Bika's trainer says Calzaghe to clever for Kessler

[duran83]

I aint a huge fan of both but i agree with this guy Calzaghe has the edge and will win in 12.

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One of the world’s leading boxing agents says Joe Calzaghe will have too many skills for Mikkel Kessler when they likely meet this year to unify the world super-middleweight title.
Aussie Angelo Hyder, who has worked as a cut man for Mike Tyson and set up world title fights for the likes of Danny Green, Sakio Bika, Gairy St Clair and Shannan Taylor, says the Welshman has too much nous to surrender his crown against the Viking Warrior.
Hyder’s fighter Sakio Bika lost a brutal 12-rounder against Calzaghe (pictured) in Manchester and also spent close to a month sparring with Kessler in Denmark.
Few experts in the world are as qualified as him to predict an outcome on the super-middleweight version of De La Hoya-Mayweather.
``On paper you have to favour Kessler by the simple fact he is so big and strong,’’ Hyder said.
``But Calzaghe has proved time and time again that when he needs to step up a gear and turn things around he can do it. He’s been world champ for 10 years and seen off a lot of guys who were supposed to be better than him.
``Hardly anyone gave Calzaghe a chance against Lacy who was supposed to be too big and strong for Calzaghe like Kessler but Calzaghe gave him a boxing lesson and made him look like a fool.
Calzaghe has had everything go his way in Britain including referees like Mickey Vann who controlled the Sakio fight but I believe under any circumstances he can rise to the occasion against Kessler or any other super-middleweight.’’
Bika, who lost a 12-round brawl with Calzaghe but gave the great Welshman some anxious moments with his brutal style, spent four weeks in Copenhagen sparring Kessler before the great Dane’s title defence against Librado Andrade.
He sees the outcome differently.
``Sakio thinks that Kessler has the advantage over Calzaghe in every area - size, strength and boxing ability,’’ Hyder said. ``He feels Kessler will be too physical for Calzaghe to overcome.
``But plenty of other fighters have underestimated Calzaghe’s talent and come off second best.
``I also think Calzaghe’s promoter Frank ****** has the ability to turn back adversity every time.
``Everyone thought Calzaghe would lose to Lacy and everyone thought Kostya Tszyu would hammer Ricky Hatton. But both times Frank’s fighters – fighting behind wild home crowds – turned things around.’’

[van the man]

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One of the world’s leading boxing agents says Joe Calzaghe will have too many skills for Mikkel Kessler when they likely meet this year to unify the world super-middleweight title.
Aussie Angelo Hyder, who has worked as a cut man for Mike Tyson and set up world title fights for the likes of Danny Green, Sakio Bika, Gairy St Clair and Shannan Taylor, says the Welshman has too much nous to surrender his crown against the Viking Warrior.
Hyder’s fighter Sakio Bika lost a brutal 12-rounder against Calzaghe (pictured) in Manchester and also spent close to a month sparring with Kessler in Denmark.
Few experts in the world are as qualified as him to predict an outcome on the super-middleweight version of De La Hoya-Mayweather.
``On paper you have to favour Kessler by the simple fact he is so big and strong,’’ Hyder said.
``But Calzaghe has proved time and time again that when he needs to step up a gear and turn things around he can do it. He’s been world champ for 10 years and seen off a lot of guys who were supposed to be better than him.
``Hardly anyone gave Calzaghe a chance against Lacy who was supposed to be too big and strong for Calzaghe like Kessler but Calzaghe gave him a boxing lesson and made him look like a fool.
Calzaghe has had everything go his way in Britain including referees like Mickey Vann who controlled the Sakio fight but I believe under any circumstances he can rise to the occasion against Kessler or any other super-middleweight.’’
Bika, who lost a 12-round brawl with Calzaghe but gave the great Welshman some anxious moments with his brutal style, spent four weeks in Copenhagen sparring Kessler before the great Dane’s title defence against Librado Andrade.
He sees the outcome differently.
``Sakio thinks that Kessler has the advantage over Calzaghe in every area - size, strength and boxing ability,’’ Hyder said. ``He feels Kessler will be too physical for Calzaghe to overcome.
``But plenty of other fighters have underestimated Calzaghe’s talent and come off second best.
``I also think Calzaghe’s promoter Frank ****** has the ability to turn back adversity every time.
``Everyone thought Calzaghe would lose to Lacy and everyone thought Kostya Tszyu would hammer Ricky Hatton. But both times Frank’s fighters – fighting behind wild home crowds – turned things around.’’
and bika said the oposite....big deal:roll:

[duran83]

The only advantage for Kessler is that Calzaghe is killin himslef to make weight and in reality, should of moved up years ago, apparently he hardly eats anything for upto two weeks to the fight, now a man of 35 years of age should not be doing things like this, so who knows. but lets get this on. ****** has nothing to loose Calzaghe is old they are not many fights left for him so he should take this fight if he wins him and Joe can make some real big money against Hopkins/Wright or if he looses there is not much more he could of made anyway with him being near the end of his career, its a pity really Calzaghe should of been making these moves after he destroyed Sheika 7 years ago, but we all know what Frank ****** is like.

[DanePugilist]

The fight will decide the future...

[Amsterdam]

The fight will decide the future...

...ATG rating for JC.

[DanePugilist]

...ATG rating for JC.Aye, if he wins... Still deserves alot of recognition for all he has done, if he loses, even if the superfights his talents required didn't happen as much; we all know how far he could have taken it regardless of the outcome of this match.

[DanePugilist]

lol, what is with the edits?

[brooklyn1550]

That's funny...Bika said Kessler would beat him.

[Amsterdam]

Aye, if he wins... Still deserves alot of recognition for all he has done, if he loses, even if the superfights his talents required didn't happen as much; we all know how far he could have taken it regardless of the outcome of this match.

He'll win, don't worry, this one is easy to predict and I have no reserves or doubts that JC would not be victorious in a good, hard fought battle.

It's nothing against Kessler either, JC's just a stylistic nightmare for him... I expect Kessler to give a decent account for himself despite that.

[brooklyn1550]

Calzaghe UD

[DanePugilist]

He'll win, don't worry, this one is easy to predict and I have no reserves or doubts that JC would not be victorious in a good, hard fought battle.

It's nothing against Kessler either, JC's just a stylistic nightmare for him... I expect Kessler to give a decent account for himself despite that.Have you been talking to Blocky? :lol:. We dont know what would be a nightmare for Kessler yet. He has never been troubled by anyone.

Fact remains to be seem - what we do know is, that both are the best they have ever faced.

[Amsterdam]

Have you been talking to Blocky? :lol:. We dont know what would be a nightmare for Kessler yet. He has never been troubled by anyone.

Fact remains to be seem - what we do know is, that both are the best they have ever faced.

No, I don't talk to Blocky, I'll just send him a friendly bash here and there, but he doesn't bother responding to me anymore.

We do know however that Kessler doesn't like odd angles, speed and swarming tactics, all 3 make him become overly tentative and this gives Calzaghe more oppurtunities.

Kessler showed a good dimension at firing back at Andrade when being hit by a good angle'd shot from Andrade in the 11th instead of going into a shell, but Andrade's head was there to hit all night and he was as slow as a joke Margarito type.

[Faetter_BR]

"Everybody predicted Lacy to beat Calzaghe..." ... I don't know who he was talking to back then - But many predicted Calzaghe to win. Pretty even here as far as I remember - on knock-out.dk it was 13/3 in favour of Calzaghe.

[DanePugilist]

No, I don't talk to Blocky, I'll just send him a friendly bash here and there, but he doesn't bother responding to me anymore.

We do know however that Kessler doesn't like odd angles, speed and swarming tactics, all 3 make him become overly tentative and this gives Calzaghe more oppurtunities.

Kessler showed a good dimension at firing back at Andrade when being hit by a good angle'd shot from Andrade in the 11th instead of going into a shell, but Andrade's head was there to hit all night and he was as slow as a joke Margarito type.Well it just seems like he has gotten to you concerning this fight:lol::lol: it's not 3 weeks ago that you thought it would be a very close fight - almost impossible to predict.

It's okay, my friend - it's okay to build up the confidence in your fighter.:cool:

Kessler did show how he handles a pressure fighter, even if it was a wide open one. He showed he could alter his game. It has not been proven that Kessler has problems with swarming tactics nor speed - weird angles are always tough for any fighter. So is great footwork, ring generalship, smartness, precision power punches - all of which Kessler has in plenty.

Nonetheless - we do know that JC will break his hands very early on. Kessler has nothing to fear in terms of being KOed. But lets see - I cant wait to see this fight regardless of who wins. Probs to the winner.

[Amsterdam]

Well it just seems like he has gotten to you concerning this fight:lol::lol: it's not 3 weeks ago that you thought it would be a very close fight - almost impossible to predict.

