which fighters physique or build would you want?

[Relentless]

the picture of cotto in my avatar, he looks like a tank there, i wouldn't mind looking like that.

margarito aint bad either, big and tall.

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and ofcourse shane mosley good solid build with a good reach

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[fernando4cv3]

Hagler. He was a beast. Conditioning at its best and it really showed

[buddynabuick]

the picture of cotto in my avatar, he looks like a tank there, i wouldn't mind looking like that.

margarito aint bad either, big and tall.

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and ofcourse shane mosley good solid build with a good reach

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Bob Foster

[lefthook]

Rjj

[jimmie]

I try for the Mosley physique you look at him at Welterweight and hes pretty lean and thats why I try for I got nice sized arms like him length wise.

[heerko koois]

butterbean.....

[Pugsley]

RJJ definitely. But I dont think I'm born with his proportions.
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[RDJ]

RJJ, definitely.

[Pugsley]

Notice how Hatton looks four sizes different when he's relaxed compared to when he's thrashing someone apart. Hatton has quite a scary build, he'd be a field day for people studying anatomy.

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[Lostmykeys]

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[Relentless]

way too muscular for my liking, lacy says he doesn't lift weights, how the hell did he get so big?

[Relentless]

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emile griffith was pretty insane, 44 inch shoulders and 28 waist.

[younghypnotiq]

relentless or evander

[amy]

I don't really care as long as I'm strong and in shape.

[McGrain]

This guy

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[boxexpert]

firat arslan,

that guy is a monster

[brooklyn1550]

Evander Holyfield

[cardstars]

Hagler by a landslide for me

[isaac11]

oh yeah..

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[Box-on]

616

[isaac11]

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emile griffith was pretty insane, 44 inch shoulders and 28 waist.

yeah that guy has a very nice physique

[avk47]

Something like Wlad with more powerful legs and a good chin. Big and tall.

[magik10]

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[Lostmykeys]

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I wouldn't want to be like Tyson. I couldn't play basketball, or most other sports. He's too stubby.

[aramini]

I like the extremely low body fat look coupled with not too large muscles, so I'd have to say Pac or Bruce Lee or even Hagler, though he is getting big there. Lovemore Ndou has a fine build with extreme definition and nice shape.

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I couldn't find a pic of Ndou really flexed.
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Of course, you know I like my build quite a bit too.

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[boxing_nerd_101]

tall with a long arm but not lanky. still gotta have strenght. i recon its best to have the long lean muscles n not the short stocky ones. ideal is a hitman herns build. Thats my opinion anyway

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[boxing_nerd_101]

how do u put pics on this?

[boxing_nerd_101]

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[Relentless]

lovemore n'dou looked pretty lean in the malignaggi fight, hearns is abit too skinny, i wouldn't mind looking like oscar de la hoa here:

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[haggler2167]

an i wanna look like ur mum

[Relentless]

an i wanna look like ur mum

:lol:

[skipdog]

Mosley, Hatton, or Holyfield...

[Smith]

Pretty happy with my physique, but considering my weight class i'd go with someone of similar weight, so [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Relentless]

he has weird abs and big arms

[Smith]

he has weird abs and big arms

Nah, Jeans physique is perfect imo. Obviously each to ones own, but i cant hanlde having no mass n the upper arms or shit. I think he's not too ripped while having a good size, where im hoping to be soon.

[Smith]

Relentless, i think Margas far too skinny, but i agree with your Mosley choice, id choose his physique if i were his height. Whats your height anyhow man?

[Relentless]

5'6

[Bigcat]

Michael Grant has one of the better physiques i ever saw for a heavyweight..

Smooth looking, ripped yet not rediculous..........

[magnificentdave]

this thread should be renamed "Which boxer do you have a man crush on?"

[Relentless]

this thread should be renamed "Which boxer do you have a man crush on?"

unlike you we can talk about other mens physiques without getting a boner.

if you think this is gay then thats your problem not ours.

[Smith]

this thread should be renamed "Which boxer do you have a man crush on?"

Not very secure about yourself are you mate?:tired

[skipdog]

way too muscular for my liking, lacy says he doesn't lift weights, how the hell did he get so big?

Ask Bonds....

[Vantage_West]

way too muscular for my liking, lacy says he doesn't lift weights, how the hell did he get so big?lacy's pedigree his dad was a 5'10 heavywieght in the 70's

[Vantage_West]

Pretty happy with my physique, but considering my weight class i'd go with someone of similar weight, so [Only registered and activated users can see links] not pulling a blocky are you ?:think

that alcine isnt it

[Smith]

your not pulling a blocky are you ?:think

that alcine isnt it

Thats Jean Marc Mormeck you jobby

[Vantage_West]

michael watson
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tommy hearns
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i'm trying to look for a photo but does anybody remember lindell holmes 5'8 supermiddlewieght

[Relentless]

eubanks was also pretty lean.

[MrSmall]

I just want my wrists to be better again.

[magnificentdave]

unlike you we can talk about other mens physiques without getting a boner.

I didn't say anything about a boner.

:tdh

[Lead Right]

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[fatballer_10]

Agreed. Roy Jones Jr's physique was superb. And a great mixture of speed and power. Looks like the perfect athlete.

[Super_Fly_Sam]

I like the extremely low body fat look coupled with not too large muscles, so I'd have to say Pac or Bruce Lee or even Hagler, though he is getting big there. Lovemore Ndou has a fine build with extreme definition and nice shape.

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I couldn't find a pic of Ndou really flexed.
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Of course, you know I like my build quite a bit too.

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[Diomedes]

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Mainly because it's quite a realistic physique for me ;)

[champ17]

floyd mayweather

[Relentless]

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Mainly because it's quite a realistic physique for me ;)

damn look at his lat spread!

[achillesthegreat]

I would like a nice proportioned physique. Solid legs, good core and well developed everywhere else. I'm thinking Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, Muhammad Ali etc I'm not talking aesthetically, I'm talking proportionally.

[Nwil]

I'd say mayweather. ripped but not buff, long arms.

[Shanger]

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With bigger legs perhaps.

[thunder06]

probably jack dempsey's.

[Vantage_West]

i think james toney had a great body his gut went but his arms and shoulders were very strong and solid....that sounded mad gay

[Vantage_West]

probably jack dempsey's.why he had an average body it wasnt big or dense strong just....average joe

[Zhaakal]

Floyd Mayweather or RJJ.

[Relentless]

why he had an average body it wasnt big or dense strong just....average joe

exactly, i can understand you wanting to fight like him but he had a very poor physique for any athlete

[Spitfire]

Demspey had a solid back, he wasn't over weighed with too much muscle. Lean and mean.

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[Ingar]

I like my build, I just wanna improve it. I don't have long arms, neither do I have a broad shoulder structure, I just make the best of what I got and that's been my focus all along.

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[Relentless]

Demspey had a solid back, he wasn't over weighed with too much muscle. Lean and mean.

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what!!? everyones back looks like that when they squeeze their shoulder blades together.

[cardstars]

Marvin Hagler for me. That guy had the perfect boxing body imo. Everyone knows he trained very hard for it too

[stevexx28]

to just look like for what i wanna look like, prob holyfield, mosley,roy jones,tyson, hagler. But for actual boxing efficieny hearns definely, trinidad, ray leonard, mayweather.

[Ingar]

Do you by any chance lift weights??

