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Decebal

12-21-2007, 03:34 AM

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What a great boxer!

What a great man!

:happy :happy :happy Let's hear it for Mikkel, the Viking Warrior, Kessler!:happy :happy :happy

Decebal

12-21-2007, 03:36 AM

Please use this thread to post new information about Mikkel Kessler, to discuss his career and upcoming fights and to chat to other fans.:good

Taffyy

12-21-2007, 03:41 AM

FRKO

12-21-2007, 03:54 AM

Kessler rules.

slo100

12-21-2007, 04:01 AM

Calzaghe by no means "dominated" Kessler, i think it was still a very close fight, I for one would like to see a rematch, much more than any Hopkins or Woods fight.

tuna

12-21-2007, 05:57 AM

Hey Decebal,

Your heart will be torn if Bute and Kessler ever face each other:yep

inchpunch

12-21-2007, 06:01 AM

I am a Calzaghe fan and Kessler is the ony fighter who really forced Joe to dig deep. I predict that Kessler will be considered ATG material when he finishes his career.

THN

12-21-2007, 06:06 AM

Kessler will be back, but at the moment he needs new inspiration, promotor.

PrideOfWales

12-21-2007, 07:14 AM

I have some respect for Kessler. To go to Cardiff to put his two belts on the line against Calzaghe showed more balls than anyone else has been capable of in the last 10 years.

Smith

12-21-2007, 07:49 AM

FlatNose

12-21-2007, 07:51 AM

Pretty hot division that 168 lb. class.We have yet to see the best of Kessler, and Butte proved himself a player with the impressive win over Bika, who will be back making lots of noise as well.Its nice to look forward to top fighters looking to establish themselves by beating the other top guys.There is way too much attention stolen by semi retired guys like DLH, cherry pickers like Hopkins, and dudes like RJJ who is a combination of both.

ChuckYoungblood

12-21-2007, 08:12 AM

From the signs i'm seeing from him, his heart doesnt seem to be in it as much as before the Joe fight. He carries that into the ring, he won't go anywhere.
Has the ability to rule supreme the 168's though, lets hope he wants to.

I have the same feeling. He recently said, that he only expects to fight 5-6 more times before he retires. He shouldn't be thinking about that now, only to get the biggest possible fight.

bizzer07

12-21-2007, 08:24 AM

Im a Joe Calzaghe fan but Kesslers efforts in the ring & his humility after the fight have made me a big fan.........A great fighter & a true gent.
I really think he can dominate SMW for the next few yrs & I'll certainly be following his progress.

completly agree, I'm also a Calzaghe fan and kessler was fantastic when he came over, handled himself brilliantly and will be king of SMW in no time! :bbb

Smazz20

12-21-2007, 08:33 AM

He should sign with a American promoter like Top Rank or something. Base himself over there and get his comeback fight against someone like Hanshaw or Green.

Djarnis

12-21-2007, 09:47 AM

He should sign with a American promoter like Top Rank or something. Base himself over there and get his comeback fight against someone like Hanshaw or Green.

Agreed.
How much will it take to buy him out?
Is there any other examples of boxers being nought out of contracts?

Rubberduck

12-21-2007, 09:57 AM

I don´t think Palle will let him go. Team palle is known for making contracts that makes it almost impossible for Boxers to get out.
Besides, Kessler is by far the best Boxer he has, and maybe will ever get. I don´t see it happening.

But who should he fight next? I would personally love to see him whack Mundine again:bbb

Weber

12-21-2007, 10:11 AM

I really think that he should whatever is to possible to get rid of Palle. He has done well, but Palle can only take him so far. But he is a great fighter, he just couldn't keep up Calzaghe's pace. I think that a rematch would be exciting, though it seems unlikely to happen, if he had fought more aggressively instead of waiting for Calzaghe slip, I think he would have a good chance of winning. JC won fair and square, just saying that the match was competitive, and that I think that a future match would be even more so.

Though JC won't give him a rematch (understandable - he is going for his legacy by now), there is still a lot for him to do. What he really needs to do is to cash in on the name-factor that has been added since his fights with Andrade and Calzaghe. If he got himself an american promoter he would be in a better position to get a quick comeback-fight.

youngmonzon

12-21-2007, 11:27 AM

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What a great boxer!

What a great man!

:happy :happy :happy Let's hear it for Mikkel, the Viking Warrior, Kessler!:happy :happy :happy

I can't wait to see him fight again. Great technical boxer. He will get even better as a result of his loss to Calzaghe. Kessler has the potential to be an ATG.

Taffyy

12-21-2007, 06:11 PM

goldenboy

12-21-2007, 06:37 PM

i love kessler. hes still a major player..

brooklyn1550

12-21-2007, 07:25 PM

I think Kessler will establish himself as one of the best fighters of this generation. Calzaghe/Kessler II will never, and should never happen, so this leaves Kessler to fight Bute, Froch, Inkin, Lacy, Brahmer, Green, Pavlik, Taylor, Abraham, etc.

I see him becoming the undisputed champion at 168 in a couple years, then moving up to 175 and capturing a belt. Perhaps he could become undisputed there as well.

The future is BRIGHT for Mikkel Kessler!

Taffyy

12-21-2007, 07:33 PM

scott is cool

12-21-2007, 07:33 PM

i like kessler, when he entered the ring with calzaghe i thought he was gonna win, he brings allot of class to the table.. i reckon he could beat most super middleweights.. actually all of them

Except Calzaghe. :yep

Decebal

12-22-2007, 07:32 AM

Hey Decebal,

Your heart will be torn if Bute and Kessler ever face each other:yep

No, it won't...it will be Bute all the way for me!;)

bumdujour

12-22-2007, 08:10 AM

Please use this thread to post new information about Mikkel Kessler, to discuss his career and upcoming fights and to chat to other fans.:good

kessler vs bute for the ibf title.........who would you pick:huh

HolgerD

12-22-2007, 09:14 AM

It think what Kessler really wants is to go boxing in the US. Can someone in the US please get his act together and bring him over. IMO he needs to build on the massive Wales-Calzaghe experience with a new coach or at least a new assistent-coach and possibly new/better management suited for the US. :good

That so many says a rematch with Calzaghe is unlikely makes me slightly dissapointed because rematches of this nature is part of what makes boxing such a great sport with a briliant history. Also, it would help Kessler a whole lot with his motivation to have a rematch in sight down the line. Based on some on Mikkels statements right after the JC fight, I believe Mikkel was slightly disappointed when JC more or less ruled out a rematch immediately after the fight. It was statements like "...I wouldn't have offered him (JC) a rematch either....." among others that made me think so.

PH|LLA

12-22-2007, 11:52 AM

I'd also like to see a Calzaghe - Kessler rematch

Quik

12-22-2007, 06:24 PM

I'd also like to see a Calzaghe - Kessler rematch

I don't think this will happen. Theres more money to be made against a big US name for JC. Not to mention I just can't see how Kessler could beat Calzaghe.

I would really love to see Joe fight Pavlik if he beats Taylor.

FRKO

12-22-2007, 06:41 PM

Joe shouldn't (and most probably won't) fight Kess again. He doesn't have time to mess around, he should just continue onwards and upwards to 175, then quit while he's ahead.

Decebal

12-23-2007, 08:38 AM

kessler vs bute for the ibf title.........who would you pick:huh

Now? Kessler, for sure; in 2009, it depends how much Bute improves.

HolgerD

12-23-2007, 09:52 AM

...... Not to mention I just can't see how Kessler could beat Calzaghe.....

How about Kessler not hitting so many holes in the air? ;) I just find it hard to believe he would continue that trend now that he knows some of JCs million tricks. After (re)-watching the fight I realise that MK was probably right, when he after the fight, suggested he should have used a lot more body punched instead of throwing power punches. Using power punches might have drained him prematurely?

Quik

12-23-2007, 11:00 AM

How about Kessler not hitting so many holes in the air? ;) I just find it hard to believe he would continue that trend now that he knows some of JCs million tricks. After (re)-watching the fight I realise that MK was probably right, when he after the fight, suggested he should have used a lot more body punched instead of throwing power punches. Using power punches might have drained him prematurely?

Mmm Maybe but i think Calzaghe can adapt to so much situation... He had trouble with the jab at the beggining and neutrailized it. Then Kessler came back with the upercut, Calzaghe neutralized it... And after it was all Calzaghe...

As i said, i just can't see how he could do because Calzaghe just has everything over him, except power...

HolgerD

12-27-2007, 07:02 AM

Mmm Maybe but i think Calzaghe can adapt to so much situation... He had trouble with the jab at the beggining and neutrailized it. Then Kessler came back with the upercut, Calzaghe neutralized it... And after it was all Calzaghe...

As i said, i just can't see how he could do because Calzaghe just has everything over him, except power...

I see where your coming from but I think key to much of JCs success is stamina. So, to stand a better chance, you need to reduce the stamina advantage. Quality body punches is a way to do that. Wasn't it Hagler who once said "Kill the body and the head will die!"???.

Smazz20

12-27-2007, 12:12 PM

Has anyone heard any rumours of Kessler's possible next opponent?

On the Euro forum, their talking about a possible all Danish showdown with Mads Larsen. It's probably his best option, should he decide not to move to the states, which most of us would rather he did.

Larsen would be a decent domestic scrap that would generate a few quid for both. He's also a good fighter that fits the bill perfectly for a comeback fight.

Smazz20

12-27-2007, 12:36 PM

Thank you. I agree, Larsen should only happen as a fight of last resort, but if it does happen, it should happen no later than early March, because Kessler needs to fight three times in 2009, I think.

Definitley. He's IN his peak now. He can't afford to waste time with 1-2 fights a year. This might be a problem due to the health of his promoter. Apparently, as ill as Palle is, he's not gonna let Kessler go cheap. Ideally for Kessler, imo, he'd sign with a good American promoter and make his comeback early march, against Winky Wright. I doubt Winky will want to fight him but it'd be a good scalp for Kessler and improve his stature over there.

But, yeah, he really needs at LEAST 3 good fights next year. Winky, Miranda and winner of Froch/Inkin.

Smazz20

12-27-2007, 12:53 PM

That would be ideal, of course, but the winned of Froch v. Inkin will never want to lose their belt in their first voluntary defense. So, realistically, we'll have to cross that off our list. Miranda? Isn't he matched with Pascal? I thought that they would fight for an WBO eliminator, with the winner going against Braehmer for the title. It's tough for Kessler, because there doesn't seem to be much out there for him; he's just too good for the top ten guys to want to fight him, unless they are mandated to do so or if it's a unification fight with big bucks attached.

Winky was mentioned as a possible opponent on the Calzaghe v. Hopkins undercard. That would be a very good fight for Kessler, I think.

Yeah, that's the real crappy part. He loses to his biggest rival in the division and all of a sudden he drops from the rankings like a hot snot. I suppose if he got Winky first, he could look to Green and possibly even Bute. Although I don't want Bute/Kessler just yet. Bute needs a few more fights.

Even fighting the loser of Inkin/Froch wouldn't be a bad thing I don't think. Not if he can't get any of the other top names. I suspect Taylor could actually retire should he lose his rematch with Pavlik, whereas if he wins, he'd be a perfect candidate.

It's all up in the air though. I just want him back in the ring as soon as possible.

sthomas

12-27-2007, 12:53 PM

Kessler needs to fight by March 2008 to keep his edge. Winky in the US would be a great choice maybe for his 2nd fight. It would generate a lot of interest & $$$$$$$'s world wide. But Kessler should get a solid win before he goes after a guy as good was Winky.

Quik

12-27-2007, 02:09 PM

Kessler should kick the ass of that arrogant f!$% Carl Froch...

Decebal

01-07-2008, 04:24 PM

Any news about Mikkel? Any rumours?

