Next week!

[Ambition_Def]

All of the bullshit and the lies and the rants of you Margarito naysayers comes full circle!

As you can see I have revived a vital component to the war on Gayfeathers, a symbol of our past victories.

It is time to commemorate a very special event which will take place next week. Thousands upon thousands of you will be kissing ass and eating crow.

LET THE FESTIVITIES COMMENCE!

:happy :bbb :happy :bbb :happy :bbb :happy

[BigReg]

I Can't wait for that fight. I really like Williams, but I'm leaning towards Margarito in this fight. Margarito is certainly not without his flaws, but I don't see Williams being able to exploit Margarito's weaknesses.

[Marnoff]

Eating crow? I couldn't care less about Margarito. I don't see him as any threat to Mayweather, and would be happy to see Paul Williams go to work on him. Whether Williams is able, I am unsure, since I've only seen him a few times, but it should be an interesting showdown nevertheless.

[Pimp C]

All of the bullshit and the lies and the rants of you Margarito naysayers comes full circle!

As you can see I have revived a vital component to the war on Gayfeathers, a symbol of our past victories.

It is time to commemorate a very special event which will take place next week. Thousands upon thousands of you will be kissing ass and eating crow.

LET THE FESTIVITIES COMMENCE!

:happy :bbb :happy :bbb :happy :bbb :happy
I can't wait but a Margo win still won't prove shit.:deal If he wins he's beaten up another highly touted unbeaten prospect, nothing more nothing less. I won't be sold on Margo until he beats somebody like Mosley or Cotto.:hi: :lol:

[acb]

I can't wait but a Margo win still won't prove shit.:deal If he wins he's beaten up another highly touted unbeaten prospect. I won't be sold on Margo until he beats somebody like Mosley or Cotto.:hi: :lol:

It was just a few months ago that tons here on ESB were saying he was ducking Paul Williams, and that Williams kicked his ass sparring, etc.

Now he gets no credit?

[Pimp C]

It was just a few months ago that tons here on ESB were saying he was ducking Paul Williams, and that Williams kicked his ass sparring, etc.

Now he gets no credit?
I'm just giving Ambition a hard time we've gone round and round about Margo for the longest.:D

[DanePugilist]

Good thread, Ambition - Margo is coming....

[Amsterdam]

Good thread, Ambition - Margo is coming....

Yes, to get his final shredding and large payday against an elite soon, that is if Williams can't take a shot however, if Williams can take a Margo arm punch level shot, he wins the fight easily.

[Mundo]

I'm just giving Ambition a hard time we've gone round and round about Margo for the longest.:D

wasnt it you that said williams will school margarito....?:huh

[KO Boxing]

It was just a few months ago that tons here on ESB were saying he was ducking Paul Williams, and that Williams kicked his ass sparring, etc.

Now he gets no credit?
So because people say someone is better than they are, they are actually better?

I've never understood this line of thinking AT ALL.

Like Calzaghe fans who try to argue that Lacy is somehow better than he really is because BEFORE the fight some years ago there were people saying that Lacy would knock Calzaghe out...

And?

Were there not the same amount of people (actually, legimately 10x more) who said the exact same of Tyson and Lewis in 2002? So because people said it, Tyson was better than what he really was?

No!

Williams is a good, undefated fighter that is massive at welterweight. Beating him is beating a legimate top 10 closing in on top 5 welterweight. But beating Williams is not beating a Mosely or a Cotto, and win against Williams will not put Margarito on that level

[Pimp C]

wasnt it you that said williams will school margarito....?:huh
No but I said Williams would win.

[BewareofDawg]

Williams by UD
Gatti by TKO
Cintron by KO

Finally we'll get this fruitcake AmbDef to stop publicly sucking dick in this forum and admit how overrated Margarito is.

[Mundo]

No but I said Williams would win.

same shit beaner. :D

[Ambition_Def]

Williams by UD
Gatti by TKO
Cintron by KO

Finally we'll get this fruitcake AmbDef to stop publicly sucking dick in this forum and admit how overrated Margarito is.