No, I don't believe in weights. It's not old-school, I prefer pilates. :bart

[Muchmoore]

I would like to look like George Foreman in his first career. Ron Lyle and Sonny Listons physiques are great too.

[Rakim]

Marvin Hagler for me. That guy had the perfect boxing body imo. Everyone knows he trained very hard for it too



I never realised how much everyone wants Hagler's body. Have you tried buying him a drink?

[Ingar]

I never realised how much everyone wants Hagler's body. Have you tried buying him a drink?

:rofl :rofl :rofl

[S0uthPa111]

butterbean.....

i second that... no neck so you have a hell of a chin and that protection to the ribs oh baby!

[chinachin_76]

Butterbean because there'd only be room for improvement.

[cardstars]

I never realised how much everyone wants Hagler's body. Have you tried buying him a drink?


He doesnt drink :oops:

[Sizzle]

Lacy
Kessler
These two are about my size, so they're the ideal

At the lower weights,
Malignaggi
Mayweather
Cotto

At the higher weights,
Mormeck,
Holyfield

But that's too much mass for me.

Hagler, and Hearns were ripped as, but their arms were too puny.

[deram]

I am 6'2" so those Cotto and Pac, Margarito etc. are not really what I would like to look like. I would not like to be that small. If I was then hey.. I would live with it, but if you are asking me now - it would be like Lewis, Kessler... RJJ, Hopkins is ok above 170, but looks far too skinny at 160. Hagler, SRL were small, but apart from that they had a good build. Ayub Kalule too.

[CMBoxer]

Instead of wanting to look like someone, post their workout. I want to know roy jones jr workout.

[Relentless]

Instead of wanting to look like someone, post their workout. I want to know roy jones jr workout.

why so you can follow it??

what might have worked for roy might not work for you, everyone is unique, we all have different body types, roys workouts worked for roy, haglers workout worked for hagler.

[CMBoxer]

U said it, IT might work. Better to try than not. So, do u know roy jones jr workout?

[younghypnotiq]

RJJ is a 1 in a million athlete u will not be able to do his work out.

also he didnt do the same workout his whole life he prolly mixed it up quite often

[viru§™]

RJJ is a 1 in a million athlete u will not be able to do his work out.

Anyone can do any workout, eventually.

[CMBoxer]

RJJ is a 1 in a million athlete u will not be able to do his work out.

also he didnt do the same workout his whole life he prolly mixed it up quite often

First, who the hell are you to determine my strength and will?
Second, anyone can do a workout.

[Relentless]

if you are asking for roy jones' conditioning routine he had a different one each week.

[CMBoxer]

Its okay. If you know any, it would help. If you know a workout routine involving conditioning and boxing that he did to prepare for a fight, it would help. I'll see it and try to experiment with it. I change my exercise from time to time aswell. I know he changes weight division.

[younghypnotiq]

ur an idiot bro. u can not do something RJJ did.

[viru§™]

ur an idiot bro. u can not do something RJJ did.

This is the Internet. You never know, CMBoxer might be RJJ. ;)

[MagnificentMatt]

Marvin Hagler, and Bruce Lee, lets be honest, everyone wants to have Bruce Lees physique... :-)

[younghypnotiq]

i wouldnt.

[MagnificentMatt]

i wouldnt.

Of course not.

[younghypnotiq]

hes much to tiny. i wanna be 6 3-6 4 and aroudn 220-250 6% bf.

[Illmatic]

Charlie Zelenoff

[MagnificentMatt]

Charlie Zelenoff

Oh, Forgot about him you def changed my mind.
:good

[Sizzle]

hes much to tiny. i wanna be 6 3-6 4 and aroudn 220-250 6% bf.

Good luck with it eating your single 7000 calorie meal/day

[younghypnotiq]

i eat 7-8 meals a day.

[MrSmall]

That number seems to get larger every day it's posted.

Give us a rundown of a typical day of eating for you, younghypnotiq.

[Pugsley]

Forget it, I have a new role model.

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[Zhaakal]

Shane or Roy becouse they are very good athletes and could even have a good career in some other sport. Pretty Boy has a very nice built too but i realy can't see him being very good in some other sport. Shane and Roy have very similar builds.

[younghypnotiq]

That number seems to get larger every day it's posted.

Give us a rundown of a typical day of eating for you, younghypnotiq.


breakfast at 5.
second meal at 8
lunch at 12
second lunch 3:30
another meal 5
PWO shake 8
Dinner 9
right before bed meal 12

[viru§™]

breakfast at 5.
second meal at 8
lunch at 12
second lunch 3:30
another meal 5
PWO shake 8
Dinner 9
right before bed meal 12

In another thread you said you do sprints, weights and box all on the same day. Now in this thread you say you only get about 4 1/2 hours sleep every night. You must not be training very hard...

[younghypnotiq]

i do it very hard actually.
i box for ab out 1 and half hourse mon-fri
bill sstarrs 5x5 mon weds and fri
and running tues thurs and sat
i only need 5 hours of sleep.

[Two Fisted Piston]

What about Ken Norton???:admin

His nickname was Hercules!

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But Id say being 5'9 and Welterweight Im pretty much Zabs build

[Mistadobalina]

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emile griffith was pretty insane, 44 inch shoulders and 28 waist.
great choice. griffith has a perfect boxer's physique. broad shoulders, small waistline, strong legs. that shredded "V" shape is dope. other guys today would include edison miranda, lamont peterson, and steve cunningham.

if i were a heavyweight, i'd like to have lennox lewis' body proportions (arms-shoulders-torso-legs ratio) with a physique similar to a slightly less bulky ike ibeabuchi. or hell, even terrell owens without the weird distented abs. also, i think UFC fighter andrei arlovski has one of the best HW physiques today. well proportioned, well built, but not too overdone.

[Mistadobalina]

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alexander karelin is a freak of nature. the guy stands only 6'3.5" and yet he can carry 290lbs of lean muscle without looking pudgy, or too heavily muscled. talk about a natural heavyweight frame. guys who weigh 30lbs less and who are as tall or a lot taller can't even carry that weight without having that bulky muscle look (shannon briggs for example). he's pushing 300lbs and he doesn't look all chunky like those strong man competitors, nor does he look too muscle bound like a body builder.

[CMBoxer]

In another thread you said you do sprints, weights and box all on the same day. Now in this thread you say you only get about 4 1/2 hours sleep every night. You must not be training very hard...

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[Shanger]

great choice. griffith has a perfect boxer's physique. broad shoulders, small waistline, strong legs. that shredded "V" shape is dope. other guys today would include edison miranda, lamont peterson, and steve cunningham.

How tall is he?

I'm around with 6" 1 with shoulders around 46" and I dont look nothing like that. :?

[Thomas619]

he was 5'7 O_O and his body look nice

[JMonster]

lol...for being a boxer...lookn like james toney is good...if u just want a look...sam soliman the other night on the contender looks pretty solid...................but to me, he sucks and i could find someone around me that would probably drop him sooooooooooooooo...like i said, depends if ur going for the look or the skill

[Relentless]

lol...for being a boxer...lookn like james toney is good...if u just want a look...sam soliman the other night on the contender looks pretty solid...................but to me, he sucks and i could find someone around me that would probably drop him sooooooooooooooo...like i said, depends if ur going for the look or the skill

why cant you have both? like floyd or emile griffith?

[Mistadobalina]

How tall is he?

I'm around with 6" 1 with shoulders around 46" and I dont look nothing like that. :?

are you an ectomorph by any chance?

