julio cesar chavez or miguel cotto who is the all around better fighter?

[Relentless]

i say cotto, everything chavez did cotto does better except that chavez's chin was better.

[Cadillac Man]

I like Cotto but JC Chavez would give him a beating and like u said the most problem would be the chin and Cotto leaves himself open way too much JC would take advantage of that and drop Cotto rather easily

[Slicknick56]

funny cause i was watching chavez on youtube and him in Cotto fight alot alike. Id say Chavez is all around better only because like you already said, they have the same skills but chavez had a better chin apaprently.

[HolyCityBully]

More well rounded I would say Cotto. But that doesnt mean Cotto will end up being the better fighter, just that he looks more well rounded to me.

[EpsilonAxis]

Don't sell Chavez short...he was a master at picking punches and landing anything he wanted on you. He's also one of the best infighters ive ever seen.

[Jason997]

Chavez was more of a finesse pressue fighter who picked his spots for maximum damage and pain. Cotto is developing into a good boxer, but he relies more on physical strength. Obviously Chavez is better all around fighter.

[Zakman]

Chavez, and it's not even CLOSE! :-(

[brooklyn1550]

Julio Cesar Chavez is the better all around fighter

[sthomas]

Chavez in my book. What he did to a dangerous Rosario, taking down a building 1 brick @ a time was one I'll never forget.

[psychopath]

Though they fought in similar styles, JCC is better all around fighter.

[Pat_Lowe]

Chavez's punches were more compact and as somebody mentioned he was better at picking his punches. His chin is infinently better. His defence and head movement was also superior

[stuistylee]

Chavez, and it's not even CLOSE! :-(bang on mate...chavez is in a diffrent league

[rekcutnevets]

I can kind of see why you made this thread. Cotto is a better athlete when it comes to what most define as athleticism. Chavez is better at what most define as being a fighter.

[Larson]

Chavez hands down, intelligent pressure, diamond chin, everything better

[Symphenyceo]

Chavez, and it's not even CLOSE! :-(

:good

[eltorrente]

I can see some similarities in the two, but Cotto would need to put together a streak of big wins and continue to improve before he can be compared to Chavez. Chavez was such a great fighter and was more skilled all-around.

[KO Boxing]

:lol:

[Ring Master]

Chavez hands down, intelligent pressure, diamond chin, everything better:good

[KO Boxing]

And all this coming from the guy who loves the term "Floyd boys"... Very, extremely bias for Cotto, this thread topic is.

[rekcutnevets]

Do you mean that making a thead about a fighter is biased?

[KO Boxing]

Do you mean that making a thead about a fighter is biased?
Saying Cotto is a better all round fighter than Julio Caesar Chavez is!

He classes me as a Floyd boy, but I don't reckon none of my replies or threads about Floyd stoop that low.

COMPARE the two. Don't say "who is the better all round fighter"
;)

[rekcutnevets]

I still don't get it. How is making a thread about someone being biased?

How does Ray Leonard's resume stack up against Ray Robinson's? Oh no. Am I being biased? But against whom? Ray, or Ray?

Mike Tyson hits harder than Michael Dokes. Am I being biased?

I think the op has confused athleticism with fighterism, as I previously posted. That does not mean I think the op is biased for asking a question.

[KO Boxing]

I still don't get it. How is making a thread about someone being biased?

How does Ray Leonard's resume stack up against Ray Robinson's? Oh no. Am I being biased? But against whom? Ray, or Ray?

Mike Tyson hits harder than Michael Dokes. Am I being biased?

I think the op has confused athleticism with fighterism, as I previously posted. That does not mean I think the op is biased for asking a question.
I think you may have mis-read my intention/read too much into it. Its simply semi an attack on Relentless as his favourite word is "Floyd boys"... when he is clearly a bigger "Cotto boy" than any of the Floyd boys around here (based only on my observations).

I mean, doesn't comparing Cotto to Chavez prove the above?

:D

[PH|LLA]

Chavez and its easy.

[zippy]

It's hard for me to believe anyone out there really believes Cotto is better. He's a damn fine fighter, but in Chavez we're talking ATG. He's just on another level.

[brooklyn1550]

I think Chavez holds the edge in inside fighting, speed, head movement, defense, faster overall combinations, shorter shots, intelligence, and counter punching. Chavez was more methodical and busier. I wouldn't consider this a factor of overall talent, but Chavez had a better chin.

