Enzo vs Haye, March 8th. Finally!!!!

[suby81]

From BBC Sport.

Reckon its about time:happy

[robpalmer135]

Awsome news, any word on weight!

[Sprint]

Fantastic news! An All British Unification showdown, what more can you ask for?

[The Lads]

200lbs - cruiserweight match up, surely

[robpalmer135]

yeh at 200lbs this is a 50-50 fight becasue Haye is at 70%

[Claypole]

I really wouldn't get too excited yet. Haye has already stated that he is planning to fight a "top" heavyweight next.

[The Lads]

He's also claimed to have stayed in training to keep his weight down and fight macca.

When was the last time two brits faced off for a unification fight?

[robpalmer135]

Eubank vs Benn 2!

[robpalmer135]

I really wouldn't get too excited yet. Haye has already stated that he is planning to fight a "top" heavyweight next.

He has signed the contract!

[robpalmer135]

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[phonk]

Good good. Any word of a venue, time?

I presume this won't be PPV. I can;t quite see Haye or Enzo carrying their own PPV event.

[ron u.k.]

can't wait for this.the great match ups just keep coming.

[doggyland]

Haye by KO rd 1

:deal

[The Lads]

Macca by TKO, round 9

[jc]

haye by mid round stoppage. Though Nezo does hit hard enough to win, i just have more faith in Hayes ability. Great match!

All we need now is for Ricky and junior to pull there fingers out!

[Smazz20]

About damn time!!! Excellent fight for all boxing fans.

[Ilesey]

Brilliant. My heart says Enzo but my head says Haye - but only just.

[robpalmer135]

Brilliant. My heart says Enzo but my head says Haye - but only just.

Why is that?

[GABBY]

could go either way this one, going with enzo UD

[stuey]

what fucking brilliant news:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

[SevenSamurai]

Finally we get to see Macca, get KTFO!

Haye should stop him inside 8 rounds.

[stuey]

where is the venue?

[SevenSamurai]

where is the venue?

TBC according to the article on the BBC site.

[stuey]

please please please be wembley arena, or the 02, anywhere in london...

facking ell i am like a kid before xmas, i read this was on and started fackin dribbling:yep this is fucking brilliant

[The Lads]

Swansea would make sense, but then when did boxing ever make sense?

[brown_bomber]

haye by ko 3

[Diablo]

Haye by KO.

Both fighters bring huge power and suspect chins but the speed advantage goes to haye

[Cobbler]

Swansea would make sense, but then when did boxing ever make sense?

Ain't anywhere in Swansea anywhere big enough to stage this fight, except the Liberty Stadium which it isn't going to be as (a) it's the first week in March and theres no roof and (b) Swansea are playing at home that day.

[Steve Fox]

Speed, power and experience all appear to be in Haye's favour. Even weight-drained, I expect Haye's superior class to be immediately evident. Whether his left hand is low or not, I still think it will be Haye who is able to land at will, and Enzo just won't be sturdy enough to take them. Without the time on his hands to do what he wants, I think Enzo will be shown up to be somewhat mediocre.

[safe_pa]

This is great news, I like both guys but I believe that Haye will win. I have to take back all I said about Macca now though, he isn't a pussy, he is taking a dangerous fight and more importantly the most meaningful fight he can get and I can't wait :happy

[GABBY]

Hope its in manchester .

[scurlaruntings]

This is an even money bout.You have 2 massive punchers both of whom have average chins.This is a case of whomever lands 1st and hardest.Haye NEEDS to win this.Any other result wont bode well for the division or for Davids reputation as the new kid on the block.Heres hoping he can make 200 properly.

[Betty Swollocks]

Haye knocks his ass out.

[Cobbler]

This is an even money bout.You have 2 massive punchers both of whom have average chins.This is a case of whomever lands 1st and hardest.Haye NEEDS to win this.Any other result wont bode well for the division or for Davids reputation as the new kid on the block.Heres hoping he can make 200 properly.