[Boyd]

Cro Cop when he fought in K1.

[box03]

Mike Tyson, his body is very intimidating and powerful looking.

[sandwichsurgeon]

David Haye has a good build, his offensive arsenal is incredible.

[MGUNZ48]

breakfast at 5.
second meal at 8
lunch at 12
second lunch 3:30
another meal 5
PWO shake 8
Dinner 9
right before bed meal 12

You'll be fat as hell shortly. If I had a dollar for every 5-6 meal a day guy I have met in gym that is mostly lard i could retire tomorrow.

[Rakim]

You'll be fat as hell shortly. If I had a dollar for every 5-6 meal a day guy I have met in gym that is mostly lard i could retire tomorrow.




:huh

[RDJ]

I don't really care as long as I'm strong and in shape.

:nono

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:happy

[RDJ]

You'll be fat as hell shortly. If I had a dollar for every 5-6 meal a day guy I have met in gym that is mostly lard i could retire tomorrow.

Right. Doesn't that kinda depend on how much you eat per meal? I don't know (well actually I do), but don't you think the 6 meal a day guys eat less per meal than the 2 meals a day people? Just an idea.

[PedroDePacas]

Interesting thread, hadn't seen it before.

To pick someone around my weight: Holyfield.

[El Puma]

I'd love to be built like Frank Shamrock or St. Pierre.

[daz52]

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[gutto]

Tyson

[joekirkbycobra]

rjjr
haye
mosley
hatton wen he weighed in for mayweather

[Box-on]

Mundine is around my weight,

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[joekirkbycobra]

if i had to pick someon my weight it'd b pac

[MGUNZ48]

Right. Doesn't that kinda depend on how much you eat per meal? I don't know (well actually I do), but don't you think the 6 meal a day guys eat less per meal than the 2 meals a day people? Just an idea.

No I don't think they eat less. they will almost always eat more in the end. This is an interesting training subject (sorry its off the orginal thread) However I have this debate all the time with the guys I train with. I think the 5-6 meal day plan is simply bullshit, its not practical, and its been my observation that it doesn't/won't work for 99% of the people in the world. I think its really for body builders only. Let me speak to a situation I had a few years back. A I am active duty Marine MGySgt. A few years ago I was the NCOIC of a Marine "A" school. To try and make a long story shorter this is the first school for our new Marines after they finish boot camp, and Marine Combat Training. Its the training that they get for their occupational specialty. Our school was about 30 training days long, with about a week indoc in front of that for a total of about 40 days. We had a very vigorous training program, along with the academic studies. Not boxing, but regular Marine Corps Physical training, of about 5-6 hours per week (3 days). Lots of running, pushups, pullups, ab work, the Marine Corps Martial arts program, etc. etc. The vast majority of our Marines also spent many hours in the gym on their own time. Playing sports, lifting weights, running, etc. We very closely monitored their bodyweight, and their physical performance. I questioned most of them about their diets. We found that Marines who ate just 3 balanced meals a day, were much more likely to maintain a lower bodyfat %, and do better on the Physical fitness test. In fact they seem to do better academicly also? We had many that were on a 5-6 meal a day plan, carrying containers of food around, or eating supplements. Without fail these Marines had a tendicty to have a higher % of bodyfat, run slower, and over all do more poorly on our PFT. I used to keep records of this for my own personal research. I tracked over 1200 students in 2 years. Every kid we had with weight control issues could not get his weight under control by eating 5-6 times a day. They always ate too much in the end, and were always hungry. Even when working out hard everyday. Under the normal three meal a day plan (mostly chow hall food) the meals were not small, (not huge) but balanced, normal sized, and the Marines felt full enough without being stuffed to get to the next meal 5-6 hours away. We used to do our PT from 0400-0500 in the morning. No one had time to eat prior to that very early session, and you wouldn't want to anyhow as you would puke if you had any food on your stomach. We put those kids through a very tough, nonstop about 90 minute workout, and no one seemd to be weak from the fact that they hadn't eaten in about 10 hours? Now you would say that is crap, all the doctors and other so called experts swear by the 5-6 plan. They also say that you have to eat in the morning before you workout, etc. I am speaking from real world experince on this subject. I do have some key points to consider also.

1. Under the 5 day plan your body never gets a rest, its always eating?
It needs a decent rest in between meals. I think eating all the time actually makes you hungrier. Like a baby thats needs to be fed ever two hours? Plus this stuff about your metabolism slowing down if you don't eat every two hours is another load of BS. it may slow down if you don't eat anything for 24hrs, but not after 4-5 hours. That is just common sense. If we had to graze like a cow all day, we would have more than 1 stomach.

2. Most people will not eat 5-6 small meals, they will eat 5-6 regular meals. Most people aren't satisfied with a "small meal". Myself included.

3. Because its such a pain in the ass to be worring about what and when your eating all the time, people tend to eat high calorie snacks.
Protein Bars, etc. A waste of money, and doubtful nutritional value.

4. Doesn't it seem funny that the US population has expoded in obsese people since this 5-6 plan has been considered the way to go? Look how fat most of the top heavyweights are today. Not out of condition but carrying allot of extra bodyfat.


I have observed many different fighters that were trying to make weight. None could get there on the 5-6 meal plan. Most ate 1 or two real meals a day, with lots of water and fruit in between.

Lastly I have read countless bio's on famous fighters training routines and diets. Very, very few eat more than 2-3 times a day. Even the Heavyweights. If you read Marciano's, Dempsey's, and even Jack Johnsons book you will be surprized how little they ate?

I have no personal training certs, or a college degree in nutrition, I'll be the first to admit that. But I know what i have seen work, and not work.

[joekirkbycobra]

No I don't think they eat less. they will almost always eat more in the end. This is an interesting training subject (sorry its off the orginal thread) However I have this debate all the time with the guys I train with. I think the 5-6 meal day plan is simply bullshit, its not practical, and its been my observation that it doesn't/won't work for 99% of the people in the world. I think its really for body builders only. Let me speak to a situation I had a few years back. A I am active duty Marine MGySgt. A few years ago I was the NCOIC of a Marine "A" school. To try and make a long story shorter this is the first school for our new Marines after they finish boot camp, and Marine Combat Training. Its the training that they get for their occupational specialty. Our school was about 30 training days long, with about a week indoc in front of that for a total of about 40 days. We had a very vigorous training program, along with the academic studies. Not boxing, but regular Marine Corps Physical training, of about 5-6 hours per week (3 days). Lots of running, pushups, pullups, ab work, the Marine Corps Martial arts program, etc. etc. The vast majority of our Marines also spent many hours in the gym on their own time. Playing sports, lifting weights, running, etc. We very closely monitored their bodyweight, and their physical performance. I questioned most of them about their diets. We found that Marines who ate just 3 balanced meals a day, were much more likely to maintain a lower bodyfat %, and do better on the Physical fitness test. In fact they seem to do better academicly also? We had many that were on a 5-6 meal a day plan, carrying containers of food around, or eating supplements. Without fail these Marines had a tendicty to have a higher % of bodyfat, run slower, and over all do more poorly on our PFT. I used to keep records of this for my own personal research. I tracked over 1200 students in 2 years. Every kid we had with weight control issues could not get his weight under control by eating 5-6 times a day. They always ate too much in the end, and were always hungry. Even when working out hard everyday. Under the normal three meal a day plan (mostly chow hall food) the meals were not small, (not huge) but balanced, normal sized, and the Marines felt full enough without being stuffed to get to the next meal 5-6 hours away. We used to do our PT from 0400-0500 in the morning. No one had time to eat prior to that very early session, and you wouldn't want to anyhow as you would puke if you had any food on your stomach. We put those kids through a very tough, nonstop about 90 minute workout, and no one seemd to be weak from the fact that they hadn't eaten in about 10 hours? Now you would say that is crap, all the doctors and other so called experts swear by the 5-6 plan. They also say that you have to eat in the morning before you workout, etc. I am speaking from real world experince on this subject. I do have some key points to consider also.