It's okay, my friend - it's okay to build up the confidence in your fighter.:cool:


I was being nice, because I DO like Kessler and the Taylor and Pavlik fans were severely getting on my nerves, so I used Kessler as the example of one of the 3 "true elite's" from 160-175 crop of fighters, along with JC and bad Chad.

Taylor and Pavlik are joke products of hype, hopefully they cancel each other out.


Kessler did show how he handles a pressure fighter, even if it was a wide open one. He showed he could alter his game. It has not been proven that Kessler has problems with swarming tactics nor speed - weird angles are always tough for any fighter. So is great footwork, ring generalship, smartness, precision power punches - all of which Kessler has in plenty.


Beyer's pathetic attempts at swarming got him tenative on a few occassions, Mundine's speed fucked him over a bit before Mundine went tenative because Kessler would have cracked that china chin as he was coming on(if you hurt JC, he comes on harder) and then Andrade's odd angles did in fact have a minor effect.

He has yet to deal with JC's footspeed(in my opinion, his biggest weapon, because it's not RIVALED by anyone above 154), and has yet to deal with all 3 of those factors in an ELITE package.


Nonetheless - we do know that JC will break his hands very early on. Kessler has nothing to fear in terms of being KOed. But lets see - I cant wait to see this fight regardless of who wins. Probs to the winner.


He busted his hand in the 5th vs. Lacy, didn't seem to phase him from contuining the beautiful thrashing.:lol:

He even broke it more so in the 9th, but he then continued and floored a battered opponent in the 12th.

The point is that JC at his very best is one hell of a fucking warrior and breaking his hand won't ruin his onslaught.

[Amsterdam]

It's a clash of styles that makes this fight so easy to pick.

As soon as this fight is concrete, I'll write an article without the bullshit insults, gaming or anything - I'll write Keys to Victory for both fighters and i'll write a final conclusion on why this fight isn't going to be a barn burner.

If this fight is ever concrete

Are you ever going to post that photograph with ESB sharpied across your "abs"?:yep

[DanePugilist]

I was being nice, because I DO like Kessler and the Taylor and Pavlik fans were severely getting on my nerves, so I used Kessler as the example of one of the 3 "true elite's" from 160-175 crop of fighters, along with JC and bad Chad.

Taylor and Pavlik are joke products of hype, hopefully they cancel each other out.I hear you - I can fully relate to that and understand.



Beyer's pathetic attempts at swarming got him tenative on a few occassions, Mundine's speed fucked him over a bit before Mundine went tenative because Kessler would have cracked that china chin as he was coming on(if you hurt JC, he comes on harder) and then Andrade's odd angles did in fact have a minor effect.

He has yet to deal with JC's footspeed(in my opinion, his biggest weapon, because it's not RIVALED by anyone above 154), and has yet to deal with all 3 of those factors in an ELITE package.Well, the fight was 3 rounds vs Beyer. You can hardly blame Kessler for being tenative so early on. One-two and down he went. At this point Beyer is still underrated - especially because Kessler blew him in 3 rounds. Mundine speed only caused problems due to lack of form.

Still, Kessler was far superior, and closed the match easily. Mundine went hesitant because at that point he didn't have the goods to match Kessler or counter him.

Andrade came forward with no end, throwing slobby punches, of course sometimes they hit. So will JC, but they will not make Kessler blink for a second - however - he will be the receiving end of powerful punches that will land more often than Calzaghe is used to.

JC has been down before, and its not impossible he will again - he has shown he can take it and get back up - but he is in for a nightmarish bout. Kessler is younger, stronger, skilled, smart, tested. And it would take a JC that surpasses the one that beat Lacy(which I dont think he can dublicate), to beat Kessler. JC is in a decline - Kessler is peaking.

JC struggled with journeyman gatekeeper Bika - hell he has looked less than elite in a handful of fights. Kessler is always good.


He busted his hand in the 5th vs. Lacy, didn't seem to phase him from contuining the beautiful thrashing.:lol:

He even broke it more so in the 9th, but he then continued and floored a battered opponent in the 12th.

The point is that JC at his very best is one hell of a fucking warrior and breaking his hand won't ruin his onslaught.Lacy got rumbled - and had no answers - had no counters because he is green and limited. Yes at his best he is a warrior - but broken hands will not help him vs an elite such as Kessler. This is not a green Lacy. This is not an old Eubanks with an abcentminded mindset. This not a weakchinned Veit.