Grant1

01-07-2008, 04:38 PM

Kessler should kick the ass of that arrogant f!$% Carl Froch...

Sounds good to me !!

:good

RealIzm

01-07-2008, 04:43 PM

I heard Kessler is going into surgery to get a confidence transplant..his old one shit the bed in the 5th round of his last fight

Maden

01-07-2008, 04:44 PM

Any news about Mikkel? Any rumours?

Nothing new in the danish press at the moment.

ashley

01-07-2008, 04:52 PM

I think Kess should go after Mundine....he would get the regular WBA title and when Joe moves up it will be the full monty.

I thought Kess fought well against Joe and landed some great shots that would have won him the fight against any other SMW....but Joe is just 2 good.

Kess could earn some good money comming to Sydney to fight Mundine again......Mundine now knows that Kess can be beaten and this might give Mundine the ball to fight Kess again.

I dont think Mundine can fight the same constant pressure on Kess as Joe did so it should go the same as the first Mundine vs Kessler fight.

Decebal

01-07-2008, 04:53 PM

Nothing new in the danish press at the moment.

:|

Faetter_BR

01-07-2008, 05:03 PM

Well he has said that the - I've got 5-6 fights left - was a misqoute. I said he was very hungry and has no plans of retirement...

Decebal

01-13-2008, 10:53 AM

:bump

IntentionalButt

01-13-2008, 07:07 PM

How did this vessel set sail without my knowing? :fire

:happy:happy

Decebal

01-13-2008, 07:08 PM

How did this vessel set sail without my knowing? :fire

:happy:happy

Oh, under the cover of a moonless night.:D

For some reason though, the Danes simply won't post in it...:conf

Decebal

01-18-2008, 09:08 AM

please, let's use this thread to ask, inform and discuss about Mikkel...it's easier to keep track of what's what...:good

THN

01-18-2008, 10:11 AM

We don't no nothing, you will be the first to know.:yep

Decebal

01-18-2008, 10:15 AM

We don't no nothing, you will be the first to know.:yep

:good :happy :happy :happy

teekay00

01-18-2008, 02:22 PM

I think kessler should fight antonio tarver haha

randeris

01-26-2008, 08:09 AM

Allan Green has said he wants to fight Kessler. That's the perfect guy for Kessler to face. He'd beat him and he's a name in USA. Team Palle said that there would be news in January.. They better hurry then.

01-26-2008, 09:42 AM

There is some good up and coming fighters at 168, no big names yet but once joe relinquishes his belts and a few of these undefeated contenders get hold of one, interest in them will immediately follow.

Kessler should stay and make 168 his own, I see a good future there, he's beaten Mundine alreayd but Bute, Inkin, Froch, green all have potentiol.

I think Larsen is a good comeback fight, he beats him easily, but after a super fight and a loss its a good choice. I hope he doesnt take too much time out though.

Sardu

01-26-2008, 10:23 AM

THN

01-26-2008, 07:58 PM

Kessler is no doubt a very nice and intelligent young man. And a sensational fighter of course! It just baffles me that such a clean cut and well spoken kid is tatted up like he's in the Hell's Angels or something. Guess I'm kind of old school and don't understand this tattoo craze nowadays. To each his own I guess.

Mikkel Kessler is a nice guy with tatoos, he has no connections to Hells Angels or other bad gangs. He's just a very likeable young man, who happend to be one of the best fighters around at the moment.:yep

stiflers mum

01-26-2008, 08:11 PM

From the signs i'm seeing from him, his heart doesnt seem to be in it as much as before the Joe fight. He carries that into the ring, he won't go anywhere.
Has the ability to rule supreme the 168's though, lets hope he wants to.
i disagree.i think his first loss,losing his belts will bring out the mongrel in him.i hope instead of being respectful and polite he becomes'mikkel'the bad motherfucker'kessler.:smoke

THN

01-26-2008, 08:47 PM

I can see why that would seem like a good idea. However, I'm not sure he can change that much, even if he wanted. Also, I am not sure he would fight more intelligently just because he was meaner.

What Kessler needed is what he showed in round 12 against Calzaghe, when he had lost everything. Fighting without compromise, and I think thats what he learned in that fight. He'll come back stronger than ever:yep No more mister nice guy :bbb

MasterCalzaghe

01-27-2008, 06:09 AM

Will be 3 months soon with little word, dude needs to move his ass and get verbal even if he is injured & never know, the guy might be damaged goods now........

HolgerD

01-27-2008, 08:14 AM

Kessler is no doubt a very nice and intelligent young man. And a sensational fighter of course! It just baffles me that such a clean cut and well spoken kid is tatted up like he's in the Hell's Angels or something. Guess I'm kind of old school and don't understand this tattoo craze nowadays. To each his own I guess.

Tattoos: I think it was the great british Philosopher called Ozzy Osbourne also known as The Prince of darkness who said: "You get one you'll want another one. It fuckin' never stops.":D

HolgerD

01-27-2008, 08:43 AM

What Kessler needed is what he showed in round 12 against Calzaghe, when he had lost everything. Fighting without compromise, and I think thats what he learned in that fight. He'll come back stronger than ever:yep No more mister nice guy :bbb

I agree some of the way because fighting without compromise means taking more risks. That'll suit the US audience I'm sure. On the other hand I see catiousness+defense as one of Kesslers virtues. What Mikkel and his trainer(s) needs to work harder at is picking a proper risk level fitting the opponent. He might have been rewarded by going all out against Calzaghe? Unfortunately we'll probably never know.:bbb

Decebal

01-28-2008, 03:28 PM

I agree some of the way because fighting without compromise means taking more risks. That'll suit the US audience I'm sure. On the other hand I see catiousness+defense as one of Kesslers virtues. What Mikkel and his trainer(s) needs to work harder at is picking a proper risk level fitting the opponent. He might have been rewarded by going all out against Calzaghe? Unfortunately we'll probably never know.:bbb

You make good points, but I think I disagree. Mikkel didn't lose to Joe because he didn't go for it! He lost because he put too much pressure on himself to KO Joe. Had he boxed more and more intelligently and had he stayed more relaxed, he would have done better, I think. The gameplan was all wrong, because instead of training for speed and workrate, he trained for power. Big mistake.

randeris

01-28-2008, 03:33 PM

Mikkel Kessler and Team Palle should get a move on! Apparently they have offered a fight to Winky Wright, but that's not much action in three monts. Go fight Allan Green, beat him and you'll have a better name in the USA.

PH|LLA

01-28-2008, 04:17 PM

randeris

01-28-2008, 04:26 PM

Allan Green wouldn't fight Kessler

Yes, i read somewhere that he was interested in Kessler. Give me a second i'll try to dig up the link.

randeris

01-28-2008, 04:34 PM

[Only registered and activated users can see links] - not much, but i know for a fact that he has said he wants to fight Kess

randeris

01-28-2008, 05:02 PM

He declined to fight Bute but wants to fight Kessler? Fair enough.

Source?

randeris

01-28-2008, 05:07 PM

Source for what, mate? I don't know whether he really does want to fight Kessler. I was just going by what this thread was saying. Source that he didn't want to fight Bute? Common knowledge, mate. Green was offered the title fight on the 29th of February but declined it because US TV wouldn't show it.

Well, i guess i fail in common knowledge then. US TV would definately show Kessler v Green, and i know that he has said that he wants Kessler. It might be all talk, but they should at least contact Greens team.

randeris

01-28-2008, 05:18 PM

I'm sure they will! Kessler needs a way in and a KO against someone known and rated in the US, televised in the US would be perfect. I also heard US TV wanted to showcase Green against a journeyman who fights out of the USA...cannot remember his name. They might not want to splash out on having Green pasted all over the floor with Kessler, when they could build him up a bit against journeymen. We'll see, but I seriously doubt Green will agree to fight Kessler, US TV or not.

Green would be a fool to fight Kessler, but he has shown guts before, fighting Edison Miranda and Jaidon Condringon.

IntentionalButt

01-28-2008, 06:30 PM

Yeah...not quite in the same league as Kessler, though, are they?

20,000 leagues apart. Kessler makes Green black and blue in two. :good

Decebal

01-31-2008, 08:05 AM

I heard that Mikkel was fighting a "name opponent" in summer.

Fat Tony

01-31-2008, 08:10 AM

I heard that Mikkel was fighting a "name opponent" in summer.

Source and - above all - details?

I hope that Summer does not mean September.

Taylor? - if he doesn't lose against Pavlik - but Taylor-RJJ is more likely
Winky? - if he recognizes that ODLH won't fight him
Miranda? - if the Pascal fight wouldn't take place. But is Miranda a name?

By the way: How long do I have to use this stupid avator?

ChuckYoungblood

01-31-2008, 08:25 AM

By the way: How long do I have to use this stupid avator?

I think the bet ended a month ago

Decebal

01-31-2008, 08:47 AM

Source and - above all - details?

I hope that Summer does not mean September.

Taylor? - if he doesn't lose against Pavlik - but Taylor-RJJ is more likely
Winky? - if he recognizes that ODLH won't fight him
Miranda? - if the Pascal fight wouldn't take place. But is Miranda a name?

By the way: How long do I have to use this stupid avator?

Source: reliable person wrote to Kessler and this is what Kessler said.

Summer probably means May/June...but not sure.

Impossible to guess name...it must be someone we have heard of and talk about regularly, and I don't mean Joppy.

Why are you still wearing that avatar? Why are you asking me how long you have to use it for? Did you lose a bet on Joe v. Mikkel? I'm sure it was a one month bet, in that case. Please change it immediately!:good

Fat Tony

01-31-2008, 10:16 AM

Why are you still wearing that avatar? Why are you asking me how long you have to use it for? Did you lose a bet on Joe v. Mikkel? I'm sure it was a one month bet, in that case. Please change it immediately!:good

I thought it was a three months bet. :lol:

Decebal

01-31-2008, 10:18 AM

I thought it was a three months bet. :lol:

I don't think we can stand that avatar any longer...to be honest!:D Anyway, it's only a couple of days until the 3 months...meh!

IntentionalButt

01-31-2008, 09:07 PM

2008 will be a year of new challenges and my goal is to be World Champion as soon as possible. It's truly my ambition to win back "my" belts and ad some more to them. How this is going to happen outside the ring, is for my manager to sort out.
I heard some roomers that I was going to quit, but as long as I feel hungry I wouldn't even dream about it. I'm mentally and physically on the peak of my career and really look forward to step into the ring again and prove that I'm good and skilled boxer.

:ldevil

Gonzo

01-31-2008, 09:08 PM

ver good fighter indeed, i respect him.

Decebal

02-01-2008, 02:56 AM

NEWSFLASH - good news for Mikkel!

Bute said:

«Je prévois livrer trois ou quatre combats cette année"

" Pour le reste, il n'a pas de nom précis en tête, sinon de remontrer dans le ring au printemps pour un combat d'envergure.

«Je serais prêt à rencontrer Mikkel Kessler», a précisé Bute qui compte surtout livrer bataille à Montréal, sa nouvelle ville d'adoption. «Je doute qu'il accepte de venir se battre ici»."

which means, if I am not mistaken:

After 3-4 fights this year, Bute wants a big fight in Spring 2009. Bute thinks he will be ready for Mikkel Kessler. He doubts Mikkel would accept to come to Montreal for the fight, though.

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

Kessler v. Bute in Spring 2009! Good or bad for boxing?:lol:

So, what do you think?

Will Mikkel come to Montreal to fight Bute in Spring next year?