1. Under the 5 day plan your body never gets a rest, its always eating?
It needs a decent rest in between meals. I think eating all the time actually makes you hungrier. Like a baby thats needs to be fed ever two hours? Plus this stuff about your metabolism slowing down if you don't eat every two hours is another load of BS. it may slow down if you don't eat anything for 24hrs, but not after 4-5 hours. That is just common sense. If we had to graze like a cow all day, we would have more than 1 stomach.

2. Most people will not eat 5-6 small meals, they will eat 5-6 regular meals. Most people aren't satisfied with a "small meal". Myself included.

3. Because its such a pain in the ass to be worring about what and when your eating all the time, people tend to eat high calorie snacks.
Protein Bars, etc. A waste of money, and doubtful nutritional value.

4. Doesn't it seem funny that the US population has expoded in obsese people since this 5-6 plan has been considered the way to go? Look how fat most of the top heavyweights are today. Not out of condition but carrying allot of extra bodyfat.


I have observed many different fighters that were trying to make weight. None could get there on the 5-6 meal plan. Most ate 1 or two real meals a day, with lots of water and fruit in between.

Lastly I have read countless bio's on famous fighters training routines and diets. Very, very few eat more than 2-3 times a day. Even the Heavyweights. If you read Marciano's, Dempsey's, and even Jack Johnsons book you will be surprized how little they ate?

I have no personal training certs, or a college degree in nutrition, I'll be the first to admit that. But I know what i have seen work, and not work.interesting

[viru§™]

1. Under the 5 day plan your body never gets a rest, its always eating?
It needs a decent rest in between meals. I think eating all the time actually makes you hungrier. Like a baby thats needs to be fed ever two hours? Plus this stuff about your metabolism slowing down if you don't eat every two hours is another load of BS. it may slow down if you don't eat anything for 24hrs, but not after 4-5 hours. That is just common sense. If we had to graze like a cow all day, we would have more than 1 stomach.

Analogy #2: Your metabolism is like a fireplace. You and I both know that frequent meals are the absolutely best way to get bigger, leaner, stronger, faster, and healthier. Unfortunately, your fat uncle Guido doesn't, and insists that one big pasta meal at dinner and nothing during the day will be sufficient to get him lean. You've got two options to get the message across to him:
1. Give him this study, which showed significantly greater fat loss in subjects consuming six meals instead of two meals — even when total calories were held constant.
Iwao S, et al. Effects of meal frequency on body composition during weight control in boxers. Scand J Med Sci Sports. 1996 Oct;6(5):265-72.
2. Tell him this:
Pretend that you wake up in the morning, and you want to start a fire in your fireplace (your metabolism). To get the fire going, you need to add more than you'd need to simply keep it going — so start with a few logs, some newspaper, and kindling (plenty of food at breakfast). After the fire is already going, you'll need to add a log or two (smaller meals) every 2-3 hours to keep it going strong.
[Only registered and activated users can see links] Sometimes, the wood might be drier, so you'll need to add more wood at particular times of the day (post-exercise). Generally, though, your fire will burn strong all day long if you just keep adding a log here and there.
If, however, you don't put in the time to get it going first-thing in the morning (skipping breakfast), there isn't going to be a fire for the rest of the day. Likewise, if you just put a bunch of wood in there at the beginning of the day and then ignore it until the evening (dinner), you're going to have a cold house at dinnertime!

2. Most people will not eat 5-6 small meals, they will eat 5-6 regular meals. Most people aren't satisfied with a "small meal". Myself included.

That's down to an idividual not knowing when to stop. You can't say the priciple doesn't work because people don't know wtf they are doing. The idea is 3 large meals (like you say you already do above) and 2-3 smaller snacks to keep the metabolism going.

3. Because its such a pain in the ass to be worring about what and when your eating all the time, people tend to eat high calorie snacks.
Protein Bars, etc. A waste of money, and doubtful nutritional value.

Potein bars - carbs and protein. Wheres the waste? It's a small snack.

4. Doesn't it seem funny that the US population has expoded in obsese people since this 5-6 plan has been considered the way to go? Look how fat most of the top heavyweights are today. Not out of condition but carrying allot of extra bodyfat.

You're saying people in the US are fat because they eat 5-6 healthy meals a day? Bollocks.


I have observed many different fighters that were trying to make weight. None could get there on the 5-6 meal plan. Most ate 1 or two real meals a day, with lots of water and fruit in between.

Who did they employ as a nutritionist?

Lastly I have read countless bio's on famous fighters training routines and diets. Very, very few eat more than 2-3 times a day. Even the Heavyweights. If you read Marciano's, Dempsey's, and even Jack Johnsons book you will be surprized how little they ate?

Proves nothing.

I have no personal training certs, or a college degree in nutrition, I'll be the first to admit that. But I know what i have seen work, and not work.

I've seen many people use the 5-6 meal diet and it works fine.

[Iceveins]

Duncan Dokiwari

Holyfield

[greengloves]

someone around my weight i'd have to say kessler,great proportions,big chest and good abs.

[MGUNZ48]

That's down to an idividual not knowing when to stop. You can't say the priciple doesn't work because people don't know wtf they are doing. The idea is 3 large meals (like you say you already do above) and 2-3 smaller snacks to keep the metabolism going.

Thats the point most people can't stop. and thats mostly because they think they are doing the right thing, and have developed this silly habit. I have heard a 300 lb woman tell me about her metabolism slowing down if she doesn't eat every few hours? She didn't get that from me? She got that from a personal trainer.

Potein bars - carbs and protein. Wheres the waste? It's a small snack.

Its not a small snack, an apple is a snack. Most protein bars are about 300 (or more) calories. and they are a total waste of money. Most (not all) are processed sugar if you read the label. You can get a dozen organic eggs for less than the cost most protein bars.

You're saying people in the US are fat because they eat 5-6 healthy meals a day? Bollocks.

I'm saying that many people are fat because they buy into the "Bollucks" that they should graze all day like a cow.

Who did they employ as a nutritionist?

Your kidding right? What world are you living in? Employ a nutritionist? Most people spend what little money they have on their family, and life in general. So now they need to hire a professional nutritionist to do what is common sense?

Proves nothing.

Really? Then why do we listen, and hang on every word from a champion about how he trains, eats or lives? Because it works. What they prove is what works. and the basics of what has worked has hanged very little over the years.

Floyd Patterson 2 meals a day
Rocky Marciano 2 meals, bowl of soup for lunch
Muhammad Ali 2 meals a day
Hector Camacho 1 meal a day
AAron Pyror 2 meals a day

I have book here that interviews 27 past, and present world boxing champions in all different weight classes. Especailly on their diet and training routines. Not a single one lists eating more than 3 meals a day. Most only eat twice? That has to mean something? People do tend to do what works, especially champions.

I've seen many people use the 5-6 meal diet and it works fine.