Who has Enzo knocked out to demonstrate this 'massive power'? Haye has demonstrated massive power. Enzo's career record shows reasonable power, without knocking out anyone particularly notable. He has a superior knockout % to Mormeck, for example, but then Mormeck has campaigned in notably higher class, so it wouldn't be a suprise if the two were actually fairly equivalent.

[Steve Fox]

Who has Enzo knocked out to demonstrate this 'massive power'? Haye has demonstrated massive power. Enzo's career record shows reasonable power, without knocking out anyone particularly notable. He has a superior knockout % to Mormeck, for example, but then Mormeck has campaigned in notably higher class, so it wouldn't be a suprise if the two were actually fairly equivalent.Here, here! This talk of his murderous power and new found silky skills under Enzo Calzaghe, is the stuff of press releases.

[Danny]

He's also claimed to have stayed in training to keep his weight down and fight macca.

When was the last time two brits faced off for a unification fight?

Talk about bend over backwards to make the fight with Maccarinelli. Maintaining his training, clearly indicates Haye wants the fight.

However, before all the people say Haye will not have to boil down to make weight because he kept in training since Nov 10, I point out that Haye weighed 213lbs on the night against Mormeck, a gain of 13lbs in what, 24hrs?

I reckon Haye will win & in spectacular fashion. In terms of talent, ability, Maccarinelli is not in the same league as Haye. Haye has also fought the sterner opponents.

Again, Haye will have to boil down to make weight, again, he'll only be 70% of what he can possibly be, but that will be enough in my view.

When Haye wins, he can ride off up to HW. Massive respect to Haye for taking the fight, because let's face it, Maccarinelli needs Haye, not the other way around!

[john b]

Apparently haye was saying that if he fights at cruiserweight he his in the gym all year round for this fight. This should be his last fight at Cruiserweight and then he should go up. I think it will seven rounds with both fighters being on the canvas and the haye will knock him out.

[knighty]

[quote=Cobbler]Who has Enzo knocked out to demonstrate this 'massive power'?

THE WELSH UNIVERSITY OF SCIENCE MATE!!! THEY RIGGED HIM UP AND HIS PUNCH IS THE EQUIVELENT OF A 3 AND A HALF TON TRUCK!! ANY WAY I CANT BELIEVE THE FIGHT IS HAPPENING!!! WELL DONE TO BOOTH , ****** BIG MACC BUT MOST OF ALL THE HAYEMAKER!!! HE DIDNT HAVE TO TAKE THIS FIGHT. WE ALL NO THE PUNISHMENT HE GOES THROUGH TO MAKE WEIGHT BUT THE GUY IS THROWING DOWN THE GAUNTLET TO PROVE HE IS THE BEST!! IM WELSH AND IM A BIG MACC FAN BUT I HOPE HAYE WINS ( I DONT THINK HE WILL). IT WILL BE BETTER FOR BRITISH BOXING IF HE DOES AS HE HAS MORE TO OFFER!! ANY WAY THE REAL WINNERS HERE ARE US , THE PAYING PUBLC AND I SUSPECT WERE IN FOR A REAL BARN BURNER!! BIG MACC TO WIN BY TKO ROUND 7. HAYE IS THE BETTER BOXER TECHNICALLY BUT I BELIEVE HE WILL BE TO WEIGHTDRAINED TO TAKE ONE OF ENZOS LEFT HOOKS. UNLESS HE MANAGES TO AVOID ONE WHICH I DOUBT HE WILL. IN THE MORMACK FIGHT HE KEPT DROPPING HIS GUARD AND EXPOSING THE RIGHT SIDE OF HIS FACE!! ANYWAY MARCH THE 8TH , LET BATTLE COMMENCE!!!!

[Cobbler]

"THE WELSH UNIVERSITY OF SCIENCE MATE!!! THEY RIGGED HIM UP AND HIS PUNCH IS THE EQUIVELENT OF A 3 AND A HALF TON TRUCK!!"

Why didn't he think to hit Braithwaite with that?

Condolences for your malfunctioning keyboard though.

[john b]

haye by mid round stoppage. Though Nezo does hit hard enough to win, i just have more faith in Hayes ability. Great match!

