If Hatton Is A Blown Up Junior Welter, Mayweather Is A Blown Up Junior Lightweight!!

[southpaw1974]

Guys,

All this bullshit about how Hatton was a blown up Junior Welterweight and using that as an excuse for him losing to Mayweather is ridiculous. As people may or may not know, Mayweather started his career at 130 and has moved up to Junior Middleweight and back down to 147. He walks around at 150, and could still make 140 if he wanted to. Hatton walks around at 165lbs and started his career at 140. Hatton is naturally 10lbs heavier than Floyd. Do you really think that if this fight occured at 140, the result would have been different? So you are saying that if Hatton had to cut another 5 pounds of fat (he came in at 145) he would have fared better? That's absurd.

Hatton was outclassed, it's as simple as that. Mayweather was an average 140 pounder, and is a small welterweight. This was not an issue or size, it was an issue of skill. Let's say that Hatton had to make 140 for the fight, and weighed about 145-150 on fight night and Floyd had to make 140 for the fight and weighed 147-150 on fight night, would that really have mattered? The answer is no, so stop the bullshit.

[TFFP]

No shit Einstein

The only thing we learnt from both this and the Collazo fight is that Hatton is not suited to fighting at 147. His physical strength is one of his major attributes, and it's a non issue at the higher weight

[surreal deal]

[QUOTE=TFFP]No shit Einstein

:good

[southpaw1974]

No shit Einstein

The only thing we learnt from both this and the Collazo fight is that Hatton is not suited to fighting at 147. His physical strength is one of his major attributes, and it's a non issue at the higher weight

Einstein, my point was that that would be a good point if he was facing a natural welter in Floyd. Floyd himself is not a natural welter and has been called a light puncher above 135lbs. Do you get that, or are you a brick? The same thing would have happened had they fought at 140 when Floyd was fighting down there. Did you not learn how great Mayweather is, or are you not giving him any credit and being a hater?

[southpaw1974]

[quote=TFFP]No shit Einstein

:good

You're just as stupid as he is. Neither one of you get the point. Why do I waste my time?

[TFFP]

Einstein, my point was that that would be a good point if he was facing a natural welter in Floyd. Floyd himself is not a natural welter and has been called a light puncher above 135lbs. Do you get that, or are you a brick? The same thing would have happened had they fought at 140 when Floyd was fighting down there. Did you not learn how great Mayweather is, or are you not giving him any credit and being a hater? What are you rambling on about, you complete and utter spastic

I gave Mayweather full credit for the win. He would win at 135, 140 or 147

The thread was fucking pointless. Only a few cretins think the weight made any difference. If we are going to create threads based on what a tiny minority of idiots think, this place would be littered with shite. I was simply making the observation that Hatton does not have the style to scale the weights

Cheerio

[southpaw1974]

What are you rambling on about, you complete and utter spastic

I gave Mayweather full credit for the win. He would win at 135, 140 or 147

The thread was fucking pointless. Only a few cretins think the weight made any difference. If we are going to create threads based on what a tiny minority of idiots think, this place would be littered with shite. I was simply making the observation that Hatton does not have the style to scale the weights

Ok, agreed but initially when you made the comment about it proving that Hatton didn't belong at 147, it seemed to imply that size and not skill was the difference in the fight. Again, when Floyd was at 140, the same thing would have happened. If Hatton had fought a guy like Cintron, that would have been a good arguement.

[TFFP]

Ok, agreed but initially when you made the comment about it proving that Hatton didn't belong at 147, it seemed to imply that size and not skill was the difference in the fight. Again, when Floyd was at 140, the same thing would have happened. If Hatton had fought a guy like Cintron, that would have been a good arguement. Ricky Hatton should never be fighting above 140, ever. He had to against Mayweather, because it was an opportunity he couldn't afford to miss, and as you say Mayweather isn't a big guy. That said, he grows into the weight far better than Hatton, on fight night he looked bigger for my money

