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klion22
12-13-2007, 10:54 PM
What do you think? Vote on the poll.
cpnasty
12-13-2007, 11:01 PM
I guess you mean the rematch. Right?
rr94
12-13-2007, 11:02 PM
The fight was ready to go 2 years ago, but HBO dropped the fight and Hopkins faced Tarver. Hopkins has been demanding too much, it's been 2 years since RJJ agreed to a 50-50 split. And to the casual fan, RJJ is still the bigger name.
klion22
12-13-2007, 11:02 PM
I guess you mean the rematch. Right?

Yes.
cpnasty
12-13-2007, 11:05 PM
When the rematch could have happened, Hopkins wanted too much money.
Lampley
12-13-2007, 11:06 PM
Greed and ego. If Jones' offer of 60/40 was legitimate, then I blame Hopkins. He should have accepted that split to get Roy in the ring and gain his revenge. The worst part is that Jones was vulnerable around 2002/03, when the fight would have happened.

In the now-legendary interview, Hopkins said he wanted parity, which was foolish. You don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but I blame him if it was that clearcut. Bernard didn't deserve parity.
coronacards
12-13-2007, 11:55 PM
Greed and ego. If Jones' offer of 60/40 was legitimate, then I blame Hopkins. He should have accepted that split to get Roy in the ring and gain his revenge. The worst part is that Jones was vulnerable around 2002/03, when the fight would have happened.

In the now-legendary interview, Hopkins said he wanted parity, which was foolish. You don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but I blame him if it was that clearcut. Bernard didn't deserve parity.

Roy Jones "60/40 I kick yo ass, 60/40 you get yo ass kicked, 60/40 I kick yo ass, I'm the light heavyweight champ"

Bernard Hopkins "WHO I AM ROY? WHO I AM?"

That's pretty much it verbatim.
sues2nd
12-13-2007, 11:56 PM
Two incredibly large egos...neither of which would budge on anything.
GazOC
12-13-2007, 11:59 PM
I like Hopkins but 60/40 was a very good deal.
klion22
12-14-2007, 12:00 AM
Roy Jones "60/40 I kick yo ass, 60/40 you get yo ass kicked, 60/40 I kick yo ass, I'm the light heavyweight champ"

Bernard Hopkins "WHO I AM ROY? WHO I AM?"

That's pretty much it verbatim.

HA HA. Funny stuff.

He did say, "Who i am Roy?"
Scar
12-14-2007, 12:04 AM
Both wanted it but couldn't agree on a deal, clearly. I'm a huge fan of both but the truth is this, Roy DID deserve more than Hopkins, he was the undisputed champion at Light Middleweight and Hopkins was coming to him, also Roy ALREADY beat Hopkins before so he had nothing to gain here but A LOT to lose so why doesn't he deserve more?
coronacards
12-14-2007, 12:06 AM
HA HA. Funny stuff.

He did say, "Who i am Roy?"


YEP
coronacards
12-14-2007, 12:08 AM
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klion22
12-14-2007, 12:13 AM
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Yeah, i knew he said that. It's just so funny.
Fab2333
12-14-2007, 12:16 AM
Greed and ego. If Jones' offer of 60/40 was legitimate, then I blame Hopkins. He should have accepted that split to get Roy in the ring and gain his revenge. The worst part is that Jones was vulnerable around 2002/03, when the fight would have happened.

In the now-legendary interview, Hopkins said he wanted parity, which was foolish. You don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but I blame him if it was that clearcut. Bernard didn't deserve parity.:deal
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12-14-2007, 12:38 AM
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PATSYS
12-14-2007, 12:51 AM
What do you think? Vote on the poll.

I think it happened. :nut
Lampley
12-14-2007, 03:14 AM
Oh my god, I love that interview. I watch it about once a month.

"To me it sounds like a couple cats that don't know what the hayellllll they talkin' bout."
sugarngold
12-14-2007, 08:43 AM
Other. HBO messed up the deal when Hopkins and RJJ were undisputed champions. They were offered 10 million to split between the two of them. 5 million a piece sounds like a lot - but when you consider that RJJ made 10 million fighting Ruiz while Hopkins went on to make 10 million fighting Oscar De La Hoya - then you can begin to appreciate how criminally miniscule this offer from HBO truly was for the two undisputed champions.
bigtime-skills
12-14-2007, 08:58 AM
Other. HBO messed up the deal when Hopkins and RJJ were undisputed champions. They were offered 10 million to split between the two of them. 5 million a piece sounds like a lot - but when you consider that RJJ made 10 million fighting Ruiz while Hopkins went on to make 10 million fighting Oscar De La Hoya - then you can begin to appreciate how criminally miniscule this offer from HBO truly was for the two undisputed champions.

In retrospect you are absolutely right, but fundamentally even though Hopkins was on top of the world there would ALWAYS be 2 factors Roy could hang his hat on:
1. He ALREADY BEAT Hopkins; and
2. They would have been fighting for Roy's LHW belts, even though they were BOTH undisputed.
Sweet Jones
12-14-2007, 10:52 AM
Because Hopkins, in spite of all the crazy talk, didn't really want any part of RJJ again.

He demanded all kinds of deal breakers like an equal split and a catch weight (170 i believe), at a time when he had almost ZERO leverage (had already lost to RJJ, still wasn't really marketable, RJJ P4P status, etc.)

You'll note the minute RJJ was out of the LHW division, Hopkins EASILY carried that 175 against Tarver.

Point blank, Hopkins wasn't trying to see RJJ again.
Lampley
12-14-2007, 01:53 PM
Because Hopkins, in spite of all the crazy talk, didn't really want any part of RJJ again.

He demanded all kinds of deal breakers like an equal split and a catch weight (170 i believe), at a time when he had almost ZERO leverage (had already lost to RJJ, still wasn't really marketable, RJJ P4P status, etc.)

You'll note the minute RJJ was out of the LHW division, Hopkins EASILY carried that 175 against Tarver.

Point blank, Hopkins wasn't trying to see RJJ again.

I actually believe Hopkins wanted the fight, but he also knew it might be a cash-out situation. I don't think he fancied his chances.

At that point, he couldn't have known he'd ever get a fight against De La Hoya, which propelled him to new stardom. From his perspective, it's probably best that the Jones rematch never happened. Even if he'd won, he'd have had to gain and then lose weight to get back to 160, and who knows how that will affect an athlete in his late 30s.
HauntingTheHoly
12-14-2007, 02:08 PM
Other. HBO messed up the deal when Hopkins and RJJ were undisputed champions. They were offered 10 million to split between the two of them. 5 million a piece sounds like a lot - but when you consider that RJJ made 10 million fighting Ruiz while Hopkins went on to make 10 million fighting Oscar De La Hoya - then you can begin to appreciate how criminally miniscule this offer from HBO truly was for the two undisputed champions.

Are you sure about this? I remember Roy saying to the camera while next to Lampley "Hopkins, there is six million dollars on the table, if you don't take it, you're a punk!" In this case Roy would have to be getting 8+ right?