View Full Version : Hughes has NO chance
Dostoevsky
12-24-2007, 10:55 AM
Seriously, lets look at this objectively, Hughes has zero chance of winning this fight with the frenchie.
Frenchie has vastly superior striking,has pinpoint accuracy, great hands and kicks. Hughes has terrible striking, he just flails his arms around has zero technique at all. He doesn't have power in his punches either to test GSP's questionable chin. Hughes also has bad defence, while GSP has a good one against punches.
Hughes has great wrestling but I think with his fights with Koscheck and with Hughes himself, GSP is now equal to Hughes and CANNOT be taken down. I fully expect GSP to avoid all takedowns and even outwrestle Hughes.
I can't really say much about their Jiu Jitsu, maybe theiy're about even, I doubt Hughes can be that much better than GSP to help him during the fight.
GSP is stronger, faster more well rounded.........everything Hughes has, GSP does better or is at least equal.
It's a mismatch really. Matt Hughes will be brutally crushed barring a complete miracle.
scurlaruntings
12-24-2007, 11:03 AM
Negative.These guys are 1 and 1 rightfully. GSP`s loss to Serra will be playing on his mind and Hughes knows that GSP can be hurt and quite easily providing he can land on the button. GSP is an exceptional striker but he was found out quite surprisingly by Serra.
The problem here is literally ANYTHING can happen.Naturally Hughes is the underdog but his a very live underdog.GSP`s striking is superior but if this goes to the ground Hughes has a good ground game and good GNP him into submmision or submit him on the mat. Too many variables here for it to be a mismatch. Either way another GSP victory would be good for the UFC as well as the welter division in MMA in terms of bringing clarity to 170lbs.Anything less would just bring even more anarchy to the inconsistency of MMA already.
rydersonthestorm
12-24-2007, 11:10 AM
Gsp is an obvious favourite but to say hughes has no chance is pretty foolish.
Dostoevsky
12-24-2007, 11:17 AM
I stick by my prediction.
I thoroughly believe GSP will mush Hughes into mince meat.
rydersonthestorm
12-24-2007, 11:26 AM
Oh i agree and think gsp will wreck him, but hughes at least as a shot.
I hope so, but I think Hughes will work for a takedown no matter what it takes...he's knows he's a sitting duck on the outside...his only chance is a sub or bring it to the ground and even then GSP always seems to have an answer for him. I'm sure Hughes will have a new gameplan because in their second fight Hughes didn't look like he should have been in the ring with him.
Boinko
12-24-2007, 06:46 PM
I hope so, but I think Hughes will work for a takedown no matter what it takes...he's knows he's a sitting duck on the outside...his only chance is a sub or bring it to the ground and even then GSP always seems to have an answer for him. I'm sure Hughes will have a new gameplan because in their second fight Hughes didn't look like he should have been in the ring with him.
I agree about the ground game.
After St. Pierre's total domination of Koschek on the ground, I don't give Hughes that much of an advantage should it go to mat. Yes, that's obviously where Hughes wants it to be since he's totally overmatched standing up, but George has a hell of a ground game.
Stylistically, this just isn't a good matchup for Hughes. Even in their first fight, George was doing very well before getting caught in that armbar.
And if Hughes is going to pull it off this time, he'll have to do it in a similar manner. A quick, unexpected submission. And that could happen...
Beebs
12-24-2007, 09:50 PM
Hughes already finished him in under a round, and GSP just lost to Serra in embarassing fashion, to think Hughes has no chance is foolish.
Frankwhite
12-24-2007, 11:40 PM
Hughes has exactly 50% chance to win this fight.
On top of that GSP will come to fight night well prepared, focused and ready to demolish Hughes. Hughes on the other will probably enter the ring big headed but you can rest assured Matt is trainning very hard.
Ready to take GSP to the ground for Hughes Money Plan.
Hughes in 2nd round.
Who will be in Hughes?GSP Corner ??????
GSP will end Hughes career.
Beebs
12-25-2007, 06:57 PM
Who will be in Hughes?GSP Corner ??????
