Marquez will take Fanny Pac to school.

[EpsilonAxis]

Discuss. :cool:

[Boom_Boom]

I wouldnt be surprise to see it happen but i doubt it will.

It wont be like the 1st fight, with Manny just throwing the left all night long and Marquez wont be dumb enough to trade with Pacman again.....or will he?

[KayEpps]

As long as he doesn't get caught with any flush shots.

Manny showed that he has no problems putting Marquez down - if he get's caught.

However - I take Marquez in this fight - I believe he'll outbox PacMan and try not to get caught with any big shots.

[Daft P]

I see this one being closer than the first, but Marquez is still the favourite. Pacman improved a lot since 2003, just compare his performances against Morales. He works a lot better with his right jab, his defence has improved and the left is still horrible.

At the same time Marquez is over his prime, that was obvious against Barrera.

Still, I think Marquez has enough to quit with a close decision, Pacman pressing the action all night, Marquez being more accurate. Marquez by close UD or MD in 12 rounds.

[Axl_Nose]

I think what you'll see is a Marquez masterclass, i thought Marquez won the first fight with some beautifull boxing, he is a vastly under appreciated fighter but hes technically brilliant and could compete in any era .. Manny has improved since the first meeting and is a fantastic fighter but he cant outbox Marquez so he'll have to try and get the job done early. I think Manny will come out fast in the first 4 rounds but after that i'd expect Marquez to measure him and pick him off for a fairly comfortable UD

[hooligan]

heard this one before...with the likes of morales, barrera and now jmm...

i can almost see "juan diaz will take fanny pac to school" thread in the near fututre...

[divac]

heard this one before...with the likes of morales, barrera and now jmm...

i can almost see "juan diaz will take fanny pac to school" thread in the near fututre...

Yeah, but JMM has done it already......and unlike Erik Morales, JMM is'nt coming off losing to the likes of Raheem and looking absolutely atrocious in the process!:deal

JMM once again by way of schooling!:yep

[divac]

Not this time he won't, Pacman by UD this time around.


What?
Somebody picking Pac and not by KO?

This is an outrage!!!:(


:lol: :D ;)

[BodyBlaster]

Marquez, IMO, is the best boxer in the game, after PBF.
Technically, he is excellent, and to recover like he did after 1st round last time v Manny, and lets be honest, he won that fight, shows how far superior he is.

Only was Manny wins this, is if he catches him cold again, otherwise Marquez will box his ears off.

[Axl_Nose]

Marquez, IMO, is the best boxer in the game, after PBF.
Technically, he is excellent, and to recover like he did after 1st round last time v Manny, and lets be honest, he won that fight, shows how far superior he is.

Only was Manny wins this, is if he catches him cold again, otherwise Marquez will box his ears off.

Excellent post, total agreement

[divac]

Marquez, IMO, is the best boxer in the game, after PBF.
Technically, he is excellent, and to recover like he did after 1st round last time v Manny, and lets be honest, he won that fight, shows how far superior he is.

Only was Manny wins this, is if he catches him cold again, otherwise Marquez will box his ears off.

JMM knows exactly what to expect of Pacquiao as far as quickness, speed and punching power is concerned......

....catching JMM cold cannot be an excuse this time around.

Unless either fighter gets robbed on the scorecards, there should'nt be any excuses as far as performance is concerned from either side!

[LeonardLeroy]

Um, um, ummmm

Pac by KO

[hellblazer]

my prediction Pac TKOs Marquez in the 9th round.

possible excuses of Marquez and mexican fans: Marquez is another old and faded warrior (he's turning 35 for christ's sake!!), if Marquez was still in his prime...he could KTFO and put Pacman into a coma...the BS prime for prime threads will proliferate again, discrediting Pac's win over Marquez.

Marquez overtrained for this fight, because as early as December he has been training at the Otomi Mountains.

[jecxbox]

lol, well we should just be glad this fight is happening, because both of these fighters are in their Prime right now.

[enzo]

let's see... :yep

[Silvermags]

my prediction Pac TKOs Marquez in the 9th round.

possible excuses of Marquez and mexican fans: Marquez is another old and faded warrior (he's turning 35 for christ's sake!!), if Marquez was still in his prime...he could KTFO and put Pacman into a coma...the BS prime for prime threads will proliferate again, discrediting Pac's win over Marquez.

Marquez overtrained for this fight, because as early as December he has been training at the Otomi Mountains.

There will always be some fans who will make EXCUSES. Good thing there is Divac who would not make any excuses. EXPECT SOME strange COMMENTS FROM BLACK If PAC WINS!