All we need now is for Ricky and junior to pull there fingers out!

spot on:thumbsup

[chesh]

Haye in 4. He's way too fast for Enzo.

[steelem]

[quote=knighty][quote=Cobbler]Who has Enzo knocked out to demonstrate this 'massive power'?

IM WELSH AND IM A BIG MACC FAN BUT I HOPE HAYE WINS ( I DONT THINK HE WILL).

What a wanker you are - i bet you support chelsea 1 year - man utd the next & i bet arsenal this year - u XXXX

[Dekkers]

Dumb fight for Haye, doesn't really have much to gain draining to cruiser again, he's not even making himself 'the man' if he beats Enzo anyway, to do that he'd look to beat the winner of Huck vs Cunningham. Haye should just get on with his career at heavyweight, let Enzo come to him if he wants the fight that badly.

[rooq]

i'll be supporting haye all the way! can you imagine how fuckin smug ****** will be if macca wins !

[steelem]

Hard To Call - Cant Say Haye Has Ever Impressed Me - & Enzo Was Quite Poor When I Saw Him On The Calzaghe Bill -

[brown bomber]

What a fight can't wait.

[mike464]

Phoned up Setanta to cancel my contract and the bloke at the other end said they are showing the Haye fight in March and that I can say on for just £5 a month for the next 4 months. Bargain! Especially if they show B-Hop-Calzaghe and Jones-Trinidad too.

[rooq]

Phoned up Setanta to cancel my contract and the bloke at the other end said they are showing the Haye fight in March and that I can say on for just £5 a month for the next 4 months. Bargain! Especially if they show B-Hop-Calzaghe and Jones-Trinidad too.

nice one...might have to try that myself

[ScouseLad]

Phoned up Setanta to cancel my contract and the bloke at the other end said they are showing the Haye fight in March and that I can say on for just £5 a month for the next 4 months. Bargain! Especially if they show B-Hop-Calzaghe and Jones-Trinidad too.

Mike, what number did you ring for that mate? Got to cancel our one we've got through sky as we are on it through virgin now.

[mike464]

Mike, what number did you ring for that mate? Got to cancel our one we've got through sky as we are on it through virgin now.08700 50 69 84 from their website:
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it's for their call centre

[ScouseLad]

Cheers fella.

[David UK]

I hope this fight goes ahead, but before you all get too excited remember that ****** has a nasty habit of announcing fights before they are actually finalised. He's been doing this for years. Also, he doesn't yet have a venue which is slighty odd, as ****** normally will have venues booked and then make the fights to stage at those venues. The reason for this is that many of the top venues are booked up(on a Saturday night) many months in advance eg pop concerts etc. I hope I'm wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if I'm right

[mike464]

I'm just worried that FW has some nasty tricks up his sleeve to screw Haye out of the title.

[Jimbo]

This is why Haye is so easy to like. Everyone would have understood if he didn't want to boil down to 200 again but he is happy to make the sacrifices it takes to give the fans the fight they want. C'mon the Hayemaker.

[elle]

This is why Haye is so easy to like. Everyone would have understood if he didn't want to boil down to 200 again but he is happy to make the sacrifices it takes to give the fans the fight they want. C'mon the Hayemaker.

My thoughts exactly.

Credit to Haye for making this fight happen - he could have just taken an easy voluntary defence before stepping up to heavyweight.

Have lost respect for Maccarinelli over the past few months so hope he can redeem himself in the build up to this fight - will do well to remember it is Haye giving him the opportunity to win all the belts at cruiserweight.

[Jimbo]

My thoughts exactly.

Credit to Haye for making this fight happen - he could have just taken an easy voluntary defence before stepping up to heavyweight.

Have lost respect for Maccarinelli over the past few months so hope he can redeem himself in the build up to this fight - will do well to remember it is Haye giving him the opportunity to win all the belts at cruiserweight.

I'm interested to see what the T&C's are in the contract. Wonder if Fwank was willing to make Haye a huge offer or whether he relied on Haye's willingness to make the fight?

