Is it possible that Calzaghe is overhyped because BOTH Lacy and Kessler were?

[heidegger]

Im not saying this is definitely so, just a possibility.

Calzaghe was considered nothing before he fought and whipped Lacy. Then hebeat Kessler and, seemingly, these two wins have boosted him from padded eurobum (or Britbum :p) to p4p top 5. A couple of high profile wins and an undefeated record can do that.

However, Lacy its turned out, is utterly shit. I dont think anyone who saw Lacy-Manfredo can doubt that.

Kessler, was to be the man to make Joe prove himself. He was himself undefeated and won a lot of fights by KO. But against who? Marcus Beyer? Siaca? Anthony Mundine? Hmmm. Wow.

Perhaps beating Mikkel Kessler is not the feat its cracked up to be.
Beating Lacy certainly wasnt. If that be the case, beware of Hopkins.

P.S. Calzaaghe nuthuggers (I know im posting at the time of night where Im bound to run into you), please dont take this as calzaghe bashing. I think that Calzaghe is possibly an ATG. Im looking forward to his next fights to see what finalises about his career.

[jecxbox]

Why continue to pick apart the career of professional boxers? In the end does it really even mean anything? Calzaghe has never lost a fight in his ridiculously long career, and hes only lost a hand full of ROUNDS on top of that. Don't crucify a man for fighting in a division that lacks superstar talent, all Calzaghe is doing is milking the 168lb division for as long as he wants. And then hes going to retire with a smile on his face. And thats how the story of Joe Calzaghe will go.

[heidegger]

Why continue to pick apart the career of professional boxers? In the end does it really even mean anything? Calzaghe has never lost a fight in his ridiculously long career, and hes only lost a hand full of ROUNDS on top of that. Don't crucify a man for fighting in a division that lacks superstar talent, all Calzaghe is doing is milking the 168lb division for as long as he wants. And then hes going to retire with a smile on his face. And thats how the story of Joe Calzaghe will go.

Whos 'crucifying'?

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe has outclassed all.

It would be a huge conincidence if somehow everyone he fought was rubbish.

The is a 0.0376% chance Joe Calzaghe isn't the best boxer of all time.

[MancMexican]

Overhyped? WTF? The guy's been around for a decade and has only been noticed in the last couple of years.

[Weber]

Unifying is a division is quite an admirable feat. He might be hyped up, but we are not going to know if he does not get beaten, which seems unlikely to happen. As far as I can tell, he is clearly the best in the 160-175 divisions.

[Haye]

Lacy is shit now and may never become good again, but he was steamrolling good fighters before he fought Calzaghe. Calzaghe ruined Lacy, he was not shit all along. Also Kessler was a proven A grade fighter, he hammered Mundine and Beyer, showing great power and skills in doing so, and I have no doubt he will have a great career ahead of him that will prove how good a win he was for Calzaghe.

[ChampionsForever]

Kessler and Lacy were both top contenders in the SMW division, and Lacy only looks shit now because Joe brutalised the guy, watch Kessler from now on, he will go on and be a champion again then come back a and tell me the loss to Calzaghe was nothing.

[PATSYS]

It is possible, but I don't think that Kessler was overrated. Lacy was overrated (because of his exposure in the US and his muscular Tysonisque physique but to dominate him the way JC did was a great feat.

[headhunter]

Was Lacy overrated or has Joe destroyed him as a fighter?Calzaghe is in a catch 22 whoever he faces some people will say they were ,old,overrated,to small or just bums in the first place.He can't win in some peoples eyes and if someone does beat him,they will say hes been exposed as a bum.

[LeedsLad]

Pemberton and Reid were both Manfredo level when Lacy fought them and Lacy absolutely dominated both of them, i think its fairly obvious Lacy isnt the fighter he was pre-Calzaghe, i do think he was over-hyped slightly though. Nevetheless, Lacy was a top 3 SMW at the time along with Kessler and Calzaghe. Watch Kessler fight, does he honestly look overrated? Dawson is the only other man between 160-175 that would beat Kessler IMO.

[jecxbox]

when a fighter outclasses every opponent that hes faced your always going to get the "overrated shit"....It's annoying to tell you the truth. Calzaghe dominates all. He doesn't just win, he wins every round every fight is a clinic.

