What Is The THIRD Greatest Win In Heavyweight History?

[McGrain]

Cross-Trainer opinioned last week that Schmeling held the greatest win in HW history, over near peak Joe Louis. Second would be Frazier over Ali. I agree that these are the top two, but would swap them.

Do you agree? What do you think is the THIRD greatest win in HW history?

[Holmes' Jab]

Holyfield vs Tyson I

[heerko koois]

Ali- Foreman......

[hopkinsfan07]

3. Johansson TKO 3 Patterson

4. Dougless KO/10 Tyson

5. Ali KO/8 Foreman

[Raggamuffin]

Ali- Foreman

[fists of fury]

Buster's win over Tyson.

We tend to take it for granted these days, but it's not called the greatest upset in sprting history for nothing.
Tyson was 37-0 with the world at his feet. He must have been super, super confident at beating Douglas, a walk in the park as they say. Buster on the other hand, had failed a few years earlier to take the IBF crown against Tony Tucker, a Tyson victim. He was the fall guy who EVERYONE thought was just another tasty snack for Tyson.
The talk was Tyson-Holyfield, everyone was looking past Douglas already.

In the end, it may not have been vitage Tyson, but he wasn't that bad and Buster just took him to the cleaners in a magnificent display of boxing, knocking him out with a beautiful four punch combination.
It forever shattered the Tyson aura of invincibility and did untold harm to Tyson's psyche.

Can you imagine Tyson's surprise when Douglas started belting him?

[Muskyrat]

Ali - Foreman

douglas - tyson at the time had to up there as one of the biggest upsets in boxing ever

[Holmes' Jab]

I know the Buster win will go down as the greatest upset ever, a great win etc. No questioning that fact. I do honestly believe, though that the version of Tyson that Holyfield defeated in '96 was far sharper, less predictable and far more purposeful for a longer period of the fight than the weary, straight line advance and lack of combination punching fighter that Buster upset so convincingly.

I know Buster wasn't that highly regarded as a threat, however this could be said to be the case regarding Evander by 1996- after the meaningless win over Czyz and the defeats to Moorer and Bowe II he was regarded as a shot fighter. Remember the number of experts predicting a Tyson blowout. ;)

In terms of the bigger upset it's Douglas, in terms of the better win it's Holyfield I, in my view :yep

[Duodenum]

Manila. When Ali was interviewed by Howard Cosell upon his final resignation of the HW Championship, Muhammad identified that match as his best fight. Ali made distinctions between his most important win (Liston I), his peak performances (Williams and Folley), and his best fight (Manila). It's therefore interestingly ironic that others on this thread are naming Ali-Foreman as the third greatest heavyweight win, when Ali himself cited Manila over Kinshasa. I will go along with Muhammad's own assessment of his career achievements, and agree with him that Ali-Frazier III was also the third greatest in this category.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Foreman-Frazier or Ali-Foreman.

[FlatNose]

It is hard to say for sure, but here are some candidates for #3
(1)Jack Johnson ko 14 Tommy Burns....The First Black Heavyweight Champion in an era that racism was still very strong and in fact still a government policy
(2) Joe Louis ko 1 Max Schmeling...2 super fighters representing super power governments right on the brink of WWII
(3)FloydPatterson ko3 Ingemar Johannsen .....The first man to regain the Heavyweight title

[rekcutnevets]

Joe Louis vs. Max Schmeling II was the greatest win in heavyweight history.
Schmeling was Hitlers' represented(unwantingly) view of white supremecy. This fight was to prove that everyone that wasn't white was inferior.

The U.S. was sending someone up against someone from a country that we would be at war with a few years later.

The second most important would be Johnson vs. Jeffries. It is probably as important in the U.S. as the fight mentioned before, but it didn't have the whole world as a stage like the other fight.

3rd would be Johnson's win over Burns.

4th would be Corbett's victory over Sullivan. It set the tone for boxing's future.

5th would be Frazier's win over Ali. That was the biggest thing, event wise, as boxing has ever seen.

6th was Ali's victory over Foreman. Not only was it miraculous at the time, but location and everything that went in to making that fight contribute to its importance.

[Robbi]

Douglas' win over Tyson was the greatest.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Yeah, Douglas-Tyson has to be up there.

[C. M. Clay II]

Cross-Trainer opinioned last week that Schmeling held the greatest win in HW history, over near peak Joe Louis. Second would be Frazier over Ali. I agree that these are the top two, but would swap them.

Do you agree? What do you think is the THIRD greatest win in HW history?