I bet he will!:good

THN

02-01-2008, 03:10 AM

Bute is wrong in both ways, he will never be ready for Kessler:hey. And Kessler will come to Montreal, no problem :bbb

Decebal

02-01-2008, 03:14 AM

Bute is wrong in both ways, he will never be ready for Kessler:hey. And Kessler will come to Montreal, no problem :bbb

:lol: :good

Maden

02-04-2008, 09:58 AM

randeris

02-04-2008, 10:05 AM

Kessler has gone to Australia and Wales, why should he not go to Montreal?

randeris

02-04-2008, 10:06 AM

Words

02-04-2008, 10:12 AM

I am a Calzaghe fan and Kessler is the ony fighter who really forced Joe to dig deep. I predict that Kessler will be considered ATG material when he finishes his career.

Robin Reid?

RealIzm

02-04-2008, 10:12 AM

Kessler in my opinion still has to prove he didnt contract Lacy's disease....I wish him the best...right now I think Bute-Kessler is a great fight

Fat Tony

02-04-2008, 11:13 AM

Latest news from the Palle camp: "Mads Larsen is not an option for Mikkel Kessler, there is more interesting names out there for Kessler"

Sources points in the way of the palle camp seeking out Romanian Lucian Bute and the winner of Pavlik Vs. Taylor.

Pavlik won't fight him and if Taylor beats Pavlik he'll fight RJJ or Calzaghe - MUCH bigger fights.

And Bute won't fight him in 2008 either.

He should rather face a medicore opponent like Typsko or Larsen than not fighting for a whole year.

PH|LLA

02-04-2008, 11:15 AM

Pavlik won't fight him and if Taylor beats Pavlik he'll fight RJJ or Calzaghe - MUCH bigger fights.

And Bute won't fight him in 2008 either.

He should rather face a medicore opponent like Typsko or Larsen than not fighting for a whole year.
I agree

Just fight anyone for fucks sake people wanna see you in the ring. someone pass that message on to him

HolgerD

02-04-2008, 11:35 AM

The only big name ready to face Kessler now is......hmm.....hmm....still thinking....got it.....Mickey Rourke.

On a serious note: Given his hand is healing well, put him in the ring with a bum he can KO in a spectacular way. There is an old saying along the lines of "Bad advertising is better than no advertising".

michael 901

02-04-2008, 01:54 PM

Kessler rules.
nop calzaghe rules :yep :yep :D

Djarnis

02-05-2008, 10:04 AM

nop calzaghe rules :yep :yep :D

For now.:vonnecunt

Actually I am getting worried, maybe he just had enough and cant find the motivation for fighting bums until he makes the rankings. :roll:

anderslundgaard

02-05-2008, 12:32 PM

From a Danish site:

Mogens Palle: "I think Mikkel will get back in the ring this April or May."

He (Palle) is excited about the outcomes of Pavlik/Taylor II, as well as Hopkins/Calzaghe.

I don't see how the Calzaghe/Hopkins fight would be interesting if Kessler looks to get back in the ring in April or May, since neither Calzaghe or Hopkins is ready for another fight so soon. Besides, I don't think either of them would want to fight Kessler.

Now Pavlik or Taylor is pretty interesting in my opinion. On the other hand, I don't know if Kessler has enough recognition in the US to make a fight with either of them possible. I don't really think so to be honest though.

Decebal

02-05-2008, 12:35 PM

From a Danish site:

Mogens Palle: "I think Mikkel will get back in the ring this April or May."

He (Palle) is excited about the outcomes of Pavlik/Taylor II, as well as Hopkins/Calzaghe.

I don't see how the Calzaghe/Hopkins fight would be interesting if Kessler looks to get back in the ring in April or May, since neither Calzaghe or Hopkins is ready for another fight so soon. Besides, I don't think either of them would want to fight Kessler.

Pavlik or Taylor on the other hand, is pretty interesting in my opinion. On the other hand, I don't know if Kessler has enough recognition in the US to make a fight with either of them possible. I don't really think so to be honest though.

Pipe dreams, I'm afraid. The winner of Pavlik v. Taylor will not fight Kessler and neither will the winner or loser of Calzaghe v. Hopkins. Can anyone see Taylor, if he loses again, fight Kessler? I can't.

Maden

02-05-2008, 01:35 PM

Pavlik won't fight him and if Taylor beats Pavlik he'll fight RJJ or Calzaghe - MUCH bigger fights.

And Bute won't fight him in 2008 either.

He should rather face a medicore opponent like Typsko or Larsen than not fighting for a whole year.

Your logic is fine, but I have a feeling that that team Palle is using all of their ressources to get a named fighter for Kessler. Trying to keep his stock high and toward the American based market.
Larsen doesn´t fit into that profile, so he is not in the picture at the moment.

Don´t expect Kessler in the ring before june/July!

sthomas

02-05-2008, 02:06 PM

Calzeghe's already fighting again. The clock is ticking. Get in the ring Mikkel!

d00k

02-05-2008, 03:09 PM

Can anyone see Taylor, if he loses again, fight Kessler? I can't.

Sure, why not? - Taylor would need to do something impressive to get back into the mix, although it may be a mistake for him.

Maden

02-05-2008, 03:24 PM

Calzeghe's already fighting again. The clock is ticking. Get in the ring Mikkel!

Kessler has undergone hand surgery after the calzaghe fight, so it takes some time before we see him back in the ring. I dont think he will be back in the ring before June!

randeris

02-05-2008, 03:27 PM

Sure, why not? - Taylor would need to do something impressive to get back into the mix, although it may be a mistake for him.

Look at it from Taylors point of view..

Beating Kessler would just be beating the man who lost to Calzaghe and then think about him only having a minor chance at beating him. It would not make sense for him, as much as id like to see him smashed by Mikkel.

THN

02-05-2008, 03:47 PM

Mikkel should just fight someone soon, I don't care who just someone!

randeris

02-05-2008, 04:02 PM

Mikkel should just fight someone soon, I don't care who just someone!

yeah fight Wlad!!

Decebal

02-05-2008, 04:28 PM

Mikkel should just fight someone soon, I don't care who just someone!

He said he'd fight a "name" opponent in summer. We'll have to wait a bit, I'm afraid.

Rubberduck

02-08-2008, 05:23 AM

HolgerD

02-08-2008, 10:14 AM

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Kessler says that he is willing to make his next fight in a new weight class, if a fight can´t be made in SMW.
Besides, he promises to be Worldchamp again. A fight should be arranged within 4-5 months.

Yes. The article says he's willing to go up or down in weight. :skull Personally, I just don't see him go down in weight. Looking at photos of him, there is no weight to drop. I'll bet my right arm he'll go up. Now, what fights will people wan't to see if he goes up?

Decebal

02-08-2008, 10:22 AM

Yes. The article says he's willing to go up or down in weight. :skull Personally, I just don't see him go down in weight. Looking at photos of him, there is no weight to drop. I'll bet my right arm he'll go up. Now, what fights will people wan't to see if he goes up?

I don't think he can or should go down. What he means, though, is that he would be willing to try, if that's what it takes to fight Taylor or Pavlik. I guess he's hoping for catchweight...although I see no reason Pavlik or Taylor would or should agree...

So...it will have to be UP...I guess.

randeris

02-08-2008, 10:25 AM

Decebal

02-08-2008, 10:28 AM

I've said it before and i've said it again; Go fight Edison Miranda, Sakio Bika, Allan Green, Jeff Lacy, Mads Larsen, Anthony Mundine, heck even Peter Manfredo, it just can't be true that neither of these fights can be made?

Bika wouldn't take it...ex-sparring partner, outgunned big-time by Kessler, and injured; Lacy wouldn't take it...not himself yet due to injury, risk/reward awful...looking to fight have-been NAMES at 175, Larsen...not competitive enough...Mundine would never take it...Manfredo...would be a complete disgrace...can only see Green or Miranda taking it...

randeris

02-08-2008, 10:30 AM

Bika wouldn't take it...ex-sparring partner, outgunned big-time by Kessler, and injured; Lacy wouldn't take it...not himself yet due to injury, risk/reward awful...looking to fight have-been NAMES at 175, Larsen...not competitive enough...Mundine would never take it...Manfredo...would be a complete disgrace...can only see Green or Miranda taking it... I agree that Larsen and especially Manfredo should not be made, but if theres nothing else out there, why not?

Decebal

02-08-2008, 10:32 AM

I agree that Larsen and especially Manfredo should not be made, but if theres nothing else out there, why not?

Because it would be humiliating. Kessler will find someone for this summer, better than these two. I am sure of it...don't know who yet, though.

randeris

02-08-2008, 10:36 AM

Because it would be humiliating. Kessler will find someone for this summer, better than these two. I am sure of it...don't know who yet, though. To be honest, i'm not so sure, with Palles slow work. He has done many great things for Kessler, but he does seem to be slowing down, has not made a card in Denmark for a very long time and does not seem to entusiastic.

HolgerD

02-08-2008, 10:38 AM

I've said it before and i've said it again; Go fight Edison Miranda, Sakio Bika, Allan Green, Jeff Lacy, Mads Larsen, Anthony Mundine, heck even Peter Manfredo, it just can't be true that neither of these fights can be made?

I think the problems with the potential fights you mention is that they are not doing anything for Kessler. Winning, he is at status quo. Loosing, he might have a long way back to the top. He need to harvest from the big fight in Wales or fight a low-risk bum. Moving up in weight is certainly the best thing to do IMO. I think his frame and style and other virtues will suit a higher weight class extremely well. The long break he has had before the next fight (4-5 month) is poor planning on behalf of Team Palle, given it wasn't caused solely by his operation of course.

randeris

02-08-2008, 10:41 AM

I think the problems with the potential fights you mention is that they are not doing anything for Kessler. Winning, he is at status quo. Loosing, he might have a long way back to the top. He need to harvest from the big fight in Wales or fight a low-risk bum. Moving up in weight is certainly the best thing to do IMO. I think his frame and style and other virtues will suit a higher weight class extremely well. The long break he has had before the next fight (4-5 month) is poor planning on behalf of Team Palle, given it wasn't caused solely by his operation of course. Beating Edison Miranda would be big in USA, and would make so many more know that he is not just another 'Jeff Lacy' as i've heard stupidly from people on this board.

HolgerD

02-08-2008, 10:46 AM

I agree that Larsen and especially Manfredo should not be made, but if theres nothing else out there, why not?

As for the Mads Larsen fight, recent comments seem to point to some remaining "bad blood" between Mads Larsen and Team Palle, so it will probably not be in the making anytime soon. Team Palle said that Larsen wasn't a big enough name to appear in Kessler's optics and Larsen responded that he doesn't care about Kessler because Kessler has no belts anymore. Larsen wasn't impressed with Kessler's loss to Calzaghe.

Maden

02-08-2008, 10:53 AM

I think the problems with the potential fights you mention is that they are not doing anything for Kessler. Winning, he is at status quo. Loosing, he might have a long way back to the top. He need to harvest from the big fight in Wales or fight a low-risk bum. Moving up in weight is certainly the best thing to do IMO. I think his frame and style and other virtues will suit a higher weight class extremely well. The long break he has had before the next fight (4-5 month) is poor planning on behalf of Team Palle, given it wasn't caused solely by his operation of course.

The only reason for kessler to move up in weight should be if he could get Roy Jones Jr. in the ring. The SMW division is his for the taking, and the division has a lot of depth.

His layoff has nothing to do with poor planning. The story of Kessler is that he is in fact injury prone and has been so since his early days as proffesional. He is a 2 fight a year fighter.

HolgerD

02-08-2008, 10:55 AM

Beating Edison Miranda would be big in USA, and would make so many more know that he is not just another 'Jeff Lacy' as i've heard stupidly from people on this board.

Miranda....perhaps, perhaps. Honestly, I don't know enough about Miranda's current status among the US boxing fans. Maybe you have some sources/links you can point me to?

HolgerD

02-08-2008, 11:01 AM

The only reason for kessler to move up in weight should be if he could get Roy Jones Jr. in the ring. The SMW division is his for the taking, and the division has a lot of depth.