[jecxbox]

What I'd like to know is why Bernard the Cream of Wheat Man has been hiding in the Women's Restrooms around the country, from the other 175 title holders? Hmmmm.

lmfaooooo

Thats cus he beat Antonio Tarver and thats the last 175lb fighter he ever wants to fight.

[Imperial1]

We can pick aprt both fighters resumes ! What diffrence does it make when they meet ?

[heidegger]

We can pick aprt both fighters resumes ! What diffrence does it make when they meet ?

It makes none. But if Joe's entry into the United States doesnt bring him results, watch the excuses fly.

[Imperial1]

It makes none. But if Joe's entry into the United States doesnt bring him results, watch the excuses fly.

Of course it will I like Calzaghe I was a critic at first but his fights with Lacy and Kessler really proved that he was the real deal ..

[IronFists]

he is not overhyped.
But Hopkins can make him look that way.

[Speak.King]

Not knocking Joe at all, I think he's great. But is that division really that good or deep, ALA Roy Jones getting away with it for years.

[PH|LLA]

another hater with another dumb thread

[maciek4]

Calzghe destroed LAcy and Tsypko finished him off for good.

[heidegger]

another hater with another dumb thread

:roll:

Did you notice me say this?


I think that Calzaghe is possibly an ATG. Im looking forward to his next fights to see what finalises about his career.


Does that sound like the language of a hater? Are you a mindless buffoon? Certainly appears that way.

[safe_pa]

Lacy I agree with sadly, but why is Kessler overhyped? Because he's lost 1 fight to the no.1 guy in the SMW division?

[C HOP]

Calzaghe Is an awesome boxer (MY FAV) but what all of us seem to realise is that so is Hopkins and hopkins is really smart technical boxer alegend of the game, so dont underestimate Hopkins could be a big understatement n by the way Calzaghe is a tremendous boxer with skill and speed and

THIS WILL BE A FIGHT OF TRUE GREATS!:bbb


AND HELL NO SORT YA HEAD OUT CALZAGHE IS OVERRATED IS TOTALLY CRAZY THING TO SAY!

[Dorfmeister]

Perhaps beating Mikkel Kessler is not the feat its cracked up to be.
Beating Lacy certainly wasnt. If that be the case, beware of Hopkins.


Surely beating Mikkel Kessler is the feat it's cracked up to be. Beating Lacy that way certainly was. If that's the case or ain't exactly like that, beware of Hopkins all the same.

Hopkins vs Calzaghe is being overhyped by BOTH Calzaghe and Hopkins in their last fights and in the Hatton-Mayweather weigh-in and that may spoil it. Badly well kept secrets always produce counteractive results.

[bizzer07]

anybody who still thinks calzaghe is overhyped STILL must be a dickhead! Kessler was never overhyped, if anything he was underated for so long!!

[heidegger]

anybody who still thinks calzaghe is overhyped STILL must be a dickhead! Kessler was never overhyped, if anything he was underated for so long!!

^Closed-minded Calzaghe nuthugger - a common species around here.

[scott is cool]

Joe Calzaghe keeps beating the best he can fight, then after he beats them they where over-rated or past their best. He has beat Eubank, Reid, Lacy and Kessler, all top fighters when he beat them. IMO, Kessler is a very under-rated fighter, he will go on to dominate the division when Calzaghe retires.
Joe, has unified the divison, how can he be over-rated?

[bizzer07]

^Closed-minded Calzaghe nuthugger - a common species around here.

you dont know what your talking about mate, you can't have watched any boxing in your life if you STILL think Calzaghe is overated, you suck!!

[FRKO]

I always have the same answer for these threads: It's funny how Floyd Mayweather, the P4P KIng, can say "Joe Calzaghe is one of the greatest fighters I have ever seen" and a load of blokes on a forum can say he's over-rated.

Who's opinion do you trust? Who has more insight? Who's opinion will be more respected?

The best thing to do is ignore these guys. "Thicker than two short planks" is one way of summing them up. Ignore.

[scott is cool]

Calzaghe is #2 P4P, and not far behind PBF, IMO.

[FRKO]

I agree with you.

[Rock0052]

What I'd like to know is why Bernard the Cream of Wheat Man has been hiding in the Women's Restrooms around the country, from the other 175 title holders? Hmmmm.