You've been embarrassed so many times it is incredible.

Or did you already forget you took a month leave of absence over DLH? :rofl

[brooklyn1550]

Paul Williams doesn't fight tall and he is very easy to hit. Standing in front of Margarito is a mistake. He has a real good chin, he goes to the body well, and he can punch. I think he will wear Williams down and win by UD or late TKO. I was leaning towards Paul Williams a few months back, but after watching some of his fights, I'm not impressed. Margarito will beat him.

[Amsterdam]

Paul Williams doesn't fight tall and he is very easy to hit. Standing in front of Margarito is a mistake. He has a real good chin, he goes to the body well, and he can punch. I think he will wear Williams down and win by UD or late TKO. I was leaning towards Paul Williams a few months back, but after watching some of his fights, I'm not impressed. Margarito will beat him.

I'm not impressed with Williams either, in fact, this guy amounts to very little win or lose against Margarito.

It all depends on what Williams can take, because he has no defence other than some basic head movement, which means Margo does get in his sloppy ass arm punches.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised either way, both are shit. It's also fantastic to be able to show that Clottey isn't much of a puncher after all, seeing as he struggled with Guttierez(an almost 3rd rater), couldn't stop a shot Corrales jumping up and then there are a few other examples that I will provide in an up and coming analysation thread about Clottey.

What amazes me is how so many people will be surprised when Clottey gets wiped out by an elite WW, and they will be surprised just because he had success against Margarito before he busted his hands(Margarito being a crappy fighter whom everyone bought into) and that he's shown decent handspeed.

Clottey has 19 KO's out of 31 wins, and he's failed to KO some really glass chinned examples, yet he HURT Margarito with an uppercut...

Margo's chin is overrated.:good

[Ambition_Def]

I'm not impressed with Williams either, in fact, this guy amounts to very little win or lose against Margarito.

Of course, now that Williams is on the verge of being pounded into oblivion. Let us prepare for the fallout pretending as though we never suspected Williams as successor. :yep

It all depends on what Williams can take, because he has no defence other than some basic head movement, which means Margo does get in his sloppy ass arm punches.

You could say that about virtually anyone. And if all Margarito throws are arm punches, tell me why nobody has beaten him yet. Surely with a division as deep as 147, with the names Margarito has been in with thus far, there had to have been someone with the potential to beat an arm puncher yes?

I honestly wouldn't be surprised either way, both are shit. It's also fantastic to be able to show that Clottey isn't much of a puncher after all, seeing as he struggled with Guttierez(an almost 3rd rater), couldn't stop a shot Corrales jumping up and then there are a few other examples that I will provide in an up and coming analysation thread about Clottey.

I can see your future, and it entails you yet again saying Margarito would lose to soandso, only months later to conclude that both are shit and the fight is meaningless.

What amazes me is how so many people will be surprised when Clottey gets wiped out by an elite WW, and they will be surprised just because he had success against Margarito before he busted his hands(Margarito being a crappy fighter whom everyone bought into) and that he's shown decent handspeed.

Clottey has yet to be wiped out by anyone at 147. His track record is proof of this. You act as though Gutierrez is a neverwas, he is a damn prospect, someone who is just now revealing his potential. Clottey in the greenest of his career took 8 rounds of 10 from Baldomir, a guy some others use as a keystone to a legacy. Get real.

Clottey has 19 KO's out of 31 wins, and he's failed to KO some really glass chinned examples, yet he HURT Margarito with an uppercut...

This is boxing. Even if you don't carry one punch knockout power you can get someone's attention with a single clean punch. Clottey did stun Margarito ONCE, in how many exchanges? And I guess you haven't seen Margarito before, because he's been stunned in a few fights over the first 2 rounds. It becomes pretty irrelevant when his opponents figure out that the guy won't quit. Clottey found that out, so did Cintron. :good

Margo's chin is overrated.:good

Everyone at welter is overrated to you, unless the guy has gotten ample HBO hype and a steady stream of safe fights. Typical blindfolded fan. :hi:

[Amsterdam]

Here is a quick fact also -

While Margarito's top wins were ranked, they were not at all impressive fighters to begin with....

