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The following is a quote from Randy Couture (javascript:void(0)), which appeared in a blog entry from The Houston Chronicle (javascript:void(0))'s Steve Sievert:
"We got an official offer from M-1 to the UFC to do a co-promotion for the Couture-Emelianenko fight, and they (UFC) rejected that offer. Really, the only thing standing in the way for that fight right now is Dana (javascript:void(0)) and the UFC. Obviously, M-1 is happy to do a co-promotion like that. It only serves to help them. I think the UFC is looking at it the other way, and it's like why do we want to help out another organization? The fans want to see that fight. At some point, you have to put that first."
amhlilhaus
12-21-2007, 07:34 PM
anyone who thought dana the dipshit would copromote with anyone is living in their own world, a one without reason.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
12-23-2007, 12:29 AM
Well... I can see the UFC's view here. They gave Fedor a huge money offer that he turned down... Randy resigns and runs their name through the mud... M-1 starts up and signs Fedor..... And now they expect the UFC to co-promote this fight, putting M-1 under their HUGE spotlight? Of course M-1 would want this, they are an upstart with no fan base yet. The UFC has everything in MMA at it's fingertips... so of course they would want to leach off of that. I don't blame the UFC for this move. Of course I would LOVE to see this fight, however you can't expect UFC to take a few slaps in the face, and then give a huge publicity hand out to M-1 (rival org), Fedor (turned them down), Randy (resigned from the company).
Yep. UFC would also have a lot to lose considering they expect Fedor to win.. After all, if they expected Couture to win, this could be a match co promoted that could drive a nail in the coffin of M-1..
scurlaruntings
12-24-2007, 05:34 PM
Yep. UFC would also have a lot to lose considering they expect Fedor to win.. After all, if they expected Couture to win, this could be a match co promoted that could drive a nail in the coffin of M-1..Exactly.Theres pro`s and cons that swing both ways.Either way Fedor Couture is GREAT for MMA.Putting the UFC and M-1 aside MMA NEEDS this fight.Right now the MMA lansdscape is VERY quiet.Because the UFC is pretty much MMA right now and the coverage in the east is less and less now there is no premier org, its shows have got thinner, and there has been a distinct lack of consistency.If the UFC wants its candle to continue to burn Dana will make Fedor Couture.But alas theres more chance of pork chops growing on the palm tree`s of Tel Aviv.
curmudgeon
12-24-2007, 06:44 PM
Well... I can see the UFC's view here. They gave Fedor a huge money offer that he turned down... Randy resigns and runs their name through the mud... M-1 starts up and signs Fedor..... And now they expect the UFC to co-promote this fight, putting M-1 under their HUGE spotlight? Of course M-1 would want this, they are an upstart with no fan base yet. The UFC has everything in MMA at it's fingertips... so of course they would want to leach off of that. I don't blame the UFC for this move. Of course I would LOVE to see this fight, however you can't expect UFC to take a few slaps in the face, and then give a huge publicity hand out to M-1 (rival org), Fedor (turned them down), Randy (resigned from the company).
Option B: Couture wriggles out of UFC handcuffs..err. contract, and M1 does the promotion for this very anticipated match on its own.
LONE WOLF
12-26-2007, 07:56 PM
Fedor will fight Couture in Oct of 2008, when Couture's contract expires. UFC is dumb to turn this offer down, because they will get jack shit when that happens. They are just stalling.
ufoalf
12-26-2007, 08:13 PM
Fedor will fight Couture in Oct of 2008, when Couture's contract expires. UFC is dumb to turn this offer down, because they will get jack shit when that happens. They are just stalling.
? I could've swore Couture's contract ends in summer.
? I could've swore Couture's contract ends in summer.
his fighting contract expires...but he also has other clauses like commentary and something else I believe. I'll bet Dana is having a fit just thinking about this.....I'm sure he'll try something or he'll miss the train.
ufoalf
12-26-2007, 08:50 PM
his fighting contract expires...but he also has other clauses like commentary and something else I believe. I'll bet Dana is having a fit just thinking about this.....I'm sure he'll try something or he'll miss the train.
Well does his commentary/promotional contract prevents him from fighting in other orgs.? Then again after reading what Fedor said about his contract it wouldn't be too surprising.
theunderdog
12-26-2007, 10:15 PM
Fuck Dana
Beebs
12-26-2007, 11:10 PM
? I could've swore Couture's contract ends in summer.
Hopefully that is how its viewed, but likely he will lose a legal battle as he was contracted for 3 fights over a time period, if he refuses to complete those fights he doesn't really have a legal leg to stand on.
ufoalf
12-26-2007, 11:12 PM
Yea, it comes down to the details of the contract which we have no info.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
12-27-2007, 01:26 AM
Randy will not get out of his contract without finishing the number of fights that he agreed to. The UFC has to hold up their end of the deal, by providing Couture with fights that he can take. They have already held up their end by offering Couture to fight Nog. Couture's contract will not just run out do to the time limit, when he refused to fight his contracted number of fights.