His layoff has nothing to do with poor planning. The story of Kessler is that he is in fact injury prone and has been so since his early days as proffesional. He is a 2 fight a year fighter.

First part:
I see what you mean. Problem is: Nobody want's to fight him in SMW. That's how the weight issue entered the picture in the first place as far as I know.

Second part:
No! His layoff is bad planning unless it was caused by the operation. Kessler is a boxer in his prime and a boxer in his prime should BOX. It's that simple.

Decebal

02-08-2008, 11:06 AM

Maden

02-08-2008, 11:11 AM

First part:
I see what you mean. Problem is: Nobody want's to fight him in SMW. That's how the weight issue entered the picture in the first place as far as I know.

Second part:
No! His layoff is bad planning unless it was caused by the operation. Kessler is a boxer in his prime and a boxer in his prime should BOX. It's that simple.

Get back in the rankings, and people is forced to face him at SMW.

Well if your body can´t handle the pressure of fighting it really doesnt matter how Prime you are!
Bad planning would be forcing Kessler to fight and ending his career to strain injuries!

Like it or not, he is a 2 fight a year fighter!

HolgerD

02-08-2008, 11:20 AM

Get back in the rankings, and people is forced to face him at SMW.

Well if your body can´t handle the pressure of fighting it really doesnt matter how Prime you are!
Bad planning would be forcing Kessler to fight and ending his career to strain injuries!

Like it or not, he is a 2 fight a year fighter!

1) If you were to plan your carreer in accordance with rankings you'll move ahead with the speed of a turtle. Bad idea in my book. If the body-frame is cut out for it I suggest using it for a weight change.

2) How in the world did you reach the conclusion that Kessler is a 2 fights-per-year fighter? How about he learns more about staying healthy and plan his training wisely in terms of protecting himself against long term unjuries?

Maden

02-08-2008, 11:53 AM

1) If you were to plan your carreer in accordance with rankings you'll move ahead with the speed of a turtle. Bad idea in my book. If the body-frame is cut out for it I suggest using it for a weight change.

2) How in the world did you reach the conclusion that Kessler is a 2 fights-per-year fighter? How about he learns more about staying healthy and plan his training wisely in terms of protecting himself against long term unjuries?

It is a known fact that Kessler has been struggling with chronical back pains for years! He himself has expressed that his body can´t handle too much hard fight training. So in that regard he is keeping a 2 fight a year plan to prolong his career.

He is staying as healthy as he can, but you can´t cure chronic disorders with wise training.

A permanent move up in weight makes no sense to me at this point! Kessler is known as the second best at SMW behind JC, he is going to get his chances at becoming champion again. Palle knows how to make the big fights happen!

HolgerD

02-09-2008, 07:06 AM

It is a known fact that Kessler has been struggling with chronical back pains for years! He himself has expressed that his body can´t handle too much hard fight training. So in that regard he is keeping a 2 fight a year plan to prolong his career.

He is staying as healthy as he can, but you can´t cure chronic disorders with wise training.

A permanent move up in weight makes no sense to me at this point! Kessler is known as the second best at SMW behind JC, he is going to get his chances at becoming champion again. Palle knows how to make the big fights happen!

1) "....It's a known fact...". Yeah, to religious people.:smoke

2) "...He is staying...". You might know Kessler better than I do but as far as I can see Kessler has actually become better at taking care of himself. He moved to a healthier climate and makes a case out of eating healthy food. Also, I think he is in contact with a physical therapist on a regular basis. "Chronic"? I don't about that. Source please.

3) "...known as second best....". There is no way in the world Kessler is satisfied with that. He was disappointed after the Calzaghe fight and will IMO do everything he can to redeem himself. Opponents in SMW do not exactly stand in line to fight him. A change of weight could solve that over night.

HolgerD

02-09-2008, 07:50 AM

Team Palle elaborates on the weight issue here (in danish):

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Basically it says that it is unlikely that he'll move down. And, further, that it shouldn't be a problem moving up to light heavy weight. It states that MKs natural weight is SMW though.

Djarnis

02-13-2008, 04:54 AM

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Kessler will visit Vegas, for the Taylor-Pavlik fight, a promotional tour.

stuistylee

02-13-2008, 04:57 AM

i want a kess rematch more than bhop cal...

Bomber

02-13-2008, 05:02 AM

Kessler should stick around at 168, due to the big money fights that could be happening over the next 2 years, Plus I hate fighters that yo-yo around weights.

HolgerD

02-13-2008, 12:01 PM

i want a kess rematch more than bhop cal...

Out of curiousity. Do you have any suggestions as to how it could come about, I mean where and financed by whom?

HolgerD

02-13-2008, 12:05 PM

......Plus I hate fighters that yo-yo around weights.

But why? We are only talking about approximately plus-minus 3.7 kg if I'm not mistaken. It shouldn't be a big deal.

RealIzm

02-13-2008, 12:09 PM

Kessler should stick around at 168, due to the big money fights that could be happening over the next 2 years, Plus I hate fighters that yo-yo around weights.Yea i know what you mean...You must really hate Hopkins :lol: Got stomped twice by Taylor losing his crown in the process..then skips a weight to 175...beats an average Tarver(his only win against a true LHW) and proceeds to hide.. picking and choosing lighter fighters nowhere close to LHW...struggling no less....and now he will be obliterated by Joe

HolgerD

02-13-2008, 12:48 PM

Yea i know what you mean...You must really hate Hopkins :lol: Got stomped twice by Taylor losing his crown in the process..then skips a weight to 175...beats an average Tarver(his only win against a true LHW) and proceeds to hide.. picking and choosing lighter fighters nowhere close to LHW...struggling no less....and now he will be obliterated by Joe

Talking about cutting to the bones!!:D :D Good post!:good

Maxime

02-15-2008, 04:01 AM

Good News!

Kessler is finally ranked by the IBF!

Champion: Lucian Bute
1- NOT RATED
2- Vitaly Tsypko
3- Jurgen Brahmer
4- Robert Stieglitz
5- Librado Andrade
6- Jean Pascal
7- Edison Miranda
8- Mikkel Kessler
9- Alejandro Berrio
10- Sakio Bika
11- Jeff Lacy
12- Allan Green
13- Crisitian Sanavia
14- Danillo Haussler
15- Karoly Balzsay

Decebal

02-15-2008, 04:30 AM

THN

02-15-2008, 07:32 AM

Discusting!

RealIzm

02-15-2008, 07:35 AM

Discusting!Disgusting...disgusting...:-(

HolgerD

02-15-2008, 07:42 AM

:lol: Low enough not to be a threat to Bute yet in an eliminator...a shocking ranking!:-(

Not only shocking but also useless.

Off-topic: Decebal, I had your Clint avatar as a huge poster on my office wall. The boss didn't like the view when he entered the office and asked me to take it down. Love it.;)

Decebal

02-15-2008, 07:47 AM

Not only shocking but also useless.

Off-topic: Decebal, I had your Clint avatar as a huge poster on my office wall. The boss didn't like the view when he entered the office and asked me to take it down. Love it.;)

We had a thread about this a while ago; we decided the IBF wasn't ranking Kessler because of money...

Kessler would not have fought an eliminator for the IBF if he could fight for the title straight away, for the WBO. If they had ranked Kessler, he would only have turned his back on the IBF and fought for the WBO instead, losing the IBF some face. But if he had been ranked for the IBF title shot, without having to fight an eliminator first, there would have been less money for the IBF. So the IBF would have lost on both counts - either face or money. So they decided to lose neither, sticking with Bute, with whom they are tight anyway!:yep

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You like the avatar?:D Here's a bonus for you:

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Astola

02-18-2008, 07:16 PM

:bump

Anything new?

Farmboxer

02-18-2008, 07:17 PM

I wish Kessler that very best. He is a good fighter, not just boxer, but warrior.

IntentionalButt

02-18-2008, 07:19 PM

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196osh

02-18-2008, 07:23 PM

The man is obviously as metal as fuck, :yep

HolgerD

02-19-2008, 03:38 AM

:bump

Anything new?

There seems to be some talks in the planning between Lou DiBella (Jermain Taylor's manager) and Team Palle. Will try to find a reliable source.

BennitheHill

02-19-2008, 03:40 AM

Kessler post Pavlik fight interview:
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Decebal

02-19-2008, 06:59 AM

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Mikkel Kessler = top bloke!

Best of luck, Mikkel!:happy :happy :happy

henrik

02-19-2008, 07:22 AM

IBF got him at number 9!!???
are they completely out off their minds...that piss me off.
EVERYBODY knows that MIKKEL KESSLER is the nr 2 in SMW ANYTHING ELSE IS SILLY....

Decebal

02-19-2008, 08:48 AM

IBF got him at number 9!!???
are they completely out off their minds...that piss me off.
EVERYBODY knows that MIKKEL KESSLER is the nr 2 in SMW ANYTHING ELSE IS SILLY....

:good

PH|LLA

02-19-2008, 01:48 PM

someone post a transcript of that interview pls i have no sound.

Decebal

02-19-2008, 01:52 PM

someone post a transcript of that interview pls i have no sound.

Interviewer asked MK why he was at the Pavlik Taylor fight; Kessler said he was there hoping to get a fight with one of them. "You never know!"

He said he had taken a long break but has started to train again recently.

Spoke about Andrade's brother - "good fighter and gentleman, like Librado".

Decebal

02-19-2008, 05:03 PM

Let's try and guess Mikkel's summer "name" opponent.

Any chance of Mundine?

Miranda?

Allan Green?

BADINTENTIONS2

02-19-2008, 05:28 PM

There seems to be some talks in the planning between Lou DiBella (Jermain Taylor's manager) and Team Palle. Will try to find a reliable source.

kessler's crew did approach winky wright but only to fight at kessler's weight. wright rejected it. but i haven't heard any approach to taylor.

kessler was ringside at taylor - pavlik incidentally.

FRKO

02-19-2008, 05:32 PM

Mikkel Kessler = top bloke!

Best of luck, Mikkel!:happy :happy :happy
Seconded. He's a great guy. Always knew it.

Go Mikkel! :bbb

HolgerD

02-29-2008, 05:34 AM

pecks found this new interview with Kessler: (in English)

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Enjoy!

Decebal

03-08-2008, 06:10 AM

I have written an article about Mikkel and boxing. ESB were kind enough to publish it! What do you think?

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Mikkel Kessler – a hero of boxing – let down and betrayed by the sport that he loves…

By John Alutus: Professional boxing is a business. The risk/reward ratio applies in boxing as readily and as often as it does in investment management. The point of this business is to maximise profits by picking the fights with the smallest potential risk of losing and the greatest reward of winning.. Whilst the fact that boxing is a business should not preclude the maximisation of the level of performance of the fighters involved or the credibility and expansion of the sport ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), given the way this business is regulated, the incentives induced corrupt its ultimate goals. In the end, this is why boxing is losing ground over other martial arts and why, more worryingly, why its very credibility remains limited and even declines in comparison to that of other martial arts, to the frustration of hard-core boxing fans.

The business of professional boxing is failing! There are four main stake-holders in this business: fighters, sanctioning bodies, promoters, commentators and paying customers and all are to blame. Firstly, paying customers (fans) are to blame because they let the hype created by promoters blind them to the real talents, skills and abilities of professional boxers in a way that leads them to reward poor, unworthy contests with their hard-earned cash more than they reward good worthy contests, a lot of the time. Fans often lap up the hype surrounding fights involving big have-been names, past-it legends of the sport, instead of demanding the most meaningful fights out there, involving prime, live, young, hungry contenders. This changes the promoters' incentive structure in a way that leads them to hype up even more poor fights. A vicious circle is created. The defence of the promoters is that if poorer contests weren't getting made, the sport could not support enough combatants to make the talent pool deep enough for the best performers to be truly outstanding and ensure the viability of the business.

