calisthenics

[mrh1275a75]

is it best to do calisthenics after your boxing workout or at seperate times?..
i'm concerned i maybe over training if i do weights (ex weighted dips,bench) then the following day sets of push ups as part of boxing training..

[youngmonzon]

is it best to do calisthenics after your boxing workout or at seperate times?..
i'm concerned i maybe over training if i do weights (ex weighted dips,bench) then the following day sets of push ups as part of boxing training..

Skip the weights all together. Do intense calisthenics at the end of your boxing work out. Pushups, situps, and pullups.

[boxingtactics07]

Skip the weights all together. Do intense calisthenics at the end of your boxing work out. Pushups, situps, and pullups.

:good I agree.

[Nwil]

yeah, do them after. and they are more valuable than weight lifting.

[El Puma]

half hour of cardio in the am. half hour of lifting in the pm=major fat loss and fitness gains.

[Dumi]

You could always just incorporate pushups into your lifting schedule. Otherwise you can use them in between your lifting days as active recovery too.

[youngmonzon]

is it best to do calisthenics after your boxing workout or at seperate times?..
i'm concerned i maybe over training if i do weights (ex weighted dips,bench) then the following day sets of push ups as part of boxing training..

In addition to calisthenics, make sure you do lots of running. Distance, intervals, hills, etc. Fighters that do not run, should get ready to gas and get KO'd. Running much more important than weights.

[Relentless]

In addition to calisthenics, make sure you do lots of running. Distance, intervals, hills, etc. Fighters that do not run, should get ready to gas and get KO'd. Running much more important than weights.

alot of fighter dont run and hate running, how do they last the 12?

there is more than one way to skin a cat.

[youngmonzon]

alot of fighter dont run and hate running, how do they last the 12?

there is more than one way to skin a cat.

I am a former pro. If there are pros that do not run, I have not met them. However, there could be exceptions. That said, in my 30 years in this sport, all fighters that are lazy about running, end up losing. A great quote from Ernie Terrell - "90% of boxing is conditioning and 90% of conditioning is running". You do know who Ernie Terrell is?

I am not sure what your real experience (i.e., actual fights) with boxing is, but if you are not running (a lot) I would bet you lose a lot.

Forget what you read in books, why do you think all successful boxing trainers in the real world have their fighters run extensively?

[viru§™]

I am a former pro. If there are pros that do not run, I have not met them. However, there could be exceptions. That said, in my 30 years in this sport, all fighters that are lazy about running, end up losing. A great quote from Ernie Terrell - "90% of boxing is conditioning and 90% of conditioning is running". You do know who Ernie Terrell is?

I am not sure what your real experience (i.e., actual fights) with boxing is, but if you are not running (a lot) I would bet you lose a lot.

Forget what you read in books, why do you think all successful boxing trainers in the real world have their fighters run extensively?
Running helps improve an energy system, you don't necessarily have to run to do this.

[youngmonzon]

Running helps improve an energy system, you don't necessarily have to run to do this.

I understand the science. It is the intangible benefits that running provides that also makes it so important for a fighter. Distance running is hard - that builds mental strength as well as aerobic fitness. Hill work and intervals help fighters with explosiveness. Fighters that have developed energy reserves in this manner have more confidence in the ring and are willing to fight aggressively without fear of gassing. As I wrote, there is a reason why succesful trainers have their fighters run a lot. It works!

[viru§™]

I understand the science. It is the intangible benefits that running provides that also makes it so important for a fighter. Distance running is hard - that builds mental strength as well as aerobic fitness. Hill work and intervals help fighters with explosiveness. Fighters that have developed energy reserves in this manner have more confidence in the ring and are willing to fight aggressively without fear of gassing. As I wrote, there is a reason why succesful trainers have their fighters run a lot. It works!

I get what you're saying, but why do you think only running has these benefits? Why wouldn't rowing, cycling, swimming etc have the same effects?

[youngmonzon]

I get what you're saying, but why do you think only running has these benefits? Why wouldn't rowing, cycling, swimming etc have the same effects?

