Prime for prime: MAB versus Guzman

[Morrissey]

Just like to see how this match-up will unfold.

Take your pick.

[PH|LLA]

MAB and easy

Guzman hasn't earned this type of comparison

[Morrissey]

MAB and easy

Guzman hasn't earned this type of comparison

YOu can actually argue that Guzman can beat JMM..

[Fedor Em]

Barrera's worst enemy are fighters that have tremendous speed and can apply effective pressure, but most importantly they are great punchers as well. Guzman is everything but a great puncher, Barrera could box with Guzman, and brawl with him too.

Barrera close decision

[kartog]

To get the respect of Barrera you better carry a big stick. Guzman has two fly-swatters holstered in his hips. Although Guzman has the athletic and boxing ability to compete with Barrera it probably won't be enough to get him the win.

BTW, nice thread Morrissey!

[Morrissey]

To get the respect of Barrera you better carry a big stick. Guzman has two fly-swatters holstered in his hips. Although Guzman has the athletic and boxing ability to compete with Barrera it probably won't be enough to get him the win.

BTW, nice thread Morrissey!

:yep Thanks...

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[enzo]

MAB, MARQUEZ, MORALES, PAC beats GUZMAN!

[kg0208]

To get the respect of Barrera you better carry a big stick. Guzman has two fly-swatters holstered in his hips. Although Guzman has the athletic and boxing ability to compete with Barrera it probably won't be enough to get him the win.

BTW, nice thread Morrissey!
Junior Jones beat Barrera in his prime (Barrera's prime was at 122, not 126 or 130) and was not a big puncher, his power probably being less than Guzman's. Perhaps the other fighters who beat him happened to have big punches, but that is not the sole reason they beat him.

[Silvermags]

MAB, MARQUEZ, MORALES, PAC beats GUZMAN!

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[hellblazer]

Barrera UD. 115-113

[grabbaman]

At 122 MAB by KO 126&130 MAB by close UD..Was it him(Guzman) or was Soto too tough a nut to crack?? He hit him with some gret shots but Soto was never in danger of getting knocked down. Guzman needs to fight big names in the near future to make this thread worthwhile otherwise almost evryone here will pick MAB to win.

[grabbaman]

kg, the only persons who have beaten MAB were, Junior Jones2x, EM, PAC 2x and JMM. Among the 4 only PAC is a big puncher. EM and JMM are not that big a puncher. I think MAB's problems are with boxers who move as good or if not, better than him. Junior Jones was simply too big for him. First fight with PAC he got overwhelmed. When he faced PAC the 2nd time he was already faded. I think the prob with MAB, when faced with inferior opponents he stays in the pocket and trade but when facing elite fighers he tends to be less aggressive and box more.

[PATSYS]

Barrera's worst enemy are fighters that have tremendous speed and can apply effective pressure, but most importantly they are great punchers as well. Guzman is everything but a great puncher, Barrera could box with Guzman, and brawl with him too.

Barrera close decision

Agreed.

[kg0208]

kg, the only persons who have beaten MAB were, Junior Jones2x, EM, PAC 2x and JMM. Among the 4 only PAC is a big puncher. EM and JMM are not that big a puncher. I think MAB's problems are with boxers who move as good or if not, better than him. Junior Jones was simply too big for him. First fight with PAC he got overwhelmed. When he faced PAC the 2nd time he was already faded. I think the prob with MAB, when faced with inferior opponents he stays in the pocket and trade but when facing elite fighers he tends to be less aggressive and box more.

MAB's style at 126 and 130 are entirely different than his style at 122. Remember, by the time he fought Pacquiao, he had been in the ring for 13 yrs or so, with a straight forward war like style. When he fought Morales, they traded continuously. It wasn't until later on that he became a tactical fighter. And Morales was actually quite a big puncher, especially at 122, which is his prime weight AND MAB's prime weight.

[Morrissey]

kg, the only persons who have beaten MAB were, Junior Jones2x, EM, PAC 2x and JMM. Among the 4 only PAC is a big puncher. EM and JMM are not that big a puncher. I think MAB's problems are with boxers who move as good or if not, better than him. Junior Jones was simply too big for him. First fight with PAC he got overwhelmed. When he faced PAC the 2nd time he was already faded. I think the prob with MAB, when faced with inferior opponents he stays in the pocket and trade but when facing elite fighers he tends to be less aggressive and box more.