For Hughes it will almost surely be Matt Pena-his boxing coach, Mark Fiore-his wrestling coach, and Robbie Lawler-his teammate.
demzor
12-25-2007, 08:58 PM
Don't ever count Matt Hughes out..
amhlilhaus
12-25-2007, 11:12 PM
st pierre was caught by a fluke punch, it illustrates how fine a line mma gloves and striking can be. but hughes is a legend and it's never a good idea to totally rule out someone like this, for him to win he'll have to take pierre down consistently and maintain a busy workrate on the mat, he can't be stood up too many times because each time he's on his feet he's in a disadvantageous situation.
Boinko
12-26-2007, 12:10 AM
Hughes already finished him in under a round, and GSP just lost to Serra in embarassing fashion, to think Hughes has no chance is foolish.
I don't think anyone really believes Hughes has no chance. It's just pre fight trash talk.
I doubt many people would consider Hughes the favourite, but there are so many variables that is anyone really going to be stunned if Hughes wins? Surprised yes. Stunned no.
BewareofDawg
12-26-2007, 02:43 PM
I don't think anyone really believes Hughes has no chance. It's just pre fight trash talk.
I doubt many people would consider Hughes the favourite, but there are so many variables that is anyone really going to be stunned if Hughes wins? Surprised yes. Stunned no.
Outside of the "volatility of MMA" and the high risk of a "fluke Punch" landing. Meaning, GSP being caught off guard or making a dumb mistake, or going in there tentative.....I truly believe Hughes has no chance of winning this fight. This is very similar, different styles of course, but similar to Silva vs Franklin, in that Franklin had no way to beat him. Hughes has no way to beat St. Pierre. Anyone that thinks Hughes is going to get St. Pierre on his back, forget about then keeping him there to GnP him, is kidding themselves. St. Pierre made a mistake, an AMATEUR mistake at that, in the first fight and Hughes did a very basic basic basic move to beat him. You learn that in 1st grade of BJJ, if someone over commits on a kimura.....you armbar them. It is by no means an indication that Hughes has any shot of doing it again to GSP. but everything GSP did in the rematch, he can and will do again....outstrike him, take him down, stuff his takedowns, pass his guard, and knock him out :deal :deal :deal :deal GSP is more skilled, more athletic, stronger, quicker, and more hungry.....he's going to destroy him. Simple as that :good
Dostoevsky
12-26-2007, 02:44 PM
Outside of the "volatility of MMA" and the high risk of a "fluke Punch" landing. Meaning, GSP being caught off guard or making a dumb mistake, or going in there tentative.....I truly believe Hughes has no chance of winning this fight. This is very similar, different styles of course, but similar to Silva vs Franklin, in that Franklin had no way to beat him. Hughes has no way to beat St. Pierre. Anyone that thinks Hughes is going to get St. Pierre on his back, forget about then keeping him there to GnP him, is kidding themselves. St. Pierre made a mistake, an AMATEUR mistake at that, in the first fight and Hughes did a very basic basic basic move to beat him. You learn that in 1st grade of BJJ, if someone over commits on a kimura.....you armbar them. It is by no means an indication that Hughes has any shot of doing it again to GSP. but everything GSP did in the rematch, he can and will do again....outstrike him, take him down, stuff his takedowns, pass his guard, and knock him out :deal :deal :deal :deal GSP is more skilled, more athletic, stronger, quicker, and more hungry.....he's going to destroy him. Simple as that :good
Finally, someone who knows their stuff! :good
BewareofDawg
12-26-2007, 03:08 PM
Finally, someone who knows their stuff! :good
I just really think its silly that people think Hughes has a chance to GnP St. Pierre. Its really as simple as going to watch their two previous fights, and you will see that GSP is superior on the ground too. Again, and I know you already know this, but I gotta repeat it, the fact that Hughes armbarred GSP is in no way an indication or a tell that he is better on the ground. St. Pierre making that mistake honestly would be the equivalent of Floyd Mayweather keeping his foot inside, and circling to the right on a So. Paw and getting KO'd by a straight left. A stupid, green, "why the hell would a pro do that" mistake....which WILL NEVER BE REPEATED.