They could have the same fitness effects, but running has more practical application for boxing. Leg conditioning is crucial. While cycling could work, it takes much longer to get the same benefit as running. Even Lance Armstrong recently stated that he has switched to running, after retiring, due to the efficiency of the activity. Plus I am not sure cycling can match hill running or interval sprints.

[Relentless]

I am a former pro. If there are pros that do not run, I have not met them. However, there could be exceptions. That said, in my 30 years in this sport, all fighters that are lazy about running, end up losing. A great quote from Ernie Terrell - "90% of boxing is conditioning and 90% of conditioning is running". You do know who Ernie Terrell is?

I am not sure what your real experience (i.e., actual fights) with boxing is, but if you are not running (a lot) I would bet you lose a lot.

Forget what you read in books, why do you think all successful boxing trainers in the real world have their fighters run extensively?

:lol: funny how you had to start off with "i am a former pro boxer", like who cares?:rofl :nut

anyways running is good but its not the only way of doing things, a few pro boxers i know here who dont run, they prefer swimming or biking, or some just stick to traditional bag work, jump rope and floor work and they say that is enough, many of them have bad knees from running.

by the way whats your pro record, i hope you haven't lost a fight or you're going to sound like an idiot.

[youngmonzon]

:lol: funny how you had to start off with "i am a former pro boxer", like who cares?:rofl :nut

anyways running is good but its not the only way of doing things, a few pro boxers i know here who dont run, they prefer swimming or biking, or some just stick to traditional bag work, jump rope and floor work and they say that is enough, many of them have bad knees from running.

by the way whats your pro record, i hope you haven't lost a fight or you're going to sound like an idiot.

The reason I started of with that is to help you understand that you should learn from real experience. Lots of armchair fitness experts and boxing experts out there.

Once again, there is a reason why all successful trainers have their fighters do roadwork. Ignore that at your own peril. That is, if you plan to actually step in the ring! :)

[Relentless]

The reason I started of with that is to help you understand that you should learn from real experience. Lots of armchair fitness experts and boxing experts out there.

Once again, there is a reason why all successful trainers have their fighters do roadwork. Ignore that at your own peril. That is, if you plan to actually step in the ring! :)

actually i dont plan to step in the ring as a pro, but what is your name and your record?

i too could say i am a pro boxer.....

"i'm a pro boxer..." :rofl :rofl :patsch

[Dumi]

God I'm so sick of the silly "the pros do it!!" argument people always use. Think about it for a second. Professional athletes more often than not have great genetics and many could easily still be great DESPITE their shitty or outdated practices.

[cheech]

God I'm so sick of the silly "the pros do it!!" argument people always use. Think about it for a second. Professional athletes more often than not have great genetics and many could easily still be great DESPITE their shitty or outdated practices.

Professional athletes have access to the best trainers in the world.

[Nwil]

alot of fighter dont run and hate running, how do they last the 12?

I have never heard of any good professional who doesn't run.

running is essential. swimming, biking, whatever else, will not have the same benefits. bag work and jumping rope are also necessary - in different ways - so it's stupid to say 'that's all you need'. I do not see how you can ignore running.

[Relentless]

I have never heard of any good professional who doesn't run.

running is essential. swimming, biking, whatever else, will not have the same benefits. bag work and jumping rope are also necessary - in different ways - so it's stupid to say 'that's all you need'. I do not see how you can ignore running.

me personally i enjoy running, but there are boxers who dont run, evander holyfield never runs, the only time he ran was when he was being trained by manny steward, and even then manny had to run with him to make sure he runs,

like virus said, running trains a energy system, it can be done other ways.

[stuey]

i gotta agree with young monzon , you gotta run as a fighter. running is hard, builds disclipline. all of my boxers run, i would not switch running for anything.