Cotto is similar to Chavez, but they are different fighters. Cotto is very intelligent too, but it not the inside fighter Chavez was. Cotto is a great body puncher, but probably a little below the level of Chavez. The things Cotto has the edge on is physical strength, punching power, and I think his jab is better. Cotto is methodical, but when he is pressuring, I don't think he is quite as technical. He doesn't move his head as much and seems to be more of a bull.

Those who side with Cotto may bring up his versatility, and by all means, he is very versatile. But people forget that Chavez wasn't some plodding, one-dimensional pressure fighter like Baldomir. He could box and brawl too.
Time will tell whether or not he is actually superior, but as it stands now, I have no problem going with JCC.

If they fought at 140, I would pick Chavez by KO. If they fought at 147, I'd go with Cotto.

[gr8fight]

Chavez head movement was much better, he put more punches together, was more durable......

[Jason997]

"I think Chavez holds the edge in inside fighting, speed, head movement, defense, faster overall combinations, shorter shots, intelligence, and counter punching. Chavez was more methodical and busier. I wouldn't consider this a factor of overall talent, but Chavez had a better chin.

Cotto is similar to Chavez, but they are different fighters. Cotto is very intelligent too, but it not the inside fighter Chavez was. Cotto is a great body puncher, but probably a little below the level of Chavez. The things Cotto has the edge on is physical strength, punching power, and I think his jab is better. Cotto is methodical, but when he is pressuring, I don't think he is quite as technical. He doesn't move his head as much and seems to be more of a bull.

Those who side with Cotto may bring up his versatility, and by all means, he is very versatile. But people forget that Chavez wasn't some plodding, one-dimensional pressure fighter like Baldomir. He could box and brawl too.
Time will tell whether or not he is actually superior, but as it stands now, I have no problem going with JCC.

If they fought at 140, I would pick Chavez by KO. If they fought at 147, I'd go with Cotto."

Great breakdown. The 147 lb Chavez is clearly not an ideal Chavez, and a fight at this weight would leave him open for a loss to the current version of Cotto (which is an extremely strong fighter). Of course there is no question who is the better fighter. "Floyd or Chavez" is a much more interesting question at this point.

- Jason

[sugarngold]

Chavez. By a landslide.

[4Rounder]

JCC Superstar.

[joito3]

if they fought each other i'd go with cotto by a beatdown

[196osh]

if they fought each other i'd go with cotto by a beatdown

Yeah man me to I mean Julio is like 55 years old somewhat past his prime.

Cotto only has advantages in power and has perhaps a better jab.

[Rise Above]

Chavez is easily the better all round fighter.

[Relentless]

If you even have to ask that question gives the perception that you know zilch about boxing and should be banned from watching boxing. As if the Lion of Culiacan would have been put on Queer Street by a DeMarcus Corley. Sheesh!!

i dont like to keep repeating this but......


the cheese in my foreskin knows more about boxing than you and your father ever will know, COMBINED.

[enquirer]

Lame retort and lame thread.
These days kids think beating a few decent fighters and one great one makes that boxer an atg....History is replete with examples of guys with skills and who beat very good fighters but were not even remotely as good as JCC....
Man after buster douglas beat tyson i bet these kind of posters would compare douglas with 67 ali...:tired

[Relentless]

Lame retort and lame thread.
These days kids think beating a few decent fighters and one great one makes that boxer an atg....History is replete with examples of guys with skills and who beat very good fighters but were not even remotely as good as JCC....
Man after buster douglas beat tyson i bet these kind of posters would compare douglas with 67 ali...:tired

why is it when a fighter retires he is considered a god in his prime?

and no, no one said cotto is an atg.

kid just stay out of my thread, you dont want me to get nasty with you, trust me.

[enquirer]

:lol: Another internet hardman hey!
You claimed cotto was better all round than chavez didnt you? Doesnt that make cotto an atg,coz chavez sure as hell is one...
And jc chavez was considered an atg within his prime at 140,not when he retired...
I laugh when you say why are fighters considered gods in their prime after they have retired,well the current fanboy pbf/cotto trend is to consider fighters gods before they have retired and before they have even achieved anything,i know which method is more logical. Rate boxers on what they achieve,not your man crush/love of them...
And,why should i trust you,from reading your threads and posts you cant even comprehend english pro-bee...:hi:

[Haye]

Give me a break unrelentless, Chavez is better at just about everything. Better body puncher, tougher and defo a harder hitter.

[r_9-Ronaldo]

lol funny thread

[mexican legend]

Chavez easily, unfair comparison imo.

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[Dostoevsky]

I think Cotto is the more versatile.

[mexican legend]

Fuck, my bad on all the extra posts.