Secondly, commentators are to blame because they don't call the promoters' bluff when they are selling fans unworthy poor contests as worthy good contests. Instead, they often collude willingly with promoters and hype the match-ups made by them, defending themselves to their consciences by arguing that to pour cold water over a hyped fight would just alienate casual or potential fans, which boxing needs more of if it is to thrive. This alters the promoters' incentive structure in a way that leads them to hype poor match-ups even more. The vicious circle is made even worse!

Thirdly, fighters are to blame because they agree to play along with their promoters in making fights unworthy of their talents and skills, whilst celebrating meaningless victories as if they meant or should mean something. This feeds back into the promoters' incentive structures leading them to hype even more poor unworthy wins as great worthy wins, clouding the truly great achievements of great fighters involved in great match-ups, instead of highlighting their achievements. Fighters defend their choice to fight poor, unworthy opponents and to overrate the importance of victories over them by invoking the prisoner's dilemma situation they find themselves in. As a result, the vicious circle is made worse still!

All these vicious circles lead to boxing becoming a less and less profitable business compared to other sports ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and thus, to its great potential remaining unrealised. The buck, of course, should stop with the sanctioning body – the regulator. Unfortunately, there is not just one, but four main such bodies and many lesser ones, all vying for supremacy. This in itself is the root of all evil. When their own credibility and legitimacy is questioned, the various governing bodies collude out of an instinct of self-preservation, allowing the degree and extent of moral corrosion at the heart of boxing to increase. Sanctioning bodies defend the decisions that damage the credibility of boxing and its failing popularity by also invoking the prisoner's dilemma. Thus, they argue that if they didn't sanction poor, unworthy voluntary defences, their champion would move to a competitor and they would lose their earnings stream of sanctioning fees. As a result, they argue, all those fighters who fight under their umbrella would earn less for fighting for the belts they put on offer and the sport would suffer as a result. They also defend themselves by arguing that unworthy voluntary defences allow fighters unable to get a legitimate title shot to earn the kind of income required to ensure their participation in the sport and thus, a deep enough talent pool. This creates a feedback mechanism that leads promoters to overprotect their fighters and to pad their records even more. Even worse, it leads to older fighters, long past their best, selling their name, ensuring a trophy win for the hyped young prospect, in fights in which the have-been legends find themselves out-matched and prone to serious long-term injury and destructive brain-damage. The vicious circle, again. Moreover, sanctioning bodies protect their champion from dangerous contenders, by rating the latter too low to get a shot at their famous, big-draw champs. The top stars in the sport also often benefit from partial refereeing and judging, since a single loss on a bad day would lead many of the fans to overreact, damaging the prospects of the former champion. Instead of appreciating skill and performance, these fans, obsessed with the "0" in the loss column – the mark of supposed perfection – are all too ready to proclaim a champion who lost "exposed" or "overrated". It is not surprising therefore when these sanctioned "robberies" on the other hand frustrate sports fans and decrease the credibility of the contest before their eyes to the extent that many of them believe the outcome of the "make-believe fight" to be predetermined according to ready-made story-lines, just like in professional wrestling. And all this while, all the main shareholders, including the regulators, are turning a blind eye to the rot at the heart of boxing, supposedly as a means to an end, "for the sake of the sport", instead of realising that by compromising thus they are in fact condemning their sport and livelihood to a slow, rotting decline.

Fortunately, there are still a few outstanding careers which fail to mould themselves according to this sorry pattern. There are still top fighters who obstinately refuse to play the game, good honest commentators, good promoters and good fans. They all represent the hope of boxing. Unfortunately, the very system is against them! Let me attempt to show how by concentrating on these heroic fighters.

Decebal

03-08-2008, 06:12 AM

Heroic boxers fight the best, giving their all, win or lose, even when the risk/reward ratio associated with their chosen fight is less advantageous to them than the risk/reward ratio associated with the easier, less dangerous alternative match-ups available. In doing so, they put their long-term health and subsequent career at risk to prove their greatness. In doing so, they provide the lifeline that keeps the credibility of the sport afloat, against the odds. One such fighter is former WBA and WBC super-middleweight Champion Mikkel Kessler.

The Danish "Viking Warrior" became WBA title-holder when he beat Manny Siaca at the end of 2004. Siaca's WBA belt was only a paper belt. He won it by getting a split decision against Anthony Mundine when they faced off for the vacant WBA belt. Mikkel Kessler felt he had more to prove so he went off to fight Mundine too, in the Australian's own backyard. Although he suffered a back injury before the fight, he went through with it and won convincingly, by wide decision. After beating another former WBC title holder, Eric Lucas, Kessler fought the then WBC title holder who had won a split decision over Lucas on home turf – Markus Beyer. He stopped Beyer brutally, in the third round. There could now be no doubt Kessler was the rightful holder of the WBA and WBC titles. That also wasn't enough for Mikkel Kessler! He wanted to prove he was the Champion. He wanted to prove he could beat Calzaghe himself.

For the next year, Kessler continued to call Calzaghe out, with little success at first. The Champion was doing his best to ignore the big white elephant in the division, targeting American middleweight Jermain Taylor and former middleweight, light-heavyweight Champion, 42 year-old Bernard Hopkins, instead. Calzaghe felt he would not be recognised in the land of boxing unless he beat an American legend. In the meantime, Kessler outclassed tough-punching, iron-chinned, heart-and-guts warrior Librado Andrade, whilst continuing to call Calzaghe out. Calzaghe failed to secure a fight with either of the big-name Americans, despite utterly thrashing their overhyped compatriot, IBF title holder Jeff "Left Hook" Lacy and outclassing another American, show-pony Peter Manfredo Jr., of "Contender" fame, in a bid to gain the American public's attention. Instead, he ended up having to thank referee Terry O'Connor for sparing both his and Manfredo's blushes by calling a premature stoppage to their most unequal contest.

In this situation, Calzaghe was forced to give in to ever increasing pressure from the hard-core fans and demanded that his risk-averse, unwilling promoter make the fight with Mikkel Kessler. After numerous twists and turns, the fight was made, and Kessler fought Calzaghe in the Champion's backyard, despite suffering a hand-injury two weeks before the fight. No complaints, no delays and no excuses related to his injury from Kessler, either before or after the fight, and this despite the fact it was the biggest fight of his career! The fight was close and very competitive and Calzaghe had to give the best performance of his life to beat the Dane. It was certainly one of the best fights of 2007.

At 35, having defended his WBO belt for 10 years, previously, it took this fight to confirm Calzaghe's greatness and secure his legacy as one of the best fighters of his generation. Kessler's own class shone through; his own border-line elite skills were on display and he became even more highly rated by knowledgeable objective analysts, despite his loss. Ironically, it was his performance against a fellow European that secured Calzaghe's recognition as one of the very best fighters in the world in the eyes of the boxing establishment and fellow boxers in America. The casual American boxing fans remained largely indifferent, however, – after all, neither Calzaghe nor Kessler were American! In many of their eyes, Calzaghe was simply an overprotected slapper with a poor resume and Kessler – just another unknown, overrated Euro-stiff; relatively few even bothered to watch the fight for the undisputed super-middleweight championship of the world. Still, on the back of the final recognition of his performance in the eyes of the powers that were in American boxing, Calzaghe's dream came true – 43-year old Bernard Hopkins generously agreed to fight him in the USA, having ducked him half a dozen years earlier, when Hopkins was still just about in his prime, despite his age at the time.

Thus, Mikkel Kessler had fought all his main rivals in the division within five fights of becoming title-holder and proved to all he had just fallen a bit short of being the best in the division and one of the best boxers in the world.

Having just turned 29 at the weekend, the world should be Mikkel Kessler's oyster, one might think. A heroic figure such as him should be able to continue his ascent towards the peaks of greatness, one might think. Daring to be greater still and falling just short should not condemn him to further suffering and pain, one might perhaps also think. But this is professional boxing! Instead of being given credit for his heroism, for striving to make the big fights, for doing his very best by boxing and his fans, Mikkel Kessler became a marked man. Professional boxing conspired against him. It let him down and betrayed him for daring to be great, for giving his all, for giving the fans what they really wanted! Mikkel Kessler simply cannot get a big fight anymore!

Decebal

03-08-2008, 06:12 AM

Thus, let me turn towards those who let him down, first. After Kessler lost his bargaining chips – his WBA and WBC belts, he called out Pavlik, Taylor and Wright, all middleweights who stated that they wanted the big fights at 168 or who had actually fought at super-middleweight. He also called out all the top fighters in the super-middleweight and light-heavyweight divisions. In the meantime, Pavlik and Taylor fought their rematch. It is not known whether Taylor, who has since moved to 168, has any plans to fight Kessler, but nothing has been arranged so far. Pavlik has rightly decided to take care of business at middleweight - he still has to fight Arthur Abraham, his main competitor. Then, there is Winky Wright – the prima donna! He lost to Hopkins at 170 lbs in a close fight. Clearly, he should not be fighting at higher than 160 lbs. Still, Wright called out Calzaghe, who had just beaten Kessler, sensing the big payday. Kessler, however, beaten by the man who was fighting the man who beat him, Winky Wright, clearly couldn't have been good enough or enough of a draw for Wright himself, since he declined Kessler's offer! None of the big American names in the light-heavyweight division have so far answered Kessler's call, despite the fact they are still highly ranked by American boxing magazines like "The Ring". On paper, according to these rankings, they should beat Kessler. In fact, however, Kessler would most likely beat everyone from 160-175, save Calzaghe and possibly, Chad Dawson, if his chin is indeed better than he has so far proven. I guess this is why they're ducking him!

Let's turn to Kessler's own division – 168, however. Here, he was let down by three fighters. Lucian Bute, the only other holder of a world title that could be unified, save Calzaghe, pleaded inexperience. The very day after the Calzaghe v. Kessler fight, Bute and his trainer declared he still had a long way to go before he would be good enough to give the likes of Calzaghe and Kessler a good run for their money ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). In the meantime, he said he hoped he will have developed and improved sufficiently by 2009 to fight someone of Kessler's talent and ability. We'll hold him to his promise! For his honesty, however, he deserves to be left off the hook, somewhat. Let's hope that the calibre of opposition he chooses for himself from now on in his voluntary defences will be high enough to allow him to improve sufficiently for Kessler by next year. After all, fighting American names for the sake of it didn't do Calzaghe any good! It certainly didn't increase the chance of him fighting Hopkins, for example.

Then, Kessler was let down by Calzaghe himself! Had Calzaghe lost against Kessler, he would of course have expected to be given a rematch. Calzaghe, however, denied Kessler a rematch! Instead of re-matching the man against whom he gave his best ever performance and against whom he proved himself as one of the best of his generation, Calzaghe has decided to fight has-been legend Bernard Hopkins, a 43-year old fighter who, whilst still formidable for his age, is well past his prime. Suffice it to say Calzaghe doesn't think much of his next opponent and is fighting him mainly to prove his American detractors wrong. The latter, surprisingly, still see Calzaghe, the non-American, as the underdog! What is also strange is that Calzaghe insists on believing his legacy would be enhanced more by a demolition of old, faded Hopkins than by another close win over prime Mikkel Kessler, for example. Given that Calzaghe is almost 36 and fading, he also deserves to be let off the hook somewhat. Perhaps Calzaghe simply doesn't believe he would beat Kessler a second time…

The third person who let Kessler down is former IBF super-middleweight champion Jeff Lacy. Lacy is ranked the fourth best fighter in the world at 168 by "The Ring" magazine, which is owned by his promoter Golden Boy Promotions. The American claims he has fully recovered from the shoulder injury which plagued him late last year. He also claims he is ready for a big challenge and eager to impress in his next fight on the 31st of May, after disappointing against Peter Manfredo Jr., barely a top 20 fighter, at the end of 2007. Shouldn't Lacy fight Mikkel Kessler then, to prove he is still a force? Given his high ranking and these statements, he should certainly not refuse Kessler, who called him out directly. It seems however his promoter has lost faith in him; he might indeed be finished at the highest level, as indeed many of us feared. The latest word is that his fight on the 31st of May, on an HBO PPV card, will not even be televised, because his opponent is not a draw. This suggests brave Lacy will not get the chance to prove himself either against Kessler or against Bute, who is also looking for a fight in May.