[Nwil]

like virus said, running trains a energy system, it can be done other ways.

yeah, but that's not all it does. You get the leg strength and endurance you need in the ring. Also, you're moving on your feet, which is obviously what you're doing in boxing. You're strengthening your ankles and the bones in your legs. Something like swimming won't have all these effects...neither will biking. It's the best form of conditioning, aside from sparring .

evander holyfield is a pretty-boy bodybuilder who happened to have enough talent to succeed, and he is one rare example of a fighter that doesn't run

[Relentless]

yeah, but that's not all it does. You get the leg strength and endurance you need in the ring. Also, you're moving on your feet, which is obviously what you're doing in boxing. You're strengthening your ankles and the bones in your legs. Something like swimming won't have all these effects...neither will biking. It's the best form of conditioning, aside from sparring .

evander holyfield is a pretty-boy bodybuilder who happened to have enough talent to succeed, and he is one rare example of a fighter that doesn't run

that is a very stupid statement, evander was one of the most hardest working heavyweights of all time, manny steward says he never saw anyone work as hard as evander did, he would bust his ass day in day out, even to this day he is one of the best conditioned heavyweights,

it wasn't his fault he had such a phyisique, i guess you think mike tyson is also a pretty boy bodybuilder huh?

[Nwil]

I didn't say holyfield was lazy, I said he was a pretty boy bodybuilder, which he is. And he's stupid not to run.

and tyson is a warrior.

[Relentless]

I didn't say holyfield was lazy, I said he was a pretty boy bodybuilder, which he is. And he's stupid not to run.

and tyson is a warrior.

what do you mean by pretty boy body builder?

[Nwil]

some people are just more focused on aesthetics than others; you can sense it in their attitude.

[Rain]

this depends on what you want to gain from your exercises, if your doing them for muscle endurance then doin them straight after boxing training is fine, if your looking for speed, strength or explosive gains doing the exercises straight after the boxing will not offer any substantial gains in these departments and should be done when the body is rested.

[Relentless]

some people are just more focused on aesthetics than others; you can sense it in their attitude.

holyfield is more of a warrior than tyson ever will be, holyfield fights his heart out, what makes you think he is more focused on aesthetics?

[viru§™]

holyfield is more of a warrior than tyson ever will be, holyfield fights his heart out, what makes you think he is more focused on aesthetics?

Because he uses weights :?

[Relentless]

Because he uses weights :?

so did tyson?

but he is a warrior, even if he does want to eat peoples children.

[viru§™]

so did tyson?

but he is a warrior, even if he does want to eat peoples children.

I was actually joking, but that's what most people are trying to say when they go on about aesthetics.

[younghypnotiq]

relentless dont even waste ur time. these "old school" guys think they no everting and will never admit weights are better. there just to pussy to do hard weight training like snatches and shit and hard cardio like HIIT burpees

[MagnificentMatt]

relentless dont even waste ur time. these "old school" guys think they no everting and will never admit weights are better. there just to pussy to do hard weight training like snatches and shit and hard cardio like HIIT burpees

Heh, theyre not better, certain training methods work for certain fighters man.. Burpees are hard as shit, and make me want to toss my stomach, but LONG roadwork gives you work ethic and that drive you need to overcome anything...

They all have their perks in my opinion..

[Relentless]

Heh, theyre not better, certain training methods work for certain fighters man.. Burpees are hard as shit, and make me want to toss my stomach, but LONG roadwork gives you work ethic and that drive you need to overcome anything...

They all have their perks in my opinion.. thats right. i like to run 3 miles and every once in a while i run 4 or 5, i find it beneficial, but that does not mean it works for everyone, a guy i train with has won national championship 3 times, this guy trains with very little intensity, he doesn't run either but the only time i see him work hard is sparring, it works for him.

[Relentless]

relentless dont even waste ur time. these "old school" guys think they no everting and will never admit weights are better. there just to pussy to do hard weight training like snatches and shit and hard cardio like HIIT burpees nwil is not 'old school' he is a 17 year old kid, and you almost sound as ignorant as the rest.

[MagnificentMatt]

nwil is not 'old school' he is a 17 year old kid, and you almost sound as ignorant as the rest.
Exactly, by saying HIIT and Weight Training are "better"...

What it all comes down to, if you're training a certain way, and winning fights, you're doing fine as far as im concerned.

Look what happened to Mosley when he started doing heavy lifting with Vargas 1...(It was a somewhat close fight)
Than look at him in Vargas 2 where he used more of his older training techniques with his dad..

