Pavlik/Mayweather

[dave]

This could be a hell of a fight the greatest boxer of this era vs the knock out artist of this era. If the fight ever happens it would be massive for boxing as both fighters are great at what they do and Pavlik has the fans to make for a great atmosphere. This would be a difficult fight to pick a winner from....no reach advatage for PBF so you figure he would have to use all his tricks and more to avoid the big punches that Pavlik would be raining down on him. Pavlik would have to be careful not to chase PBF too much and avoid looking foolish by missing a lot and growing tired from swinging at air, if he catches PBF with some could shots would it slow him down and become a pavlik fight of power and grit which we know that Pavlik has in abundance.

Or will this fight never happen due to politics size or time, I hope it does.

[slo100]

I doubt it would happen, Mayweather is getting more and more concerned about testing his mettle. Not taking anything away from his skill but he knows that fights like Hatton and De La Hoya really force him to pull out his A game and anyone who disagrees can't explain then why he didn't knock hatton out earlier and why he didn't win by more than a split decision against de la hoya. Pavlik would be way to big and way to strong.. surely Pavlik is very crude whence compared to Mayweather, but his height and reach advantage, let alone power and chin would be way too much for Mayweather, IF Pavlik didn't manage to connect with his power shots(which would surely end Mayweathers night) he would still take the decision on aggressiveness and points, even if he's not hitting clean Pavlik would throw non stop on Mayweathers guard all night and land so much that no level of precision pot-shotting could sway the judges in Mayweathers favour, as such offense would not slow down Pavlik in the slightest.

[TFFP]

Mayweather could very easily win this fight, and I wouldn't even be suprised to see him hurt Pavlik, if not stop him

[Relentless]

Mayweather could very easily win this fight, and I wouldn't even be suprised to see him hurt Pavlik, if not stop him

i was about to rip you a new ass hole and fuck you through it but then i remembered you are a 16 year old british chav hatton fan.

[startown81]

Mayweather could very easily win this fight, and I wouldn't even be suprised to see him hurt Pavlik, if not stop him
No way. Thats ridiculas. I would be very suprised if mayweather can make it to the 12.

[guncho]

with all respect to Floyd I still think Pavlik would be to big for him! He could outbox him but eventuly would get caught!

[guncho]

No way. Thats ridiculas. I would be very suprised if mayweather can make it to the 12.

same here!:good

[TFFP]

i was about to rip you a new ass hole and fuck you through it but then i remembered you are a 16 year old british chav hatton fan. Hehe...

I'm glad I've wound you up at some point. I'm 21, and I'm not really a great Hatton fan and have only ever bigged him up to wind up spastic yanks such as yourself. Looks like it worked

I think you'd all be suprised. Pavlik is just not very good. He is just waiting to get knocked out, and it will happen when he faces a better fighter than Jermain Taylor. You can't hit what you can't catch, Mayweather would see him coming a mile off and would counter with absolute ease to an easy decision

[Pro]

Hehe...

I'm glad I've wound you up at some point. I'm 21, and I'm not really a great Hatton fan and have only ever bigged him up to wind up spastic yanks such as yourself. Looks like it worked

I think you'd all be suprised. Pavlik is just not very good. He is just waiting to get knocked out, and it will happen when he faces a better fighter than Jermain Taylor. You can't hit what you can't catch, Mayweather would see him coming a mile off and would counter with absolute ease to an easy decision

This has been done before i think it may be 4 or 5 of us (in the forum) who think Floyd would beat Pavlik from here on out be prepared to be called all types of names and other discrepencies but just know if the fight did happen you would win a lot of money...

Pavlik is a slow 1,2,1,2 fighter and wouldn't be able to knock Floyd out over the course of 12 rounds he's flat footed and very obvious all he has is a puncher's chance but all anybody has ever had against Floyd is a punchers chance and he's no different. Speed and technique wins Floyd the middleweight championship of the world.

[pioterbezkitu]

I'm a huge Pavlik supporter but I actually can see PBF winning a boring UD, scoring with two or three clean punches per round, slipping Pavlik's punches, grabbing and running.

[TFFP]

This has been done before i think it may be 4 or 5 of us (in the forum) who think Floyd would beat Pavlik from here on out be prepared to be called all types of names and other discrepencies but just know if the fight did happen you would win a lot of money...