Name me one top athete (professional) in any sport besides Bodybuilding, or weightlfting who reallly eats 5-6 times day? and not the local weightlifter hero at the your gym. I also spoke to several members of the world Champion NY Gaints football team at their training camp last summer about their workouts and diet. Their chow hall served three meals, but every guy said he normally only ate twice a day? In his book even Arnold said he always did his first workout in the morning on an empty stomach? These examples prove nothing right?

Lastly the human body is not a fire burning wood, a silly example I have heard a million times.

Check out the "Warrior Diet" by Ori Hofmekler

Will give you some historical prospective on all how diets have shaped societies. Especially the recent 5-6 meal a day stuff. Its an interesting book, check it out.

[RDJ]

He specifically said 3 real meals, and two snacks in between. I eat 6 "meals" a day and I'm not fat, far from it in fact.

[viru§™]

Name me one top athete (professional) in any sport besides Bodybuilding, or weightlfting who reallly eats 5-6 times day? and not the local weightlifter hero at the your gym. I also spoke to several members of the world Champion NY Gaints football team at their training camp last summer about their workouts and diet. Their chow hall served three meals, but every guy said he normally only ate twice a day? In his book even Arnold said he always did his first workout in the morning on an empty stomach? These examples prove nothing right?

Lastly the human body is not a fire burning wood, a silly example I have heard a million times.

Check out the "Warrior Diet" by Ori Hofmekler

Will give you some historical prospective on all how diets have shaped societies. Especially the recent 5-6 meal a day stuff. Its an interesting book, check it out.
Don't argue with me, go argue with the nutrition professionals at T-Nation.com. I'm sure they'd like to hear your thoughts and theories which debunk their years of research.

[MGUNZ48]

Don't argue with me, go argue with the nutrition professionals at T-Nation.com. I'm sure they'd like to hear your thoughts and theories which debunk their years of research.

No arguement and its nothing personal here. Its just that I have heard all the experts (like T-Nation.com) go on and on for years while average people just get fatter and fatter. I'm just a Marine who goes but what i actually see. Not what I hear. Because most of what I hear about almost anything is BS. Everything from Iraq to boxing. I trust my own obsevations and insticints, and little else. Its kept me alive to this point, and I trust it.

[Relentless]

Name me one top athete (professional) in any sport besides Bodybuilding, or weightlfting who reallly eats 5-6 times day? and not the local weightlifter hero at the your gym. I also spoke to several members of the world Champion NY Gaints football team at their training camp last summer about their workouts and diet. Their chow hall served three meals, but every guy said he normally only ate twice a day? In his book even Arnold said he always did his first workout in the morning on an empty stomach? These examples prove nothing right?

Lastly the human body is not a fire burning wood, a silly example I have heard a million times.

Check out the "Warrior Diet" by Ori Hofmekler

Will give you some historical prospective on all how diets have shaped societies. Especially the recent 5-6 meal a day stuff. Its an interesting book, check it out.

no, but your metabolism is like one.

[Relentless]

No arguement and its nothing personal here. Its just that I have heard all the experts (like T-Nation.com) go on and on for years while average people just get fatter and fatter. I'm just a Marine who goes but what i actually see. Not what I hear. Because most of what I hear about almost anything is BS. Everything from Iraq to boxing. I trust my own obsevations and insticints, and little else. Its kept me alive to this point, and I trust it.

why do you think many pro boxers hire nutritionists?

[viru§™]

No arguement and its nothing personal here. Its just that I have heard all the experts (like T-Nation.com) go on and on for years while average people just get fatter and fatter. I'm just a Marine who goes but what i actually see. Not what I hear. Because most of what I hear about almost anything is BS. Everything from Iraq to boxing. I trust my own obsevations and insticints, and little else. Its kept me alive to this point, and I trust it.

I eat 6 times a day and it works very well. The reason it might not work for some is because they don't have a clue what they are doing and eat too much or too little. That doesn't mean the basic principle does not work for everyone.

[elTerrible]

Jeff Lacy or Jermain Taylor


I am about 5-11 190 lbs. Those guys are around my size considering they prob walk around at 180 something with more muscle and less fat than me.


I would like to gain some muscle and loose a bit of body fat, but I dont want to be a huge bulky dude.

I was almost gonna say that I think Jeff Lacy looks good, but that would sound really gay, so I caught myself before I posted that.

[Relentless]

Jeff Lacy or Jermain Taylor


I am about 5-11 190 lbs. Those guys are around my size considering they prob walk around at 180 something with more muscle and less fat than me.


I would like to gain some muscle and loose a bit of body fat, but I dont want to be a huge bulky dude.

I was almost gonna say that I think Jeff Lacy looks good, but that would sound really gay, so I caught myself before I posted that.

dont worry this isn't the lounge, here we dont call each other gay.

[Rakim]

dont worry this isn't the lounge, here we dont call each other gay.



Speak for yourself, fag.

[Ajfourty7]

David Haye at cruiserweight. Anybody???

[AK-47]

RJJ in excellent physique here


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[BladeJrs]

did anyone say butterbean?

[cjgloves]

RJJ, Ray Robinson

[enquirer]

Mgun,i agree with your sentiments. 3 good meals works well for most....
The 5 or 6 meals may work for some but not everyone. Maybe if you want to put on weight for a short time it may be good.

When i used to eat 4 or five meals a day i didnt feel nearly as good or as lean as when i eat 3. I felt bloated on more than three meals a day.
But,whatever works for an individuals metabolism is fine.

[Relentless]

Mgun,i agree with your sentiments. 3 good meals works well for most....
The 5 or 6 meals may work for some but not everyone. Maybe if you want to put on weight for a short time it may be good.

When i used to eat 4 or five meals a day i didnt feel nearly as good or lean as when i eat 3. I felt bloated on more than three meals a day.
But,whatever works for an individuals metabolism is fine.

thats because you ate too much.

[enquirer]

I ate the same calories, but split it over four meals instead of three.
I love it how punks like you think you know how much a guy eats just by his one post on the issue....

[dwilson]

Andrew Hartley.

[Relentless]

I ate the same calories, but split it over four meals instead of three.
I love it how punks like you think you know how much a guy eats just by his one post on the issue....

touchy?

[viru§™]

touchy?

It's enquirer. If he doesn't agree, you're wrong. :bart

[Jazzo]

i do it very hard actually.
i box for ab out 1 and half hourse mon-fri
bill sstarrs 5x5 mon weds and fri
and running tues thurs and sat
i only need 5 hours of sleep.

You need to smoke crack.

All real gansters from the hood do it.

[elTerrible]

You need to smoke crack.

All real gansters from the hood do it.


:nono Never get high on your own supply.

[Jazzo]

:nono Never get high on your own supply.

I know that line but it does not have to be his own supply.

He should be taking a daily dose of it at any rate.

[MrSmall]

I ate the same calories, but split it over four meals instead of three.


then how do you explain your weight gain?
Frequency of meals does not affect weight gain if there's no calorie surplus.

[enquirer]

Virus,relentless and small,you guys are probably not educated enough to understand how eating frequency affects insulin levels,eostrogen levels,test levels,growth hormone,igf 1,cortisol and so on....I will give you a year to study,then come back and discuss...
And virus,if anyone thinks their view is gospel its you, 'mister i dont know fuck all about boxing,nor have i ever sparred but i will tell muhammed ali how to train because i read a few back issues of flex/muscle mag and train schmoes in a little gym'.....