In answer to your other question, given that it appears to be promoted by ****** it'll be on Setanta.

[elle]

I'm interested to see what the T&C's are in the contract. Wonder if Fwank was willing to make Haye a huge offer or whether he relied on Haye's willingness to make the fight?

In answer to your other question, given that it appears to be promoted by ****** it'll be on Setanta.

Can only speculate that the terms and conditions must have been more favourable to Haye than previously.

Maccarinelli was quoted about Haye "finally putting pen to paper" - think his reluctance in the past had been due to rumours about unreasonable demands!

Jimbo, it was another poster who asked about where the fight will be shown but you are quite right - Setanta have it exclusively.

[Cobbler]

Hard To Call - Cant Say Haye Has Ever Impressed Me - & Enzo Was Quite Poor When I Saw Him On The Calzaghe Bill -

What exactly does it take to impress you? :shock:

I'm actually baffled. I understand the people who say he needs to tighten his defence, or those he question his chin (though I disagree on that one), but never impressed?

[johnny5]

This is brilliant news! What a great match up to look forward to in 2008! I'm going for Haye...Just!

[Healy]

Haye will win by KO, for sure ta be sure! cant wait for it

[steelem]

What exactly does it take to impress you? :shock:

I'm actually baffled. I understand the people who say he needs to tighten his defence, or those he question his chin (though I disagree on that one), but never impressed?

no idea why your baffled - you like a fighter you dont - i dont like haye full stop!!!

[Max Molyneux]

Hard fight to call, some here are assuming Haye wins easy because he beat Mormeck who was there for the taking and was average anyway and underrate Macca because of resume.

Haye hasn't shown head movement to slip under a jab since he beat Gurov either.

[Max Molyneux]

ErHere, here! This talk of his murderous power and new found silky skills under Enzo Calzaghe, is the stuff of press releases.

Errrrm the Braithwaite fight showed his new found skills not press releases.

[Sly]

Hard fight to call, some here are assuming Haye wins easy because he beat Mormeck who was there for the taking and was average anyway and underrate Macca because of resume.

Haye hasn't shown head movement to slip under a jab since he beat Gurov either.

How can you say Mormeck was 'average' and 'there for the taking'? I can guarantee you weren't saying those things BEFORE Haye knocked him out. Mormeck was clearly the best cruiser on the planet and had the perfect style to give Haye major problems.

On one hand you're saying Mormeck was 'average', and then you're saying Maccarinelli proved himself as the new Lennox Lewis because of the way he beat Wayne Braithwaite. How can that work? Did you ever see Mormeck batter Braithwaite around the ring and drop him? If anyone was there for the taking it was Braithwaite. The guy was semi-retired when Enzo got to him. He was happy to just to take his paycheck and return to Guyana to live it up a little bit.

Maccarinelli is much more suited to Haye, style-wise. Tall, upright, horrible defence, weak chin. Enzo's dangerous going forwards - he throws every shot in the book well - but he can't fight going backwards and has NO DEFENCE. If Mark Hobson could punch a little bit we wouldn't even be talking about Haye vs. Maccarinelli.

[Benjiabc]

even money fight. enzo has enough power to win but i think haye has slightly better boxing ability so the advantage is with haye

[Max Molyneux]

How can you say Mormeck was 'average' and 'there for the taking'? I can guarantee you weren't saying those things BEFORE Haye knocked him out. Mormeck was clearly the best cruiser on the planet and had the perfect style to give Haye major problems.

On one hand you're saying Mormeck was 'average', and then you're saying Maccarinelli proved himself as the new Lennox Lewis because of the way he beat Wayne Braithwaite. How can that work? Did you ever see Mormeck batter Braithwaite around the ring and drop him? If anyone was there for the taking it was Braithwaite. The guy was semi-retired when Enzo got to him. He was happy to just to take his paycheck and return to Guyana to live it up a little bit.