Pavlik is a slow 1,2,1,2 fighter and wouldn't be able to knock Floyd out over the course of 12 rounds he's flat footed and very obvious all he has is a puncher's chance but all anybody has ever had against Floyd is a punchers chance and he's no different. Speed and technique wins Floyd the middleweight championship of the world.
I don't give a shit, they know precisely fuck all about boxing

No way somebody as crude and predictable as Pavlik can beat Mayweather, no matter how much bigger or more powerful he is

[Goose]

there is noway Mayweather would be able to hang around with Pavlik
the man is just too big

[196osh]

Pavlik KO. Early at that.

[P.4.P.G.O.A.T.]

Wow - this might be the stupidest forum in history - you guys are talking about a fight between a guy who has a hard time making 160 and a natural 135 pounder. If you want to talk about what if's, who wins a fight between Floyd and Pacquiao.

[TFFP]

Wow - this might be the stupidest forum in history - you guys are talking about a fight between a guy who has a hard time making 160 and a natural 135 pounder. If you want to talk about what if's, who wins a fight between Floyd and Pacquiao. That suggestion is a whole lot dumber

We need a newbie forum, where we can choose to promote the decent posters, and ditch the spastics like yourself

[Relentless]

pavlik weighs around 180 on fight night the highest mayweather ever weighed on fight night is 148, the shots mayweather blocks will hurt him, pavlik will dislocate mayweathers shoulders.

[Pro]

I don't give a shit, they know precisely fuck all about boxing

No way somebody as crude and predictable as Pavlik can beat Mayweather, no matter how much bigger or more powerful he is

Lol here it comes..... but i wholeheartly agree with you Pavlik would be outboxed....brains over brawn in boxing especially when you have the speed, defense, and offensive arsenal of Floyd Mayweather

[ChampionsForever]

Pavlik would actually win on the outside, he's jab would be like a ramrod to Joy. He would stop him, id love to see it :yep.

[running man]

this fight is a mismatch; what's with people thinking floyd is a god. he's just too small for pavlik, this would end in a knockout, probably an early round one.

[196osh]

pavlik weighs around 180 on fight night the highest mayweather ever weighed on fight night is 148, the shots mayweather blocks will hurt him, pavlik will dislocate mayweathers shoulders.

:good

[ravi B]

what did mayweather weigh on the night of the fight for the delahoya fight

pavlik wins too big and strong

[pngo]

Pavlik first or second round knockdown and maybe Floyd could last a little longer if he decides to run for his life the whole rounds.

[196osh]

what did mayweather weigh on the night of the fight for the delahoya fight

pavlik wins too big and strong

He weighed 148 on fight night.

[Mindspring]

Hehe...

I'm glad I've wound you up at some point. I'm 21, and I'm not really a great Hatton fan and have only ever bigged him up to wind up spastic yanks such as yourself. Looks like it worked

I think you'd all be suprised. Pavlik is just not very good. He is just waiting to get knocked out, and it will happen when he faces a better fighter than Jermain Taylor. You can't hit what you can't catch, Mayweather would see him coming a mile off and would counter with absolute ease to an easy decision

Now, let's change the subject. After he KO's Pav,how does Calzaghe do against PBF?. Another PBF KO? PBF is far quicker and more athletic than Joe. Right? Finally, Joe loses his "O" by knockout to PBF.
Man, I don't PBF likes the Brits:lol: .

[Dostoevsky]

pavlik weighs around 180 on fight night the highest mayweather ever weighed on fight night is 148, the shots mayweather blocks will hurt him, pavlik will dislocate mayweathers shoulders.


Serious? :admin

[Keihule]

Mayweather could very easily win this fight, and I wouldn't even be suprised to see him hurt Pavlik, if not stop him

Im sorry man, but I have to laugh, there is no way floyd would ever stop Kelly Pavlik.

[TFFP]

Now, let's change the subject. After he KO's Pav,how does Calzaghe do against PBF?. Another PBF KO? PBF is far quicker and more athletic than Joe. Right? Finally, Joe loses his "O" by knockout to PBF.
Man, I don't PBF likes the Brits:lol: . This post is completely spastic, but I'll let you off in true Xmas spirit

Joe is miles faster than Pavlik. He's got a better jab. He has better hand speed. He has better defence. He has better footwork. He has a better chin. In short, he's better at boxing. Fuck it, he's better at singing, writing and is a reknowned wine connoisseur

In simpletons terms, he is a master in the fundamentals of boxing, and has everything in place to take advantage of the huge size difference

Pavlik is a plodding, one dimensional slugger

Cheerio

[Healy]

why would people want to see a guy that fought at 130 against a guy that fights at 160??