Cintron - Shaky jawed joke that isn't going to amount to anything, is overly tenative, weak minded and relies on a crude skillset and power, Manny Steward fixed a few things but he still struggled badly with David Estrada, a light hitting gate keeper and Cintron was rocked on several occassions.

Six heads - A glass jawed fringe contender who was worth nothing but a stepping stone or a tune up.

Clottey - See my post above. Coming off of a back and forth battle with a poor fighter in Guttierez, has failed to stop guys like cans like Carlos Bojorquez KOed in 2 rounds and couldn't put away chinny, shot, moving up 2 divisions Corrales.

Where Clottey gets credit is that he's a decent 2nd tier and a rightful top 10 because he's well rounded, but he does not hit very hard and he cannot handle movement and angles, he's very flat footed.

This is a guy who was OWNING Margarito before his hand broke.

Margarito being considered ANYTHING more than a fringe contender level fighter is a product of hype, boxing fans ignorance and the fact that nobody gave a shit enough to bother with this glorified journeyman when better fights could be made. He will be thrashed by any elite level WW, this includes:

Collazo
Cotto
Mosely
PBF

And he may very well lose to a hype job in Williams, it all depends on Williams' ability to take Margarito's sloppy, inaccurate arm punches.

I personally can't wait either way, because we AT LEAST lose one HYPE JOB.:good

[brooklyn1550]

I'm not impressed with Williams either, in fact, this guy amounts to very little win or lose against Margarito.

It all depends on what Williams can take, because he has no defence other than some basic head movement, which means Margo does get in his sloppy ass arm punches.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised either way, both are shit. It's also fantastic to be able to show that Clottey isn't much of a puncher after all, seeing as he struggled with Guttierez(an almost 3rd rater), couldn't stop a shot Corrales jumping up and then there are a few other examples that I will provide in an up and coming analysation thread about Clottey.

What amazes me is how so many people will be surprised when Clottey gets wiped out by an elite WW, and they will be surprised just because he had success against Margarito before he busted his hands(Margarito being a crappy fighter whom everyone bought into) and that he's shown decent handspeed.

Clottey has 19 KO's out of 31 wins, and he's failed to KO some really glass chinned examples, yet he HURT Margarito with an uppercut...

Margo's chin is overrated.:good

Yep, Margarito will find him and he will find Margarito - but from what I see, Margarito is tougher and hits harder.

I think Cotto, Mosley, and Mayweather beat Williams, Margarito, and Clottey. I like Clottey - he's tough, skilled, and strong physically, but he's not a real big puncher as some have said. He punches pretty decent though, but what I've noticed about him is that he tends to fight in spurts and cover up. I don't know how well that would work with Cotto.

[Amsterdam]

Of course, now that Williams is on the verge of being pounded into oblivion. Let us prepare for the fallout pretending as though we never suspected Williams as successor. :yep



You could say that about virtually anyone. And if all Margarito throws are arm punches, tell me why nobody has beaten him yet. Surely with a division as deep as 147, with the names Margarito has been in with thus far, there had to have been someone with the potential to beat an arm puncher yes?



I can see your future, and it entails you yet again saying Margarito would lose to soandso, only months later to conclude that both are shit and the fight is meaningless.



Clottey has yet to be wiped out by anyone at 147. His track record is proof of this. You act as though Gutierrez is a neverwas, he is a damn prospect, someone who is just now revealing his potential. Clottey in the greenest of his career took 8 rounds of 10 from Baldomir, a guy some others use as a keystone to a legacy. Get real.