Hatton is a disaster waiting to happen at the higher weights. Even Billy Graham never wanted him to do it. It's just common sense, he's an inside fighter that likes to use his physical strength to bully his opponents. His boxing skills aren't great, and hence when he can't bully the bigger men he hasn't got a chance

[cougnuts510]

he had time to grow into a welterweight body. that makes a difference

[Polymath]

What are you rambling on about, you complete and utter spastic

I gave Mayweather full credit for the win. He would win at 135, 140 or 147

The thread was fucking pointless. Only a few cretins think the weight made any difference. If we are going to create threads based on what a tiny minority of idiots think, this place would be littered with shite. I was simply making the observation that Hatton does not have the style to scale the weights

Cheerio

Any UK members listen to Talksport? Every caller after the fight was saying 'Hatton lost becasue he was at the wrong weight' - and the presenters were agreeing. Notice, they didn't think it was a factor, but the actual reason that Mayweather won. Even a lot of the boxing 'experts' spewed the same line.

[TFFP]

Any UK members listen to Talksport? Every caller after the fight was saying 'Hatton lost becasue he was at the wrong weight' - and the presenters were agreeing. Notice, they didn't think it was a factor, but the actual reason that Mayweather won. Even a lot of the boxing 'experts' spewed the same line. Talksport is reknowned for its high proportion of complete dullards

The football call ins are cringeworthy. These people know nothing about boxing, nothing about sport as a whole, and nothing about life

They are just idiots that jumped on the Ricky Hatton bandwagon, and I would know, my dad was one of them

Definitely not representative of hardcore British fight fans

[southpaw1974]

Ricky Hatton should never be fighting above 140, ever. He had to against Mayweather, because it was an opportunity he couldn't afford to miss, and as you say Mayweather isn't a big guy. That said, he grows into the weight far better than Hatton, on fight night he looked bigger for my money

Hatton is a disaster waiting to happen at the higher weights. Even Billy Graham never wanted him to do it. It's just common sense, he's an inside fighter that likes to use his physical strength to bully his opponents. His boxing skills aren't great, and hence when he can't bully the bigger men he hasn't got a chance

Agreed, and remember that when he fought Tszyu who was stronger and hit harder, Tszyu wasn't able to do what Floyd did to him. Floyd is only about an inch taller than Tszyu (who walks around at about 160lbs and started his career at 140 as well). Hatton wasn't able to bully Mayweather like he did Tszyu. People will argue the ref made the difference, but again I'm willing to give Floyd's skill a lot more credit than they are. Mayweather really shut a lot of people up with his performance. You'll never shut everyone up, but he shut up plenty.

[Polymath]

Right - but its does imo represent a good cross-section of fans generally.

Even the boxing 'experts' (commentators, 'writers' etc) went on and on about Hatton being "at the wrong weight" - the implication is clear.

edit: sorry, that was @ TFFP

[TFFP]

I don't know about that

Remember the reaction straight after a fight is fuelled by emotion rather than boxing logic

I think most would say that Hatton is not at his peak @ 147, but it didn't cost him the fight. Certainly 2 of the pundits for Sky had Mayweather winning to begin with

[southpaw1974]

Again, if Hatton was facing a natural welterweight like Cintron, it would have held some water. Him not having to cut another 5 lbs and facing a guy the size of Floyd who himself is a natural 135-140 pounder makes it really hard to argue the weight factor.

[PH|LLA]

I knew and said that the weight would be an issue for Hatton before the fight. Hatton relies on his strength at 140 to wear down and overpower his opponents, at 147 he doesn't have that edge. Great win for Floyd, but alot of Welterweights could have beaten Hatton. Do you at least agree with that last statement?

[southpaw1974]

I knew and said that the weight would be an issue for Hatton before the fight. Hatton relies on his strength at 140 to wear down and overpower his opponents, at 147 he doesn't have that edge. Great win for Floyd, but alot of Welterweights could have beaten Hatton. Do you at least agree with that last statement?