Win or lose for both fighters no excuses! Knowing that PAC takes all his opponents seriously and fredie roach is there again to train him. I'm confident PAC will win this fight convincingly.

If PAC wins CONGRATS PAC!!! :happy :happy :happy
If JMM wins CONGRATS JMM!!! :happy :happy :happy

[pound4pound]

a prime jmm back in 2004 couldn't even beat a 1-d manny pac. his chances now are very slim... :smoke

[Silvermags]

a prime jmm back in 2004 couldn't even beat a 1-d manny pac. his chances now are very slim... :smoke

You comments make sense but as far as black and divac is concerned JMM will school pac!:huh :nut :patsch

[psychopath]

Marquez will take Fanny Pac to school.

Yeah no problem :D . . . I can see Pac passing school . . . with flying colors. :yep

:good

[Morrissey]

Once more, the schooling myth is being paddled around here like it is the gospel thruth..

This time, Marquez and Nacho will take Pac to prison. AFter Pac brutalizes and slaugthers JMM..:yep

[hellblazer]

Once more, the schooling myth is being paddled around here like it is the gospel thruth..

This time, Marquez and Nacho will take Pac to prison. AFter Pac brutalizes and slaugthers JMM..:yep

ditto :good

[JMotrain]

I believe Marquez will thoroughly outbox Pac to a wide UD.

[enzo]

PAC by KO

[Robbi]

Im not sure about this fight. A major concern for Marquez, his chin. Im not saying he's got a weak chin, but he was floored three times during the first fight, and Barrera knocked him down with a single right hand. However, this weakness also brings out a positive aspect in his make up. Recovery powers. I thought he really outscored Pacquaio after surviving the 1st and 2nd rounds. He boxed very well and picked Pacquaio apart. And he came back very well during the late rounds against Barrera.

I think Marquez has the style to cause Pacquaio problems, no question. He's a better fighter as well IMO. Better balanced across the board. Jab, accuracy, speed, power, defense, equal effectiveness with either hand, combinations, ring generalship.

Pacquaio won't pressure Marquez like he did the first fight. He'll stand off a bit like he did against Barrera in the rematch.

[Robbi]

IMO, Pacquaio will play into Marquez's hands if he constantly rushes forward looking to take his head off. I'm convinced Pacquaio will hang back for long periods of the fight, become less predictable so to speak.

[Robbi]

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Thats whats going to happen to Pacquaio if he constantly rushes forward.

[knockout]

Will i can see Pac beating Marquez in a close match of which Pac will knock down Marquez if not knockout.
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[Morrissey]

I actually can see the scenario where PAc abandon his reckless style to be more controlled and deliberate in his offense. Now, the question is, will it be more effective for him against JMM?

In a way, it can lure JMM into attacking him, and in an exchange, I'd favor Pac anytime, with his power and speed.

Though I would prefer Pac attacking and pressuring JMM all through out the fight. He has to utilize his advantages, and make JMM feel his real age.

[enzo]

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Thats whats gonna happen to Marquez if he thinks Pac is the same fighter he fought before... the difference is he's not gonna survive this time around.

[grabbaman]

i think that PAC will KO Marquez late in the fight. The way I see it plaing is that JMM would try to outbox PAC but as the fight progresses it is PAC who'll be able to time his shots and hit JMM with flush shots to the head! JMM will have his moments though. Before the fight PAC I tink will be a 3 to 2 favorite.

[divac]

IMO, Pacquaio will play into Marquez's hands if he constantly rushes forward looking to take his head off. I'm convinced Pacquaio will hang back for long periods of the fight, become less predictable so to speak.

The more I think about and really analyze the possibilities in this fight, the more a smile comes to my face!:D

Like you said, If Pac attacks with abandon, Marquez will put on a counterpunching exhibition.

.....now, I've thought of what you said of Pac hanging back as he did vs Barrera.
If you looked at the Barrera fight, MAB actually had success when he actually made up his mind to initiate exchanges with Pac......but for some reason (likely being already mentally psyched out going in) he did'nt want to take those chances to often.
.....thus MAB fought like a man on a mission not to get KTFO. Thats almost never a winning game plan.

I dont think that will be the case with JMM.
When JMM fought Pac, Marquez actually attacked Pac when Pac wanted a rest period.

