Greater Skillset Doesnt Mean Greater Fighter

[acb]

Ive noticed a lot of posters on this forum say that Floyd is a better fighter than either SRL or Roy Jones Jr because he is a more well balance fighter or has a more complete skillset. Inevitably this goes back to him having better defense than these two fighters, which is true.

This is a fallacy in logic. The better fighter is the one which wins, no matter the skill set. Yes most great fighters have many facets to their game, but many great fighters did a few things outstanding and hid their deficits by doing so.

[Club Fighter]

In terms of boxing greatness, PBF KO4 RJJ, PBF KO5 SRL

[acb]

In terms of boxing greatness, PBF KO4 RJJ, PBF KO5 SRL

And what constitutes greatness to you?

[Shake]

A little nuance would be nice. Floyd has accomplished alot of things, and has moved up several weights more than needed to chase bigger purses, competing with heavier opposition. The fight with De La Hoya was brave, no matter how you look at it.

It's only natural that he fights a little more defensively. Duran couldn't fight inside with Hagler from bell-to-bell, so he didn't. It's a natural progression as the level of opposition rises and your options are limited.

That said, no, a greater skillset doesn't make you greater, it makes you more skilled. Greatness is an intangible. If you meant 'better', again I have to agree with you. A more skilled fighter that's bested in athleticism, heart, mental prowess, power and speed is not a better fighter than this imaginary comparison.

[Toopretty]

FLOYD a more "Well Balanced Fighter"??? If you don't count OFFENSE he is...
And please PBF ball huggers dont give me the shit "Ohh but he was more offensive minded 5 years ago" I guess if you show offense 2 out of 10 times youre well balanced. And I love the line " Oh you should see the Corrales fight" yeah right, you should've seen me in High School when I busted this kids nose.



Aint nobody no nuthugger but dumb bitches like you would think that. An undefeated lightweight fighter moving up and knocking some guys out in the meantime and outboxing everybody he has ever faced clearly. And the only thing his has less then both is power. Period. That is it. everything else is no question. Roy was more dominate in his prime. Sugar fought a whole bunch of stiffs before fighting benitez and hearns. I mean get a fucking life if you watch floyd in the corrales fight, gatti fight or mitchell fight or ODH fight in which he showcased that he can beat a middle weight fighting at welter weight 149pounds. you jackass mutt lick ASS :signs:signs:signs:signs:smh:smh:smh:smh:smh:smh:smh:smh:smh:smh

[acb]

Too Pretty and Chimba, dont jack this thread. :deal

[DanePugilist]

Well the ones that says that Floyd has a better skillset than those guys mentioned are obviously blind or clueless.

They were both greater fighters and had better skillset. End of discussion.

[rustyj]

Yes il admit he's brave for taking the decisions, but would he have fought DLH when he was fightin whittaker and trinidad? Those are questions best left unanswered. AT present, Floyd has the opportunity to display his skills by besting with Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, and put all the doubts to bed by fighting Margarito. IMO to determine a great fighter would be a mixture of skills and the heart to fight the best there is in the fighters radar.

Therefore, you cant deny SRL status as a great fighter in comparison to PBF. SRL proved to us he had the cojones to tussle with Hagler, Hearns and Duran. Yes he had the skills, but what made him great was taking these fights.

[acb]

Im not jackin it... all I have are facts nothing else, I dont even have an opinion, I just state facts

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[igotJUIC3]

you cant keep comparing Floyd to SRL because he is a legend and HOF...Floyd isnt done....RJJ should be done but he is in denial.

If you ever listen people all the time sy Floyd is the best boxer period because he has all the tools and skillsets plus a great defense....BUT if you ever listen they never call him a great because he hasnt fought the best and that is the ONLY thing that keeps him from being on the same level as SRL.

[acb]

exactly right. great post. floyd is right there as you said. he needs to take these career defining fights, he will have earned his atg status, and can not be denied. he made his $, won his belts, and now it's time to solidify his place in history. if he chooses not to he will always face these doubts, and criticizing.