I also think the biggest advantage of roadwork, despite the stamina, leg endurance, and all... Would have to be the discipline and work ethic it helps you get, or maintain..

[RockOn33]

relentless dont even waste ur time. these "old school" guys think they no everting and will never admit weights are better. there just to pussy to do hard weight training like snatches and shit and hard cardio like HIIT burpees

who says they dont do ight training? all they said was that u need to run. and they were saying it in a respectable manner. ur a complete waste of space on the forum.

[Dumi]

Professional athletes have access to the best trainers in the world.

You'd be surprised how many athletes have horrendous training programs. Lots of phoney experts out there, too.

[Nwil]

holyfield is more of a warrior than tyson ever will be, holyfield fights his heart out, what makes you think he is more focused on aesthetics?

no one is more of a warrior than tyson. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

you said tyson used weights? all he did were shrugs...holyfield uses fucking machines and shit like that russian dude from rocky.

younghypnotiq, SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH. you come on this forum with a new post every day asking what the best training methods are, you don't know shit.

relentless, you are correct: different things work for different people. We should leave it at that because that clears up a lot of the quarrels on this forum.

[Nwil]

Look what happened to Mosley when he started doing heavy lifting with Vargas 1...(It was a somewhat close fight)
Than look at him in Vargas 2 where he used more of his older training techniques with his dad..

this is exactly what I'm talking about. people have to stop using specific examples as if they illustrate general truths.

[viru§™]

no one is more of a warrior than tyson. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

you said tyson used weights? all he did were shrugs...holyfield uses fucking machines and shit like that russian dude from rocky.

younghypnotiq, SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH. you come on this forum with a new post every day asking what the best training methods are, you don't know shit.

relentless, you are correct: different things work for different people. We should leave it at that because that clears up a lot of the quarrels on this forum.

I've seen Tyson doing squats and lat pulldown.

[Nwil]

that may be the case now, but his old workout consisted of shitloads of push ups, sit ups, etc, with some shrugs for shoulder strength and endurance (I think it was 15 kg)

Free weights are definitely not bad....it's just that too much heavy lifting will hamper skills. machines, however, have no practical benefit.

[Kenny]

:lol: funny how you had to start off with "i am a former pro boxer", like who cares?:rofl :nut

anyways running is good but its not the only way of doing things, a few pro boxers i know here who dont run, they prefer swimming or biking, or some just stick to traditional bag work, jump rope and floor work and they say that is enough, many of them have bad knees from running.

by the way whats your pro record, i hope you haven't lost a fight or you're going to sound like an idiot.

..............................................

The reason someone here would start off with, "Im a pro" is because it shows he walks the walk and his words have more merit because he is not just another guy going through the motions...he is a pro!

Secondly, for the person that brought up energy systems, running is not about energy systems it is about leg conditioning like the pro said above. If you swim bike you are not getting used to handling your OWN bodyweight and your leg conditioning will suffer in the ring.

Moving in the ring should be second nature NOT a thought process, therefore the more you do your conditioning on your own feet the better.

[Relentless]

no one is more of a warrior than tyson. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

you said tyson used weights? all he did were shrugs...holyfield uses fucking machines and shit like that russian dude from rocky.

younghypnotiq, SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH. you come on this forum with a new post every day asking what the best training methods are, you don't know shit.

relentless, you are correct: different things work for different people. We should leave it at that because that clears up a lot of the quarrels on this forum.

holyfield is more of a warrior than tyson ever will be, tyson is mentally weak, fought in a weak era, holyfield kicked his ass, and would have beat him when he was younger, holyfield is a 2 weight champion and 4 times heavyweight champion, you might not know what the fuck i'm talking about but i do, i have been into boxing even before you learned to jack off, the cheese in my foreskin knows more boxing than you and your father ever will combined!

you're lucky you are a little asian boy who knows shit or i would have really ripped you a new asshole and fucked you through it while tattooing my name on your left butt cheek and stamping your right testicle with my grandfathers name.