JMM and EM are all heavy punchers; they can certainly hurt and knock down people. They are not in the level of Pac, but they surely can not be considered as having below-average power in their hands.

Their punches were more than respectable enough that MAB did not trade with them more than he had done with them in their fights.

[huki]

Barrera is one of my all time favorites and Guzman is one of my current favorites, at 122 in their primes it's a pickem fight. It could go either way depending on how each of them decides to fight (especially Joan). H2H wise I think they're both ATG's at superbantam. I know people will say "who did Guzman beat at that weight?", but just watch his fights and you'll understand why he's the complete package at 122, just like Barrera was. On top of his ability, his power at that weight is extremely underrated.

Who wins? I don't know. One thing is for sure though, they both would own Pacquiao. :D

[Morrissey]

Barrera is one of my all time favorites and Guzman is one of my current favorites, at 122 in their primes it's a pickem fight. It could go either way depending on how each of them decides to fight (especially Joan). H2H wise I think they're both ATG's at superbantam. I know people will say "who did Guzman beat at that weight?", but just watch his fights and you'll understand why he's the complete package at 122, just like Barrera was. On top of his ability, his power at that weight is extremely underrated.

Who wins? I don't know. One thing is for sure though, they both would own Pacquiao. :D

I think Guzzy's power at 122 was rather great. Combined with his quickness and skills, he could have been an ATG there had he fought better opposition.

Pac owns MAB, that is for sure, prime for prime, any day of the year. Guzman might own Pac, though it would be interesting to see how.;)

[Morrissey]

Surprised at the low vote for Guzman.

I thought his good showing against Soto and Barrios, plus the hype that he is being avoided by both JMM and Pac, who handily beat MAB, would make this atleast an evenly match-up.

[psychopath]

Prime for prime . . . no doubt MAB beats Guzman. Guzman is not even comparable to HAMED "the clown". :yep

[dangerousity]

Barrios won some rounds against Guz with his crude style, MAB would double those amount of rounds. Soto is nowhere near as skilled as MAB, hes a solid fighter but not the elite MAB is. MAB has too great boxing ability for Guzman, whos shots are too wide and really would not faze MAB at all.

[ApatheticLeader]

Barrera's worst enemy are fighters that have tremendous speed and can apply effective pressure, but most importantly they are great punchers as well. Guzman is everything but a great puncher, Barrera could box with Guzman, and brawl with him too.

Barrera close decision

I agree with this - Guzman gives Barrera absolute HELL.

[huki]

I think Guzzy's power at 122 was rather great. Combined with his quickness and skills, he could have been an ATG there had he fought better opposition.

Pac owns MAB, that is for sure, prime for prime, any day of the year. Guzman might own Pac, though it would be interesting to see how.;)
Pac doesn't own a prime MAB, you can see this if you watch their rematch. A prime Barrera with great stamina/workrate, greater quickness/explosivenes/reflexes would pick Pac apart and control the fight without too much trouble.

Prime MAB/JMM/Morales/Guzman all beat Pac. The Guzman of today stlll owns Pac and the JMM of today should still be able to outclass Pac and counter him all night. He's too one dimensional to deal with these fighters when they're at their best. Guzman and JMM don't need to be at their best though, their styles are effective enough to beat Pac past their primes.

[jc]

Its a good match, but MAB has proven to be an ATg while Guzman has just proved to be a very good fighter. I would pick prime MAB to beat him.

[psychopath]

People who will argue on Guzman beating MAB is implying that Guzman also beats Morales or he is better than Morales . . . think about that.:D

[huki]

People who will argue on Guzman beating MAB is implying that Guzman also beats Morales or he is better than Morales . . . think about that.:D
Yes? Is it hard to imagine Guzman beating Morales? Guzman is an amazing fighter. He's A level and his style/skill troubles JMM/MAB/Morales greatly.

[dangerousity]

Pac doesn't own a prime MAB, you can see this if you watch their rematch. A prime Barrera with great stamina/workrate, greater quickness/explosivenes/reflexes would pick Pac apart and control the fight without too much trouble.

Prime MAB/JMM/Morales/Guzman all beat Pac. The Guzman of today stlll owns Pac and the JMM of today should still be able to outclass Pac and counter him all night. He's too one dimensional to deal with these fighters when they're at their best. Guzman and JMM don't need to be at their best though, their styles are effective enough to beat Pac past their primes.