This is boxing. Even if you don't carry one punch knockout power you can get someone's attention with a single clean punch. Clottey did stun Margarito ONCE, in how many exchanges? And I guess you haven't seen Margarito before, because he's been stunned in a few fights over the first 2 rounds. It becomes pretty irrelevant when his opponents figure out that the guy won't quit. Clottey found that out, so did Cintron. :good



Everyone at welter is overrated to you, unless the guy has gotten ample HBO hype and a steady stream of safe fights. Typical blindfolded fan. :hi:

I have NEVER said Williams was anything, for the past year I have been saying Williams is garbage, this was when he was being considered an opponent for anyone OTHER than Margarito.

Margarito fighting Williams doesn't change my opinion of Williams.

Also, who did Margarito fight in this division that was worth truly noting? I give Cotto medium credit for destroying Quintana, I'd give him even less for Cintron and I'd give him about the same for Quintana if he destroyed Clottey or Baldomir with ease(Quintana, Clottey and Baldo are on the same level). Then I'd give Cotto credit for trashing Margarito, because an elite level does that with ease.

And SEE ABOVE, I gave you a direct list of guys who would thrash Margarito.

[brooklyn1550]

I don't think Collazo beats Margarito.

[Ambition_Def]

I don't think Collazo beats Margarito.

No shit. If Collazo had trouble with little Ricky, there is no way he is gonna get by a real big welterweight who punches harder, takes a better punch and is just as active. Absolutely no way.

[brooklyn1550]

No shit. If Collazo had trouble with little Ricky, there is no way he is gonna get by a real big welterweight who punches harder, takes a better punch and is just as active. Absolutely no way.

Exactly what I was thinking

[Ambition_Def]

Also, who did Margarito fight in this division that was worth truly noting? I give Cotto medium credit for destroying Quintana, I'd give him even less for Cintron and I'd give him about the same for Quintana if he destroyed Clottey or Baldomir with ease(Quintana, Clottey and Baldo are on the same level). Then I'd give Cotto credit for trashing Margarito, because an elite level does that with ease.

Again you can make this argument about anyone at 147. Cotto gets props for demolishing a mystery in Carlos Quintana and Zab Judah who lost his last few big fights, namely one to huge underdog Carlos Baldomir.

What exactly has Cotto done that Margarito hasn't? Zilch, zero, absolutely nothing. The one thing Margarito has done more than Cotto is longevity. That is the one distinction between them.

Hatton struggled with Collazo, who really struggled with a 35 year old Shane Mosely.

Hatton at 147 is pretty much non-existant.

Mosely, probably the only one of the three can make any claim of experience, but again he has also had major setbacks in recent fights. Granted his level of opposition is much higher, but you also have to take his age into consideration. You obviously don't.

[Amsterdam]

A mystery, sure, but we can observe and see the ability in live action and Quintana could very well defeat Cintron, Clottey, Baldomir level guys, so I regard him as a decent 2nd rater.

Then Judah, since Zab's at a low point, I won't go there for now.

What's funny is that all Margarito fans think that paper results and rankings are all that consitutes percieved ability, without truly observing ability itself.

OH, and Hatton is a much better opponent than Margarito on anyone's record, Margarito is bigger, but he's sloppy, unskilled shit.

...........

Who can make someone look worse than I can?:rofl

[Amsterdam]

No shit. If Collazo had trouble with little Ricky, there is no way he is gonna get by a real big welterweight who punches harder, takes a better punch and is just as active. Absolutely no way.

I'd take a fully conditioned Hatton to win a wide UD over Margarito.

[El Bombasto]

All of the bullshit and the lies and the rants of you Margarito naysayers comes full circle!

As you can see I have revived a vital component to the war on Gayfeathers, a symbol of our past victories.

It is time to commemorate a very special event which will take place next week. Thousands upon thousands of you will be kissing ass and eating crow.

LET THE FESTIVITIES COMMENCE!