LATEST STOP PRESS; Weights dont work for everyone (nor are they needed for everyone.) ,nor do multiple meals over three work for everyone.....Evidence? Millions of successful athletes over history.
END.

[Relentless]

Virus,relentless and small,you guys are probably not educated enough to understand how eating frequency affects insulin levels,eostrogen levels,test levels,growth hormone,igf 1,cortisol and so on....I will give you a year to study,then come back and discuss...
And virus,if anyone thinks their view is gospel its you, 'mister i dont know fuck all about boxing,nor have i ever sparred but i will tell muhammed ali how to train because i read a few back issues of flex/muscle mag and train schmoes in a little gym'.....

LATEST STOP PRESS; Weights dont work for everyone (nor are they needed for everyone.) ,nor do multiple meals over three work for everyone.....Evidence? Millions of successful athletes over history.
END.

:| :| :|

internet warrior, you've never boxed a day in your life.

[Relentless]

Virus,relentless and small,you guys are probably not educated enough to understand how eating frequency affects insulin levels.

my cousin has diabetes, the doctors recommend him to eat every 3 hours.:yep

[enquirer]

:smoke Sparred plenty pak man.....
And why does he have to eat every three hours,tell me if you know so much?.....
'WAITS FOR RELENTLESS' GOOGLE SEARCH....

[Relentless]

:smoke Sparred plenty pak man.....
And why does he have to eat every three hours,tell me if you know so much?.....
'WAITS FOR RELENTLESS' GOOGLE SEARCH....

i dont know but his doctors and dietitians told him to:smoke


Sparred plenty

how sweet.

[Relentless]

why dont you tell me how it affects insulin levels then spooge boy?

[enquirer]

You wouldnt understand even if i told you....
Good day pak man.

[Relentless]

You wouldnt understand even if i told you....
Good day pak man.

you dont even know yourself:lol: , if a doctor and a dietitian/nutritionist recommend a diabetes patient to eat every 3 hours then the affect on insulin levels must be positive.

i think i'll stick with doctors and trained coaches instead of pedophiles on the internet:hi:

[viru§™]

Virus,relentless and small,you guys are probably not educated enough to understand how eating frequency affects insulin levels,eostrogen levels,test levels,growth hormone,igf 1,cortisol and so on....I will give you a year to study,then come back and discuss...
And virus,if anyone thinks their view is gospel its you, 'mister i dont know fuck all about boxing,nor have i ever sparred but i will tell muhammed ali how to train because i read a few back issues of flex/muscle mag and train schmoes in a little gym'.....

LATEST STOP PRESS; Weights dont work for everyone (nor are they needed for everyone.) ,nor do multiple meals over three work for everyone.....Evidence? Millions of successful athletes over history.
END.
Thanks for proving my point.

A few things - I've never read flex/muscle magazine, I've never claimed to know a thing about boxing and I wouldn't have a problem telling ANYONE how to train if it's the basics like conditioning and strength training.
Also, weights can work for everyone if used correctly. Give me a link to a study proving weights "don't work for everyone". I don't understand how weights can't work if used correctly.

One more thing, like I told the other guy go to T-Nation.com and argue with the guys proving this stuff works. I go by what actual professionals say. The 5 or 6 meals a day theory works if done correctly.

Should I believe, Mike Roussell, John Berardi, Chad Waterbury, Alwyn Cosgrove, Chris Shugart, Christian Thibaudeau and Charles Poliquin with a combined experience of more than 100 years of training saying 6 meals a day works or should I believe enquirer, some random guy on a boxing forum who seems to love copy/pasting wikipedia.... It's a tough one.

[MrSmall]

Virus,relentless and small,you guys are probably not educated enough to understand how eating frequency affects insulin levels,eostrogen levels,test levels,growth hormone,igf 1,cortisol and so on....I will give you a year to study,then come back and discuss...
And virus,if anyone thinks their view is gospel its you, 'mister i dont know fuck all about boxing,nor have i ever sparred but i will tell muhammed ali how to train because i read a few back issues of flex/muscle mag and train schmoes in a little gym'.....

LATEST STOP PRESS; Weights dont work for everyone (nor are they needed for everyone.) ,nor do multiple meals over three work for everyone.....Evidence? Millions of successful athletes over history.
END.

Honestly?
The only thing I know about frequency of meals is that it doesn't cause insulin spikes. Body without food then suddenly something appears, causes an insulin spike, which isn't good because after the spike there is a drop.
So frequent meals.

Weights don't harm anyone my friend. But anyway, I really don't know enough on the subject of nutrition to win a war of words here, so I'm going to stop.

You mentioned, however, millions of successful athletes.
They would have been successful regardless of if they ate 3 meals or 6 meals a day, they had the talent, heart, determination, the intangibles to get them where they got to. The same applies to the running boxers used to do. Rocky Marciano ran miles and miles every day of the year.
Studies HAVE shown, and there's no denying this, that if A) he took a rest day b) he incorporated some kind of quicker running, sprints, in intervals for example c) he would have had some kind of extra strength training , he WOULD have been a "better" athlete. Higher anaerobic capacity, higher work capacity, stronger, possibly faster. Note how I say possibly!
But that's all hogwash - the man was a beast, and he trained as such.

How can proper supplemental work harm you? Why are people so adamant against strength training? What's the love for long, long, long runs?
The old champs did/didn't do them. If they DID, they wouldn't have been unsuccessful, I think people should realise this.

Why haven't other sports suffered from weight training, or any other MODERN training "technique"?
Football players, I'm sure they didn't all do deadlifts/power cleans, all that good stuff, since the begginning of time.

Anyway. Getting off subject.

That is all!

[enquirer]

Ok mr small,yours is a post with good points and one i respect.
I think you are correct in that some champs are soo talented and iron willed that most nearly any training regime could be used.
Im also glad you said Possibly/maybe because that is my MAIN point and always has been. Weights/old school may possibly benefit some but not all. Some folks get too bulky with weights or slow down,some do fine and may even improve,some guys do great on three meals and some do great on five. My point is that there is no single training method or eating regimen which can universally be considered best,the individual and how it affects him is key.
Eating multiple meals can overload some peoples body chemistry,can cause high blood glucose,high insulin and a lowering of growth hormone. But some folks may be unaffected by this,and so its all good for them to have multiple meals.
You can take the complicated version and find that certain bio chemical
pathways can be affected by weights and multiple meals,or you can take the practical route and try to see if it works for your metabolism.

Finally,i take great exception to guys claiming all boxers can improve their conditioning or metabolism by weights or 5/6 meals a day,yes some can benefit but not all will. I have tried many different routines over the years and for boxing weights and more than four meals doesnt help me. With football and similar sports there are different requirements,no real making weight and less emphasis on power/weight ratio.

[joekirkbycobra]

a great athlete comes through correct traning and plenty of nutrition
a great boxer comes through correct boxing skills and plenty of talent
but if u mix them together you cant go wrong

[Relentless]

i'm still waiting for the fat pedo to explain insulin levels and eating more frequently.

[Kolya]

Eating more frequently, smaller meals through the course of the day, provides a constant stream of different nutrients to your body so it never begins to catabolize (I believe that's the term) your muscles and body. It also increases metabolism. For most people, this is the recommended plan for gaining mass and burning some fat. But for the exceptions, such as myself, it doesn't work, as I have an extremely high metabolism and don't need it increased anymore. For people like me, the normal large 3 meals a day (very large) coupled with snacks in between is what's recommended, as it won't cause a huge increase in metabolism from what I understand. It's worked well for me, anyway. It's different for each individual.

