To Those who say Mayweather did nothing at 140........

[PowerPuncher]

When Mayweather stepped into 140 the top 10 was:

1. Tyszu
2. Judah
3. Mitchell
4. Cotto
5. Harris
6. Mayweather
7. Hatton
8. Gatti
9. Witter
10. Corley

Mayweather beat everyone in the top 10 except Tyszu/Harris/Witter/Cotto. Thats 6 top 10 fighters

Hatton retired no1 Tyszu and beat Maussa who beat no5 Harris. Witter also beat Harris recently. So Mayweather is excused from fighting Tyszu and Harris because Hatton beat them both (sort of with Harris)

Witter is very good but lost to Judah so a fight was never going to happen unless Witter got a huge name. Mayweather is excused from fighting Witter because he beat Judah who beat Witter

Cotto would not fight Mayweather throughout 2005 when Mayweather wanted the fight. Arrum said 'Cottos not ready'. mayweather should fight Cotto BUT Cotto's team ducked Mayweather throughout 2005 when Mayweather wanted the fight

[196osh]

He beat Hatton and Judah at 147. So your point is null and void.

[PowerPuncher]

He beat Hatton and Judah at 147. So your point is null and void.

They were the best 140lbers in 2005, what does it matter what weight they fought at when Mayweather weighs less on fightnight than many lightweights????

Dumb fans make too much out of weight classes

[ChampionsForever]

He did about as much at 140 as DLH did at 160 :yep

[Benjiabc]

why are people still trying to discredit pbf. he has nothing more to prove!!!!

[196osh]

They were the best 140lbers in 2005, what does it matter what weight they fought at when Mayweather weighs less on fightnight than many lightweights????

Dumb fans make too much out of weight classes

Indeed they do. But you are trying to make arguments that do not work.

Floyd did not do alot at 140. It was not his fault also he would have most probably beaten everybody. But you are trying to spin his wins to make him look better at 140 that is just not the case.

[PowerPuncher]

Indeed they do. But you are trying to make arguments that do not work.

Floyd did not do alot at 140. It was not his fault also he would have most probably beaten everybody. But you are trying to spin his wins to make him look better at 140 that is just not the case.

1. Did the fights happen at 147 because Floyd was too big for 140 or so Floyd could win the Welterweight titles?
2. Was Floyd better at 147 than 140?
3. Does the accusation that Floyd ducked the best competition at 140 hold any water at all?
4. Isn't it an impressive achievement to clean out a top10 list like this baring in mind people were talking about this 140 list as being the best in boxing

[China_hand_Joe]

3. Mitchell

8. Gatti

9. Corely


They aren't top 10 LWW then, they are just famous names in America.

[196osh]

1. Did the fights happen at 147 because Floyd was too big for 140 or so Floyd could win the Welterweight titles?
2. Was Floyd better at 147 than 140?
3. Does the accusation that Floyd ducked the best competition at 140 hold any water at all?
4. Isn't it an impressive achievement to clean out a top10 list like this baring in mind people were talking about this 140 list as being the best in boxing

He did not beat the people at 140.
He could and would have beaten them if he fought them. But he just did not fight them at that weight. So it does not work.

Not Floyds fault, but it is just a fact. So no he did not "duck" anybody, though I dont like the word.

Not Floyds fault, but acheivements at 147 do not affect achivements at 140.

[PowerPuncher]

They aren't top 10 LWW then, they are just famous names in America.

Mitchell was considered top3 - he gave Tyszu a close encounter and beat Tackie, Phillips, Ndou. Definately a top contender

Gatti beat Dorin who was top3 at 135, he also beat Ward & Leija. Leija was considered top10 after beating Bodajo and causing Tyszu problems

Corley was a WBO titlist and took Judah to an SD

[China_hand_Joe]

Don't try and defend Gatti mate.

It is clear in hindsight (and fore-sight for Europeans) he was never top 10 at 140.

There were actually a load of yanks who though Gatti would KO Tszyu!.

[PowerPuncher]

He did not beat the people at 140.
He could and would have beaten them if he fought them. But he just did not fight them at that weight. So it does not work.

Not Floyds fault, but it is just a fact. So no he did not "duck" anybody, though I dont like the word.

Not Floyds fault, but acheivements at 147 do not affect achivements at 140.

