View Full Version : Bert Sugars Top 10 HW's
JETSKI
12-26-2007, 07:56 PM
Nice videos & narratives about each man on his list...
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Louis would have put Ali down for the count. That man was solid. He threw BOMBS. Ali threw a bunch of bee sting's.
barneyrub
12-26-2007, 08:54 PM
Sugar has Lewis at 12, frankly i dont see several from this list meriting being above him, not once you take the good old days glasess off!
Sweet Pea
12-26-2007, 08:59 PM
Awful list. Not only does he have the "old timer" glasses on, but he has the wrong choices in that regard as well. Charles and Tunney as top 10 HW's? Come on, top 5 LHW's sure, but HW's? Nah, no way.
And I'm too tired to go into it again, but Ali rates above Louis.
brownpimp88
12-26-2007, 09:05 PM
ali beat 3 guys that are better than anyone joe louis beat.
Sweet Pea
12-26-2007, 09:09 PM
I like the bit where Atlas and Tessitore give their top 5's, the best of the vids I'd say.
Fighting Weight
12-26-2007, 09:25 PM
I have it on very good authority that Bert Sugar is a total cunt, so his opinion is something I will dismiss out of hand.
Executioner
12-26-2007, 09:39 PM
I dont pay much attention to Bert Sugar, he gives too much credit to old timers being an old geezer himself.
is that cigar EVER lit?
Dostoevsky
12-26-2007, 09:45 PM
WTF does he mean when he says Ron Lyle- vs George Foreman nobody remembers it!
Everyone remembers it! :lol:
Dostoevsky
12-26-2007, 09:55 PM
And whats with Sugar dissing Cossell like that?
JETSKI
12-26-2007, 10:08 PM
And whats with Sugar dissing Cossell like that?
He's just one of those guys who thinks his shit doesn't stink, but his fart always gives him away.
Executioner
12-26-2007, 10:09 PM
Louis would have put Ali down for the count. That man was solid
I can tell you like the big punchers..
Punisher33
12-26-2007, 10:10 PM
Sugar is a cunt, but the man is probably one of the greatest boxing historians of all time. He knows almost everything one can know about boxing without actually stepping in the ring himself.
Sweet Pea
12-26-2007, 10:14 PM
Sugar is a cunt, but the man is probably one of the greatest boxing historians of all time. He knows almost everything one can know about boxing without actually stepping in the ring himself.He has the knowledge above all, but that doesn't mean he has the best opinions.
JETSKI
12-26-2007, 10:21 PM
I can tell you like the big punchers..
I guess your right. I like a skilled boxer that can hurt people. And once he's got you hurt, he finishes. Sound like someone we know? With the initials KP, maybe?
Joe Louis usually did it with one shot, through.
Punisher33
12-26-2007, 10:22 PM
He has the knowledge above all, but that doesn't mean he has the best opinions. I dont like him much either, but the man has far greater knowledge than anyone on ESB. He has a wide collection of boxing videos at his disposal, his job is to give his well educated opinion on certain upcoming fights and fantasy match ups, he is well respected as a great boxing historian.
I have it on very good authority that Bert Sugar is a total cunt, so his opinion is something I will dismiss out of hand.
He's one of those guys whose so stuck in the past that anything great in his face in these times will only be downplayed by some guy who even boxing fans haven't even heard of in the 50's i use to respect him but now he's annoying.
It's the end of 2007 Bert get a new gig dun!
ali beat 3 guys that are better than anyone joe louis beat.
who? pray tell...:think
brooklyn1550
12-27-2007, 01:20 AM
I am not a fan of Bert Sugar. He's too biased towards the fighters from his youth. He doesn't give enough credit to the modern fighters. It's absurd how he ranks Tunney and Charles so high.
brooklyn1550
12-27-2007, 01:20 AM
who?
George Foreman
Sonny Liston
Joe Frazier
chimba
12-27-2007, 01:21 AM
We did a poll here a while back..Bert Sugar vs. Larry Merchant.
People picked Sugar..I was left scratching my head because his memory skipped three decades 80s, 90s and 00's
JAM Killer
12-27-2007, 01:21 AM
Fuck Bert Sugar. I really dislike him. If I became a critic of other men for my entire life I would kill myself. This is not my job, I just do it to unwind.
Symphenyceo
12-27-2007, 01:51 AM
He's one of those guys whose so stuck in the past that anything great in his face in these times will only be downplayed by some guy who even boxing fans haven't even heard of in the 50's i use to respect him but now he's annoying.
It's the end of 2007 Bert get a new gig dun!
:good
Sugar is a cunt, but the man is probably one of the greatest boxing historians of all time. He knows almost everything one can know about boxing without actually stepping in the ring himself.
He's more of a great story teller and clown that remembers an insane number of facts/stories about old-time boxing for ESPN than anything else. I hate seeing him interviewed anywhere and it pisses me off when he criticizes the sport nowadays every chance he gets. Barely putting Roy Jones in the top 100 ATG list is moronic no matter who you are.
Toopretty
12-27-2007, 02:20 AM
George Foreman
Sonny Liston
Joe Frazier
You just shut him right up...lol NOBODY matches Alis resume. I think these people dont know who Liston was when Ali beat him. Or even big George. They were nightmarish fighters. Like going against Mike Tyson or something.
Carlos Primera
12-27-2007, 03:00 AM
You just shut him right up...lol NOBODY matches Alis resume. I think these people dont know who Liston was when Ali beat him. Or even big George. They were nightmarish fighters. Like going against Mike Tyson or something.
a lot of solid guys like shavers, quarry, foster, norton etc.... as well. ali has one of the deepest resumes.
brooklyn1550
12-27-2007, 03:00 AM
You just shut him right up...lol NOBODY matches Alis resume. I think these people dont know who Liston was when Ali beat him. Or even big George. They were nightmarish fighters. Like going against Mike Tyson or something.
Yeah, Ali's resume is amazing. The best in heavyweight history. And the guys I listed were nightmares like you said - all 3 carried devestating power, and Ali took their shots, and won more than he lost. He was one of a kind.
That's a fucking dreadful list
Lewis not even top 10
SIGH
samita
12-27-2007, 03:19 AM
ali's resume is just amazing, i don't understand how he can be rated below louis:
liston x2
frazier x2
patterson x2
norton x2
quarry x2
foreman
shavers
lyle
terrell
williams
Sweet Pea
12-27-2007, 03:20 AM
Ali was arguably the best one weight class fighter of all time. He faced and beat all the top fighters of his time, which is more than pretty much anyone else can say.
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