No - this is Calzaghes end of his reign...

[Amsterdam]

You ought to have just stayed without an avatar, picture and anything. Just a blank "Blocky" with rabid posting had more effect on the Danish population that you don't like and almost sent some of them packing.:lol:

[DanePugilist]

It's a clash of styles that makes this fight so easy to pick.

As soon as this fight is concrete, I'll write an article without the bullshit insults, gaming or anything - I'll write Keys to Victory for both fighters and i'll write a final conclusion on why this fight isn't going to be a barn burner.

If this fight is ever concrete:good - look forward to that - this sounds like it will be your best piece yet.

[Amsterdam]

I offered an article to ESB some months ago on the subject of "hype jobs and the public response", it included Khan, Margarito, Taylor and then the best cracked example in A-Farce Harrison.

They replied back to me and said that it couldn't be posted because it was too full of "malicious intent".:lol:

I need to work on not developing brutal hatred for certain aspects.

[duran83]

I offered an article to ESB some months ago on the subject of "hype jobs and the public response", it included Khan, Margarito, Taylor and then the best cracked example in A-Farce Harrison.

They replied back to me and said that it couldn't be posted because it was too full of "malicious intent".:lol:

I need to work on not developing brutal hatred for certain aspects.


I agree with Amir Kahn who is from the next city to me, and i feel he is way over rated and will be beaton soon, i fancy that man to be Jon Thaxton, but to be honest ****** wouldnt put him near Thaxton.

[Amsterdam]

I agree with Amir Kahn who is from the next city to me, and i feel he is way over rated and will be beaton soon, i fancy that man to be Jon Thaxton, but to be honest ****** wouldnt put him near Thaxton.

That little china chinned joke gets KTFO as soon as he's put in with a competent 2nd rate hitter.:good

[DanePugilist]

I offered an article to ESB some months ago on the subject of "hype jobs and the public response", it included Khan, Margarito, Taylor and then the best cracked example in A-Farce Harrison.

They replied back to me and said that it couldn't be posted because it was too full of "malicious intent".:lol:

I need to work on not developing brutal hatred for certain aspects.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[deram]

I offered an article to ESB some months ago on the subject of "hype jobs and the public response", it included Khan, Margarito, Taylor and then the best cracked example in A-Farce Harrison.

They replied back to me and said that it couldn't be posted because it was too full of "malicious intent".:lol:

I need to work on not developing brutal hatred for certain aspects.

Take out the critisicm of Taylor and they will happily print it. If you have balls you criticise an american fighter - but ESB just wont print it! Unless - it i because the American is fighting another american that is more liked...

As a rule of thumb it is riskless to critisice a fighter that is not based in the US. That is what Blocky has understood and is exploiting.

But I know there is not much you can do with that knowledge, because I am sure Taylor was an integral part of your article.
:yep :good

[China_hand_Joe]

That's funny...Bika said Kessler would beat him.Mogens Palle also had a gun pointed to Bika's head as he said it.

[duran83]

Mogens Palle also had a gun pointed to Bika's head as he said it.

Also take into account Bika is on Kessler's payroll, he might well think Kessler will beat Calzaghe but if he did think Calzaghe would beat Kessler he would never say so while being paid to spar Kessler.;)

[China_hand_Joe]

Also take into account Bika is on Kessler's payroll, he might well think Kessler will beat Calzaghe but if he did think Calzaghe would beat Kessler he would never say so while being paid to spar Kessler.;)That is the metaphoric gun I was talking about in my previous post.

Incidently, Palle did have a real gun pointed at his head too.

[Beatboxer]

"Everybody predicted Lacy to beat Calzaghe..." ... I don't know who he was talking to back then - But many predicted Calzaghe to win. Pretty even here as far as I remember - on knock-out.dk it was 13/3 in favour of Calzaghe.

was it fuck pretty even here

i can recall about 3 people saying calzaghe would win

[China_hand_Joe]

13/3 against sounds more likely he was 2/1 in Britain even.

[Decebal]

Bika's crew: "He's just your classical methodical European style of fighter." Not about Kessler...but about Bute...and we know how that went...

[deram]

75% of people voted for Calzaghe in the Lacy fight in Scandinavia. Only people sucked in by the US media machine actually thought Lacy would win.

[China_hand_Joe]

75% of people voted for Calzaghe in the Lacy fight in Scandinavia. Only people sucked in by the US media machine actually thought Lacy would win.They also considered Ottke the best SMW...