The problem is that Floyd sees his legacy in the dollar figures he makes. To him, he isnt respected if he isnt paid DLH type money, even though he does not have DLH market appeal.

I can guarantee you Floyd is not going to start taking these fights without huge checks, sometimes too huge.

[SugarRay]

Yes il admit he's brave for taking the decisions, but would he have fought DLH when he was fightin whittaker and trinidad? Those are questions best left unanswered. AT present, Floyd has the opportunity to display his skills by besting with Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, and put all the doubts to bed by fighting Margarito. IMO to determine a great fighter would be a mixture of skills and the heart to fight the best there is in the fighters radar.

Therefore, you cant deny SRL status as a great fighter in comparison to PBF. SRL proved to us he had the cojones to tussle with Hagler, Hearns and Duran. Yes he had the skills, but what made him great was taking these fights.

Totally agreed! When Leonard was down and getting outboxed by Hearns he dug deep and out punched Hearns. I don't see Mayweather wanting to take risky fights.

[Toopretty]

Son, shut the fuck up and learn, SRL well past his prime went up to light heavyweight and KTFO Golden Boy Donny Lalonde (WBC Champ), do you even know these guys?? Boxing history 101, learn my bitch

yeah I know him and he was garbage. Nobody is dissing sugar. Mutts like you diss floyd. A fighter that fights handicapped fights (ODH/mayweather) that was a handicap. Sugar Ray always fought on an even playing field. Mayweather took on guys way bigger then him. Two-three weight classes. I respect that being as though these guys are good pros. You are a biased idiot. Its one thing not to like the personality but another to diss the fighter in the ring that as BOB ARUM who doesnt even like floyd said."the most talented fighter I have ever seen" Coming from ARUM who has no benefit in any way in Floyd anymore. Having seen all the greats, I mean eat a bag:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead

[igotJUIC3]

yeah I know him and he was garbage. Nobody is dissing sugar. Mutts like you diss floyd. A fighter that fights handicapped fights (ODH/mayweather) that was a handicap. Sugar Ray always fought on an even playing field. Mayweather took on guys way bigger then him. Two-three weight classes. I respect that being as though these guys are good pros. You are a biased idiot. Its one thing not to like the personality but another to diss the fighter in the ring that as BOB ARUM who doesnt even like floyd said."the most talented fighter I have ever seen" Coming from ARUM who has no benefit in any way in Floyd anymore. Having seen all the greats, I mean eat a bag:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead

exactly and ARUM isnt even the only one who says it!

[bigtime9]

you cant keep comparing Floyd to SRL because he is a legend and HOF...Floyd isnt done....RJJ should be done but he is in denial.

If you ever listen people all the time sy Floyd is the best boxer period because he has all the tools and skillsets plus a great defense....BUT if you ever listen they never call him a great because he hasnt fought the best and that is the ONLY thing that keeps him from being on the same level as SRL.


floyd has fought the best fighters out there. if he fights and beats mosley, hatton, and cotto what excuse will you use then.

[MSTR]

floyd has fought the best fighters out there. if he fights and beats mosley, hatton, and cotto what excuse will you use then.
No excuse. If he beats those guys then he truley has faced the best in boxing, as opposed to his resume now which apart from Corrales, Castillo and Oscar is fairly average. Even then Corrales has shown his limitations in the ring and whilst Castillo was a top guy, he has never been considered top p4p material.

[MSTR]

I don't think Floyd even has the best skill set to be honest. Look at what Roy did to guys in comparison. Do you think Roy Jones in his prime would have had trouble with guys like Castillo, or Augustus? Floyd has speed, but he lacks the ability to throw in combinations effectively. He has average power. He is still a great great fighter, but I wouldn't say he has a better skill set to SRL or RJJ or any of the other great champions in boxing.

[rekcutnevets]

Floyd just lacks power. He has eveything else. Defense, offense, combinations. He has lumped some people up. He walked Judah down after being outboxed the first 4 out of 5 rounds. That was last year, not years ago. Sharmba Mitchell didn't seem to like what he was tasting. He is technically superior to Jones Jr.