But you can also look at the way St. Pierre MANHANDLED every one of the top wrestlers in the division Trigg, Sherk, Kos and Hughes. The guy is a stud and top of the food chain on the ground as well as the feet.
rydersonthestorm
12-26-2007, 03:33 PM
I just think it's retarded that a guy who has already beaten gsp has no chance and considering gsp got knocked the fuck out by matt serra as well he isn't as good as you think. I do think gsp is a big favourite but to say hughes has no chance is foolish.
BewareofDawg
12-26-2007, 03:37 PM
I just think it's retarded that a guy who has already beaten gsp has no chance and considering gsp got knocked the fuck out by matt serra as well he isn't as good as you think. I do think gsp is a big favourite but to say hughes has no chance is foolish.
Hughes has a chance to beat Rampage as well....this is MMA, thats the problem. :deal But ignoring the 'circus act endings' that happen all too often, Hughes should not beat GSP, much like he should not beat Rampage.
Look at it this way....if a basketball game was determined by one slam dunk, then North Carolina might have a shot at beating the Boston Celtics.....but looking at it objectively, there is no logical reasoning to bet on them. :deal
rydersonthestorm
12-26-2007, 03:42 PM
Well if you knew what you where taking about you might make abit more sense, gsp has lost to hughes before at the moment they are 1-1. Gsp also took a beating from bj until he gassed, and he got knocked the fuck out by matt serra, so why has hughes got no chance:roll:
BewareofDawg
12-26-2007, 03:52 PM
Well if you knew what you where taking about you might make abit more sense, gsp has lost to hughes before at the moment they are 1-1. Gsp also took a beating from bj until he gassed, and he got knocked the fuck out by matt serra, so why has hughes got no chance:roll:
Read my above posts. GSP lost to Hughes by making a REAL dumb mistake. A mistake that really, nobody at that level should ever make. Hughes on the other hand, was losing the round and was pretty much handed that victory, because he did nothing that, anyone else at that level, wouldn't have done if their opponent made that mistake. It's not like he set GSP up for that armbar, or even saw it coming, it literally fell into his lap. If GSP doesn't overcommit on that kimura attempt.....Hughes doesn't get the armbar and eventually loses. Simple as that. Now, who doesn't know what their talking about? :patsch
rydersonthestorm
12-26-2007, 03:56 PM
Read my above posts. GSP lost to Hughes by making a REAL dumb mistake. A mistake that really, nobody at that level should ever make. Hughes on the other hand, was losing the round and was pretty much handed that victory, because he did nothing that, anyone else at that level, wouldn't have done if their opponent made that mistake. It's not like he set GSP up for that armbar, or even saw it coming, it literally fell into his lap. If GSP doesn't overcommit on that kimura attempt.....Hughes doesn't get the armbar and eventually loses. Simple as that. Now, who doesn't know what their talking about? :patsch
You still, gsp has been beaten by hughes why can't he make the same mistake again. He got knocked the fuck out by matt serra and was taking a beating from bj until bj gassed, that leads me to think he is very overated.
when St. Pierre lost to Hughes the first time he was only 22 or 23 at that time.He was green and made a mistake. Of course Hughes has great subs but when Serra beat GSP...(it was a fluke punch) but Serra had a decent punchers chance..Hughes doesn't have much of a punchers chance since he has never KO'd anybody on his feet...the truth is he thought he caught GSP away from hard training away from training but GSP was training already in case of an injury....so he is more than ready....unless Hughes can get a sneaky sub in he will have a tough time....but he does have a chance.....i guess.
BewareofDawg
12-26-2007, 04:21 PM
You still, gsp has been beaten by hughes why can't he make the same mistake again. He got knocked the fuck out by matt serra and was taking a beating from bj until bj gassed, that leads me to think he is very overated.
Very overrated :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
GSP has made two mistakes in his career:
1. Not respecting Serra's standup
2. Getting careless on the ground with Hughes
Other than those two fights, he hasn't beaten everyone else....he has utterly destroyed and dominated the competition, with the sole exception of BJ Penn.