Fucking crazy

[HauntingTheHoly]

Lol here it comes..... but i wholeheartly agree with you Pavlik would be outboxed....brains over brawn in boxing especially when you have the speed, defense, and offensive arsenal of Floyd Mayweather
Brains over brawn would apply in something like.....accounting. This is boxing, and it's brawn over brains and skills. This is the whole reason we have different weight classes every few pounds. What did you think the purpose was in that? Little guys can beat bigger guys WITHIN REASON, but at a certain point the gap in size will equate to the little guy just being bitch-slapped the canvas. Note that every argument you and the other idiots favoring floyd have made could ALSO be applied if he fought a prime Riddick Bowe, George Foreman, Vitali Klitschko, etc. and are therefore fallacies. Your counter argument to that will be that those guys are much bigger than Pavlik, so it's not the same. The fallacy there is that you underestimate just how VERY significant Kelly's size advantage is over Floyd. Kelly is a huge middleweight, as big as they get. He could easily fight at 168 or even 175. Floyd is a small welter who could still make 140 no problem.

Floyd would be swatted like a little fly. Bitch slapped to the canvas. Endo story.

[Healy]

He would stop him, id love to see it :yep.
why? because in a fair fight PBF wont lose to anyone so put him in against a man that weights 2 stone heavier..

[pipe wrenched]

Floyd would have to take stick and move to an entirely new level. I'm not gonna say it would be impossible for Floyd to pull it off, but it is for damn sure improbable.

[Mindspring]

This post is completely spastic, but I'll let you off in true Xmas spirit

Joe is miles faster than Pavlik. He's got a better jab. He has better hand speed. He has better defence. He has better footwork. He has a better chin. In short, he's better at boxing. Fuck it, he's better at singing, writing and is a reknowned wine connoisseur

In simpletons terms, he is a master in the fundamentals of boxing, and has everything in place to take advantage of the huge size difference

Pavlik is a plodding, one dimensional slugger

Cheerio

Thanks for giving me a break and letting me skate on this, but you still haven't answered my question? Does PBF take down another no.1 Brit or not?

[196osh]

Now, let's change the subject. After he KO's Pav,how does Calzaghe do against PBF?. Another PBF KO? PBF is far quicker and more athletic than Joe. Right? Finally, Joe loses his "O" by knockout to PBF.
Man, I don't PBF likes the Brits:lol: .

Joe would knock Floyd Mayweather clean out KO1.

[TFFP]

Thanks for giving me a break and letting me skate on this, but you still haven't answered my question? Does PBF take down another no.1 Brit or not?
The only fighter he has a chance against in Joe's gym is Gareth Rees

So in short, no

[TheGrimReaper]

how about floyd vs. klitschko

[C Money]

It never fucking happens though I wish it would:good

Floyd gets brutally KO'd theres NO DOUBT and thats why it never happens.

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

This thred is stupid, FLOYD is intelligent enough to avoid Pavlik because he knows he would be seriously injured or hurt, Pavlik at 6-2 would tower over the 5-8 FM and every shot Pavlik landed would do some serious internal damage, forget about it..:-(

[sthomas]

I'm a big Pav. fan and would favor him but I would not count Floyd out. Conn almost pulled it out against Louis, and Louis > Pavlik and Floyd > Conn. Calz. would be a tougher task for Floyd than Pav. Calz. skills, speed and, in this case power, would be too much for Floyd.

[eltorrente]

Just watch the Duran vs Barkley fight. It's certainly possible, and I can't see Pavlik landing consequtive flush shots on PBF.

[drvooh]

And just exactly what weight would it be at??

[196osh]

And just exactly what weight would it be at??

I would assume they would want Pavlik at 147 so he would be emaciated and nearly dead.

[diamondDave]

If Mayweather didn't want anywhere near Antonio Margarito or Paul Williams there is little reason to think he will go anywhere near some with the size and power of Pavlik. This is one fight Mayweather CAN'T win! Pavlik would reign bombs down on Mayweather from the outside until he was crushed.