:hey :hey

[Relentless]

that may be the case now, but his old workout consisted of shitloads of push ups, sit ups, etc, with some shrugs for shoulder strength and endurance (I think it was 15 kg)

Free weights are definitely not bad....it's just that too much heavy lifting will hamper skills. machines, however, have no practical benefit.

oh and who said holyfield uses machines?

[Nwil]

holyfield is more of a warrior than tyson ever will be, tyson is mentally weak, fought in a weak era, holyfield kicked his ass, and would have beat him when he was younger, holyfield is a 2 weight champion and 4 times heavyweight champion, you might not know what the fuck i'm talking about but i do, i have been into boxing even before you learned to jack off, the cheese in my foreskin knows more boxing than you and your father ever will combined!

you're lucky you are a little asian boy who knows shit or i would have really ripped you a new asshole and fucked you through it while tattooing my name on your left butt cheek and stamping your right testicle with my grandfathers name.

first of all, aren't you in college? that would make you, what, 3 years older than me?

whatever, you want to think tyson is mentally weak, go ahead.

as for the rest of this retarted-ass post...:patsch

I've seen videos of holyfield using machines and many people on this forum have said so in the past.

[Relentless]

first of all, aren't you in college? that would make you, what, 3 years older than me?

whatever, you want to think tyson is mentally weak, go ahead.

as for the rest of this retarted-ass post...:patsch

I've seen videos of holyfield using machines and many people on this forum have said so in the past.

there is an age limit for college?

next time talk to me with some respect or i'll really tear you a new one white boy,

oh and by the way are you going to keep my name tattooed on your butt or remove it?

[Relentless]

first of all, aren't you in college? that would make you, what, 3 years older than me?

whatever, you want to think tyson is mentally weak, go ahead.

as for the rest of this retarted-ass post...:patsch

I've seen videos of holyfield using machines and many people on this forum have said so in the past.

post proof or just shut the fuck up Lee.

[Nwil]

there is an age limit for college?

next time talk to me with some respect or i'll really tear you a new one white boy,

oh and by the way are you going to keep my name tattooed on your butt or remove it?

hmm....guess not, so you're older, and?

are you fucking serious? this is the fucking internet, so it doesn't matter, but I would rip your little 125 lb. ass up.

the vids were links....and a clip a while ago on hbo, so can't post, but I don't have shit to prove.

[Relentless]

hmm....guess not, so you're older, and?

are you fucking serious? this is the fucking internet, so it doesn't matter, but I would rip your little 125 lb. ass up.

the vids were links....and a clip a while ago on hbo, so can't post, but I don't have shit to prove.

125?

try 138, you're a little asian kid on the internet, you rip my ass up?:lol: :rofl

i'd take a dump on your mothers chest and let the faggot (a.k.a your father) eat it off.:blurp

kid ask your father about me, i also left my signature stamp on his butt cheek, you want some too?
like father like son huh?:hey

stupid fruitcake, stick to karate.:hi:

[Relentless]

the vids were links....and a clip a while ago on hbo, so can't post, but I don't have shit to prove.

you almost sound as tough as your father before i make him pick out the corn from my shit and plant it in his mangina.

[MagnificentMatt]

this is exactly what I'm talking about. people have to stop using specific examples as if they illustrate general truths.
Heh, my whole point was that wasnt a general truth, i was trying to explain that Mosley tryed to change his training and it didnt work for him very well, must not have read my other post....

[Relentless]

Heh, my whole point was that wasnt a general truth, i was trying to explain that Mosley tryed to change his training and it didnt work for him very well, must not have read my other post....

mosley didn't change his training, he was with darryl hudson (his conditioning coach) from his lightweight days until the second winky fight, that was when he got rid of his father and hired joe goosen as his trainer, goosen didn't want shane lifting so they got rid of hudson, later for the vargas fight (after mosley and his father got back together) jack wanted shane lifting again, but without the aid of hudson they didn't really know what they were doing and shane just bulked up too much and had to dehydrate to make weight..

