You know what pisses me off?

[Jack]

Whenever you read an interview with a boxer, promoter, trainer etc. talking about MMA, they always talk about it's strengths. They mention that the best fight the best, and fights always happen. Connected to that is the admission that boxing does not do that well.

However, these people are the ones who are causing the problems in boxing!

Roy Jones recently said that MMA is beating boxing because it puts the two best in the Octogon/ring/cage whatever. This is the man who spent his prime ducking the best fighters! He's a fucking hypocrit.

Frank ****** said the same thing as Jones did. He is the man solely responsible for Hatton/Witter (A while ago) and more recently, Enzo/Haye not happening. the fans want it, but that fuck doesn't because it means less millions in his bank account.

I can't remember all their names, sadly, but some US promoters are the same. That fucking cunt rips people off, causes fights not to happen, and then he prases the mentality of MMA promotions, and, again, the fact fights happen?

Floyd Mayeather is another. He ducked Hatton before, ducked Mararito, avoided Tszyu - Three fights everyone would have liked, or will like, to see. Why the fuck did he not fight them? money, and the fact he could have lost, or will lose, all three. Then he wants to talk about the integrity of MMA fighters and say boxing should be more like that? He is rejecting $10/15 MILLION DOLLARS to fight De La Hoya again, I'd say. Why? Because he canw in, again, and there is a huge amount of money in it. Do fans want to see it? Not really.

The only people who can change boxing for the better...don't. They realise what they are doing is wrong, and why do they do it? Money! Fuck them. They all need to realise the reason they are getting big money for fighting every 27 months is because of us fans.

It's absolutely bullshit. One day, I hope all promoters join a single promotion. Someone needs to offer these guys massive money, so they can finally get rid of the shit that is ruining boxing.

[PrideOfWales]

What's MMA? Is that like another WBO!? The last thing we need is more belts!

[BigReg]

Roy Jones recently said that MMA is beating boxing because it puts the two best in the Octogon/ring/cage whatever. This is the man who spent his prime ducking the best fighters! He's a fucking hypocrit.


Floyd Mayeather is another. He ducked Hatton before, ducked Mararito, avoided Tszyu - Three fights everyone would have liked, or will like, to see. Why the fuck did he not fight them? money, and the fact he could have lost, or will lose, all three. Then he wants to talk about the integrity of MMA fighters and say boxing should be more like that? He is rejecting $10/15 MILLION DOLLARS to fight De La Hoya again, I'd say. Why? Because he canw in, again, and there is a huge amount of money in it. Do fans want to see it? Not really.


I understand you're mad, but you can't start making shit up. Who did Roy duck? He fought Hopkins and Toney at 160 and fought pretty much every top fighter at 175 when he was in his prime there. Mayweather never ducked Hatton or Tszyu. Tyszyu lost to Hatton before Floyd could fight him and he tried to fight Hatton and Hatton admitted he wasn't ready for the fight. And where did you get that he turned 15 million dollars to fight DLH again? Floyd basically begged for a rematch and Oscar said he wan't interested. I bet you're an MMA fan who knows nothing about boxing, and is just here to start shit.

[Jack]

I understand you're mad, but you can't start making shit up. Who did Roy duck? He fought Hopkins and Toney at 160 and fought pretty much every top fighter at 175 when he was in his prime there.Come on, Michalczewski was by far the best opponent for Jones out there. Despite the division being pretty weak, he avoided the second best.

And I said "prime" Jones. i don't consider the one who fought Toney or Hopkins to be in his prime. I don't think any of the three were close to their primes actually.
Mayweather never ducked Hatton or Tszyu. Tyszyu lost to Hatton before Floyd could fight him and he tried to fight Hatton and Hatton admitted he wasn't ready for the fight. And where did you get that he turned 15 million dollars to fight DLH again? Floyd basically begged for a rematch and Oscar said he wan't interested.Yes he did avoid Tszyu. I didn't say "ducked" because he didn't. He did however, have a choice. To go for gold with or without Tszyu. Not exactly "ducking", btu he did NOT opt for the best opposition.

And Mayweather asked for $30 million dollars to fight Hatton in the UK post Hatton/Tszyu. That is as blatant as saying "Fuck off!".
I bet you're an MMA fan who knows nothing about boxing, and is just here to start shit.Judging from my posts and you not knowing who the fuck Michalczewski is, I don't think you're in any position to say I don't know boxing. I am an MMA fan, but I prefer boxing.