:happy :bbb :happy :bbb :happy :bbb :happy

Nice avatar, very symbolic of Margarito's resume

[DanePugilist]

Amsterdam, how can you say that Cotto is elite? He has beaten good fighters in Torres and Quintana - I told you that Chicken dance Zab would not pose a problem. He has beaten good fighters, none of them being elite.

Margo has beaten good fighters none of them being elite. He TKoed sixheads which went the distance with Dzinziruk, whom is likewise a very good fighter. He has KTFO Cintron, like no one else has.

Think of Margo as you will, but calling him a fringe contender hype job is so far off the mark. A fringe contender could not beat so many good fighters.

Saying his chin is suspect or the like makes you a hater, its a strong chin - else he would have been KTFO many times considering how he fights, and how "weak" his defence is. Being stunned happens to anybody.

I am not saying he will beat Cotto or Floyd, but he will definately give them a hard time - way harder than Zab gave both.

[Ambition_Def]

A mystery, sure, but we can observe and see the ability in live action and Quintana could very well defeat Cintron, Clottey, Baldomir level guys, so I regard him as a decent 2nd rater.

Based on what exactly? You do realize that the biggest name on Quintana's win ledger is Joel Julio right? The same Joel Julio that barely got by Cosme Rivera.

Then Judah, since Zab's at a low point, I won't go there for now.

Obviously. The difference between a guy of Margarito's caliber and Zab's caliber is that Margarito doesn't lose to 10-1 underdogs. He disposes of them like he should.

What's funny is that all Margarito fans think that paper results and rankings are all that consitutes percieved ability, without truly observing ability itself.

This coming from someone who ranks a mystery like Quintana ahead of a proven champion. Someone who thinks just because Collazo shared a ring with Hatton and Mosely that he'd dispatch a proven long-reigning champion. Pull yourself together!

OH, and Hatton is a much better opponent than Margarito on anyone's record, Margarito is bigger, but he's sloppy, unskilled shit.

If you say so. :rofl

...........

Who can make someone look worse than I can?:rofl

I'm not sure, but you do a fine job of losing arguments. :good

[brooklyn1550]

Margarito is a guy who will make it rough for anybody at 147...he is beatable, but the volume of punches he throws, his size, and heavy hands will make guys work all 12 rounds.

[Amsterdam]

I AM a Margarito hater, but as always, I provide hate with a well backed up argument and not just hate itself.

Cotto is elite, he dealt with a factor that would normally give him trouble in Zab's speed and had a gameplan, then he proceeded to give a game Zab a thrashing and also took Zab's best on the chin without dropping, even though he was stunned.

Zab's an extremely hard puncher, harder than Clottey, Quintana, Margarito and he sneaks shots in very well.

Zab's not well regarded due his string of losses, but it doesn't change that Cotto thrashed a game Zab better than PBF did, and he did it with a proper gameplan and showed multiple dimensions.

Margarito poses no threat to Cotto, Cotto will move in, land viscious fully planted shots on a slow starting Margarito and Margarito's offence will be negated before it starts, and even if it did heat up a bit before Margarito gets destroyed within my projected 5 round area, it poses little threat to Cotto because he doesn't hit overly hard and he's inaccurate and sloppy.

Cintron was stopped in 5 by Margarito, but Cintron IS not anything special, him IMPROVING and then STRUGGLING with a light hitting gate keeper in Estrada is a CEMENTED statement about what Cintron really is, not that I couldn't have told you that pre-Margarito, in which I did tell people that on here.:lol:

[Amsterdam]

Based on what exactly? You do realize that the biggest name on Quintana's win ledger is Joel Julio right? The same Joel Julio that barely got by Cosme Rivera.



Obviously. The difference between a guy of Margarito's caliber and Zab's caliber is that Margarito doesn't lose to 10-1 underdogs. He disposes of them like he should.



This coming from someone who ranks a mystery like Quintana ahead of a proven champion. Someone who thinks just because Collazo shared a ring with Hatton and Mosely that he'd dispatch a proven long-reigning champion. Pull yourself together!