:rofl:lol::lol:

[sthomas]

Calzaghe's about as overrated as PBF, and in my book PBF is #1, Clalz #2 PFP. Must admit though, I'm not a big fan of P4P ratings

[English Nutter]

Of course it will I like Calzaghe I was a critic at first but his fights with Lacy and Kessler really proved that he was the real deal ..Well said mate,he hasn't always picked the 'right fight',but to say everyone he's thought are bum's is absolout shite.
Eubank,Mitchell,Brewer Woodhall are not shit boxers,some pst there best but who care's,he's beaten Lacy and Kessler now so all you muppets should now shut up.:good

It's funny how Kessler's suddenly a hype job as well now:happy

[sugarngold]

No. Calzaghe is not overrated.

Calzaghe put on masterclass performances against both Lacy and Kessler. Both fighters were picked by a majority of boxing writers to upset Calzaghe. Calzaghe's talent is self-evident. Calzaghe is a master boxer and and a rare champion among men. I am so glad we will finally see him match up against Bernard Hopkins. As with his previous opponents - a match with Hopkins should bring out the best in Calzaghe. However - success is not guaranteed. Hopkins is as crafty and sly as any champion in recent years. He will not go away quietly.

[heidegger]

Its quite amusing how sensitive people around here are about Joe almighty I was only being speculative. Yet you people act like like calzaghe's beyond doubt. Im not suggesting that Calzaghe is not a great fighter. He might well be. But he wouldnt be the first fighter to build up a huge record in Europe/Britain and them leave only to lose. I just have this doubt in the back of my mind that he is going to go over to America and get broken apart against Hopkins, and people are gonna say 'well yeah, it was obvious, who had he beat'. I guess we will see. ;)

[ralphc]

Im not saying this is definitely so, just a possibility.

Calzaghe was considered nothing before he fought and whipped Lacy. Then hebeat Kessler and, seemingly, these two wins have boosted him from padded eurobum (or Britbum :p) to p4p top 5. A couple of high profile wins and an undefeated record can do that.

However, Lacy its turned out, is utterly shit. I dont think anyone who saw Lacy-Manfredo can doubt that.

Kessler, was to be the man to make Joe prove himself. He was himself undefeated and won a lot of fights by KO. But against who? Marcus Beyer? Siaca? Anthony Mundine? Hmmm. Wow.

Perhaps beating Mikkel Kessler is not the feat its cracked up to be.
Beating Lacy certainly wasnt. If that be the case, beware of Hopkins.

P.S. Calzaaghe nuthuggers (I know im posting at the time of night where Im bound to run into you), please dont take this as calzaghe bashing. I think that Calzaghe is possibly an ATG. Im looking forward to his next fights to see what finalises about his career.




Is it possible that Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier and Gerorge Foreman were over hyped because their opponents were? :huh

[China_hand_Joe]

People should bare in mind the feeds of the Lacy and Kessler fights which were broadcast in the USA were actually slowed down, that is they were shown in slow motion at 75-85% speed.

This was to make Calzaghe appear less blindingly fast than he actually is and to protect the repuation of American promoted cash-cows.

[heidegger]

I always have the same answer for these threads: It's funny how Floyd Mayweather, the P4P KIng, can say "Joe Calzaghe is one of the greatest fighters I have ever seen" and a load of blokes on a forum can say he's over-rated.

Who's opinion do you trust? Who has more insight? Who's opinion will be more respected?

The best thing to do is ignore these guys. "Thicker than two short planks" is one way of summing them up. Ignore.

This is an assinine chain of reasoning; as though a comment that Floyd once uttered is ipso facto sacrosanct because its Floyd. Floyd is the pound for pound #1 boxer, not p4p intellectual, nor p4p boxing analyst. DLH and Bernard Hopkins though Ricky Hatton was going to beat Floyd. A fighters opinion is just as subjective as anyone elses. Im sorry you cant think for yourself an take recourse in other peoples opinions. :roll:

[heidegger]

Is it possible that Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier and Gerorge Foreman were over hyped because their opponents were? :huh

Well questions can always be asked, but I would those guys, Ali in particular, did enough to prove themself. But yeahs some people do think that Ali is overathed. But that has more to do with being rated so exteemely high than to do with questions about whether he is a great boxer or not.