[Cookie]

I certainly don't remember Mayweather complimenting MMA. In fact I remember him saying the UFC "ain't shit" and that "anyone can put a tattoo on their head and get in a street fight". :lol:

[Ramshall1]

If all #1 p4p boxers had the courage of Shane, boxing would be in a much better position.

Youre right Jack, FMJ has done serious damage to the sport and he could care less.

[Jack]

I certainly don't remember Mayweather complimenting MMA. In fact I remember him saying the UFC "ain't shit" and that "anyone can put a tattoo on their head and get in a street fight". :lol:He did an interview after that, complementing the sport. I'm sure you'll find it on some of the bigger sports sites. BBC Sport or ESPN or something. He was actually pretty respectful towards it.

[markbrooklyn]

Whenever you read an interview with a boxer, promoter, trainer etc. talking about MMA, they always talk about it's strengths. They mention that the best fight the best, and fights always happen. Connected to that is the admission that boxing does not do that well.

However, these people are the ones who are causing the problems in boxing!

Roy Jones recently said that MMA is beating boxing because it puts the two best in the Octogon/ring/cage whatever. This is the man who spent his prime ducking the best fighters! He's a fucking hypocrit.

Frank ****** said the same thing as Jones did. He is the man solely responsible for Hatton/Witter (A while ago) and more recently, Enzo/Haye not happening. the fans want it, but that fuck doesn't because it means less millions in his bank account.

I can't remember all their names, sadly, but some US promoters are the same. That fucking cunt rips people off, causes fights not to happen, and then he prases the mentality of MMA promotions, and, again, the fact fights happen?

Floyd Mayeather is another. He ducked Hatton before, ducked Mararito, avoided Tszyu - Three fights everyone would have liked, or will like, to see. Why the fuck did he not fight them? money, and the fact he could have lost, or will lose, all three. Then he wants to talk about the integrity of MMA fighters and say boxing should be more like that? He is rejecting $10/15 MILLION DOLLARS to fight De La Hoya again, I'd say. Why? Because he canw in, again, and there is a huge amount of money in it. Do fans want to see it? Not really.

The only people who can change boxing for the better...don't. They realise what they are doing is wrong, and why do they do it? Money! Fuck them. They all need to realise the reason they are getting big money for fighting every 27 months is because of us fans.

It's absolutely bullshit. One day, I hope all promoters join a single promotion. Someone needs to offer these guys massive money, so they can finally get rid of the shit that is ruining boxing.

Dude where do you get your information from?? For one he NEVER ducked Hatton.. Hatton even said himself he wasnt ready. Hatton was the one avoiding him and his father said so too! And he never rejected no offer from Delahoya for a rematch... are you nuts?

[Ramshall1]

Dude where do you get your information from?? For one he NEVER ducked Hatton.. Hatton even said himself he wasnt ready. Hatton was the one avoiding him and his father said so too! And he never rejected no offer from Delahoya for a rematch... are you nuts?

Notice how you didnt dare to mention Margarito's name, cause he DID duck him.

[BigReg]

And I said "prime" Jones. i don't consider the one who fought Toney or Hopkins to be in his prime. I don't think any of the three were close to their primes actually.
Yes he did avoid Tszyu. I didn't say "ducked" because he didn't. He did however, have a choice. To go for gold with or without Tszyu. Not exactly "ducking", btu he did NOT opt for the best opposition.

And Mayweather asked for $30 million dollars to fight Hatton in the UK post Hatton/Tszyu. That is as blatant as saying "Fuck off!".
Judging from my posts and you not knowing who the fuck Michalczewski is, I don't think you're in any position to say I don't know boxing. I am an MMA fan, but I prefer boxing.

Toney was 44-0 and ranked by some no 2 p4p when he fought jones, how was he not in his prime? Furthermore if Roy wasn't in his prime as you claim and beat an undefeated no. 2 p4p guy then what does that say about Jones? Also I know exacly who Michalczewski is. I know he wanted more money than Jones and also wanted Jones to come to Germany to fight him. I also know Michalczewski lost to Gonzalez(a guy Roy handled easily). Even if you say he ducked Michalczewski, I said he fought pretty much every top LHW when he was in his prime(I did this on purpose because I knew someone would bring up Michalczewski) name another top LHW he didn't fight? Also, when the hell did Mayweather ask for $30 million to fight Hatton? I know Hatton asked for $13 million and said he wasn't ready for the fight.