[avk47]

Eating more frequently, smaller meals through the course of the day, provides a constant stream of different nutrients to your body so it never begins to catabolize (I believe that's the term) your muscles and body. It also increases metabolism. For most people, this is the recommended plan for gaining mass and burning some fat. But for the exceptions, such as myself, it doesn't work, as I have an extremely high metabolism and don't need it increased anymore. For people like me, the normal large 3 meals a day (very large) coupled with snacks in between is what's recommended, as it won't cause a huge increase in metabolism from what I understand. It's worked well for me, anyway. It's different for each individual.

Yeah, but you're a freak of nature who suffers from Makarenko syndrome (but not his skill), and weighs about as much as my left bicep (or more like my right man boob now that I'm taking a short break from boxing).

[Kolya]

Yeah, but you're a freak of nature who suffers from Makarenko syndrome (but not his skill), and weighs about as much as my left bicep (or more like my right man boob now that I'm taking a short break from boxing).

Hey! I move about as well as Makarenko! :D At least when he fought Andre Ward.

[RDJ]

Insulin is only wrong if you're not burning fuel, otherwise it does what it's supposed to do. For fucks sake we're not a bunch of fat McDonald's employees, who cares about insulin spikes.

[El Puma]

Insulin is only wrong if you're not burning fuel, otherwise it does what it's supposed to do. For fucks sake we're not a bunch of fat McDonald's employees, who cares about insulin spikes.:lol::yep

[avk47]

Hey! I move about as well as Makarenko! :D At least when he fought Andre Ward.

:blood

But when he thought Andre Ward he managed to mess up what was meant to be his triumph. He was head and shoulders above everyone favourite for those olympics, and he didn't medal which is a shame because he only went down from there. He's multiple world and European champion, and the olympics is all that he's missing from greatness.

[Dantes]

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I know its MMA, but GSP's got a great physique

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[jimmie]

I actually like my body as it is but I wanna be like Shane Mosley when im 36 he trains in Big Bear and doesnt gas,is always looking for ways to better his nutrition and hes a gym rat. I just wanna be like those guys Mosley,Randy Couture or RJJ or Hopkins who dont have any real bad habbits and can maintain there physique year round.

[Benjiabc]

david haye always looks in brilliant shape, or jermain taylor.

[scurlaruntings]

Notice how Hatton looks four sizes different when he's relaxed compared to when he's thrashing someone apart. Hatton has quite a scary build, he'd be a field day for people studying anatomy.

[Only registered and activated users can see links] call that scary?:lol::lol:

[Akxtinguish]

Valuev! But I'd have to do some crazy cardio to cut out those huge love handles.

[Thumpa50814]

Hagler. He was a beast. Conditioning at its best and it really showedi agree hagler trained at my gym and i would love to idolize his physique his heart and determination

[boxexpert]

firat arslan

[wesrman]

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[sivaru]

i would love to have the physique of my avatar

<<<<<<<<<<<<< mike tyson

[Boxaholic]

Mine, my body is wicked.

Id like roy jones's speed or joe fraziers power tho.

[snertdog1]

Rocky Marciano, real man physic. Body hair and all.

[Scott-Robson]

Bump. Interesting thread, and i read through every single comment (:

But related --> Conroy Nelson was pretty slim wiasted and had huge shoulders, same with Emile Griffith

[GPater11093]

Alexis Arguello

[vibit]

All you people forgot to add the "NO HOMO" part of your posts!!! no homo!

[G U E R R I E R]

Roy Jones Jr, no homo.

[RDJ]

All you people forgot to add the "NO HOMO" part of your posts!!!

No we did not.

:smooch

[Mrtibbs]

way too muscular for my liking, lacy says he doesn't lift weights, how the hell did he get so big?

You dont have to lift weights to get like that. I have a feeling his uses his body as a weight as in he does press ups, chin ups etc. I cant see how someone with a boxers exercise regime can get like that.

[Mrtibbs]

Oh and i like Gomboa and Khan.

very different builds but i am amazed by both of them.

[thejokerswild]

Wlad.Klitzscho (no homo)

[viru§™]

Oh and i like Gomboa and Khan.

very different builds but i am amazed by both of them.

Amir Khan? You're amazed by Amir Khan's build? Why? :think

[Goose]

Tim Bradley

[Boxinglad123]

Haha people posting no homo is funny....

[Boxinglad123]

*are

[Kevin_Wright]

Tyson

[TheUnstoppable]

I like Andre Dirrell's physique; tall, wide back and shoulders, good shape to his muscles, great definition and looks cut as hell.

I love how his shoulders are really rounded and his pecs are really square.

[billy boy balbo]

tommy "the duke" morrison

[Handz]

Mma Gsp or a.Silva

Boxing -RJJ,direll,Hagler

[mrtony80]

This guy

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[lefty]

This guy

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haha get him to a boxing gym stat!

[vibit]

This guy

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The best arm punching I've ever seen. Kudos!

[Squire]

A cruiserweight David Haye. We're same height, I've got the upper body size- now just need to work on legs, core and maybe move from 11% body fat to about 7 or 8%, but that will be the easy bit

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[Bad Dog]

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[AndrewFFC]

Quite often I think boxers have abs which stick out to much, ie they look a little chubby when they arent.

Take Ali for example, perfect athelte but looks a little soft around the centre to me. Youd see plebs down teh gym with better abs then him
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Margarito however looks awesome

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[AndrewFFC]

Lacy
Kessler
These two are about my size, so they're the ideal

At the lower weights,
Malignaggi
Mayweather
Cotto

At the higher weights,
Mormeck,
Holyfield

But that's too much mass for me.

Hagler, and Hearns were ripped as, but their arms were too puny.


What?
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[AndrewFFC]

No arguement and its nothing personal here. Its just that I have heard all the experts (like T-Nation.com) go on and on for years while average people just get fatter and fatter. I'm just a Marine who goes but what i actually see. Not what I hear. Because most of what I hear about almost anything is BS. Everything from Iraq to boxing. I trust my own obsevations and insticints, and little else. Its kept me alive to this point, and I trust it.


Joe public knows fuck all about nutrition and even if he does has no desire to stick to a plan. The population being fat has nothing to do with any 5-6 plan and more to do with junk food and inactivity.

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[tony mush]

tyson

[bobalachko]

Hatton on holiday:yuck

[tommygun711]

holyfield :D

[Boxinglad123]

holyfield :D

Just take a bowl of steroid crunch for breakfast and work hard....you'll be on your way.

[Jersey Joe]

I'd want the physique that gave the most speed and power, none of this pretty boy nonsense.

[Jersey Joe]

why he had an average body it wasnt big or dense strong just....average joe

Dempsey had an "average joe" physique? Cmon that is silly.

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[Jersey Joe]

I never realised how much everyone wants Hagler's body. Have you tried buying him a drink?

Rofl - I'm not sure that approach would have much success with Marvin :D

[viru§™]

Dempsey had an "average joe" physique? Cmon that is silly.

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He does to be fair, nothing special about his physique.

[Jersey Joe]

He does to be fair, nothing special about his physique.

I disagree, you need a special physique to be able to knock out much bigger top-level boxers the way Dempsey did. I'm pretty sure Margarito, Mayweather, or RJJ couldn't do it.