[drvooh]

I would assume they would want Pavlik at 147 so he would be emaciated and nearly dead. :yep

[Quik]

Well Roberto Duran gave a close fight to Marvin Hagler.

[JAM Killer]

I once made a thread about Taylor vs. Mayweather, when Taylor was champ. I was laughed at. But I think that Mayweather beats both of them, and stamps himself as the second greatest fighter of all time with that win.

[Dostoevsky]

Well Roberto Duran gave a close fight to Marvin Hagler.

Marvin was 5'9 and a natural Middleweight, he came into the fight weighing 160.
According to some Pavlik comes in at 180! A cruiserweight! :shock:

[eltorrente]

Marvin was 5'9 and a natural Middleweight, he came into the fight weighing 160.
According to some Pavlik comes in at 180! A cruiserweight! :shock:

O.k., how about Duran vs Barkley?

[JAM Killer]

Marvin was 5'9 and a natural Middleweight, he came into the fight weighing 160.
According to some Pavlik comes in at 180! A cruiserweight! :shock:

Yeah, it would be the first time in his career that Mayweather would not be the favorite to win. That is the mega fight that he is looking for. It would be one of the greatest sports feats in history. Because like you say, physically a 5'8 junior lightweight isn't suppose to be able to compete with a 6'3 power punching middleweight.

But who knows.

[psychopath]

This could be a hell of a fight the greatest boxer of this era vs the knock out artist of this era. If the fight ever happens it would be massive for boxing as both fighters are great at what they do and Pavlik has the fans to make for a great atmosphere. This would be a difficult fight to pick a winner from....no reach advatage for PBF so you figure he would have to use all his tricks and more to avoid the big punches that Pavlik would be raining down on him. Pavlik would have to be careful not to chase PBF too much and avoid looking foolish by missing a lot and growing tired from swinging at air, if he catches PBF with some could shots would it slow him down and become a pavlik fight of power and grit which we know that Pavlik has in abundance.

Or will this fight never happen due to politics size or time, I hope it does.

I'll tell you what . . . this fight would be the dullest fight in the modern day of boxing history if it ever happens.

There's no way PBF would survive Pav's punches or just even the jab. So PBF being a very smart ass . . . would fight ala Spinks style. :yep

[Mindspring]

Marvin was 5'9 and a natural Middleweight, he came into the fight weighing 160.
According to some Pavlik comes in at 180! A cruiserweight! :shock:

Not to mention the fact that Pav has 6.5" height and 4" reach advantage, and oh, yes, 2X the firepower.:yikes
Floyd needs to stay where is.

[JMotrain]

O.k., how about Duran vs Barkley?

Mayweather is no Duran. Duran fought all of the good fighters of the 80s, something that can't be said about Floyd now.

Barkley was decent, but he showed he could be outboxed, and Duran was a special fighter. He had the balls to brawl when it was necassary and box when it was necessary.

Floyd would have to get inside Pavliks reach to beat him, and I don't see it happening without Pavlik putting him to sleep with one right hand from the outside.

You guys are over inflating Floyd because of his win over Hatton, who doesn't have the punching power, strength, size, or reach of Kelly Pavlik.

It'd be a massacre, Pavlik KO2.

[pijo]

Yeah, it would be the first time in his career that Mayweather would not be the favorite to win. That is the mega fight that he is looking for. It would be one of the greatest sports feats in history. Because like you say, physically a 5'8 junior lightweight isn't suppose to be able to compete with a 6'3 power punching middleweight.

But who knows.
Wasn't Chico favourite to beat Floyd when they thought?

[JAM Killer]

Wasn't Chico favourite to beat Floyd when they thought?


No.

[Jason997]

Guys, this is way too much for the outstanding fighter Mayweather. He isn't as big a Ray Robinson or Ray Leonard. His fights at welterweight represent the same stretch for these guys (especially Leonard) at middleweight. A move up to 160 against the champion would be absurd. 154 and down he can handle... stay away from a bomber like Pavlik.

- Jason

[bigtime9]

Mayweather is no Duran. Duran fought all of the good fighters of the 80s, something that can't be said about Floyd now.


you got that right at least floyd can win his big fights and is not a quitter:deal

Barkley was decent, but he showed he could be outboxed, and Duran was a special fighter. He had the balls to brawl when it was necassary and box when it was necessary.


iran barkely was pedestrian and he still got robbed against duran

Floyd would have to get inside Pavliks reach to beat him, and I don't see it happening without Pavlik putting him to sleep with one right hand from the outside.


floyd doesn't need to fight a lightheavyweight to prove his greatness.