[psychopath]

What's MMA? Is that like another WBO!? The last thing we need is more belts!

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Jack]

Dude where do you get your information from?? For one he NEVER ducked Hatton.. Hatton even said himself he wasnt ready. Hatton was the one avoiding him and his father said so too!He asked for $30 million to fight in the UK. The only place the fight could have made money. He purposely priced himself out.
And he never rejected no offer from Delahoya for a rematch... are you nuts?I didn't say he did.
Toney was 44-0 and ranked by some no 2 p4p when he fought jones, how was he not in his prime?i can see where you're coming from, but Toney himself would disagree. Despite his record saying so, he seems to think he reached his peak later in his career.
Furthermore if Roy wasn't in his prime as you claim and beat an undefeated no. 2 p4p guy then what does that say about Jones?That he's great? I'm not sure what you're getting at here, because I haven't once said he wasn't a special fighter.
Also I know exacly who Michalczewski is. I know he wanted more money than Jones and also wanted Jones to come to Germany to fight him. I also know Michalczewski lost to Gonzalez(a guy Roy handled easily). Even if you say he ducked Michalczewski, I said he fought pretty much every top LHW when he was in his prime(I did this on purpose because I knew someone would bring up Michalczewski) name another top LHW he didn't fight?I don't dispute that they were the top fights around, but they were shite. Who is the best fighter Jones fought at 175? And was he better than Michalczewsi? No.

Jones should have fought him. I doubt that Michalczewski wanted mroe money, but feel free to back that up.
Also, when the hell did Mayweather ask for $30 million to fight Hatton? I know Hatton asked for $13 million and said he wasn't ready for the fight.Go and read the BBC's website. Go back to right after the Gatti fight, and there is several news stories on the $30 million figure. I checked myself last week.

[ibragimovfan]

THEY DONT PUT THE BEST TOGETHER. they are like the wwe in that they promote people that will sell to the crowd. they hype the photogenic and those that draw a crowd. at least in the ufc. either that or they hype old guys up to the max to draw a buck on what they used to be. in no way are they "the best of the best" who fight inside the mma ring. mma is fucking gay. fuck em'

[cuchulain]

Come on, Michalczewski was by far the best opponent for Jones out there. Despite the division being pretty weak, he avoided the second best.




And Darius was as much or more responsible for the fight never happening as Roy was.

Sometimes fights just don't happen.

Lennox 'ducked' Byrd. He wasn't afraid of him. He would have destroyed him, but he just didn't think it would be an interesting fight.

[kg0208]

Jones-DM falls on both of their shoulders.

UNLESS, and I am unaware of this but that doesn't mean it's not true, DM asked for equal or more money than Jones like BigReg says. In that time frame, there were 2 fighters in the world who could ask for equal or more money to fight Jones than Jones would make, and one of those is debatable. Lennox Lewis and Trinidad if he had beaten Hopkins.

That's why I laugh when people say Jones ducked the Hopkins rematch in 01-02....Hopkins knew he couldn't get 50/50 with Jones. If DM asked for equal or more money than Jones AND asked him to come to Germany, which I know he did, then DM was pricing himself out.

[lenzo]

I agree with everything except the RJJ statement. Roy fought the best but denied the ridiculous offers. Roy beat Hopkins, Toney, Grant, Griffith, and many others, also Ruiz (a heavy). He went downhill trying to shave the excess weight which turned from muscle to fat after excessive partying. Success DOES have a price, but he's back (at least for another big payday with Tito)

[nezy37]

It doesn't mater who ducks who, the fact remains that more big fights between the best available fighters happens in MMA

[ozziebattler]

[quote=Jack]
i can see where you're coming from, but Toney himself would disagree. Despite his record saying so, he seems to think he reached his peak later in his career.

Toney wouldnt disagree.You are talking about a guy who believes from day one he is the best fighter in the world p4p.

The guy still thinks he is the best in the business.

Toney aint a modest guy like you are making out...

Jack you are making some huge statements on this thread that are sounding extremely ridiculous.

[madpup]

What pisses me off is moronic fans whose 'love' for boxing consists of accussing some fighters of ducking others.