The point is Mayweather is being degraded because these fights happened at 147 instead of 140 when weight class wouldnt make the slightest difference to the result

The Judah/Hatton/Mitchell wins at 147 are pretty underrated wins too given all those fighters achievements at 140 and Judahs achievements at 147.

[PowerPuncher]

Don't try and defend Gatti mate.

It is clear in hindsight he was never top 10 at 140.

Know your history young Calazage fan, gatti beat top contenders Pre-2005

Dorin - undefeated WBA and IBF unified champ at 135 (robbed in a draw against Spadafora)

Leija - beat top10 Bodajo making him top 10

Ward - tough hard hitting gatekeeper

Branco - was he Euro champ?

[196osh]

The point is Mayweather is being degraded because these fights happened at 147 instead of 140 when weight class wouldnt make the slightest difference to the result

The Judah/Hatton/Mitchell wins at 147 are pretty underrated wins too given all those fighters achievements at 140 and Judahs achievements at 147.

The fights did not happen at 140. Therefore you cannot use fights that happend at another weight class to credit Floyd with wins he does not have. It is just speculation.

[China_hand_Joe]

Know your history young Calazage fan, gatti beat top contenders Pre-2005

Dorin - undefeated WBA and IBF unified champ at 135 (robbed in a draw against Spadafora)

Leija - beat top10 Bodajo making him top 10

Ward - tough hard hitting gatekeeper

Branco - was he Euro champ?

I fail to see your point.

Gatti was ranked top 10 yes, but were there less than 10 fighter actually better than him at 140, no.

[DAGOBOY]

Floyd moved up because the fight with the two he wanted ricky and miguel could not happen so he moved to 147 so that he could fight judah who had vacated 140. there were no real worthy contenders other than judah ricky and cotto. the only one he knew he could get a fight with was judah so he moved up.

[thesandman]

He beat Hatton and Judah at 147. So your point is null and void.

So, in fact he beat 2 of the top 10.
One being Gatti, who was quite obviously shot by then.

Yep, impressive.



Dumb fans make too much out of weight classes


If you don't think weight classes make a difference, why do you think guys have catchweight fights?

Why couldn't Winky and Hopkins just have fought at 175 then. Or maybe weight does matter?

Or on that, do you think Winky Hopkins plays out EXACTLY the same at middle as at light heavy???

A few pounds can make a huge difference. Just ask Castillo.

[RealIzm]

why are people still trying to discredit pbf. he has nothing more to prove!!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: Your right clown..an old man, a lightweight, and a judah:happy :happy have fun on planet Gayweather:hi:

[pit]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Your right clown..an old man, a lightweight, and a judah:happy :happy have fun on planet Gayweather:hi:

What the fuck are you talking about !?!?:huh :patsch

[RealIzm]

What the fuck are you talking about !?!?:huh :patschI'll assume you can read so go look at the resume you idiot...fucking kids playing on the computer again:patsch

[scott is cool]

He did about as much at 140 as DLH did at 160 :yep

More like he did at 140 lbs, what Danny Williams did at 160 lbs. :yep

[Asterion]

They aren't top 10 LWW then, they are just famous names in America.

Mitchell was still ranked.

Gatti, at one point, was #1 contender.

Corley was 140 contender for a long time.

[KO Boxing]

Mayweather didn't have his best stint at 140, for sure.

He still ended up beating the best 140 pounder in the world though, no matter how what way anyone tries to spin it. Just like he beat the best 147 pounder in the world (before he became the #1 himself)

[renyo]

your right mayweather is the greatest of all time at ducking difficult matchups and making the media think he's the best

[pit]

I'll assume you can read so go look at the resume you idiot...fucking kids playing on the computer again:patsch

Then you ASSUME wrong , I take it you don't know what the fuck your taking about if did you would have done so by now.