Not many (if any) small welterweights who moved up from 130 could have beaten Hatton (and almost certainly wouldn't have knocked him out). Also, remember before the fight that the punching power and strengh edge was being given to Hatton, not Floyd. I find it ironic that the guy who was given the puncher's chance got knocked out and later labeled "too small for his naturally bigger/stronger opponent". This was an exceptional situation given that Hatton was facing a non-natural Welterweight in Floyd and not a natural 147lber like Cintron or Margarito.

[the_what]

Mayweather was at 130, 7 years ago ffs.

[TFFP]

Not many (if any) small welterweights who moved up from 130 could have beaten Hatton (and almost certainly wouldn't have knocked him out). Also, remember before the fight that the punching power and strengh edge was being given to Hatton, not Floyd. I find it ironic that the guy who was given the puncher's chance got knocked out and later labeled "too small for his naturally bigger/stronger opponent". This was an exceptional situation given that Hatton was facing a non-natural Welterweight in Floyd and not a natural 147lber like Cintron or Margarito.
There are two different things here

Mayweather - Just an exceptionally good boxer, weight isn't an issue. The fight being at welter is just a side note
Welterweights - Too big, Hatton doesn't have a chance

[maciek4]

Mayweather is 5'8 with a nice reach of 72 inches. He looked phenomenal in the DLH fight, broad shoulders, he could fight at 154 and be succesful. Hatton on the other hand is very small, he is 5'6 67 inch reach and would get eaten alive at 154.

[southpaw1974]

There are two different things here

Mayweather - Just an exceptionally good boxer, weight isn't an issue. The fight being at welter is just a side note
Welterweights - Too big, Hatton doesn't have a chance

Agreed, I would possibly give him a chance against Judah, however. That would actually be a very interesting fight.

[southpaw1974]

Mayweather was at 130, 7 years ago ffs.


Yes, but you understand what I was saying. He's a guy that is not a natural welter and fought at below 147 for 90% of his career.

[TFFP]

Agreed, I would possibly give him a chance against Judah, however. That would actually be a very interesting fight.
I'll change that to the elite circlejerk of welterweights that people are bigging up at the moment. Mayweather, Cotto, Margarito, Williams and maybe Cintron he stands little to no chance

I could definitely see Judah folding under the pressure. He's past his best, and if Hatton saw off the first 3 rounds he'd win

[maciek4]

Yes, but you understand what I was saying. He's a guy that is not a natural welter and fought at below 147 for 90% of his career.

He is also 5 foot 8 inches tall has 72 inch reach, broad shoulders and a frame that can handle 154 easily. Compare this to Hatton who is 5'6 67 inch reach and not muscular.

[southpaw1974]

He is also 5 foot 8 inches tall has 72 inch reach, broad shoulders and a frame that can handle 154 easily. Compare this to Hatton who is 5'6 67 inch reach and not muscular.

I've actually made reference to Mayweather's reach many times. His arm length is incredible (26 inches). He has the same arm length as Wladamir Klitschsko believe it or not!! However, again people are forgetting how many were giving the strength edge to Hatton and were making it a 50/50 fight based on Hatton's strength, pressure, and aggression.

[maciek4]

I've actually made reference to Mayweather's reach many times. His arm length is incredible (26 inches). He has the same arm length as Wladamir Klitschsko believe it or not!! However, again people are forgetting how many were giving the strength edge to Hatton and were making it a 50/50 fight based on Hatton's strength, pressure, and aggression.

:lol::lol::lol:

Now you are stretching it :lol:

[southpaw1974]

:lol::lol::lol:

Now you are stretching it :lol:

No, I'm serious. Watch the next Klitschko fight when they show the tale of the tape. They both have a 26 inch arm lenth (measured from the armpit to the end of the fist). Klitschko of course has a much longer reach when you factor in his chest and shoulder width. The arm length, though is actually more logical to measure and they have the same arm length.

[sambob]

His size doesn't matter one fucking bit. If he weighs 147 at the weigh in,, he's a welterweight. Night of the fight he looked to me exactly like he did when he fought at 140, somewhere around 150-155.