He destroyed Sherk
He literally made Trigg look like he had absolutely no fighting or wrestling experience at all.
Owned Kos at his own game
Embarrassed one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time in Hughes
With the exception of GSP beating himself, who could you rationalize favoring over him. Actually name one welterweight that does one thing better then him. Remember, BJ is a lightweight now. You can't do it because he is that well rounded that he is better then the best of the best in the world at his weight in every aspect of the game. :deal
rydersonthestorm
12-26-2007, 04:23 PM
In regards to the view people such as yourself hold him to he is very overated, he is probably te best 170lbs but his beating from bj, ko loss to serra and loss to hughes makes him fr from invincable.
In regards to the view people such as yourself hold him to he is very overated, he is probably te best 170lbs but his beating from bj, ko loss to serra and loss to hughes makes him fr from invincable.
his beating from BJ? because he had a bloody nose from a jab?:patsch
it was a close fight but most agree he won...even Matt Hughes, if you call that a beating what did you call GSp vs Hughes-2
IntentionalButt
12-26-2007, 06:05 PM
I'm certainly hoping for Rush to smash him, but really it's not far from even money.
rydersonthestorm
12-26-2007, 07:15 PM
his beating from BJ? because he had a bloody nose from a jab?:patsch
it was a close fight but most agree he won...even Matt Hughes, if you call that a beating what did you call GSp vs Hughes-2
Well as bj gave him a beating in the first round and then gassed it was an obvious win for gsp but bj didn't have a mark on him and gsp looked beat up.
Beebs
12-26-2007, 10:25 PM
This is really getting out of hand, Hughes has probably the best all around ground game at 170 in the world, has won 9 title fights, and has already PROVEN he can beat GSP.
GSP didnt get caught with "a fluke shot" he got caught by like 25 "fluke" shots, then gave up.
GSP didn't "make an amateur mistake" by getting countered into an armbar in the first fight, he went for that Kimura over and over until Hughes finally picked the right time to counter it. He also had to get put on his back to be in that position in the first place.
Hughes has been into the championship rounds 3 times and won all 3 times, rounds 4 and 5 are foreign territory to GSP, how will he react if it gets there?
GSP beat the living shit out of Hughes and he could very well do it again, hes a great fighter and I think very highly of him, but to count out the far and away most decorated fighter in history at 170 who has already beaten GSP once is borderline insane.
Dostoevsky
12-26-2007, 10:30 PM
This is really getting out of hand, Hughes has probably the best all around ground game at 170 in the world, has won 9 title fights, and has already PROVEN he can beat GSP.
GSP didnt get caught with "a fluke shot" he got caught by like 25 "fluke" shots, then gave up.
GSP didn't "make an amateur mistake" by getting countered into an armbar in the first fight, he went for that Kimura over and over until Hughes finally picked the right time to counter it. He also had to get put on his back to be in that position in the first place.
Hughes has been into the championship rounds 3 times and won all 3 times, rounds 4 and 5 are foreign territory to GSP, how will he react if it gets there?
GSP beat the living shit out of Hughes and he could very well do it again, hes a great fighter and I think very highly of him, but to count out the far and away most decorated fighter in history at 170 who has already beaten GSP once is borderline insane.
:lol::lol::lol:
Hughes hasn't won 9 titles, not even close :rofl
ufoalf
12-26-2007, 10:39 PM
:lol::lol::lol:
Hughes hasn't won 9 titles, not even close :rofl Way to go with the propaganda!
:patsch:patsch:patsch
You never cease to amaze me. Every title defense = title won. Once a fighter enters that ring the title is no longer his. It's up for grabs.
Dostoevsky
12-26-2007, 10:43 PM
Every title defense = title won.
What? :lol:
Thats nonsense, defending a title you've already won doesn't mean you re-win it again you just simply defend it.
ufoalf
12-26-2007, 11:10 PM
Damn bro. It's worse than I thought. It counts like this in MMA and in boxing.