You guys are over inflating Floyd because of his win over Hatton, who doesn't have the punching power, strength, size, or reach of Kelly Pavlik.

It'd be a massacre, Pavlik KO2.

kelly pavlik is a pedestrian champion of course he has a chance against a fighter who started at 130:deal

[Ted Stickles]

Kelly is too slow and Floyd would do his best Carl lewis impersonation and win a UD..Because if they mixed it up even a little Floyd would get starched

[kay-boogie]

this post is silly! how about manny vs vlad klit.

[cardstars]

I'm pretty sure Pavlik could punch straight through Mayweathers gloves....and maybe decapitate him

[Asterion]

After Pavlik knockout Mayweather, he could fight David Haye.

130-160-190.

[JMotrain]

you got that right at least floyd can win his big fights and is not a quitter:deal



iran barkely was pedestrian and he still got robbed against duran



floyd doesn't need to fight a lightheavyweight to prove his greatness.



kelly pavlik is a pedestrian champion of course he has a chance against a fighter who started at 130:deal

Pull Floyd's dick out of your mouth and you might be able to think.

[Pro]

Brains over brawn would apply in something like.....accounting. This is boxing, and it's brawn over brains and skills. This is the whole reason we have different weight classes every few pounds. What did you think the purpose was in that? Little guys can beat bigger guys WITHIN REASON, but at a certain point the gap in size will equate to the little guy just being bitch-slapped the canvas. Note that every argument you and the other idiots favoring floyd have made could ALSO be applied if he fought a prime Riddick Bowe, George Foreman, Vitali Klitschko, etc. and are therefore fallacies. Your counter argument to that will be that those guys are much bigger than Pavlik, so it's not the same. The fallacy there is that you underestimate just how VERY significant Kelly's size advantage is over Floyd. Kelly is a huge middleweight, as big as they get. He could easily fight at 168 or even 175. Floyd is a small welter who could still make 140 no problem.

Floyd would be swatted like a little fly. Bitch slapped to the canvas. Endo story.


Yeah same shit they said about Roy fighting a heavyweight this is fighting and i can't believe that people are still on that lil kid shit (oh he's bigger and stronger that means he can kick my ass) just because i guy is bigger and stronger doesn't mean he's going to win so your going to sit there and say Kelly Pavlik has better boxing skills than Floyd Mayweather???

Never!!!

Kelly Pavlik is like a few inches taller than Floyd but also light years slower if Floyd walks into the ring at 155 he beats Kelly Pavlik at 160 no matter what Kelly weighs on fight night.

You can't say Floyd Mayweather could fight and beat a Riddick Bowe or George Foreman we're talking about welterweights and middleweights need i remind you when there was no 154 division it was just 147-160
Billy Conn beat the hell outta Joe Louis before he got stupid so please yo i don't wanna hear Floyd Mayweather has no chance at beating someone as simple as Kelly Pavlik

[BITCH ASS]

Yeah same shit they said about Roy fighting a heavyweight this is fighting and i can't believe that people are still on that lil kid shit (oh he's bigger and stronger that means he can kick my ass) just because i guy is bigger and stronger doesn't mean he's going to win so your going to sit there and say Kelly Pavlik has better boxing skills than Floyd Mayweather???

Never!!!

Kelly Pavlik is like a few inches taller than Floyd but also light years slower if Floyd walks into the ring at 155 he beats Kelly Pavlik at 160 no matter what Kelly weighs on fight night.

You can't say Floyd Mayweather could fight and beat a Riddick Bowe or George Foreman we're talking about welterweights and middleweights need i remind you when there was no 154 division it was just 147-160
Billy Conn beat the hell outta Joe Louis before he got stupid so please yo i don't wanna hear Floyd Mayweather has no chance at beating someone as simple as Kelly Pavlik

I agree.

I think you should make arrangements to slap him around yourself.

I know a guy that knows a guy that can make it happen.

PM me if you want the details.

[Pro]

I agree.

I think you should make arrangements to slap him around yourself.

I know a guy that knows a guy that can make it happen.

PM me if you want the details.

Don't get Kelly Pavlik done dirty bruh he's a trained fighter....me i love watching boxing and arguing my points but the guns a come out and i ain't really trying to do all that he gotta family i gotta family so what you tryna prove is the real question???