Maccarinelli is much more suited to Haye, style-wise. Tall, upright, horrible defence, weak chin. Enzo's dangerous going forwards - he throws every shot in the book well - but he can't fight going backwards and has NO DEFENCE. If Mark Hobson could punch a little bit we wouldn't even be talking about Haye vs. Maccarinelli.

I was saying Haye would beat Mormeck as long as the weight didn't effect him. Newbies can;t guarantee what I said If they've only just joined here. The only problems he caused was hitting Haye on the chin.

I said Mac looked like a cruiser version of Lennox Lewis the way he outboxed Braithwaite keeping on the jab and then when close opened up with uppercuts. How can what work? He did look simular to Lewis to me.

Mac beat Braithwaite much easier than Mormeck did. Mormeck was there for taking, anyone who struggles with O'Neil Bell was going to lose eventually and his stamina was terrible In both Bell fights.

Enzo didn't knocked down by a Super Middleweight so who's got the weaker chin exactly? Enzo stayed up against Braithwaite well enough so his durability ain;t that bad. Haye hasn't shown the head movement he had against Gurov to slip under the jabs like he did against Gurov.

What horrible defence? Enzo's ability has Improved alot under Calzaghe and Is using his height and reach to his advantage more and keeps a tighter defence.

Your assuming Haye will win because he beat Mormeck, don't even use paper or resume to judge this fight.

[Sly]

I was saying Haye would beat Mormeck as long as the weight didn't effect him. Newbies can;t guarantee what I said If they've only just joined here. The only problems he caused was hitting Haye on the chin.

I said Mac looked like a cruiser version of Lennox Lewis the way he outboxed Braithwaite keeping on the jab and then when close opened up with uppercuts. How can what work? He did look simular to Lewis to me.

Mac beat Braithwaite much easier than Mormeck did. Mormeck was there for taking, anyone who struggles with O'Neil Bell was going to lose eventually and his stamina was terrible In both Bell fights.

Enzo didn't knocked down by a Super Middleweight so who's got the weaker chin exactly? Enzo stayed up against Braithwaite well enough so his durability ain;t that bad. Haye hasn't shown the head movement he had against Gurov to slip under the jabs like he did against Gurov.

What horrible defence? Enzo's ability has Improved alot under Calzaghe and Is using his height and reach to his advantage more and keeps a tighter defence.

Your assuming Haye will win because he beat Mormeck, don't even use paper or resume to judge this fight.

What has the word 'newbie' got to do with anything? I don't even know what ones of those is. Talk about running out of things to say.

Also, if you think Enzo beat Braithwaite more impressively than Mormeck did you've obviously, like I expected, never seen Mormeck vs. Braithwaite. Unlike Enzo, Mormeck was never rocked in that fight. He won every single round, dropped a prime, unbeaten and ambitious Braithwaite and mixed it up between brawling and boxing.

The Braithwaite that fought Mormeck was entirely different from the Braithwaite that fought Maccarinelli.

Oh yeah, and Maccarinelli's never looked like Lennox Lewis. He's good...but let's not flat out lie. Lennox could move his head a littl bit.

[robpalmer135]

Advantages to Haye

1) Haye is Bigger than Enzo
2) Haye is a bigger puncher
3) Haye is Stronger than Enzo
4) Haye is faster than Enzo
5) Haye takes body shots better than Enzo
6) Haye is better on the backfoot
7) Hayes toughtest fight was Mormeck (KO 7), Enzos was Braithwaite (UD12)
8) Hayes loss was to former World Champ Carl Thompson , Enzos was to Lee Swaby a Journeyman.
9) Haye has never been Knocked Out, only stopped, Enzo got knocked out by Swaby
10) Haye has a better Amateur pedigree
11) Haye is better on the ropes

Advantages to Enzo

1) He keeps his hands up
2) He will get perfect treatment on the night, Haye won't (remember Woods vs Johnson)
3) He has Enzo Calzaghe
4) Ezno makes the weight fine, Haye struggles, Haye will be at 60-70%


this is why i think Haye will win.

Reason why this will be an amazing fight

Two Heavyweight Punchers, with Light Heavy Speed, Middleweight Chins, and Featherweight Hearts. Both to hit the canvas, but Haye to win within 8 Rounds.