[MagnificentMatt]

mosley didn't change his training, he was with darryl hudson (his conditioning coach) from his lightweight days until the second winky fight, that was when he got rid of his father and hired joe goosen as his trainer, goosen didn't want shane lifting so they got rid of hudson, later for the vargas fight (after mosley and his father got back together) jack wanted shane lifting again, but without the aid of hudson they didn't really know what they were doing and shane just bulked up too much and had to dehydrate to make weight..
Well, whatever happened, i knew he'd bulked up too much, and they were bragging about how much he was squating...

[Nwil]

125?

try 138, you're a little asian kid on the internet, you rip my ass up?:lol: :rofl

i'd take a dump on your mothers chest and let the faggot (a.k.a your father) eat it off.:blurp

kid ask your father about me, i also left my signature stamp on his butt cheek, you want some too?
like father like son huh?:hey

stupid fruitcake, stick to karate.:hi:

so, you've gained 13 lbs.? this wouldn't have anything to do with your earlier post about stopping training and getting out of shape? If so, your beating would just be worse. I shouldn't have included weight - I'd fuck your ass up either way.

why the fuck do you think I'm asian? I'm white, you faggot. and your corny-ass jokes about parents are pathetic.

oh yeah, I've never done karate.

[Relentless]

so, you've gained 13 lbs.? this wouldn't have anything to do with your earlier post about stopping training and getting out of shape? If so, your beating would just be worse. I shouldn't have included weight - I'd fuck your ass up either way.

why the fuck do you think I'm asian? I'm white, you faggot. and your corny-ass jokes about parents are pathetic.

oh yeah, I've never done karate.

no its not to do with me getting out of shape, i'm a SBA:yep

i could see i touched some nerves, threatening to beat my ass over the internet, i'd eat this kid for breakfast :rofl

nwil-

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white boy after i fuck you i'd make you pluck my pubes and wrap it around your teeth.:smoke

[MrSmall]

Also, College in UK isn't College as Americans know it - It's between High School and University.
So Relentless should be 16-18?
Or am I wrong.

[Relentless]

Also, College in UK isn't College as Americans know it - It's between High School and University.
So Relentless should be 16-18?
Or am I wrong.

i think you got it mistaken with 6th form college, tha is for 16-18, i'm at a higher education college which is 18+

[Nwil]

you're hilarious, relentless. and yes, you definitely struck a chord there :good

[Relentless]

you're hilarious, relentless. and yes, you definitely struck a chord there :good

please stop! :nut

i'm just getting warmed up, i was just going to start manipulating my cock from the thought of you moaning.

[Ravishing Rick]

i started doing some major push ups throughout the day and I noticed my strength gains already! I think weight training is overrated. Prime Tyson only did calisthenics.

[lepinthehood]

evander holyfield is a pretty boy bodybuilder. your out of god damn mind lol

[viru§™]

i started doing some major push ups throughout the day and I noticed my strength gains already! I think weight training is overrated. Prime Tyson only did calisthenics.

You must have been weak as piss if you're noticing strenth gains from pushups.

How did you come to the conclusion weight training is overrated from doing a few pushups?

[Slicknick56]

evander holyfield lost to lennox lewis because lennox lewis knew holyfield didnt do his roadwork.

boxers should run, these guys saying that they dont see the need to run and rather cycle or do some other gay crunch fitness gym type excercise are the reason why boxing is falling apart, no tough guys left out there. cant believe i see people crying about running. wow.

"wahh, i dont wanna run there are other excercises" "a[Only registered and activated users can see links] running is outdated" "no benefits from running, wahhh" wtff happened to fighters, jeeeeez

[viru§™]

evander holyfield lost to lennox lewis because lennox lewis knew holyfield didnt do his roadwork.

boxers should run, these guys saying that they dont see the need to run and rather cycle or do some other gay crunch fitness gym type excercise are the reason why boxing is falling apart, no tough guys left out there. cant believe i see people crying about running. wow.

"wahh, i dont wanna run there are other excercises" "a[Only registered and activated users can see links] running is outdated" "no benefits from running, wahhh" wtff happened to fighters, jeeeeez

Try reading the thread before posting, your post was random and pointless.

[scrap]

I watched Lennox Run, one Day a Woman pushing a Pram passed Him.