If Pac sits in the pocket standing still or moving back, I thing we're going to see JMM take the fight to Pac.....I've seen it, and Emmanuel Steward has alluded to it many times on Pac fight broadcasts, Pac does't do well when forced to retreat.
....we even saw it in the last MAB fight, whenever MAB attacked, instead of instinctively makeing a move to throw a countershot, Pac retreated first, and had to set himself to throw back a counter.....
....in other words he was showing his hand, and makeing MAB stop the aggression when he saw Pac retreat and set up to dish back.



One thing is certain, if Pac wants to sit back and play off the jab as he did with MAB.....we saw what JMM did to MAB when he tried to play that game......
....the only difference is that Pac will not stand for JMM to initiate and land on him without losing his composure and wanting to get right back at JMM......
If Pac wants to try his hand at jabbing, with JMM already moving to his left away from Pac's power, we're going to see Marquez parry that jab, and with Pac jabbing, that will leave the right side of his rib cage exposed for Marquez to land his hook to the body!

.....I mean, I see absolutely no way that JMM is not going force Pac to come to him.
JMM is a very accurate puncher. If he leads, he will land, and thats going to force Pac to have to return fire.

I am certain that Pac is not going to beat JMM on the counter makeing JMM lead.
MAB tried that and JMM was initiating and finishing the exchanges.
....and MAB is alot more cerebral than Pac is!


JMM is just not going to be beat cerebrally.
As far as I see, Pac has no choice but to attack, he will not outthink or outmanuver the fighter who has been doing it at the highest level his entire career.

I'm smiling from ear to ear the more I think of this matchup!:D :bbb :yep

[Silvermags]

The more I think about and really analyze the possibilities in this fight, the more a smile comes to my face!:D

Like you said, If Pac attacks with abandon, Marquez will put on a counterpunching exhibition.

.....now, I've thought of what you said of Pac hanging back as he did vs Barrera.
If you looked at the Barrera fight, MAB actually had success when he actually made up his mind to initiate exchanges with Pac......but for some reason (likely being already mentally psyched out going in) he did'nt want to take those chances to often.
.....thus MAB fought like a man on a mission not to get KTFO. Thats almost never a winning game plan.

I dont think that will be the case with JMM.
When JMM fought Pac, Marquez actually attacked Pac when Pac wanted a rest period.

If Pac sits in the pocket standing still or moving back, I thing we're going to see JMM take the fight to Pac.....I've seen it, and Emmanuel Steward has alluded to it many times on Pac fight broadcasts, Pac does't do well when forced to retreat.
....we even saw it in the last MAB fight, whenever MAB attacked, instead of instinctively makeing a move to throw a countershot, Pac retreated first, and had to set himself to throw back a counter.....
....in other words he was showing his hand, and makeing MAB stop the aggression when he saw Pac retreat and set up to dish back.



One thing is certain, if Pac wants to sit back and play off the jab as he did with MAB.....we saw what JMM did to MAB when he tried to play that game......
....the only difference is that Pac will not stand for JMM to initiate and land on him without losing his composure and wanting to get right back at JMM......
If Pac wants to try his hand at jabbing, with JMM already moving to his left away from Pac's power, we're going to see Marquez parry that jab, and with Pac jabbing, that will leave the right side of his rib cage exposed for Marquez to land his hook to the body!

.....I mean, I see absolutely no way that JMM is not going force Pac to come to him.
JMM is a very accurate puncher. If he leads, he will land, and thats going to force Pac to have to return fire.

I am certain that Pac is not going to beat JMM on the counter makeing JMM lead.
MAB tried that and JMM was initiating and finishing the exchanges.
....and MAB is alot more cerebral than Pac is!


JMM is just not going to be beat cerebrally.
As far as I see, Pac has no choice but to attack, he will not outthink or outmanuver the fighter who has been doing it at the highest level his entire career.

I'm smiling from ear to ear the more I think of this matchup!:D :bbb :yep

You analysis might make you and the rest of the JMM fans smile but at the end of the day. It's their PUNCHES who will do the talking in the ring not you and me!

So lets get it on :bbb :bbb :bbb

[divac]

You analysis might make you and the rest of the JMM fans smile but at the end of the day. It's their PUNCHES who will do the talking in the ring not you and me!

So lets get it on :bbb :bbb :bbb

Exactly my friend.....but we can have fun opiniating and speculating!:D :yep :happy :bbb

[Silvermags]

Exactly my friend.....but we can have fun opiniating and speculating!:D :yep :happy :bbb

:smoke :good :thumbsup

fast forward /ADVANCE question to my buddy divac...

If pac beats JMM who should pac fight next?

If jmm beats PAC who should jmm fight next?