[Claypole]

and Featherweight Hearts. I can only presume you never actually saw the Mormeck fight? You obviously never saw Haye v Fraggomeni either. In both of those fights he had to overcome hard times and find another level.
Enzo too has shown good spirit, so I am a bit baffled as to how you can critisize these guys hearts.

[Steve Fox]

Er

Errrrm the Braithwaite fight showed his new found skills not press releases.Braithwait was shit, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

[elle]

Reason why this will be an amazing fight



Lets hope this fight lives up to its billing and its a good competitive affair.

Big rivals, lot at stake, both boxers share strengths and weaknesses including power and fragility - will probably be a case of which fighter lands well first.

Overall I favour Haye.

[robpalmer135]

I can only presume you never actually saw the Mormeck fight? You obviously never saw Haye v Fraggomeni either. In both of those fights he had to overcome hard times and find another level.
Enzo too has shown good spirit, so I am a bit baffled as to how you can critisize these guys hearts.

when i say Featherweight hearts i mean it as a good thing, like Barrera and Morales!

[scott is cool]

I'm going to put my money on Macca pulling of an upset, although this fight could go anyway, and I don't care who wins, I like both of these guys, but I'm just buzzing the fight has happend.

[john b]

Haye will win because he has a bigger punch and has been in with better class opponents also has punch resistence look at the Mcormeck fight.

[Max Molyneux]

What has the word 'newbie' got to do with anything? I don't even know what ones of those is. Talk about running out of things to say.

Also, if you think Enzo beat Braithwaite more impressively than Mormeck did you've obviously, like I expected, never seen Mormeck vs. Braithwaite. Unlike Enzo, Mormeck was never rocked in that fight. He won every single round, dropped a prime, unbeaten and ambitious Braithwaite and mixed it up between brawling and boxing.

The Braithwaite that fought Mormeck was entirely different from the Braithwaite that fought Maccarinelli.

Oh yeah, and Maccarinelli's never looked like Lennox Lewis. He's good...but let's not flat out lie. Lennox could move his head a littl bit.

Just because I don't share your opinion doesn't mean you can assume what I have and havent watched.

The newbie point was you saying you guaranteed that I didn't say how bad Mormeck was before the fight yet I was saying Haye would win all along as Mormeck struggles with taller fighters and was looking awful against Bell and Bell was lucky to be a champ. It seemed you wern't around long enough on here to see what I was saying.

Mac won every round against Braithwaite too and Is much fitter than Mormeck.

How I'm I flat out lying? I said Macca looked like Lewis the way he worked off the jab and had those uppercuts. His style was simular In my opinion. It Is opinion which Is not lying.

[Max Molyneux]

Braithwait was shit, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

Yeah but you have double standards when It's a ****** fighter. If Braithwaite had fought Haye Instead, you wouldn't be saying that.

[john b]

Yeah but you have double standards when It's a ****** fighter. If Braithwaite had fought Haye Instead, you wouldn't be saying that.

That maybe true but haye would have probably knocked out braithewaite.

[robpalmer135]

Haye would of 100% knocked out Braitwaite. If Macceranelli is such a HUGE puncher, tell me on decent fighter he has KO?

Gunn, Hobson????

[Steve Fox]

Yeah but you have double standards when It's a ****** fighter. If Braithwaite had fought Haye Instead, you wouldn't be saying that.I guarantee I would have been saying that, you're judging me by your own standards. Braithwaite didn't look like he'd come to put up much of a fight.

[Haye]

Featherweight Hearts.

Is that meant to sound detrimental?

I see what you are trying to say, but it comes across as the opposite.

[robpalmer135]

no its a possotive comment. i have explained that.

[scott is cool]

After having a few days to think about this fight, I've changed my mind and now I think Haye will win, by late KO, but I imagine it being a very close and I think both fighters will hit the floor, maybe more than once. But Haye will have too much speed and skill for Enzo.

[Holmes' Jab]

Haye, mid-round TKO.