Dostoevsky
12-26-2007, 11:13 PM
Hell no it doesn't. I've NEVER heard that, only on Hughes official website have I heard that title defences count as winning 'new' titles.
Its horseshit made up to make his career sound even more impressive. I've never in my life heard anyone refer to someones title defences count as winning new titles.
Did Joe Louis win 25 titles? :lol:
Was Muhammad Ali a 3 time HW champion with 19 defences? Or did he win 19 titles :rofl
What fucking imbecility. You win titles by moving up and down weight classes or losing a title and winning it back again, you don't re-win your title every time you defend it, you just defend it!
Beebs
12-26-2007, 11:23 PM
:lol::lol::lol:
Hughes hasn't won 9 titles, not even close :rofl
It clearly fucking says 9 title fights, not 9 different titles, so it really doesn't matter what defines winning a title
You do get a new belt each time, but again, I clearly said 9 title fights.
Keep laughing though, its hillarious.
Dostoevsky
12-26-2007, 11:27 PM
Woops.
Well on Matt Hughes website he's says he's won 9 titles. Which IS bullshit.
IntentionalButt
12-26-2007, 11:42 PM
Hughes and GSP are both great. My instinct says that GSP has his digits, and my heart goes along with that pick. Matt has had his (deserved) fifteen minutes of crossover stardom - George has held a strap but is due for his piece of flagship status.
ufoalf
12-26-2007, 11:46 PM
Hell no it doesn't. I've NEVER heard that, only on Hughes official website have I heard that title defences count as winning 'new' titles.
Its horseshit made up to make his career sound even more impressive. I've never in my life heard anyone refer to someones title defences count as winning new titles.
Did Joe Louis win 25 titles? :lol:
Was Muhammad Ali a 3 time HW champion with 19 defences? Or did he win 19 titles :rofl
What fucking imbecility. You win titles by moving up and down weight classes or losing a title and winning it back again, you don't re-win your title every time you defend it, you just defend it!
Semantics. What really counts the time he was a champion on different accasions or how many times he won title fights?
iksrtfo
12-27-2007, 12:46 PM
Semantics. What really counts the time he was a champion on different accasions or how many times he won title fights?
Were they UFC titles or maybe titles in smaller orgs before the UFC?
BewareofDawg
12-27-2007, 03:05 PM
The problem with saying Hughes is a '9 time Champ' is that it implies that he beat a champion 9 times. He didn't. Did he win the Welterweight Title when he beat Gracie or Riggs? No. He succesfully defended it.
hughes vs gsp 3 preview
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:rofl
Dostoevsky
12-27-2007, 04:18 PM
I love the Anderson silva one where he knees Rich Franklin a gazillion times :rofl
That was hilarious.
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Beebs
12-27-2007, 05:51 PM
Did he win the Welterweight Title when he beat Gracie or Riggs? No. He succesfully defended it.
No, he didn't.
If you count those fights, which were not for the title, its 11 times.
Wilhelm
12-28-2007, 09:17 AM
You still, gsp has been beaten by hughes why can't he make the same mistake again. He got knocked the fuck out by matt serra and was taking a beating from bj until bj gassed, that leads me to think he is very overated.
Most oft repeated bullshit in MMA. BJ won about a minute and a half of the first round and lost every other second of that fight. Did he "gas" after a minute and a half? Come on. He lost to Hughes because he gassed/had a broken rib, but that was after two full rounds. GSP stuffed his takedowns and took him down repeatedly and won that fight because he was the better fighter. Not by much, but the better fighter. Fuck all this "he gassed" crap.