Maybe you are judging on looks? But that's personal opinion. For sure, the "average joe" or even average gym rat looks in worse shape than Dempsey in his prime did.

[stevexx28]

I disagree, you need a special physique to be able to knock out much bigger top-level boxers the way Dempsey did. I'm pretty sure Margarito, Mayweather, or RJJ couldn't do it.

Maybe you are judging on looks? But that's personal opinion. For sure, the "average joe" or even average gym rat looks in worse shape than Dempsey in his prime did.

Thats exactly what were judging on, physique/build=how you look, not how you perform, were not saying dempsey could fight, or was not fit, but he he has a pretty average body, at least by todays standards.

[viru§™]

I disagree, you need a special physique to be able to knock out much bigger top-level boxers the way Dempsey did. I'm pretty sure Margarito, Mayweather, or RJJ couldn't do it.

Maybe you are judging on looks? But that's personal opinion. For sure, the "average joe" or even average gym rat looks in worse shape than Dempsey in his prime did.

So people with a better looking physique are more likely to knock out heavier people? :huh

If that's how it works this guy could knock any boxer the fuck out then -

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Or maybe not as his boxing is shit.

[Jersey Joe]

So people with a better looking physique are more likely to knock out heavier people? :huh

If that's how it works this guy could knock any boxer the fuck out then -

Or maybe not as his boxing is shit.

All I said was two facts. Dempsey has a far better physique than the average joe; and his physique (i.e. body structure - obviously not his looks) allowed him to hit extremely hard.

If you're talking pure visual appearance then that's a matter of opinion, but personally I'd still rather have a physique that looked like Dempsey than most of the guys listed on this thread. And so apparently would the numerous virgins and floozies that the Manassa Mauler "broke in" before he became a top-notch prizefighter :D

But hey, if guys wanna look like Tyson and end up with chicks like Robin Givens, more power to them!

[Jersey Joe]

Thats exactly what were judging on, physique/build=how you look, not how you perform, were not saying dempsey could fight, or was not fit, but he he has a pretty average body, at least by todays standards.

Ok in that case it's just a different definition of physique to what I was thinking of. IMO it's not just looks alone, but also power, strength, size etc.

In any case, personally I prefer to look lean and trim and more natural, rather than bulked up with huge pecs, or getting a 6 pack at the cost of a hollow, concave-looking mid-section etc. So I prefer the Dempsey or Ali look over the Tyson or Margarito look.

[sKills]

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[viru§™]

Ok in that case it's just a different definition of physique to what I was thinking of. IMO it's not just looks alone, but also power, strength, size etc.

In any case, personally I prefer to look lean and trim and more natural, rather than bulked up with huge pecs, or getting a 6 pack at the cost of a hollow, concave-looking mid-section etc. So I prefer the Dempsey or Ali look over the Tyson or Margarito look.

Physique is someone's build, how they look. You cannot rate somebodies strength, power, speed, whatever just by looking at them.

Definition -

phy.sique - noun
Physical or bodily structure, appearance or development: The physique of an athlete.

[sKills]

Physique is someone's build, how they look. You cannot rate somebodies strength, power, speed, whatever just by looking at them.

Definition -

phy.sique - noun
Physical or bodily structure, appearance or development: The physique of an athlete.


yes you can.. look at the pictures i posted on the bottom of page 15. you can tell who is incredibly strong and you can tell who is incredibly fast. you can tell who has the best chins and the worst chins. you can also tell who might be smarter than others, but this can be deceptive because toney looks dumb as hell but in the ring he is fucking albert einstein

[viru§™]

yes you can.. look at the pictures i posted on the bottom of page 15. you can tell who is incredibly strong and you can tell who is incredibly fast. you can tell who has the best chins and the worst chins. you can also tell who might be smarter than others, but this can be deceptive because toney looks dumb as hell but in the ring he is fucking albert einstein

Please tell me how the hell you can tell how somebody is incredibly fast and what kind of chin they have from looking at a picture? Maybe you can tell if somebody is strong, that's fairly obvious, but then again looks can be deceptive.

You can't look at a picture of some random guy and say "I bet he's incredibly fast" Why? If I looked at a picture of Bruce Lee I would never think "oh he must be super fast". What characteristics of the physique gives away the guy's speed? Same with chin? Makes no sesne at all.

[AndrewFFC]

james toney
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wtf?

[Relentless]

yes you can.. look at the pictures i posted on the bottom of page 15. you can tell who is incredibly strong and you can tell who is incredibly fast. you can tell who has the best chins and the worst chins. you can also tell who might be smarter than others, but this can be deceptive because toney looks dumb as hell but in the ring he is fucking albert einstein

bullshit

[viru§™]

yes you can.. look at the pictures i posted on the bottom of page 15. you can tell who is incredibly strong and you can tell who is incredibly fast. you can tell who has the best chins and the worst chins. you can also tell who might be smarter than others, but this can be deceptive because toney looks dumb as hell but in the ring he is fucking albert einstein

I missed the part about being able to tell how smart somebody is by looking at a picture of them. Just :patsch

Look at this picture -

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Would you believe this is possibly the smartest man alive from looking at this? I'd say I don't know, seeing as it's not possible to know somebodies intelligence by looking at a picture.

Try to make sense when you explain your theory, I'm intrigued.

[Mr. V.I.P.]

I missed the part about being able to tell how smart somebody is by looking at a picture of them. Just :patsch

Look at this picture -

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Would you believe this is possibly the smartest man alive from looking at this? I'd say I don't know, seeing as it's not possible to know somebodies intelligence by looking at a picture.

Try to make sense when you explain your theory, I'm intrigued.

If hes so smart why didn't he cure himself?

[lefty]

If hes so smart why didn't he cure himself?
What are you, fucking ten years old? What a stupid thing to say.

[lefty]

yes you can.. look at the pictures i posted on the bottom of page 15. you can tell who is incredibly strong and you can tell who is incredibly fast. you can tell who has the best chins and the worst chins. you can also tell who might be smarter than others, but this can be deceptive because toney looks dumb as hell but in the ring he is fucking albert einstein

Nah you can only tell because you already know, if there was a lineup of guys you didn't know you can bet you wouldn't have the slightest clue. If what you say is true, what does a fast guy look like? Is it the angle of his bicep when it is flexed? Chin, Strength? I would love to hear your theory.

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gamboa

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no'omo

[DcRfc]

Apollo Creed? :hey

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[RDJ]

yes you can.. look at the pictures i posted on the bottom of page 15. you can tell who is incredibly strong and you can tell who is incredibly fast. you can tell who has the best chins and the worst chins. you can also tell who might be smarter than others, but this can be deceptive because toney looks dumb as hell but in the ring he is fucking albert einstein

You seem to excel in dumb remarks.

[Jazzo]

Tyson was always my favourite.

I want my pecs cut like his. But whatever... that is just the way his body goes.

I'm starting to really appreciate my own.

[Jazzo]

Dempsey had an "average joe" physique? Cmon that is silly.

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The guy meant lots of guys in the gym look like this, which is true.

[Jazzo]

Also, regarding Tyson.

Wow, I am still amazed that his weight was always bang on. People say he did not train half the time but he was a real pro at all times.

He probably lost intensity at times but who doesn't?

At the end of his career he was only about 7-10 pounds over his weight when he was 19 and folk were acting like he was Butterbean.

[oatman12345]

either buakaw por pramuk or floyd mayweathers

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