The one who has let down Kessler most, however, is, without a doubt, Anthony Mundine – the "regular" WBA super-middleweight champion. Let us not forget it was Kessler himself who brought his full WBA title down under to give Mundine a shot at it, in the Australian's back yard, immediately after the Dane became WBA titlist. Why doesn't Mundine return the favour? He could at least put his regular WBA belt at stake – a belt that cannot even be unified as long as Calzaghe remains WBA "Super" Champion. Whatever excuse the other three might have, not to fight Kessler, Mundine doesn't. He is not inexperienced, like Bute. In fact, he claims to be the best fighter in the world full stop, at any division! Not least, he claims he would beat Kessler in a rematch. He is also not too old or faded, like Calzaghe – he is 30 and very much in his prime; in fact, he is better now than he was when Kessler beat him, last time! So, unlike Lacy, he is not finished either... Nor is Mundine suffering the effects of injury. His eye condition, which he used as an excuse to get into the ring with three fighters outside the top 50 one after another in the last year couldn't have affected him; if it had, he wouldn't have been allowed to fight anyone at all! It is hard to find any excuse for Anthony Mundine for not giving Mikkel Kessler a rematch. In fact, with every statement he makes, Mundine only goes further to condemn himself for not doing so!

Decebal

03-08-2008, 06:13 AM

Let us turn now to those who have betrayed Mikkel Kessler. Firstly, he was betrayed by the IBF – one of the four main sanctioning bodies. The IBF ranked Mikkel Kessler 7th in line to become Lucian Bute's mandatory challenger, behind Librado Andrade, for example, a fighter Kessler completely dominated in his second but last fight. Clearly, they have ranked Kessler as low as that to protect their champion, who, by his own admission, wouldn't be ready to face Kessler this autumn, when he is likely to fight his mandatory – the winner of Andrade v. Stieglitz. The earliest Kessler would be able to become mandatory for a shot at the IBF title, the title of his main competitor left in the division, is at the end of 2009… Secondly, he was betrayed by Frank ******'s WBO, where he was rated fourth in line for a shot at the champion.

These betrayals, however, pale into insignificance compared to the betrayal at the hands of the WBA, a body Mikkel Kessler represented with honour and pride as Champion: the WBA ranked Kessler only second in line to a shot at Mundine, after Jurgen Brahmer. What is much worse is that they have not enforced any mandatory challengers against Mundine for a year, nor do they seem to be in a rush to enforce any this summer, giving Mundine free reign to defend against mediocre competition time after time, to the disappointment and stupefaction of his fans. The fact that Mundine does it regularly, however, should please the WBA, who seem to be interested in the sanctioning fees more than they are interested in the fighter that represents them as champion. The WBA could at least announce an eliminator between Brahmer and Kessler to become Mundine's mandatory challenger this summer. Instead, they continue to look away. Not least, Kessler could end up being betrayed even by the fourth main sanctioning organisation, the WBC, whom he represented proudly as Champion as well, if they don't require the winner of the eliminator for the mandatory position between Carl Froch and Denis Inkin to fight third ranked Kessler for the vacant title, when Calzaghe vacates. These last two options could be Kessler's last chances of becoming a titlist this year. Slim hope, alas!

Of course, the sanctioning bodies have nothing personal against Kessler. Unfortunately, due to injury, Mikkel Kessler fights only twice a year, rather than three times a year, as the other champions tend to. This of course means he provides much less in sanctioning fees than the other champions, and sanctioning fees is the bottom line for sanctioning bodies, even when it comes to a hero of boxing, a truly great fighter, like Mikkel Kessler. In boxing, like in life, it only pays to be a hero if you win. But at least in life, a hero is worshipped. In boxing, a hero who dares to be great, gives the fans what they want and gives boxing credibility and a much needed lifeline is ignored, let down and betrayed, not least by the very people who should look after the well-being of the sport. In doing so, they let down the fans and they let down boxing itself…all sold down the river for some silver, to the disgust of the fans. What a disgrace!

Decebal

03-11-2008, 04:53 AM

"Palle´s response - in Danish only at teampalle.dk - to Warrior Boxing´s agressive press release where they claimed that Mikkel Kessler was afraid of facing Edison Miranda is bascially a calm "there are ongoing talks". There´s nothing decided yet on Kessler´s next fight but Team Palle don´t rule out that Miranda could be a future opponent this fall. Stylewise these two shape up well with Miranda´s agression against Kessler´s fine jab and good boxing."

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This fall? Is Mikkel not planning to fight for a whole year? Damn! That's not a good idea! I hope Palle means Mikkel would fight Miranda this fall, after fighting someone else this summer! Mikkel needs at least 2 fights a year; he should really fight three; Bute is planning for four, this year!:!:

henrik

03-11-2008, 05:44 AM

i am simply a huge fan of kessler,and i really hope that mogens palle is doing everything possible to get him in the ring this spring,i would love to see him fight pavlik...
palle is a fool.and if he could,he should have another manager imo,but that will never happen.
palles contracts with his figthers simply dont give the fighter that option.
thats why rudy marcussen can´t get away from palle...and thats why mads larsen had to lay off for several years....its slavery.

IntentionalButt

03-14-2008, 07:32 PM

A big hug from the man himself to the fans!

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:happy

Decebal

03-14-2008, 07:35 PM

A big hug from the man himself to the fans!

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:happy

Where is that pic from? And why are you licking that girl's ear?:bart

IntentionalButt

03-14-2008, 07:44 PM

Where is that pic from? And why are you licking that girl's ear?:bart
That's not me, it's some random (and very tanned) Dane lucky enough to be hug-buddies with Mikkel Kessler. :rofl (and lick-buddies with some Danish cutie).

All us baldies look alike to you? :(

It's from the girl's myspace page; I received an alert because I'd set up a subscription to all activity relating to Mikkel, including other members tagging him in photos... :oops:

Decebal

03-14-2008, 07:48 PM

That's not me, it's some random (and very tanned) Dane lucky enough to be hug-buddies with Mikkel Kessler. :rofl (and lick-buddies with some Danish cutie).

All us baldies look alike to you? :(

It's from the girl's myspace page; I received an alert because I'd set up a subscription to all activity relating to Mikkel, including other members tagging him in photos... :oops:

So...you are e-stalking Mikkel Kessler's friends, are you?:blood

IntentionalButt

03-14-2008, 07:50 PM

So...you are e-stalking Mikkel Kessler's friends, are you?:blood
Well when you put it that way it sounds bad...

Decebal

03-14-2008, 07:51 PM

Well when you put it that way it sounds bad...

Who are those two guys in your avatar?:huh

IntentionalButt

03-14-2008, 07:55 PM

Who are those two guys in your avatar?:huh
:yikes

Johnny Lee Tapia and Marco Antonion Barrera...

Who are those two guys in your avatar? :huh

Decebal

03-14-2008, 07:58 PM

:yikes

Johnny Lee Tapia and Marco Antonion Barrera...

Who are those two guys in your avatar? :huh

MAB I thought I recognised...the other guy: :conf

IntentionalButt

03-14-2008, 07:59 PM

MAB I thought I recognised...the other guy: :conf

:twisted:

Kq_5ySy8dxI

Decebal

03-14-2008, 08:02 PM

:twisted:

Kq_5ySy8dxI

Don't like him...:bart

He reminds me of Black Eyes To You...:barf

IntentionalButt

03-14-2008, 08:15 PM

Don't like him...:bart

He reminds me of Black Eyes To You...:barf
You're breaking my heart, extracting it by rusty butterknife, and urinating in the hole. :verysad

Tapia was a fantastic fighter in his day, mate. And while he had his demons in his personal life, he was no VRWC member. :bart

uppa kut

03-14-2008, 11:25 PM

Any truth to the rumor he only wants 5-6 more fights before retirement?

uppa kut

03-14-2008, 11:29 PM

:twisted:

Kq_5ySy8dxI

Man, those trumpets in the video give me nightmares of elementary school music class:yikes

Decebal

04-05-2008, 04:05 AM

Any news? What is going on? When is Mikkel fighting Mundine?

Astola

04-05-2008, 06:07 AM

Any news? What is going on? When is Mikkel fighting Mundine?

Nobody knows anything.

But its become rather obvous that The Palle's attempt to get Mundine to quit from the Soliman fight has failed, making Kesslers strategy one of the dumbest in recent years management history.

I think they will try to beg Miranda and Showtime or anybody with a name to fight now.

Kessler should sack his useless, shitty management and go for the following opponents:

Miranda
Winky
Taylor
Bute
Pavlik
Dawson

He should get in the ring before the end of June - otherwise he will have lost too much credibillity among the casual fans.

Decebal

04-05-2008, 06:11 AM

Nobody knows anything.

But its become rather obvous that The Palle's attempt to get Mundine to quit from the Soliman fight has failed, making Kesslers strategy one of the dumbest in recent years management history.

I think they will try to beg Miranda and Showtime or anybody with a name to fight now.

Kessler should sack his useless, shitty management and go for the following opponents:

Miranda
Winky
Taylor
Bute
Pavlik
Dawson

He should get in the ring before the end of June - otherwise he will have lost too much credibillity among the casual fans.

Won't the WBA force Mundine to fight Kessler in his next fight?

Astola

04-05-2008, 06:11 AM

And btw - I read in a newspaper that quoted Palle for saying that Kessler-Mundine 2 never will happen.

Again - making their two horses strategy look, at best, plain insane.

Astola

04-05-2008, 06:12 AM

Won't the WBA force Mundine to fight Kessler in his next fight?

I think Mundine will either move to LHW or even retire.

Decebal

04-05-2008, 06:12 AM

And btw - I read in a newspaper that quoted Palle for saying that Kessler-Mundine 2 never will happen.

Again - making their two horses strategy look, at best, plain insane.

:yikes :yikes :yikes

What?

Are you serious?

Why would it never happen?

What is going on?

Kessler is No.1 contender for Mundine's belt; why would it never happen?:huh

Decebal

04-05-2008, 06:13 AM

I think Mundine will either move to LHW or even retire.

If he does that, he will have become a complete joke, after giving us the spiel about being willing to fight the best and being ducked by them all...etc.

Astola

04-05-2008, 06:15 AM

:yikes :yikes :yikes

What?

Are you serious?

Why would it never happen?

What is going on?

Kessler is No.1 contender for Mundine's belt; why would it never happen?:huh

Maybe its just another dogshit comin out of Palles mouth - who knows, really. But here is a link where Palle is quoted for saying that Mundine will move to lhw after he beats Soliman - vacating the belt.

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Decebal

04-05-2008, 06:18 AM

Maybe its just another dogshit comin out of Palles mouth - who knows, really. But here is a link where Palle is quoted for saying that Mundine will move to lhw after he beats Soliman - vacating the belt.

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Maybe he is just putting pressure on Mundine to make the fight happen, by suggesting such a preposterous strategy - fans are bound tobe scandalised by this suggestion and to call for Mundine to fight Kessler straight away - look, we're doing it now - Palle's strategy is working!;)

Astola

04-05-2008, 06:20 AM

Maybe he is just putting pressure on Mundine to make the fight happen, by suggesting such a preposterous strategy - fans are bound tobe scandalised by this suggestion and to call for Mundine to fight Kessler straight away - look, we're doing it now - Palle's strategy is working!;)

Maybe - I hope for SOMETHING to happen. Soon.