If you are fighting a bigger guy, you have to make stylistic adjustments to your fight plan. Mayweather has been doing it all his career fighting guys like Corrales who are much talller, naturally heavier like Carlos Baldomir, or guys who are both like Oscar de la Hoya.

Hatton can't do it because he only HAS one fight plan. He only fights one type of fight, and this time he fought a fighter who was talented enough to deal with it.

People keep saying Hatton won't go back to 147, well I bet he would to fight an Oscar de la Hoya or someone else who can make him millions and millions of pounds/dollars/euros.

And I bet before too much longer he'll HAVE to fight at 147 because he won't be able to make 140 anymore.

Furthermore, all during the build up for the fight Billy Graham kept saying "Ricky really CAN fight at welterweight. When he fought Collazo he didn't properly build up to 147. This time he will be a real welterweight"

Then after the fight he says "I'm not making excuses, but I've always said Ricky is a junior welterweight."

So which is the truth? Neither, they're both bullshit. Ricky can't hang with welterweights? Okay, fine. Well his last fight against a 140 lb fighter was a shot LIGHTWEIGHT, so how do we know he can still out muscle junior welterweights?

[Betty Swollocks]

all this weight stuff is a load of nonsense. How can a guy go from being a beast (as some of you make out) to being average 7lbs north of that?
Bollocks.


Just accept Hatton has looked worse for other reasons, not least because he's been fighting harder opponents.
Hatton was oveerated all along.
As long as Tszyu and Castillo show us nothing since fighting Hatton, it's fair to deduce they were both done...as suspected....especially in the case of Castillo. After that there's nothing special on his record.

[auggiewest]

some styles are able to move up in weight easier. hatton depends on bullying guys and cant do it at 147

[john b]

all this weight stuff is a load of nonsense. How can a guy go from being a beast (as some of you make out) to being average 7lbs north of that?
Bollocks.


Just accept Hatton has looked worse for other reasons, not least because he's been fighting harder opponents.
Hatton was oveerated all along.
As long as Tszyu and Castillo show us nothing since fighting Hatton, it's fair to deduce they were both done...as suspected....especially in the case of Castillo. After that there's nothing special on his record.

A bit like witters and mallinaggis then. Wait hatton been at 140 all his career and will probably finish at 140 also, so whoever said that it is bollocks.

[JERMZ BOXING]

two things....

first... hatton did look a little "smallish"....he fought the best way he could, even if mayweather was at his jr welt or lightweight size, i dont see the fight going any different... mayweather reminded me why he was p4p king..

second....mayweather is NOT a blown up "jr middleweight"...its all muscle...MAYORGA is blown up, cuz its some fat...im just enjoying this:rasta

[ron u.k.]

Guys,

All this bullshit about how Hatton was a blown up Junior Welterweight and using that as an excuse for him losing to Mayweather is ridiculous. As people may or may not know, Mayweather started his career at 130 and has moved up to Junior Middleweight and back down to 147. He walks around at 150, and could still make 140 if he wanted to. Hatton walks around at 165lbs and started his career at 140. Hatton is naturally 10lbs heavier than Floyd. Do you really think that if this fight occured at 140, the result would have been different? So you are saying that if Hatton had to cut another 5 pounds of fat (he came in at 145) he would have fared better? That's absurd.

Hatton was outclassed, it's as simple as that. Mayweather was an average 140 pounder, and is a small welterweight. This was not an issue or size, it was an issue of skill. Let's say that Hatton had to make 140 for the fight, and weighed about 145-150 on fight night and Floyd had to make 140 for the fight and weighed 147-150 on fight night, would that really have mattered? The answer is no, so stop the bullshit.hatton was outclassed period.however i think floyd is a bigger man than hatton and it did have a role to play.sure floyd was a super featherweight but he won that title at 21.won the lightweight title at 25.a lot of young men are still filling their frames out throughout their twenties,and the fact is at this moment in time at nearly 31 floyd is a fully fledged welterweight and hatton,no matter how much he falsley balloons up in weight between fights isn't.in the build up and during the fight floyd always looked the bigger man to me.