Jones was faster for his weight than Mayweather, and more powerful there as well. Jones technique was not bad, it just isn't Floyd's. Jones was more exciting to watch from the stand point of what happens when he let's his hands go.

I would give the nod to Jones on resume now, but if Mayweather does not retire, that could change.

[istmeno]

yeah I know him and he was garbage. Nobody is dissing sugar. Mutts like you diss floyd. A fighter that fights handicapped fights (ODH/mayweather) that was a handicap. Sugar Ray always fought on an even playing field. Mayweather took on guys way bigger then him. Two-three weight classes. I respect that being as though these guys are good pros. You are a biased idiot. Its one thing not to like the personality but another to diss the fighter in the ring that as BOB ARUM who doesnt even like floyd said."the most talented fighter I have ever seen" Coming from ARUM who has no benefit in any way in Floyd anymore. Having seen all the greats, I mean eat a bag:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead

do you think about what you type or do you just hit keys and spew b.s.

let me give you a few examples of even playing field.

quotes from the playboy interview srl " i knew that duran was living high and i wanted to get him in the ring as soon as possible because i knew there was no way he could get fully prepared. and i was already in training"

hagler big ring, thumbless gloves, 12 round fight when championship fights were still 15 rounds

the lalonde joke. lalonde was the 175 champ, but for this bullshit show, lalonde was made to drain to 168 so srl could fight for two titles in one night.

yea srl always fought on an even playing field. bullshit.

dlh is simply carrying on in the tradition established by srl.

[MSTR]

And yet PBF UD12 Baldomir and Judah. :roll:
Your must be feeling generous to even reply to a comment like that. Some people on here need serious help.

[cuchulain]

In terms of boxing greatness, PBF KO4 RJJ, PBF KO5 SRL


You're judgment re: fighters is about as spot-on as your judgments re: beer drinkers and wine drinkers.

In terms of raw skill, Floyd deserves a mention in the same sentence as SRL and RJJ, as he is ONE of the most skilled boxers of the last 50 years. But he's not quite up there with those dudes. When we widen our consideration to such matters as athleticism, onorthodox brilliance, daring, balls, willingness to take on all comers, he falls quite a bit short of the aforementioned duo.

(Others in whose shadow he labours include Duran, Robinson, Whittaker, Hearns, Ali etc.)

[Toopretty]

do you think about what you type or do you just hit keys and spew b.s.

let me give you a few examples of even playing field.

quotes from the playboy interview srl " i knew that duran was living high and i wanted to get him in the ring as soon as possible because i knew there was no way he could get fully prepared. and i was already in training"

hagler big ring, thumbless gloves, 12 round fight when championship fights were still 15 rounds

the lalonde joke. lalonde was the 175 champ, but for this bullshit show, lalonde was made to drain to 168 so srl could fight for two titles in one night.

yea srl always fought on an even playing field. bullshit.

dlh is simply carrying on in the tradition established by srl.


HEY! I was being genorous, what I meant was that he never took a challenge in which he was at a disadvantage. YOU blasted Ray. I was being kind in saying he just fought on the even. Floyd fought at disadvantages the last few years. :blood:blood:blood:blood:blood:blood:blood:blood:blood

[brooklyn1550]

I don't think Floyd even has the best skill set to be honest. Look at what Roy did to guys in comparison. Do you think Roy Jones in his prime would have had trouble with guys like Castillo, or Augustus? Floyd has speed, but he lacks the ability to throw in combinations effectively. He has average power. He is still a great great fighter, but I wouldn't say he has a better skill set to SRL or RJJ or any of the other great champions in boxing.

:yep He doesn't put his punches together nearly as well as Jones or Leonard did

[SugarRay]

floyd has fought the best fighters out there. if he fights and beats mosley, hatton, and cotto what excuse will you use then.

No, he hasn't fought the best fighters out there. He hasn't fought Mosley, Hatton nor Cotton. If (big IF) he ever fights them and lose what's your excuse???