All the 2nd fight showed was that MAB was afraid to try and win rounds and was content with surviving. If he did try to win some rounds he would get hurt. Pac beats any version of MAB. I pick a prime Morales to beat a prime Pac and prime Pac beats prime JMM & Guzman.

[psychopath]

Yes? Is it hard to imagine Guzman beating Morales? Guzman is an amazing fighter. He's A level and his style/skill troubles JMM/MAB/Morales greatly.

Yup for me it's hard to imagine Guzman beating Morales . . . prime for prime that is. Because if you can't hurt Morales and Mab these guys will walk over you. Both these fighters has power and can box.

Saying Guzman is A level is HYPING. He hasn't fought the quality of opposition that will prove that.

[huki]

All the 2nd fight showed was that MAB was afraid to try and win rounds and was content with surviving. If he did try to win some rounds he would get hurt. Pac beats any version of MAB. I pick a prime Morales to beat a prime Pac and prime Pac beats prime JMM & Guzman. Pac already lost to JMM if you scored it right, but maybe you don't consider that Pac prime. It's funny how you pick Morales to have the highest chance to beat Pac when he's H2H a little worse than Barrera and definitely JMM. JMM already beat Pac and probably will again. A past-prime Morales beat a prime Pac. Guzman will embarass Pac. Barrera would also beat him if you look at it. Pac is just too one dimensional for these fighters and his balance is terrible. They would all take advantage of his flaws and in their primes have the stamina/reflexes/quickness to beat him.

Yup for me it's hard to imagine Guzman beating Morales . . . prime for prime that is. Because if you can't hurt Morales and Mab these guys will walk over you. Both these fighters has power and can box.

Saying Guzman is A level is HYPING. He hasn't fought the quality of opposition that will prove that.
If you can't see Guzman is A level then you're blind.

[BigBone]

It's a hard question as their prime is/was in two different eras.

At SBW Guzman had brutal punching power combined with great skills and in his SBW days MAB wasn't on his best yet. I'd pick Joan there. MAB had the best moments at FW where he became a great boxer. Guzman wasn't doing much in FW so it's hard to talk about his abilities there but at 126 I'd pick MAB as he was unbeatable there until he met PacMan. At SFW MAB had 2 losses and wasn't THAT quick or strong as in the lower classes. Guzman isn't that strong at 130 but he hasn't loss his quickness and skill level so at 130 I'd pick him to beat the SFW MAB. Each fight would be a close decision. But it's almost impossible to pick the winner "prime for prime", there’s no objective pick on that.

[BigBone]

Of course in terms of punching power. He's a big fighter even at SFW but he just can't hurt his opponents with one punch anymore.

[Morrissey]

Pac doesn't own a prime MAB, you can see this if you watch their rematch. A prime Barrera with great stamina/workrate, greater quickness/explosivenes/reflexes would pick Pac apart and control the fight without too much trouble.

Prime MAB/JMM/Morales/Guzman all beat Pac. The Guzman of today stlll owns Pac and the JMM of today should still be able to outclass Pac and counter him all night. He's too one dimensional to deal with these fighters when they're at their best. Guzman and JMM don't need to be at their best though, their styles are effective enough to beat Pac past their primes.

Bottomline is, MAB can not take Pac's aggressiveness, speed and power. The second fight was a fraud. MAB was scared as hell. HE lost that fight even before the bell rang.

I have to see first the rematch with JMM before I say JMM owns Pac, because the last time I scored their first fight, it was a Pac win.

[Morrissey]

Punching power, no but in terms of physical strength..he is hard to push around.

Agreed. He can very well fight at 135 and still be effective. He is large for 130, that is why he can take a lot of punishment.

[Silvermags]

Not a lot of people will pick Guzman because they'll be like "Who has he beaten?" but resumes obviously don't win fights.

Wether resumes wins fight or not he does not have a chance with MAB period! In the first place if I'm a die hard MAB fan the question itself is a bit INSULTING!

[Morrissey]

Wether resumes wins fight or not he does not have a chance with MAB period! In the first place if I'm a die hard MAB fan the question itself is a bit INSULTING!

at 122, Guzman was also a beast.

[peter5]

Personally, I dont see Guzman beating the Barrera that beat McKinney or Morales the first time, or for that matter the Barrera that beat Naz. Prime for prime, I think Marco has them all, but thats just my humble opinion

[dodong]

The poll result should give the Guzman's fanboys the reality check that they need.