When the contracts are drawn up, they are for a certain number of fights, which are assured by the UFC to be given in a certain amount of time. The UFC would be in breach of contract if they didn't make the number of fights available to the fighter within that time frame... however, the fighter is in breach of contract if he doesn't fight the contracted number of times.
Don't you guys remember Vera asking the UFC for an extension on his time to fight his last contract fight, due to his management problems? They gave him an extension, and he came back and fought after he had cleared up his legal issues.
The UFC doesn't seem all that unfair to me. Of course, they have to look after themselves.
UFC would have had Fedor if they would simply allow him to fight competetive Sambo. Now they have shit all over their faces.
Dostoevsky
12-27-2007, 05:29 AM
UFC would have had Fedor if they would simply allow him to fight competetive Sambo. Now they have shit all over their faces.
I don't understand why they would do that though.........They allow other fighters to compete at ADCC and at BJJ competitions so why no Fedor and his sambo?
I reckon theres more to this story than that.
The truth lays somewhere inbetween Fedors side and the UFC's side. I'd like to really know what its all about but we may never know.
UFC would have had Fedor if they would simply allow him to fight competetive Sambo. Now they have shit all over their faces.
It wasn't just about the stupid sambo...so whipe the shit off your face!:patsch
WiDDoW_MaKeR
12-27-2007, 01:47 PM
UFC would have had Fedor if they would simply allow him to fight competetive Sambo. Now they have shit all over their faces.
From what I heard, the UFC agreed to allow Fedor to compete in Sambo. Talks began breaking down when Fedor when not only did they offer him more money than they had ever offered any other fighter... but Fedor made the demands that...
1. Red Devil fighters from his camp also receive contracts, and get aired fights on the main cards of his shows.
2. Co-Promoted shows with Russia on multiple occasions.
3. Fedor's management being in control over who Fedor fights in the UFC.
Joe Silva (the UFC matchmaker) said that Fedor's team expressed serious concern over Fedor being matched up against Tim Sylvia.
C'mon guys... those are some pretty fucked up terms from Fedor, especially when he was being given the biggest money ever.
Donut62
12-27-2007, 02:06 PM
We have many many months of legal wrangling for this fight to ever occur, even after Randy's contracts expire.
Dostoevsky
12-27-2007, 04:37 PM
From what I heard, the UFC agreed to allow Fedor to compete in Sambo. Talks began breaking down when Fedor when not only did they offer him more money than they had ever offered any other fighter... but Fedor made the demands that...
1. Red Devil fighters from his camp also receive contracts, and get aired fights on the main cards of his shows.
2. Co-Promoted shows with Russia on multiple occasions.
3. Fedor's management being in control over who Fedor fights in the UFC.
Joe Silva (the UFC matchmaker) said that Fedor's team expressed serious concern over Fedor being matched up against Tim Sylvia.
C'mon guys... those are some pretty fucked up terms from Fedor, especially when he was being given the biggest money ever.
Can you find a single reliable and credible source for that claim?
Why on earth would Fedor be scared of Sylvia?
WiDDoW_MaKeR
12-27-2007, 05:34 PM
Can you find a single reliable and credible source for that claim?
Why on earth would Fedor be scared of Sylvia?
That was from the mouth of Joe Silva, the UFC matchmaker. I could see them thinking that Tim's height, and reach, along with good takedown defense against the sort of takedowns that Fedor does, being a concern for them. I am 100% sure that Fedor isn't "scared" of fighting Tim. However, that doesn't mean that Fedor's management isn't concerned about that matchup.
Dostoevsky
12-27-2007, 05:37 PM
I'd like to see a video of him saying that or a reliable source quoting him.
And I actually think Sylvia has a bad takedown defense against the type of takedowns Fedor uses.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
12-27-2007, 05:41 PM
I'd like to see a video of him saying that or a reliable source quoting him.
And I actually think Sylvia has a bad takedown defense against the type of takedowns Fedor uses.
I read it, from an interview in which Joe Silva gave to several people at one of the UFC weigh ins. He talked about several fighters, and that is what he said about Fedor. That and the fact that he thinks Fedor is #1 in the world, but wonders how long that will last if he continues to not fight the best fighters. He also said that Dana thinks Fedor is great, but gets frustrated with people always boasting about him.
Ramshall1
12-27-2007, 06:58 PM
is this fight gonna be televised in the US?
Dostoevsky
12-29-2007, 01:45 AM
That was from the mouth of Joe Silva, the UFC matchmaker. I could see them thinking that Tim's height, and reach, along with good takedown defense against the sort of takedowns that Fedor does, being a concern for them. I am 100% sure that Fedor isn't "scared" of fighting Tim. However, that doesn't mean that Fedor's management isn't concerned about that matchup.
Thats actually interesting to me now that I think about it.
This is wild speculation but perhaps after hearing that, Fedor specfically went in search of someone bigger than Sylvia to try and prove to everyone that he's not scared of size and went with the biggest guy he could find: Hong Man Choi.
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