If you say so. :rofl



I'm not sure, but you do a fine job of losing arguments. :good

You just fired back direct proof of all of my points!:lol:

[MSTR]

I think Paul Williams is a tough fighter and will give him a lot of credit for the win. Paul will have big problems with shorter fighters who can get inside, but on the same token can be a stylistic nightmare for others. I think that Marg is part of the second group, and If he can adapt and win he will prove IMO that he is more well rounded as a fighter then before, and has the ability to perhaps beat some of the top guys. If Marg wins here impressively, I would pick him to beat Hatton and maybe even Mosely, but not Floyd or Cotto.

[Ambition_Def]

I AM a Margarito hater, but as always, I provide hate with a well backed up argument and not just hate itself.

Outright calling a champion shit and saying he has no skills is not a well backed up argument. Nice try though. :rofl

Cotto is elite, he dealt with a factor that would normally give him trouble in Zab's speed and had a gameplan, then he proceeded to give a game Zab a thrashing and also took Zab's best on the chin without dropping, even though he was stunned.

So by this standard is Carlos Baldomir also elite? He too beat Zab Judah. And I suppose we should give Terron Millet and Rafael Pineda honorable mention, seeng as how they had life and death fights with Zab.

Face the facts, Zab Judah is a very small welterweight who really only lived up to 147 potential when he fought pillow-punching Cory Spinks. He is far better suited for 140.

Zab's an extremely hard puncher, harder than Clottey, Quintana, Margarito and he sneaks shots in very well.

I really don't know how anyone could believe this, but whatever. He is fast and he sneaks shots in very well, but punch harder? I find that hard to believe.

Zab's not well regarded due his string of losses, but it doesn't change that Cotto thrashed a game Zab better than PBF did, and he did it with a proper gameplan and showed multiple dimensions.

Zab Judah is as overrated as they come. What does it say about a man when he loses to 10 to 1 underdogs? Struggling to scrape by guys like Rafael Pineda and Terron Millet?

Now I figured that Zab would give Cotto problems, because to be quite honest with you I've suspected Cotto for the hypejob ever since Corley shook him bad. But 2 well placed low blows solved that problem early on.

Margarito poses no threat to Cotto, Cotto will move in, land viscious fully planted shots on a slow starting Margarito and Margarito's offence will be negated before it starts, and even if it did heat up a bit before Margarito gets destroyed within my projected 5 round area, it poses little threat to Cotto because he doesn't hit overly hard and he's inaccurate and sloppy.

This is laughable, seriously. You don't understand a lick of boxing and it shows.

If little DeMarcus Corley can rock Cotto, as well as Torres, there is no reason to believe a big welterweight like Margarito can't.

Cintron was stopped in 5 by Margarito, but Cintron IS not anything special, him IMPROVING and then STRUGGLING with a light hitting gate keeper in Estrada is a CEMENTED statement about what Cintron really is, not that I couldn't have told you that pre-Margarito, in which I did tell people that on here.:lol:

He knocked Estrada out. So what he doesn't have Shane Mosely's mobility or handspeed. That is irrelevant. Everyone gets by in a different way. And the way he got by was in knocking Estrada out. Shane didn't do that, so lets stop comparing the wins here before you get owned again.

[Amsterdam]

Zab's a hot and cold fighter, however, he came into the Cotto fight at an even better training camp and fitness level than he did for Mayweather and even a little better then Spinks 2.

If you don't understand what a hot and cold fighter is, then I can't even be bothered in going forward.

And YET again, you go back to using paper rankings and officialities as a way to completely ignore my accurate assessment of Margarito's abilities, you call on my boxing knowledge, when I am providing more of a technical argument than you are.

You are providing a fanboy argument, I am providing a technical assessment argument, albeit from an admitted negative point of view.

[Ambition_Def]

Zab's a hot and cold fighter, however, he came into the Cotto fight at an even better training camp and fitness level than he did for Mayweather and even a little better then Spinks 2.