By the way he is a very simple fighter slow...plodding...left....right...has never fought anybody with any type of defense or movement and he gets hit alot so what makes him special because he hits hard???

Naw its because he's white right....tell the truth???

[elTerrible]

I dont neccissarily think that PBF would be getting KOed.

Spinks fought the much larger Taylor and ran all night and never got hurt.

It is reasonable to assume PBF could run from Pavlic. Its also reasonable to think he could even get a UD.

Duran lasted 12 with Hagler and he started way back at lightweight.

[BITCH ASS]

Don't get Kelly Pavlik done dirty bruh he's a trained fighter....me i love watching boxing and arguing my points but the guns a come out and i ain't really trying to do all that he gotta family i gotta family so what you tryna prove is the real question???

By the way he is a very simple fighter slow...plodding...left....right...has never fought anybody with any type of defense or movement and he gets hit alot so what makes him special because he hits hard???

Naw its because he's white right....tell the truth???

:lol:

I don't know. I can't answer that question. Why don't you tell me?

I see what people do in the ring. I don't care about race because to me we're all the same people.

The thing that drives people apart when it comes to race is fear. And if you don't fear your surroundings or your environment and realize that no one dictates your life in the end, but God, then you'll be okay regardless of what prejudices people have against you, white, black, or brown.

If someone does judge me and put me at fault for an attribute that I cannot control, then I accept my fate, deal with it, and remember the one I really serve and the true judge. You know, the one that watches over us.

Anyway, I was kidding about what I said about being able to set something up, but I think I've identified the source of your view and while I may be wrong, it appears it comes down to race.

Thing is, you gotta look past that kind of shit or the progression that everyone dreams of is never gonna happen.

Shit, to be honest, I don't think it ever will, but in my mind, there is serenity.

But back to Pavlik vs Mayweather.

It is true that Pavlik doesn't have the fastest hands, nor does he have the best footwork. In fact, if I wasn't so uncertain about Taylor's dedication to training, ring intelligence or lack thereof (mostly due to laziness when it comes to watching film), and being too much of a fighter than a boxer, I would have picked him to beat Pavlik the first time and the next.

Fact is though Taylor didn't move when he got pinned against the ropes, and moved too damn much in the beggining of the fight.

He didn't box when he should have. Who knows, maybe he'll change things up a little in the rematch and do things right.

If Taylor could put it all together, in my opinion, he could be one of the greatest middleweights of all time. He has the tools to beat Pavlik. He has fast hands, great athleticsm, lots of power, has a great jab when he uses, and I've seen him box beautifully.

Mayweather has all this shit too, but the thing is, I think he's just too small, and while Pavlik isn't the greatest fighter of all time, he's pretty good. He throws a lot of punches, punches hard, has a great jab, a lot of heart, and he's tall and rangy.

And honestly, all and all, he's gonna punch Floyd wherever he can, and Floyd is gonna have a hard time lettin his hands go to hit Pavlik. If Pavlik can handle Taylor's speed and reach, regardless of where Taylor is in comparison to Floyd's mental game, (obviously not in the same league), I just don't see Floyd being able to withstand the punishment.

Could it happen, of course, but like another poster said, it's highly improbable.

As far as the race thing is concerned though, that's something you need to decide for yourself. I can't help you with that. That's on you.

[Still~style]

i was about to rip you a new ass hole and fuck you through it but then i remembered you are a 16 year old british chav hatton fan.

thank you

[sthomas]

Good point CapFunds: "And honestly, all and all, he's gonna punch Floyd wherever he can, and Floyd is gonna have a hard time lettin his hands go to hit Pavlik. If Pavlik can handle Taylor's speed and reach, regardless of where Taylor is in comparison to Floyd's mental game, (obviously not in the same league), I just don't see Floyd being able to withstand the punishment. "

This is something I didn't think about till you mentined it.

[Pro]

:lol:

I don't know. I can't answer that question. Why don't you tell me?

I see what people do in the ring. I don't care about race because to me we're all the same people.

The thing that drives people apart when it comes to race is fear. And if you don't fear your surroundings or your environment and realize that no one dictates your life in the end, but God, then you'll be okay regardless of what prejudices people have against you, white, black, or brown.