[China_hand_Joe]

Q: En top 3 i supermellemvægt uden dig selv?


MK: Nr. 1 er Jeff Lacy, selvom det ikke er afgjort endnu! 2. Joe Calzaghe…….3. Danny Green……

[deram]

Q: En top 3 i supermellemvægt uden dig selv?


MK: Nr. 1 er Jeff Lacy, selvom det ikke er afgjort endnu! 2. Joe Calzaghe…….3. Danny Green……


Yes, the funny thing is I said exactly the same thing (without knowing Kessler said it, or maybe I said it first..). However, I formed that oppinion on a couple of clips of Lacy and a lot of media and fan hype.

Once I got closer to the fight and actually saw a couple of full fights of Lacy - I did not doubt that Calzaghe would win... Neither did Kessler. Kessler said shortly before the fight that he thought Calzaghe would win.

[satyriion]

If bika was on kesslers pyroll he would propably say kessler needed a lot of sparring. That he, bika the great fighter, who almost equaled jc and gave him hell, made him look like a midocre fighter without class or significant skills, had the insights and could teach kessler the black art of beating the 35 year old, fragile hands, anorectic eating disorder, step up his game, ridden jc.


Maybe Bika was an honest guy speaking his mind, based on a very intimate physical contact with both boxers. But jc guysm, you retort to describe Bika as as dishonest lying moneywhore who is on palles payroll. Fuck off Bimboes, how can you be so dilusional. Maybe its an idiots defencemechanism, denying facts, insight and honest opinion. Do you really think you have a better insight than a guy that have spent so much time with both guys.
Bika aint exactly a weak pushover guy. If he says mikkel is way stronger than jc and he is honest, wheres does that leave you jc huggers ? One step away from a devastating revelation....the days of jc is over. Kessler is his hangman.

All the bullshit about styles and speed ect. is a waste this time. I am convinced that we will witness a brutal dethroning of the king. I mean brutal a final. Kesller is not power witout brain or skills like lacy. Lacy was a bodybuilder dwarf compared to jc. Kessler is way above lacy and lacy knew that, but he thought that jc was over the hill. WHEN jc and mk meet it will be 18 months later and a jc with more wear and tear. Bika and (Man)fredo were hard on an old body like jc's. By the way I predicted jc to beat lacy back then. Lacy did not throw back like (MAN)fredo. Bika did and he did hurt JC.

My guess is that jc will be hunted down all the time. Kessler will trade if he has to. If they do trade kessler will win. Kessler will surprise you all on the inside jc too.
I do have lots of respect and sincere symphaty for jc. I think he has wasted his talents over the years, but i recognize him as one of the greats. If kessler beats him, then kessler will be the smw ATG. No debate or discussion and vice versa. Thing is that all jc's smarts and stuff will be wasted on kessler. He will go straigt for him and punish jc for the first time.

[satyriion]

They also considered Ottke the best SMW...


Joe Calzaghe is the one to blame if Svenni is considered smw ATG so far, even if it is in germany.

jc could have made a match with ottke if he wanted it enough. Hey there is a guy with the two most prestigious belts called the unified champ, because of the two belts.

I think it would have been a pretty big fight back then. Lots of money and recognition..

What fucks me up is all the jc fanboys denigrating svenni, when their idol could have answered the question.

Today jc calls it megafight because 3 belts and two undefeated champks meet. Wheres is the difference between mk and ottke. Its the same belts.

If you give a shit about your fucking legacy you have to beat the other big boys. Right. Actually you should lust for the opportunity the way mikkel has challenged everybody, only to be ignored and overlooked.

This a big difference between mikkel and the rest...ottke,beyer,jc he calls the guys out, while some choose to fight big american names like fredo and such. I

[duran83]

75% of people voted for Calzaghe in the Lacy fight in Scandinavia. Only people sucked in by the US media machine actually thought Lacy would win.

I find that hard to beleieve, as Lacy was an odds on with all uk Bookmakers, these odds come about from intrest from the public meaning people talking with there wallet actully were backing Lacy.

[satyriion]

I find that hard to beleieve, as Lacy was an odds on with all uk Bookmakers, these odds come about from intrest from the public meaning people talking with there wallet actully were backing Lacy.

but they knew shit about boxing

[deram]

I find that hard to beleieve, as Lacy was an odds on with all uk Bookmakers, these odds come about from intrest from the public meaning people talking with there wallet actully were backing Lacy.

With 280 million americans.