So the real Zab Judah showed up for Cotto, but not Baldomir correct? I guess we should just start calling him Dr. Zab and Mr. Judah. Biased arguments truely do need double standards to survive. :yep

If you don't understand what a hot and cold fighter is, then I can't even be bothered in going forward.

I understand what Zab has never been, and that is consistent over 12 rounds. I also understand that when the going gets tough, he folds. He goes into a shell.

And YET again, you go back to using paper rankings and officialities as a way to completely ignore my accurate assessment of Margarito's abilities, you call on my boxing knowledge, when I am providing more of a technical argument than you are.

Hardly. I don't need to look at paper to know that Cotto will struggle with Margarito. Not at all. The sheer fact he has been on rubber legs in several of his most recent outtings is proof. The fact that he is a smaller framed welterweight who needs to plant his feet to throw is another factor here. He is not overly fast BECAUSE he has to plant his feet before doing any damage. In nearly all of his fights he has stood ground and traded punches. He will lose when he tries that with Margarito, it is a guarantee.

You are providing a fanboy argument, I am providing a technical assessment argument, albeit from an admitted negative point of view.

Again, saying a guy is shit and has no skills is not a technical argument. It is a fool's argument. Come with material or don't come at all. :hi:

[MSTR]

Zab's a hot and cold fighter, however, he came into the Cotto fight at an even better training camp and fitness level than he did for Mayweather and even a little better then Spinks 2.

If you don't understand what a hot and cold fighter is, then I can't even be bothered in going forward.

And YET again, you go back to using paper rankings and officialities as a way to completely ignore my accurate assessment of Margarito's abilities, you call on my boxing knowledge, when I am providing more of a technical argument than you are.

You are providing a fanboy argument, I am providing a technical assessment argument, albeit from an admitted negative point of view.
Good posts. How can anyone believe that Marg will beat Cotto is beyond me. Marg will fight him toe 2 toe, and Cotto is the shorter man with the tighter and harder punches. Margs long body will be broken down quickly and then the head will fall. Cotto is improving with every fight. People always point out getting rocked, but the fact is he went on to viciously knock out his opponents. Much better then getting beaten by Daniel Santos, a B level fighter at best. Santos didn't even look that good in that fight BTW. Marg just looked very ordinary. he is very one dimensional and I believe/hope that Williams will expose him. If not, then Cotto can finally derail the hype train.

[DanePugilist]

Good posting, Ambition. I wholeheartedly agree.

At MSTR: Cotto-Margo will be an all-out war - have no doubt.

[BigReg]

Good posts. How can anyone believe that Marg will beat Cotto is beyond me. Marg will fight him toe 2 toe, and Cotto is the shorter man with the tighter and harder punches. Margs long body will be broken down quickly and then the head will fall. Cotto is improving with every fight. People always point out getting rocked, but the fact is he went on to viciously knock out his opponents. Much better then getting beaten by Daniel Santos, a B level fighter at best. Santos didn't even look that good in that fight BTW. Marg just looked very ordinary. he is very one dimensional and I believe/hope that Williams will expose him. If not, then Cotto can finally derail the hype train.

I'm hardly a Margartio fan, however I believe Cotto would have a hard time beating him. Cotto has won his fights by overpowering his opposition and showing a lot of heart. I can't see Cotto overpowering a bigger, stronger Margarito, who is a very gutsy fighter himself. Marg isn't highly skilled, but he never gets tired, and it's very hard to hurt him. A polished boxer would give Margarito all types of trouble. However, Cotto is not a polished boxer. If Cotto went in there trying to brawl with the bigger, stronger man he would be in trouble. If you watched the Urkal fight, Cotto's punches didn't seem to hurt Urkal all that much(his corner threw in the towel because they were pissed at the ref, not becasue their guy was hurt). Luckily for Cotto, Urkal's punches can't break wind. Marg has some pop behind his punches and he's strong enough to take Cotto's best shots