[reed_man02]

:smoke :good :thumbsup

fast forward /ADVANCE question to my buddy divac...

If pac beats JMM who should pac fight next?

If jmm beats PAC who should jmm fight next?

you are one weird guy.:yep

I find you amusing though.:deal

[rjamesd1]

JMM knows exactly what to expect of Pacquiao as far as quickness, speed and punching power is concerned......

....catching JMM cold cannot be an excuse this time around.

Unless either fighter gets robbed on the scorecards, there should'nt be any excuses as far as performance is concerned from either side!

Can't you post without the word.....EXCUSES? It's too early yet and your'e already talking about excuses already. Now I know you'll never be a good sportsman.:hat

[Boxer-puncher]

Manny pacquiao is in for another boxing lesson 101 in March so he better be prepared to go all out. He needs to be in the best shape of his life to beat a man on a mission, Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez will win by a stunning TKO.

[enzo]

PACMAN will pass the exam with flying colors!

[rjamesd1]

Marquez, IMO, is the best boxer in the game, after PBF.
Technically, he is excellent, and to recover like he did after 1st round last time v Manny, and lets be honest, he won that fight, shows how far superior he is.

Only was Manny wins this, is if he catches him cold again, otherwise Marquez will box his ears off.

Then how come he is only getting paid with peanuts? He won't even make a million without fighting PACMAN. He even went for a what .....$30,000. Is that the kind of pay a top caliber would be receiving?:hat

[Boxer-puncher]

Just like he passed the exam in flying colors against an unknown Solis and a warn torn barrera?

[rjamesd1]

Manny pacquiao is in for another boxing lesson 101 in March so he better be prepared to go all out. He needs to be in the best shape of his life to beat a man on a mission, Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez will win by a stunning TKO.

He can't even TKO a one eyed JUAREZ in their last fight, what are you talking about? :hat

[Boxer-puncher]

Then how come he is only getting paid with peanuts? He won't even make a million without fighting PACMAN. He even went for a what .....$30,000. Is that the kind of pay a top caliber would be receiving?:hat

Possessing great skills has little to do with a fighter's worth and Marquez' paycheck doesn't reflect his true ability.

[enzo]

Just like he passed the exam in flying colors against an unknown Solis and a warn torn barrera?


He KOed Solis and beat Barrera in his own game i think thats more than just passing grades... JMM can't even pass the Chris John's midterm exams! :yep

[Robbi]

You honestly think Marquez has better speed and power? Those are the most clear advantages for Pac, IMO

You never read what I said. I said better across the board. More balanced as a package when averaging everything out. I did mention speed and power as two of the categorys, but don't automatically mean I favour Marquez over Pacquaio in those areas.

I'm not a nuthugger, and don't intend to starting being one.

[rjamesd1]

Just like he passed the exam in flying colors against an unknown Solis and a warn torn barrera?

By the way the war torn BARRERA you're talking about beat BEAT YOUR BOY JMM in their last fight IF THAT KNOCKDOWN was scored in BARRERA's favor, which it really was. If JMM was really that good the outcome of that fight would have been a UD or a tko. A questionable W isn't a mark of a real top GUN.:hat

[Boxer-puncher]

By the way the war torn BARRERA you're talking about beat BEAT YOUR BOY JMM in their last fight IF THAT KNOCKDOWN was scored in BARRERA's favor, which it really was. If JMM was really that good the outcome of that fight would have been a UD or a tko. A questionable W isn't a mark of a real top GUN.:hat

:lol: So marquez isn't a top gun? :nut

First of all, Barrera threw an illegal punch while marquez was down and he could have got disqualified but Nady let it slide so lets not cry about what should have been. MArquez beat him convincingly imo and i thought the scorecards were alot closer than i expected.

[rjamesd1]

:lol: So marquez isn't a top gun? :nut

First of all, Barrera threw an illegal punch while marquez was down and he could have got disqualified but Nady let it slide so lets not cry about what should have been. MArquez beat him convincingly imo and i thought the scorecards were alot closer than i expected.

If you're a TOP GUN you would be drawing out crowds, JMM with JUAREZ is an obvious example.:nono

[Boxer-puncher]

If you're a TOP GUN you would be drawing out crowds, JMM with JUAREZ is an obvious example.:nono

Prior to the delahoya and hatton fight, Mayweather wasn't exactly a big attraction either so i guess this means that he wasn't a top gun?