[langshof]

Aye, if he wins... Still deserves alot of recognition for all he has done, if he loses, even if the superfights his talents required didn't happen as much; we all know how far he could have taken it regardless of the outcome of this match.

No, we don't! when jc faces kessler and looses, his so called legacy goes right down the nearest drain.....he'll be soon forgotten by anyone other than people from cardiff!

[PrideOfWales]

Bika picks Kessler
Bika's trainer picks Calzaghes

1-1

Big Deal.

Oh, and the fight is not a done deal!

[achillesthegreat]

Calzaghe is the more dynamic fighter. I think the winner is the guy who can box thus fighting his fight. If one of them beats the other by forcing the fight I will be very impressed.

[deram]

No, we don't! when jc faces kessler and looses, his so called legacy goes right down the nearest drain.....he'll be soon forgotten by anyone other than people from cardiff!

LOL, I see it completely differently though. Imo. Joe needs - simply needs this fight and will benefit even if he looses. A couple of years after he stop he will not have a legacy that is much better than Ottke if he don't. After all for the majority of his carreer his best opponents were people that Ottke already beat. Ottke had by far the better and tougher opposition. So there is a clear deficit for Joe. However, as we know Ottke got 2-3 clear gift decisions and an additional couple of close fights that could have gone either way. Joe has only a couple of close fights and no real robberies. So there is a plus for Joe.

However overall, the badish opposition and the stay-at-home will mark his legacy. I will have far far more respect for Joe if he takes on Kessler and looses than if he just retires with his current "legacy". Ottke acutally did something similar when he took on undefeated Mads Larsen. That was a couragious move by Ottke that he could have gotten a lot out of. However two things made it a downside for Ottke - first of all he didn't need to take tough fights as much because he had already taken on pretty good opposition and secondly he most probably lost the fight and was given a robbery. So eventhough Ottke "won" the fight added to his bad legacy. He would have been better off losing in a close'ish fight. Now the bad side of his legacy just got reinforced. If the Calzaghe-Kessler fight doesn't happen it will (no matter why) reinforce Calzaghe's legacy as a champ that didn't really meet anyone dangerous for most of his carreer - except for a bulldog in Lacy that turned up to never again do anything noteworthy.

I definitely think a loss will do more for Calzaghe's carreer than not making the fight. A win will do even more of course.

[PrideOfWales]

No, we don't! when jc faces kessler and looses, his so called legacy goes right down the nearest drain.....he'll be soon forgotten by anyone other than people from cardiff!

I won't forget, and I'm certainly not from Cardiff.

[Fab2333]

Kessler UD. Calzaghe has to earn my respect, if he beats Kessler, he gets some from me. Right now he is unproven in my eyes

[langshof]

@DERAM
You may be right... - in time.....
Right about now the jc - kess fight means absolutely nothing. - win or loose
- except for hardcore boxing fans. We've been screaming for this fight to happen for a long time now. The average fan doesn't care. It will do nothin for jc's legacy unless Kessler goes on to be an all time great. The way it is now jc has never met any great fighters. None! So I just don't see him as an atg. He is a little overrated and I think he will be exposed when he fights kessler.

[Fab2333]

Fucking retarded

"Calzaghe has to earn my respect, but Kessler who has done fuck all in almost as many fights gets it"

Read again ass wipe, i never said Kessler had my respect either. Kessler doesnt get all the praise and accolades that Calzaghe gets, so thats why I didnt say anything about him. So read be4 you speak ok kiddo:deal. :hi:

[deram]

@DERAM
You may be right... - in time.....
Right about now the jc - kess fight means absolutely nothing. - win or loose
- except for hardcore boxing fans. We've been screaming for this fight to happen for a long time now. The average fan doesn't care. It will do nothin for jc's legacy unless Kessler goes on to be an all time great. The way it is now jc has never met any great fighters. None! So I just don't see him as an atg. He is a little overrated and I think he will be exposed when he fights kessler.

Well, the average fan cares. As much as the average fan cares about any fight out there. Which is not always a lot until the wheels start rolling and the hype is turned on.

They just take whatever is on and hyped enough. But fighters know that while Butterbean may sell tickets to these average fans, he will not get a legacy - that he can look back on when he is old and grey..

Joe is certainly no ATG atm. He is HOF imo. though, but to make ATG he would need to fight Kessler, Hops and win at least one of those. Then he would be close but probably still not get in. Probably Kessler, Hopkins and Taylor winning at least 2 of those.