If someone does judge me and put me at fault for an attribute that I cannot control, then I accept my fate, deal with it, and remember the one I really serve and the true judge. You know, the one that watches over us.

Anyway, I was kidding about what I said about being able to set something up, but I think I've identified the source of your view and while I may be wrong, it appears it comes down to race.

Thing is, you gotta look past that kind of shit or the progression that everyone dreams of is never gonna happen.

Shit, to be honest, I don't think it ever will, but in my mind, there is serenity.

But back to Pavlik vs Mayweather.

It is true that Pavlik doesn't have the fastest hands, nor does he have the best footwork. In fact, if I wasn't so uncertain about Taylor's dedication to training, ring intelligence or lack thereof (mostly due to laziness when it comes to watching film), and being too much of a fighter than a boxer, I would have picked him to beat Pavlik the first time and the next.

Fact is though Taylor didn't move when he got pinned against the ropes, and moved too damn much in the beggining of the fight.

He didn't box when he should have. Who knows, maybe he'll change things up a little in the rematch and do things right.

If Taylor could put it all together, in my opinion, he could be one of the greatest middleweights of all time. He has the tools to beat Pavlik. He has fast hands, great athleticsm, lots of power, has a great jab when he uses, and I've seen him box beautifully.

Mayweather has all this shit too, but the thing is, I think he's just too small, and while Pavlik isn't the greatest fighter of all time, he's pretty good. He throws a lot of punches, punches hard, has a great jab, a lot of heart, and he's tall and rangy.

And honestly, all and all, he's gonna punch Floyd wherever he can, and Floyd is gonna have a hard time lettin his hands go to hit Pavlik. If Pavlik can handle Taylor's speed and reach, regardless of where Taylor is in comparison to Floyd's mental game, (obviously not in the same league), I just don't see Floyd being able to withstand the punishment.

Could it happen, of course, but like another poster said, it's highly improbable.

As far as the race thing is concerned though, that's something you need to decide for yourself. I can't help you with that. That's on you.

I think you need to read the question again

I asked what made him special???

Was it the fact that he's an white fighter???

Cause i don't see shit great about him???

Yet Floyd Mayweather is the greatest fighter on the planet and all day long people criticize his choice of opponents his fighting style even his personal life...yet and still this guy has the best skill set i've ever seen in boxing.

But you did answer the question as far as what you thought made Kelly Pavlik as good as you think he is so i appreciate that but by no means does race have to do with anything I gotta few white cats that i can call just for the cause of scrapping somebody whether they be black white purple whatever so naw i ain't racist i just wanted a answer to the question.

[BITCH ASS]

I think you need to read the question again

I asked what made him special???

Was it the fact that he's an white fighter???

Cause i don't see shit great about him???

Yet Floyd Mayweather is the greatest fighter on the planet and all day long people criticize his choice of opponents his fighting style even his personal life...yet and still this guy has the best skill set i've ever seen in boxing.

But you did answer the question as far as what you thought made Kelly Pavlik as good as you think he is so i appreciate that but by no means does race have to do with anything I gotta few white cats that i can call just for the cause of scrapping somebody whether they be black white purple whatever so naw i ain't racist i just wanted a answer to the question.

I don't know man.........I don't have time for this.

Watch him.......what he does in the ring will define who he is..........on this forum.

Merry Christmas.

[bigbite]

the size difference is to much for Floyd to take that risk

[Pro]

I don't know man.........I don't have time for this.

Watch him.......what he does in the ring will define who he is..........on this forum.

Merry Christmas.

So far he's fought one dimensional fighters like himself...Jermain Taylor was a great win i take nothing away from him with that W but other than that he ain't done squat and the way the people in this forum amp him up is sickening...its almost Ricky Hatton like if Jermain Taylor keeps his hands up this go round he'll win...Floyd would outbox Kelly and make him look tall and stupid...

And a Happy New Year!

[hellblazer]

Pavlik by 6th round K.O

[booradley]

Micheal Buffer: "Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, boxing fans of all ages, let's get ready to RUUUUMMMBBLLE."

Steve Smoger: "Roger, tell your fighter to get back in the ring!"

Roger Mayweather: "Floyd! Floyd! get back here Floyd"

Floyd: "I-I-I c-c-c-c-can't right n-n-now. I'm injured; err, I - I'm gonna be."
:yep :yep :yep


Floyd's grandchildren would be born pissing blood if he tangled with Pavlik.:deal

Boo