[elgrancampeon]

Chavez, and it's not even CLOSE! :-(

Yup:good:good

[Sweet Pea]

Chavez. Not comparable.

[LOS]

Yup:good:good++

yEAH jcc Is a better all around fighter than Cotto is at this point but they are very ,very similar in styles and like someone said earlier @ 140lbs i would pick JCC but oddly enough at 147lbs i would have to go with Cotto in a slugfest.

BTW G-damn your ava of JCC throwing that left hook is VERY reminisent of Cotto's~

[MexChamps]

Chavez is more all around skilled then Wilfredo Gomez Cotto isnt in the argument

[freddy-wak]

Chavez...

[chino2dapiapimp]

Chavez hands down. The man was a much more accurate puncher who didn't waste punches. HIs straight right was much more effective than Cottos right. if anything Cottos left hook to the head is better than jc hook to the head. Chavez was busier yet not as vulnerable as other fighters would be if they were to be as busy as Chavez. Chavez Conditioning was also way better than cotto's . Chavez could box but chose not to. Even Emanuel Stewart said Chavez had great boxing skill but he just never chose to box as much as american boxing fans would have liked.

[Tuavale]

julio cesar chavez or miguel cotto who is the all around better fighter?

I don't know but with each man at their best at 140, I strongly believe Chavez would win by KO. Simply too tough.:smoke :smoke

Chavez, with over 100 fights, was well past it as a welter.

[chino2dapiapimp]

:lol: Another internet hardman hey!
You claimed cotto was better all round than chavez didnt you? Doesnt that make cotto an atg,coz chavez sure as hell is one...
And jc chavez was considered an atg within his prime at 140,not when he retired...
I laugh when you say why are fighters considered gods in their prime after they have retired,well the current fanboy pbf/cotto trend is to consider fighters gods before they have retired and before they have even achieved anything,i know which method is more logical. Rate boxers on what they achieve,not your man crush/love of them...
And,why should i trust you,from reading your threads and posts you cant even comprehend english pro-bee...:hi:

I've saw a fight of Chavez vs Ruben Castillo( who is the 80's version of oba CArr is the sense that they would have won titles if it werent for ATG of their era.) During that fight Chavez was already being considered an ATG fighter, and this is at 130!!

[Asterion]

Cotto is more complete.

But Chavez is better.

[roly]

i dont like to keep repeating this but......


the cheese in my foreskin knows more about boxing than you and your father ever will know, COMBINED.

and your boyfriend told me that's a lot of cheese

[Boom_Boom]

cotto and its not even close

[anarci]

Chavez eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasy not even on the same level ^ that guy is stupid hes a pactard!

[Addie]

Cotto is more complete.

But Chavez is better.


Dude, you just can't be serious? How in god's name is Cotto more complete? The only two things Cotto has on Chavez is maybe one punch power and hand speed, and he was the naturally bigger guy. Other than that, Chavez has better footwork, better combinations, better punch resistance, better stamina, and was better defensively when he utilized head movement as evidence by my signature.

Chavez was more complete, Chavez was better...it's not even remotely close.

[tepaltzin]

cotto and its not even close

You had to dig a 2 year old thread to make you feel better about the stupid comment you made......
.........................................................Pathetic:lol:

[4Rounder]

cotto and its not even close

Pathetic loser pactard. :-(

[anarci]

Dude, you just can't be serious? How in god's name is Cotto more complete? The only two things Cotto has on Chavez is maybe one punch power and hand speed, and he was the naturally bigger guy. Other than that, Chavez has better footwork, better combinations, better punch resistance, better stamina, and was better defensively when he utilized head movement as evidence by my signature.

Chavez was more complete, Chavez was better...it's not even remotely close. Addie even the ones you did give to Cotto im kind of disagree One punch power pretty even IMO. A prime Chavez hand speed pretty close. So really Chavez has pretty much got him in every category. At worst even on those 2.

[Addie]

Addie even the ones you did give to Cotto im kind of disagree One punch power pretty even IMO. A prime Chavez hand speed pretty close. So really Chavez has pretty much got him in every category. At worst even on those 2.

Yup, I was being generous to Cotto. The overriding point remains the same, Cotto gets fuckin' destroyed at 140lbs. DESTROYED! It'd be a brutal beating over a sustained period of time.

[anarci]

First 6 rounds would be close and competetive, C.havez begins to take it to him after those rounds by the 8 th he is dominating and picking Cotto apart also dropping him around that time Chavez finishes him by tko 9 or 10