:patsch

[charlievint]

Discuss. :cool:

Similar threads came out right before each of the MAB vs PAC fights and EM vs PAC fights.....all threads got shut down immediately after the fights took place and PAC announce the winner by UD or KO. The same will happen with this thread.:smoke

[charlievint]

Marquez, IMO, is the best boxer in the game, after PBF.
Technically, he is excellent, and to recover like he did after 1st round last time v Manny, and lets be honest, he won that fight, shows how far superior he is.

Only was Manny wins this, is if he catches him cold again, otherwise Marquez will box his ears off.

Being "TECHNICAL" in the ring with great skill is always a benefit to have but to be a CHAMPION and a great one at that takes a bit more than just being a Technically sound fighter....of course that is a plus but MAB is technically sound and JMM lost to MAB in My opinion...it was close but I felt MAB pulled it out. Given that preformance against a guy PAC completely outboxed and dominated...JMM has little chance to "Box PAC's Ears off" He may have some spots where he is impressive but at the end of the day he doesn't do any better against PAC than MAB did in his 2nd try.

[nighthunter]

a prime jmm back in 2004 couldn't even beat a 1-d manny pac. his chances now are very slim... :smoke
:lol: :lol: :lol:
PAC vs JMM are not yet started and yet look at this post!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
how about the win against the great MAB :patsch :patsch :patsch
there is always excuse:happy :happy :happy

[Silvermags]

Marquez will win by a stunning TKO.

He can't knock out Juarez then he will TKO Pac?! :patsch . Simply amazing! :nut :rofl :nut

[nighthunter]

He can't knock out Juarez then he will TKO Pac?! :patsch . Simply amazing! :nut :rofl :nut
I can't wait to see this fight silver :lol: :lol: :lol:
so we can celebrate who ever win :happy :happy :happy

[Boxer-puncher]

He can't knock out Juarez then he will TKO Pac?! :patsch . Simply amazing! :nut :rofl :nut

Styles make fights and each match is different. Fighters approach each fight in a different manner or did you not know that?

Are you Filipino? then I expect you to be pretty new to the sport. :lol:

[Boxer-puncher]

He can't knock out Juarez then he will TKO Pac?! :patsch . Simply amazing! :nut :rofl :nut

How come Pac TKO'd Barrera but couldn't do the same to a former 122 washed up Larios?

Oh because he was carrying the fight right?:nut

[Silvermags]

How come Pac TKO'd Barrera but couldn't do the same to a former 122 washed up Larios?

Oh because he was carrying the fight right?:nut

Simply put he has an EASIER time with Mab though Mab is perceived to a better than Larios.

If you think JMM can KO pAC. Think again his last 7 FIGHTS! Who did he really KO and who is PAC. I know you are a fan like me but think twice or thrice WHO DID HE REALLY KO'd in his past 7 fights COMPARED to PAC?! After reflecting and you still think JMM can KO pac so be it.
I will respect it :yep :good but PLS not DAMN excuse afterwards. No problem no excuse for me too! :hey

[Alo2006]

JMM will win :yep

[puga_ni_nana]

Simply put he has an EASIER time with Mab though Mab is perceived to a better than Larios.

If you think JMM can KO pAC. Think again his last 7 FIGHTS! Who did he really KO and who is PAC. I know you are a fan like me but think twice or thrice WHO DID HE REALLY KO'd in his past 7 fights COMPARED to PAC?! After reflecting and you still think JMM can KO pac so be it.
I will respect it :yep :good but PLS not DAMN excuse afterwards. No problem no excuse for me too! :hey

don't expect a guy like this not making excuses afterwards.
he disses out the morales fight as if it was nothing.

[hmi]

IMO, Pacquaio will play into Marquez's hands if he constantly rushes forward looking to take his head off. I'm convinced Pacquaio will hang back for long periods of the fight, become less predictable so to speak.
Finally a JMM fan who gives a little respect to Pacman. Not the usual Pacquiao doesn't think and will just rush forward like the first fight.

[LockDog387]

Why do people say Marquez is past his prime when he has improved A LOT as a superfeatherweight? He's not even suppose to be a superfeatherweight and he's dominating the division, he clearly beat Barrera and dominated hard hitter Rocky Juarez. Marquez looks comfortable as a superfeatherweight and I have him winning against Pacquiao

[hmi]

Why do people say Marquez is past his prime when he has improved A LOT as a superfeatherweight? He's not even suppose to be a superfeatherweight and he's dominating the division, he clearly beat Barrera and dominated hard hitter Rocky Juarez. Marquez looks comfortable as a superfeatherweight and I have him winning against Pacquiao
Just in case that JMM will lose the fight, his excuse is already prepared.