Most oft repeated bullshit in MMA. BJ won about a minute and a half of the first round and lost every other second of that fight. Did he "gas" after a minute and a half? Come on. He lost to Hughes because he gassed/had a broken rib, but that was after two full rounds. GSP stuffed his takedowns and took him down repeatedly and won that fight because he was the better fighter. Not by much, but the better fighter. Fuck all this "he gassed" crap.
exactly....being a pro at this point in his career and steadily gassing out doesn't qualify as an excuse.....it tells me he's a lazy fuckhead....does he think he could beat Hughes or GSP in the first round and have an easy time doing it. not to mention other fights in his career where he has gassed out....sorry that excuse has been worn out.
rydersonthestorm
12-28-2007, 02:26 PM
exactly....being a pro at this point in his career and steadily gassing out doesn't qualify as an excuse.....it tells me he's a lazy fuckhead....does he think he could beat Hughes or GSP in the first round and have an easy time doing it. not to mention other fights in his career where he has gassed out....sorry that excuse has been worn out.
Sorry but if it's a fact it's not an excuse it's obviously his own fault but to make out like gsp has superior skills is rubbish when bj obviously was getting the better of both hughes and gsp. Now being a fighter you need the complete package and bj obviously doesn't train his conditioning enough so there is nobody to blame but himself but if you can't see his losses as down to gassing your obviously not watching the fights.
Boinko
12-28-2007, 02:36 PM
Sorry but if it's a fact it's not an excuse it's obviously his own fault but to make out like gsp has superior skills is rubbish when bj obviously was getting the better of both hughes and gsp. Now being a fighter you need the complete package and bj obviously doesn't train his conditioning enough so there is nobody to blame but himself but if you can't see his losses as down to gassing your obviously not watching the fights.
I don't think anyone is denying that BJ gassed out in some of his fights. And you say despite that, GSP and Hughes don't have superior skills. Well, stamina is a skill in a sport like this.
rydersonthestorm
12-28-2007, 02:53 PM
I don't think anyone is denying that BJ gassed out in some of his fights. And you say despite that, GSP and Hughes don't have superior skills. Well, stamina is a skill in a sport like this.
I think you should have read my post instead of just reading half of it :roll:
Boinko
12-28-2007, 02:59 PM
I think you should have read my post instead of just reading half of it :roll:
I did. You mocked the idea that Hughes and St. Pierre might have superior skills to BJ. I merely pointed out that stamina is a skill, and if BJ can't condition himself to a point where he can master that "skill" then he doesn't have superior skills to those fighters.
Yes, you did acknowledge this in the 2nd half of your post. BJ gassed out and didn't deserve to win against GSP, and clearly lost to Hughes after doing well early on. But, in my opinion, the fact that GSP was able to outwork Penn makes him the more skillfull fighter.
rydersonthestorm
12-28-2007, 03:05 PM
So the fact that bj has pretty much supeiror skills in all departments bar one being stamina makes him a less skillful fighter.
Boinko
12-28-2007, 03:08 PM
So the fact that bj has pretty much supeiror skills in all departments bar one being stamina makes him a less skillful fighter.
If it's the difference between winning and losing, then yes.
However, one could argue that GSP is equally skillfull in most areas as BJ Penn, perhaps moreso in some, perhaps less in others.
To make the blanket statement that Penn has superior skills in all departments is questionable.
rydersonthestorm
12-28-2007, 03:15 PM
One could argue that but other than stamina, takedowns and general wrestling ability i can't see what gsp could have over bj. In regards to the wrestling bj's balance and superior ju jitsu counter that pretty easily.
Boinko
12-28-2007, 04:31 PM
One could argue that but other than stamina, takedowns and general wrestling ability i can't see what gsp could have over bj.
So, BJ then isn't necessarily superior to GSP in every way.
In regards to the wrestling bj's balance and superior ju jitsu counter that pretty easily.
Well, apparently not enough to get a win.
rydersonthestorm
12-28-2007, 04:33 PM
So, BJ then isn't necessarily superior to GSP in every way.
Well, apparently not enough to get a win.
Again you don't read my posts and just write what you feel like :roll:
Boinko
12-28-2007, 05:00 PM
Again you don't read my posts and just write what you feel like :roll:
Well, perhaps I misunderstood you. Were you not earlier making the point that Penn was superior in every way to GSP except in stamina? Or were you simply posing that as a hypothetical since you've since said that GSP is superior in stamina, wrestling, and takedowns.
rydersonthestorm
12-28-2007, 05:15 PM
I said he was pretty much superior in most ways, that isn't a 100 % better at everything that means in general he is better than gsp in more ways than he is worse than gsp at.
