he is past his prime, you can still have your defensive and offensive skill through training, RJJ lost his speed then his technique was exposed

:nod

Floyd had the more complete skillset.

[Shake]

True. Floyd is defensively and technically a better fighter. I maintain that Roy Jones at 168 was more special and of a higher level than Floyd will ever come close to.

Wether, it's technically, mentally or physically doesn't matter in the end. What matters is what you bring into the ring.

Roberto Duran was at a physical disadvantage in so many fights reach-wise, and later on in the higher weights even speed and power-wise. He made up for it with sheer mental power, concentration, determination, and a disciplined and ring-savvy awareness that made up for everything else.


Roy Jones had his athleticism.

[SugarRay]

Guys like Ali and Roy did everything wrong by the books and yet beat everyone who did everything right. This is testament to their fighting savviness. There are no comparisons between Roy and Mayweather.

[bigtime9]

Guys like Ali and Roy did everything wrong by the books and yet beat everyone who did everything right. This is testament to their fighting savviness. There are no comparisons between Roy and Mayweather.


nd floyd has beaten everyone as well unless your implying his record of 38-0 is make-believe:lol:

[MSTR]

:nod

Floyd had the more complete skillset.
No f*cking way. Roy was one of the most technically and athletically gifted fighters ever. Just because he was unorthadox people fail to see how technical a fighter he was. The way he could switch stance mid combination, throw in 4 and 5 punch combinations from all different angles, change pace and distance on his shots to confuse his opponents. Roy could do things in the ring that no other fighter in history can do. Defensively Mayweather is better but even then only ever so slightly. Roy was an extremely gifted defensive fighter, he just places more emphasis on offense then Mayweather. I guarantee if you look at the stats Roy would have been hit far less then Mayweather per fight.

[MSTR]

nd floyd has beaten everyone as well unless your implying his record of 38-0 is make-believe:lol:
Well by that logic Valeuv should go down as one of the greatest Heavies of our generation then?

[HECDAWG]

mayweather is right he will never look as good as rjj did in his prime.

[bigtime9]

Well by that logic Valeuv should go down as one of the greatest Heavies of our generation then?

are you comparing floyd's career with valuev:lol: somebody needs to piss on you.

[Toopretty]

Put it like this the same clowns that are dissing Floyd are the same clowns that were dissing ROY in his prime. People that like and respect Roy are one in the same that like mayweather. Period. Only b/c Roy was not the asshole that mayweather is they choose the lesser of the 2 they see evils. I am 90% right on this. I never seen a thread ever on ESB were this many people are calling Roy an ATG...get the hell out of here. The same goofs said that mayweather is another Roy Jones cherry picker. Same breed of clown mutt. I mean, they are very different. Roy of course was more entertaining by far. But he was more entertaining then a lot of the ATG. Only ones that put on that kind of show was Ali, Tyson. I mean you did not care who Roy fought, you just wanted to see how he was going to knock the other guy out. A floyd hater is a roy hater in disguise. Period. Its like ABC. Roy was the best of his time, Floyd is the best of now. Roy had more power and put on more of a show. Floyd just took the science to another level and true boxing fans respect his ring intelligence and skill. It all balances out. Floyd would not fade past his prime b/c he does not rely on one or two things. But he is better off at 140 where he has a better punch.:readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre:

[SugarRay]

nd floyd has beaten everyone as well unless your implying his record of 38-0 is make-believe:lol:

No. I was implying that by-the-book-skills does not make you the best fighter. There are intangibles. Jones's style may not be the best technically but, it worked for him and it was highly effective. In his prime he dominated all his opponents including two greats in Hopkins and Toney. Mayweather didn't.

[SUNOF7]

jones was KO'd in succession, once by a fighter named Johnson who is a b- c+ talent at best... PBF is and has been far superior to Roy Jones who was on steroids... Roy has no infigting skills and reverts to clown and bafoon antics to make up for his degenerate skill.

[igotJUIC3]

jones was KO'd in succession, once by a fighter named Johnson who is a b- c+ talent at best... PBF is and has been far superior to Roy Jones who was on steroids... Roy has no infigting skills and reverts to clown and bafoon antics to make up for his degenerate skill.

good point see third Tarver fight as he was getting his ass handed to him..he some how mustards enough capacity to showboat and taunt while losing...go figure.:smoke

[the_what]

Mayweather isnt good enough to hold RJ's jockstrap. Roy Jones in his prime was Jesus with boxing gloves. Mayweather is Jesse Owens with boxing gloves.

[Mind Reader]

jones was KO'd in succession, once by a fighter named Johnson who is a b- c+ talent at best... PBF is and has been far superior to Roy Jones who was on steroids... Roy has no infigting skills and reverts to clown and bafoon antics to make up for his degenerate skill.


Since when are you guilty of steriod use untill proven innocent???:patsch

[kg0208]

Put it like this the same clowns that are dissing Floyd are the same clowns that were dissing ROY in his prime. People that like and respect Roy are one in the same that like mayweather. Period. Only b/c Roy was not the asshole that mayweather is they choose the lesser of the 2 they see evils. I am 90% right on this. I never seen a thread ever on ESB were this many people are calling Roy an ATG...get the hell out of here. The same goofs said that mayweather is another Roy Jones cherry picker. Same breed of clown mutt. I mean, they are very different. Roy of course was more entertaining by far. But he was more entertaining then a lot of the ATG. Only ones that put on that kind of show was Ali, Tyson. I mean you did not care who Roy fought, you just wanted to see how he was going to knock the other guy out. A floyd hater is a roy hater in disguise. Period. Its like ABC. Roy was the best of his time, Floyd is the best of now. Roy had more power and put on more of a show. Floyd just took the science to another level and true boxing fans respect his ring intelligence and skill. It all balances out. Floyd would not fade past his prime b/c he does not rely on one or two things. But he is better off at 140 where he has a better punch.:readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre: :readthre:

Then you only read what you choose to read. Have seen umpteen polls about Jones and he is ALWYS considered by a VAST majority of ESB to be an ATG, and by most to be the best fighter of his generation.

[Fab2333]

"Although Retired Floyd Mayweather still seems to have an opinion on everyone from Ricky Hatton to Roy Jones Junior, The current p4p King launched in to a scything attack on the Former p4p King, "Its like this Roy is 38 and he still thinks hes the best fighter in the world now im 30 and im retired i beat the best retired at the top of my game, Roy fell of in 2004 when Tarver koed him and up to then he beat up on police officers and dustbin men why does he think he can do anything now hes past it"

you have any links for what you posted, I dont believe Floyd said that. If you cant post it, then PM me the link

[Fab2333]

I'm sorry but PBF is a much better fighter than rjj.

Dogs I am a fan of both fighters.
But prime 4 prime. Floyd would get killed lol. watch RJ be4 his knockout losses. That man was superman in a boxing ring. He was evrything a fan could ask for. He wooped ass and looked good doing it. As much as i like floyd as a fighter. He will never be an "entertaining" as RJ was. Hell no1 was really prolly in boxing history. PBF is good, but against a prime RJ, I dont see FLoyd winning to be honest

[Biggame]

I tried to stay away from the steroids thing, and point out both fighters and what they brought to the table. I picked Floyd still. Now we have to admit that it(Steroids) definately played a part in RJJ's perfomances in his prime! All I'm gonna say is....Can you imagine Floyd on Steroids!!