Im getting very tired of this bullshit. And their amateur'ish ways of communicating. Its almost absurd.

teke

04-05-2008, 07:06 AM

I think Mundine will either move to LHW or even retire.Where did you pull that one from

Mundine aint retiring or moving up.

HolgerD

04-05-2008, 07:08 AM

Maybe he is just putting pressure on Mundine to make the fight happen, by suggesting such a preposterous strategy - fans are bound tobe scandalised by this suggestion and to call for Mundine to fight Kessler straight away - look, we're doing it now - Palle's strategy is working!;)

I like your opportunism on behalf of Palle. Unfortunately Palle has shown before that he has trouble thinking two steps ahead let alone one step.
Let's hope for the best, but don't be surprised.:good

HolgerD

04-05-2008, 07:10 AM

Where did you pull that one from :rofl

Mundine aint retiring or moving up.

My guess:

LHW? That could be a logical step to avoid Kessler.

Retiring? Pulled out of the big blue skye.

Decebal

04-05-2008, 07:11 AM

I like your opportunism on behalf of Palle. Unfortunately Palle has shown before that he has trouble thinking two steps ahead let alone one step.
Let's hope for the best, but don't be surprised.:good

If he cannot get a fight for Kessler - a proper fight or at least a stay busy fight against a Top 30 opponent for June at the latest, Palle better retire, or Kessler better leave him!

HolgerD

04-05-2008, 07:12 AM

If he cannot get a fight for Kessler - a proper fight or at least a stay busy fight against a Top 30 opponent for June at the latest, Palle better retire, or Kessler better leave him!

:good

teke

04-05-2008, 07:18 AM

My guess:

LHW? That could be a logical step to avoid Kessler.

Retiring? Pulled out of the big blue skye.Mundine and Kessler will fight again i will bet my life on it.

Mundine has wanted the fight for a long time.

HolgerD

04-05-2008, 07:30 AM

Mundine and Kessler will fight again i will bet my life on it.

Mundine has wanted the fight for a long time.

There are millions of reasons why Mundine should take it. The issue of short warning is lame because Mundine was already preparing for Soliman right. Come on Mundine, just say yes and you have a super great chance of making it real big.
The soft spot here is probably how to treat Soliman with some respect?:lol:

teke

04-05-2008, 07:39 AM

There are millions of reasons why Mundine should take it. The issue of short warning is lame because Mundine was already preparing for Soliman right. Come on Mundine, just say yes and you have a super great chance of making it real big.
The soft spot here is probably how to treat Soliman with some respect?:lol:Cant you wait another couple of months for them to fight.

Why in the world Mundine would scrap a contracted fight that he has been training for and already signed to do for a fight with someone else on short notice is silly.

Kessler and his team fucked up and should look elsewhere til after the Sam fight.

Decebal

04-05-2008, 07:43 AM

Cant you wait another couple of months for them to fight.

Why in the world Mundine would scrap a contracted fight that he has been training for and already signed to do for a fight with someone else on short notice is silly.

Kessler and his team fucked up and should look elsewhere til after the Sam fight.

No!:bart

Mundine should drop everything and fight Kessler in May/June.

:deal

teke

04-05-2008, 07:48 AM

No!:bart

Mundine should drop everything and fight Kessler in May/June.

:dealThere you have it, he should :yep:deal

Decebal

04-05-2008, 08:02 AM

There you have it, he should :yep:deal

He should for the following reasons:

1.He's beaten Soliman twice before - Soliman is not going to do anything this time around either - he's finished anyway...
2.Mundine has been fighting useless defences for 13 months in row...
3. Mundine has been promissing a big fight would be round the corner for ages, whilst still fighting no-hopers
4. Choc: I want to fight anyone, anytime, anywhere but they all duck me, man! ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
5. Mundine has been saying how much he has been wanting a rematch with Kessler for ages
6. Kessler is the No. 1 Contender, finally!
7. Kessler is desperate for this fight and gave up a fight on US TV against hyped up Miranda to fight Mundine straight away!!!

etc.etc.

In conclusion: Choc "The Man" Mundine needs to MAN UP! No more bullshit, no more excuses, no more promises - MAN UP!
:deal :deal :deal

If he doesn't do it now, even his long-suffering hard-core fans will, I am sure, think he is a JOKE!

Decebal

04-05-2008, 08:02 AM

good article, except for "Perhaps Calzaghe simply doesn't believe he would beat Kessler a second time… ", where you sound like a very lopsided kessler fan.

"Perhaps"!;)

HolgerD

04-05-2008, 08:08 AM

.....Why in the world Mundine would scrap a contracted fight that he has been training for and already signed to do for a fight with someone else on short notice is silly......

Teke, if you are not happy with all the reasons Decebels gave I'll jump on and give you a few more.:lol:

teke

04-05-2008, 08:13 AM

He should for the following reasons:

1.He's beaten Soliman twice before - Soliman is not going to do anything this time around either - he's finished anyway...
2.Mundine has been fighting useless defences for 13 months in row...
3. Mundine has been promissing a big fight would be round the corner for ages, whilst still fighting no-hopers
4. Choc: I want to fight anyone, anytime, anywhere but they all duck me, man! ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
5. Mundine has been saying how much he has been wanting a rematch with Kessler for ages
6. Kessler is the No. 1 Contender, finally!
7. Kessler is desperate for this fight and gave up a fight on US TV against hyped up Miranda to fight Mundine straight away!!!

etc.etc.

In conclusion: Choc "The Man" Mundine needs to MAN UP! No more bullshit, no more excuses, no more promises - MAN UP!
:deal :deal :deal

If he doesn't do it now, even his long-suffering hard-core fans will, I am sure, think he is a JOKE!what take a fight on 8-10 weeks notice, even you arent that stupid to think that.

How about Bute face him...oh yeah thats right, wee little Bute isnt ready yet :lol:

teke

04-05-2008, 08:15 AM

Just wait a few more months fellas and stop trying cover up the mistake that was made by Kesslers team :deal

Decebal

04-05-2008, 08:17 AM

what take a fight on 8-10 weeks notice, even you arent that stupid to think that.

How about Bute face him...oh yeah thats right, wee little Bute isnt ready yet :lol:

Ehm...wasn't he training for Soliman anyway?:huh

Why, isn't 10 weeks enough??:think

When WAS he planning to fight Soliman, then...at the end of July?:huh

Decebal

04-05-2008, 08:18 AM

Come on, teke...admit it...you think he should fight Kessler in June/early July too!

Decebal

04-05-2008, 08:19 AM

Looks like we've REALLY upset teke...

:sad2

THN

04-05-2008, 08:22 AM

I'ts time to show the world that the "man" is a man

Decebal

04-05-2008, 08:24 AM

teke?:?

teke

04-05-2008, 08:40 AM

Decebelle, they will fight so leave it at that. Us fans arent gonna change a thing.

Decebal

04-05-2008, 08:41 AM

Decebelle, they will fight so leave it at that. Us fans arent gonna change a thing.

:think

HolgerD

04-05-2008, 08:59 AM

I wanna hear news from Mundine NOW! :spy

HolgerD

04-05-2008, 09:10 AM

Can WBA play a role at all here??:think I was thinking in terms of threats or sanctions?

THN

04-05-2008, 09:35 AM

Decebelle, they will fight so leave it at that. Us fans arent gonna change a thing.

Damn it :twisted:

Dojo

04-05-2008, 10:23 AM

Can WBA play a role at all here??:think I was thinking in terms of threats or sanctions?

I doubt it. When was Kess made Chocs mandatory, like 4-5 days ago?
I'd say the WBA will make sure that we have Mundine v Kess after the Soliman fight.

THN

04-05-2008, 10:59 AM

Actually respects this - why should Mundine be bothered about Kessler and Teampalle f... it up. Only reason should be Mundines poor matchmaking for the last year. Respects Mundine as a fighter - not as "A Man".
But why did Teampalle not just signed the US-fight against Miranda and then hopefully a fight against Taylor. After these fights, Kessler could demand every fight he wanted. The HBO/showtime would put pressure on all the Belt-owners to step up to face Kessler. Every boxing fan knows this, so whats the problems?. Mogens Palle old/sick and don't want to go to US but make big money fights at home?. Respectable trainer/and a second father to Kessler Richard Olsen, who only speaks danish, don't wants to leave Denmark/a real Christianshavns-dreng!!!!.
Kessler - who everybody knows is really a good guy who respects Palle and Olsen allot - maybe it is just time to leave the native home-soil??. Kessler - you are now a big star in the making.
Only way now is to look a head. The boxing-world awaits big things! :bbb :bbb :bbb :thumbsup
:good :deal

Decebal

05-02-2008, 01:10 PM

Any news?:huh

youngmonzon

05-02-2008, 01:12 PM

Any news?:huh

When will Kessler fight again???

I like him and he has loads of potential, but he has been inactive way too long. He is wasting his career. He needs to fight and fight often.

Decebal

05-02-2008, 01:13 PM

When will Kessler fight again???

I like him and he has loads of potential, but he has been inactive way too long. He is wasting his career. He needs to fight and fight often.

It seems he gets injured and suffers from backproblems if he fights often...but twice a year is a must, that is certain.

Dojo

05-02-2008, 01:13 PM

Any news?:huh

Been a while since this thread popped up.:lol:

All I'm hearing is about
Choc training in the States with RJS, and now he'll be moving to 160 after the Soliman bout.

Dojo

05-02-2008, 01:15 PM

It seems he gets injured and suffers from backproblems if he fights often...but twice a year is a must, that is certain.

Indeed, it's been a while since Dec...

He really should've fought Miranda, couldn't see him losing it.

Brian123

05-02-2008, 04:03 PM

Decebal

05-02-2008, 04:12 PM

Been a while since this thread popped up.:lol:

All I'm hearing is about
Choc training in the States with RJS, and now he'll be moving to 160 after the Soliman bout.

:good

Decebal

05-02-2008, 04:12 PM

Indeed, it's been a while since Dec...

He really should've fought Miranda, couldn't see him losing it.

yeah...he screwed up there...

ad82

05-02-2008, 04:33 PM

Agreed.
How much will it take to buy him out?
Is there any other examples of boxers being nought out of contracts?
He would be mad to do that. He earns several million euros per fight (6 for the JC fight). Miranda's promoter's had a fit when he turned down less than $400k to fight Miranda! It's a different ball game...Kessler can draw over 20,000 in Copenhagen so why should he fight in the US for less money? A lot less money at that.

I'm a Calzaghe fan but I have become a big Kessler fan since the JC fight. He fought with such heart it was amazing, he made so many new fans that night.

BADINTENTIONS2

05-02-2008, 04:37 PM

It seems he gets injured and suffers from backproblems if he fights often...but twice a year is a must, that is certain.

i never heard about these probhlems and i live in denmark.

it certainly wasn't the reason why mogens palle pulled him from the miranda fight.

Decebal

05-02-2008, 05:00 PM

i never heard about these probhlems and i live in denmark.

it certainly wasn't the reason why mogens palle pulled him from the miranda fight.

No...it wasn't the reason, but Kessler has historically suffered from backproblems...they have affected his fight preparations and ability to fight often. He fought with a bad back against Mundine, for example.