Boinko
12-28-2007, 05:17 PM
I said he was pretty much superior in most ways, that isn't a 100 % better at everything that means in general he is better than gsp in more ways than he i worse at.
Fair enough. I just think that's a debateable claim. Many in the sport have called GSP the best all around fighter. Many have called BJ Penn. Some have claimed neither is #1.
rydersonthestorm
12-28-2007, 05:38 PM
I honestly think anderson silva is the p4p number one at the moment, but bj, gsp, kid yamamoto, hendo, page and Calvancante could all make claims to.
Boinko
12-28-2007, 08:04 PM
I honestly think anderson silva is the p4p number one at the moment, but bj, gsp, kid yamamoto, hendo, page and Calvancante could all make claims to.
Silva is an excellent choice. Should have his hands full with Henderson, though.
boxingcar
12-29-2007, 05:38 AM
Seriously, lets look at this objectively, Hughes has zero chance of winning this fight with the frenchie.
I hope st Pierre wins...but you never know what's gonna happen in this damn sport...Afterall , Serra defeated him...and we all know that gsp is one of the most skilled in mma.
yep!, it just takes 1 glancing blow to the back of the head and it snowballs from there.
Boinko
12-30-2007, 04:15 AM
I'll like to rescind everything I said in this thread and say "Hughes has no chance." Kudos to Iron Duke who predicted spot on. GSP made Hughes look like a rank amateur.
Dostoevsky
12-30-2007, 04:20 AM
Thank you Boinko.
Just to recap: :D
Like I said, GSP not only outstruck Hughes on their feet but he took Hughes down at will and held him down thoroughly outwrestling him. (Hughes' forte)
GSP even performed better than I thought he would, submitting Hughes using BJJ, something I thought Hughes might have the edge with. But nope.
He was dominated in the striking, the wrestling and the submission game.
If Hughes did have a 'chance' I fail to see what it was.
BewareofDawg
12-31-2007, 02:06 PM
Outside of the "volatility of MMA" and the high risk of a "fluke Punch" landing. Meaning, GSP being caught off guard or making a dumb mistake, or going in there tentative.....I truly believe Hughes has no chance of winning this fight. This is very similar, different styles of course, but similar to Silva vs Franklin, in that Franklin had no way to beat him. Hughes has no way to beat St. Pierre. Anyone that thinks Hughes is going to get St. Pierre on his back, forget about then keeping him there to GnP him, is kidding themselves. St. Pierre made a mistake, an AMATEUR mistake at that, in the first fight and Hughes did a very basic basic basic move to beat him. You learn that in 1st grade of BJJ, if someone over commits on a kimura.....you armbar them. It is by no means an indication that Hughes has any shot of doing it again to GSP. but everything GSP did in the rematch, he can and will do again....outstrike him, take him down, stuff his takedowns, pass his guard, and knock him out :deal :deal :deal :deal GSP is more skilled, more athletic, stronger, quicker, and more hungry.....he's going to destroy him. Simple as that :good
Sometimes a simple "I told you so" doesn't quite say it :yep
codeman99998
12-31-2007, 03:20 PM
Thank you Boinko.
Just to recap: :D
Like I said, GSP not only outstruck Hughes on their feet but he took Hughes down at will and held him down thoroughly outwrestling him. (Hughes' forte)
GSP even performed better than I thought he would, submitting Hughes using BJJ, something I thought Hughes might have the edge with. But nope.
He was dominated in the striking, the wrestling and the submission game.
If Hughes did have a 'chance' I fail to see what it was.
Whatever dude. He won the first fight, and that proves he had a chance.
Matt Serra said it perfectly about his fight before GSP. "You don't have to be the better striker to outstrike someone in MMA." He might as well have said fight instead of strike. No one is completely immune to getting caught in a quick submission, and also, we now know that GSP can be hurt if he gets caught.
Obviously Matt wasnt the favorite and obviously he got dominated, but he had a chance.
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