[Orishaman]

When Mayweather stepped into 140 the top 10 was:

1. Tyszu
2. Judah
3. Mitchell
4. Cotto
5. Harris
6. Mayweather
7. Hatton
8. Gatti
9. Witter
10. Corley

Mayweather beat everyone in the top 10 except Tyszu/Harris/Witter/Cotto. Thats 6 top 10 fighters

Hatton retired no1 Tyszu and beat Maussa who beat no5 Harris. Witter also beat Harris recently. So Mayweather is excused from fighting Tyszu and Harris because Hatton beat them both (sort of with Harris)

Witter is very good but lost to Judah so a fight was never going to happen unless Witter got a huge name. Mayweather is excused from fighting Witter because he beat Judah who beat Witter

Cotto would not fight Mayweather throughout 2005 when Mayweather wanted the fight. Arrum said 'Cottos not ready'. mayweather should fight Cotto BUT Cotto's team ducked Mayweather throughout 2005 when Mayweather wanted the fight

Interesting enough, the ones that he didn;t fight were the class and the future of the division.....not surprizing...follwoing PBF plan..the route to succes is the road of least obstacles...which is fine ...but them don;t come a proclaim your self greatness...without TCB against the best....hell Casamayor still frustrated the way PBF flew the coup in the middle of the night...:rofl

[Quik]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Your right clown..an old man, a lightweight, and a judah:happy :happy have fun on planet Gayweather:hi:


Yea, and he had all the trouble in the world beating Judah

[Lance_Uppercut]

When Mayweather stepped into 140 the top 10 was:

1. Tyszu
2. Judah
3. Mitchell
4. Cotto
5. Harris
6. Mayweather
7. Hatton
8. Gatti
9. Witter
10. Corley

Mayweather beat everyone in the top 10 except Tyszu/Harris/Witter/Cotto. Thats 6 top 10 fighters

Hatton retired no1 Tyszu and beat Maussa who beat no5 Harris. Witter also beat Harris recently. So Mayweather is excused from fighting Tyszu and Harris because Hatton beat them both (sort of with Harris)

Witter is very good but lost to Judah so a fight was never going to happen unless Witter got a huge name. Mayweather is excused from fighting Witter because he beat Judah who beat Witter

Cotto would not fight Mayweather throughout 2005 when Mayweather wanted the fight. Arrum said 'Cottos not ready'. mayweather should fight Cotto BUT Cotto's team ducked Mayweather throughout 2005 when Mayweather wanted the fight

:huh

He fought Judah, Mitchell, and Hatton @ 147.

[Lance_Uppercut]

They were the best 140lbers in 2005, what does it matter what weight they fought at when Mayweather weighs less on fightnight than many lightweights????

Dumb fans make too much out of weight classes

:shock::shock:

:patsch

[Asterion]

Dumb fans make too much out of weight classes

Their thoughts are too rigid.

[PH|LLA]

Dumb fans make too much out of weight classes
Didn't you just make an entire thread about about a weightclass :rofl

:rofl :rofl

[Symphenyceo]

keep hugging of course the weight make a difference that's why he refused to fight hatton at jww he knew hatton didn't have any power at ww so made him step up he is not stupid like he's going to fight hatton at jww lmao :hi:


pbf isnt a natural ww either...dont you think if hatton couldnt hurt pbf at ww he wasnt going to hurt him at JWW??and if pbf had power to hurt him at ww dont you think pbf would have more power at jww

[bigtime9]

When Mayweather stepped into 140 the top 10 was:

1. Tyszu
2. Judah
3. Mitchell
4. Cotto
5. Harris
6. Mayweather
7. Hatton
8. Gatti
9. Witter
10. Corley

Mayweather beat everyone in the top 10 except Tyszu/Harris/Witter/Cotto. Thats 6 top 10 fighters

Hatton retired no1 Tyszu and beat Maussa who beat no5 Harris. Witter also beat Harris recently. So Mayweather is excused from fighting Tyszu and Harris because Hatton beat them both (sort of with Harris)

Witter is very good but lost to Judah so a fight was never going to happen unless Witter got a huge name. Mayweather is excused from fighting Witter because he beat Judah who beat Witter

Cotto would not fight Mayweather throughout 2005 when Mayweather wanted the fight. Arrum said 'Cottos not ready'. mayweather should fight Cotto BUT Cotto's team ducked Mayweather throughout 2005 when Mayweather wanted the fight


great post another hidden gem uncovered:thumbsup

[El Bombasto]

He beat Hatton and Judah at 147. So your point is null and void.

:yep

[El Bombasto]

great post another hidden gem uncovered:thumbsup

Mrs. Sinclair?

[Dostoevsky]

Huh........You can give PBF credit for his victorys over his opponents but please...don't lie and fabricate shit just to make it sound more impressive than it already is.
Floyd has had an impressive career as it is without exaggerations.

Floyd really did nothing at 140, to say he did would be wishful thinking.