IntentionalButt

05-02-2008, 05:38 PM

Cruiser1

05-02-2008, 07:18 PM

I'm officially rooting for Abraham to end Miranda's career now. His fanboys' new hobby of pissing on Mikkel has gone too far and too long. :(

And I used to be a pretty big fan of Pantera :shock: (...before he shit the bed against Pavlik)

The nerve of the Miranda fans to try and discredit Kessler amazed me. I wasn't posting for a while cuz I was bogged down with schoolwork but I would peek at the message board here and there and I would see threads dedicated to knocking Kessler. I mean we're talking about 2 very different fighters here. One is a crude, hard-hitting fighter with very little credentials outside of knocking out some B and C level fighters on ESPN2 and a technically superior former unified champ who hadn't lost more than 6 rounds in 39 professional fights prior to the Calzaghe loss, which was no blowout. The disparity was so glaring that if people actually took the time to look they would see that Miranda had no right to talk. The whole thing was ridiculous. Kessler didn't have a belt and Miranda wasn't his mandatory. You're just gonna fabricate rivalries now? Miranda should have been focusing on trying to secure a title fight or getting another crack at Pavlik.

drvooh

05-02-2008, 10:41 PM

He should sign with a American promoter like Top Rank or something. Base himself over there and get his comeback fight against someone like Hanshaw or Green. good pernt.:good

TFFP

05-02-2008, 11:06 PM

The longboat will be stopping at Iceland right? I'm onboard with my fellow Viking :yep

THN

05-02-2008, 11:14 PM

PH|LLA

05-03-2008, 01:52 AM

its been 6 months now and not even a fight in sight.

IntentionalButt

05-03-2008, 02:42 AM

The nerve of the Miranda fans to try and discredit Kessler amazed me. I wasn't posting for a while cuz I was bogged down with schoolwork but I would peek at the message board here and there and I would see threads dedicated to knocking Kessler. I mean we're talking about 2 very different fighters here. One is a crude, hard-hitting fighter with very little credentials outside of knocking out some B and C level fighters on ESPN2 and a technically superior former unified champ who hadn't lost more than 6 rounds in 39 professional fights prior to the Calzaghe loss, which was no blowout. The disparity was so glaring that if people actually took the time to look they would see that Miranda had no right to talk. The whole thing was ridiculous. Kessler didn't have a belt and Miranda wasn't his mandatory. You're just gonna fabricate rivalries now? Miranda should have been focusing on trying to secure a title fight or getting another crack at Pavlik.

:good

HolgerD

05-03-2008, 06:00 AM

Kessler said that he wants to fight in USA next, train in USA to find new ways and inspiration. I would like to know whats happening ?
He should fight soon, and I don't care who he'll fight, just get it on!:bbb

That's the problem! Jack shit is happening and Kessler's management deserves to be "burned alive" or :hang for that. It's such a waste of a prime fighters limited time....an utter shame. I wish some one with access to Kessler can convince him to leave Team Palle with a thank you and :finger5 .

Rubberduck

05-03-2008, 09:15 AM

Kessler gør klar til kamp

Den danske bokser Mikkel Kessler begynder i næste uge den hårde træning frem mod sin næste kamp. Stald Palle har dog endnu ikke fundet hans kommende modstander.

Ritzau /Sport ([Only registered and activated users can see links])Translation:

Mikkel Kessler is preparing for battle.
The Danish fighter, Mikkel Kessler will start his tough training next week
for his next fight. Team Palle is yet to find his next opponent.
He expexts to fight in June.

- 14:28 - 03. maj. 2008Hmm, I don´t know what to say to this. Could they have started negotiations with some one in particular? You shouldn´t think Kessler would start training officially unless they have something lined up..

oksehud

05-03-2008, 09:18 AM

On Team Palles official website, there is a piece about Kessler, written today.

In the piece, Kessler states, that his greatest dream would be to spend the summer with a WC-belt.
He also states, that his promoters are putting together a "masterplan" to make him worldchamp before the end of june....

-I like his enthusiam, but I have little confidence in the "materplans" of Team Palle....:verysad

Rubberduck

05-03-2008, 09:21 AM

Fat Tony

05-03-2008, 09:22 AM

-I like his enthusiam, but I have little confidence in the "materplans" of Team Palle....:verysad

Same here.

I guess his next opponent will be a contender hype or a no-hoper like Danilo Häußler.

HolgerD

05-05-2008, 07:27 AM

Mikkel Kessler is preparing for battle.
The Danish fighter, Mikkel Kessler will start his tough training next week for his next fight. Team Palle is yet to find his next opponent. He expexts to fight in June.

"...yet to find his next opponent....". :huh . It sounds as if it could be one from the local bar. Well, I guess it doesn't really matter at this point, as long as we get to see some action. :good

Oh! By the way. If you read this Team Palle. How about trying to plan two fights ahead next time around. I mean, just in case...... . It can't be that hard. You either take a dump or get off the pot!

Maden

05-05-2008, 11:57 AM

Latest news: Kessler is fighting on the 21 of June in denmark! In a world championship fight against an opponent who will be announced on wedensday.

Bettina Palle states: We have worked towards getting Mikkel Kessler back to the biggest fights against the biggest names in boxing.

HolgerD

05-05-2008, 11:59 AM

New Press Release from Today (source BT.dk):

In danish:
Mikkel Kessler kan efter en veloverstået operation af højrehånden nu se frem til at få sin store drøm om en ny VM-kamp til at gå i opfyldelse.

Det sker i en storstilet VM-kamp den 21. juni, skriver Team Palle i en pressemeddelelse.

- Jeg er indstillet på at gennemgå et meget skrapt træningsprogram. Det er klart, at
absolut intet i mine forberedelser må overlades til tilfældighederne, nu da jeg har fået min store drøm om en ny VM-kamp opfyldt – og endda inden Skt. Hans, siger Mikkel Kessler.

Modstanderen vil dog først blive offentliggjort på et pressemøde den 7. maj.

Promoter Bettina Palle garanterer dog, at der bliver tale om et af de helt store navne, som den tidligere danske champ skal møde.

English Translation (my attempt):
After having recuperated well after hand surgery Mikkel Kessler now look forward to fulfilling his big dream of becoming World Champ again.

It's going to take place in a big fight on 21. of june according to Team Palle.

"Mikkel says he's ready to undertake a severe training regime for the fight." He continues. "Nothing should be left to chance now that I finally got my dream of another world title fight fulfilled."

The opponent will be announced on 7. of May.

Promotor Bettina Palle garanties an opponent found among the absolute top fighters.

-------------------------------
FINALLY!!! :good

sthomas

05-05-2008, 12:02 PM

New Press Release from Today (source BT.dk):

In danish:
Mikkel Kessler kan efter en veloverstået operation af højrehånden nu se frem til at få sin store drøm om en ny VM-kamp til at gå i opfyldelse.

Det sker i en storstilet VM-kamp den 21. juni, skriver Team Palle i en pressemeddelelse.

- Jeg er indstillet på at gennemgå et meget skrapt træningsprogram. Det er klart, at
absolut intet i mine forberedelser må overlades til tilfældighederne, nu da jeg har fået min store drøm om en ny VM-kamp opfyldt – og endda inden Skt. Hans, siger Mikkel Kessler.

Modstanderen vil dog først blive offentliggjort på et pressemøde den 7. maj.

Promoter Bettina Palle garanterer dog, at der bliver tale om et af de helt store navne, som den tidligere danske champ skal møde.

English Translation (my attempt):
After having recuperated well after hand surgery Mikkel Kessler now look forward to fulfilling his big dream of becoming World Champ again.

It's going to take place in a big fight on 21. of june according to Team Palle.

"Mikkel says he's ready to undertake a severe training regime for the fight." He continues. "Nothing should be left to change now that I finally got my dream of another world title fight fulfilled."

The opponent will be announced on 7. of May.

Promotor Bettina Palle garanties an opponent found among the absolute top fighters.

-------------------------------
FINALLY!!! :good

It's gotta happen!!!!! Please!!!! Any idea who his opponenet is?

Maden

05-05-2008, 12:04 PM

Now who can it be? Froch maybe? (Would he really come to Denmark)? Is he a top fighter?

Mundine No!
Bute No!
Calzaghe No!

Hmm who can it be=?

HolgerD

05-05-2008, 12:13 PM

Now who can it be? Froch maybe? (Would he really come to Denmark)? Is he a top fighter?

Mundine No!
Bute No!
Calzaghe No!

Hmm who can it be=?

I created a thread where folks can guess. Thought it might do for 48 hours of fun until the announcement. Go there and take a guess if you like.

teke

05-05-2008, 12:41 PM

Seeing as though Mundine has some news to tell next week, :think:think:think:think

Im a happy happy man

teke

05-05-2008, 12:45 PM

nah just joking its not mundine

Hermit

05-05-2008, 02:16 PM

Oh! By the way. If you read this Team Palle. How about trying to plan two fights ahead next time around. I mean, just in case...... . It can't be that hard. You either take a dump or get off the pot!

Pavlik has come under fire because Arum is doing exactly this. Like I stated elsewhere, it is a GOOD THING for a promotor to be looking ahead. If is a BAD THING for a fighter to do the same. ;) Arum has proved that his plans are very fluid and have already been changed several times. Duddy was scrapped because he wouldn't be ready by June? Guess when Duddy's next fight is? ;)

HolgerD

06-03-2008, 11:33 AM

I've heard, second hand, that Team Palle is going to talk to ****** at The Hall of fame meeting in New York soon about a possible Calzaghe-KesslerII in 2009.

Also that the RJJ camp have reached reality talks with the Kessler camp concerning a fight to take place in the US or Denmark and hosted by the HBO.

Can anyone confirm this second hand info???

Maden

06-03-2008, 12:34 PM

HolgerD

06-03-2008, 12:43 PM

Calzaghe-Kessler II is far off.

But I can confirm the later part of your post!

Do you have anything that indicates ****** will dislike the idea right away? Just curious. My personal impression is that Palle knows it's a long shot but one can always ask.

Maden

06-03-2008, 01:09 PM

Do you have anything that indicates ****** will dislike the idea right away? Just curious. My personal impression is that Palle knows it's a long shot but one can always ask.

The idea is not a new one... And ****** is not hostile towards the idea... IF Kessler beats RJJ and Calzaghe gets by Pavlik then there is a slight possibillity that Calzghe - Kessler II could be made!

But in the end it would be up to Calzaghe, and I doubt that he has any interest in fighting Kessler again.

Faetter_BR

06-03-2008, 02:23 PM

The idea is not a new one... And ****** is not hostile towards the idea... IF Kessler beats RJJ and Calzaghe gets by Pavlik then there is a slight possibillity that Calzghe - Kessler II could be made!

But in the end it would be up to Calzaghe, and I doubt that he has any interest in fighting Kessler again.

Well if he can get another 5-6M$ for Calzaghe-Kessler II - then I can think of a few reasons :)

IntentionalButt

06-03-2008, 02:35 PM

:ibutt

Maden

06-03-2008, 02:39 PM

Well if he can get another 5-6M$ for Calzaghe-Kessler II - then I can think of a few reasons :)

He can get that amount fighting nearly anybody at this point of his carreer. The brits would come in massive numbers to see Calzaghe in what seems to be his last fight.

A showdown between Calzaghe and Froch is as marketable as a Calzaghe - Kessler II.

Samurai

06-03-2008, 02:50 PM

KilltheKing

06-03-2008, 04:51 PM

Bawk!

langshof

06-05-2008, 12:32 AM

Kessler has brought L.A. trainer Jimmy Montoya to Copenhagen to help him get ready for the Sartison fight. Jimmy trained Kessler in the Big Bear training camp. It's reeeeally nice to see that he's looking for new inspiration. After all, Richard Olsen has been his trainer for all of his career so far.

IntentionalButt

09-21-2008, 04:04 PM

Any news, Vikes? :D

Astola

09-21-2008, 04:18 PM

Yes. Old news. He is fighting the highly regarded Danilo Haussler soon.

Haussler will get knocked out and Kessler's 2008 is just completely wasted.

I think they are going after Taylor or Bute in the spring 2009.

IntentionalButt

09-21-2008, 04:20 PM

I meant any training updates for the Haussler fight like there were before Sartison. :(