Foreman-Ali is the greatest win in HW history, IMO. Foreman was at his peak and he got schooled. Louis was not peak, neither was Ali against Frazier. Then at #2 I would say Tyson-Douglas. Then at #3 I would put in Louis-Schmeling I.:good

[Stonehands89]

Frazier-Ali, Schmeling-Louis I (II may be first in terms of worldwide significance), Ali-Foreman --these are all great choices.

Beleive it or not, I would choose Foreman-Moorer for the top spot. It was Ali-Foreman II in spiritual/emotional way and it was an exorcism in the life of Foreman... "The Ghosts of Zaire". The fact that Foreman reclaimed the title 20 years after he lost it against a young, hard-punching undefeated southpaw champion while wearing the same worn-out red and blue trunks makes it high drama.

Foreman is Odysseus.

[cross_trainer]

1. Louis/Schmeling I--Louis was not at his destructive peak, but he was close. This win was the more dominant than Ali/Frazier I, Louis was very slightly better as a heavyweight than Ali (#1 as opposed to #2), and Louis was roughly as far from his peak as Ali was in FOTC.

2. Ali/Frazier I--Ali was a superior heavyweight to Foreman, so Frazier's win over him (albeit a slightly past prime version) was a better win.

3. Tyson/Douglas--Tyson was also slightly past his peak at this point, and, since he was not quite as good as Ali or Louis, but was better than Foreman, this deserves to be #3.

4. Bowe/Holyfield--An explosive, clear victory over Holyfield when the latter was at his peak. Ali/Foreman is arguably above this one, but I felt that the "Zaire factor" played into the latter somewhat.

5. Ali/Foreman--Foreman was at his destructive heavyweight peak here, and despite the effects of the unpleasant climate, loose ropes, and psych-out, he was just as dangerous as he was against Frazier during the early rounds.

[RAMPAGE0017]

I disagree with those who say Louis wasn't at his peak for the first Schmeling fight. If he underestimated Schmeling then that's his own fault, other than that all of his ring-skills looked no different than they would in years to come, in my judgment.

[BOGART]

Depends on how the question is intended to be answered. If it means greatest when viewed by the impact it had during its time and for its worth historically I'd list the top 5 something like this:

1 Louis-Schmelling II
2 Johnson-Jeffries
3 Ali-Frazier I
4 Dempsey-Tunney
5 Ali-Foreman

Some of those could be interchangeable and there might be a couple that could be argued in like Ali-Frazier III, Sullivan-Corbett, or even Tyson-Lewis


If the question is greatest win based on the caliber of the opponent beaten than I'd put it something like this:

1 Ali-Frazier I
2 Louis-Schmelling I
3 Lewis-Rahman I
4 Ali-Foreman
5 Holyfield-Bowe I

I'd have no problem seeing Tyson-Douglas in there either. Maybe I'm forgetting one or two but these are the ones that stick out for me.

[NickHudson]

this is certainly a beaut, but perhaps a shade or two behind Ali's masterpiece versus Foreman.

Buster's win over Tyson.

We tend to take it for granted these days, but it's not called the greatest upset in sprting history for nothing.
Tyson was 37-0 with the world at his feet. He must have been super, super confident at beating Douglas, a walk in the park as they say. Buster on the other hand, had failed a few years earlier to take the IBF crown against Tony Tucker, a Tyson victim. He was the fall guy who EVERYONE thought was just another tasty snack for Tyson.
The talk was Tyson-Holyfield, everyone was looking past Douglas already.

In the end, it may not have been vitage Tyson, but he wasn't that bad and Buster just took him to the cleaners in a magnificent display of boxing, knocking him out with a beautiful four punch combination.
It forever shattered the Tyson aura of invincibility and did untold harm to Tyson's psyche.

Can you imagine Tyson's surprise when Douglas started belting him?

[Asterion]

Bowe over Holyfield in 1992.

[cross_trainer]

no combination of ali, foreman or frazier should be involved in this discussion. all of them are massively overrated simply by the virtue of fighting eachother.

Partially agree--this is why I rate Louis above Ali (if it wasn't for Louis's dominance, there may have been plenty of other three-way battles for the title).

However, Ali and Frazier made their reputations independently of one another prior to FOTC.

[cross_trainer]

Their reputations/legacies were about equivilent to the average top 20 heavyweight at that point, they weren't top10. however once my patented Vicious cycle of overratedness starts, they become top 10, so ali gets even more points for beating top 10 atg frazier who was top 10 atg because beat ali who beat foreman who was great for beating frazier who was great for beating ali who was great for beating foreman and frazier.
Here's how I look at it:

1971--

Ali is a former champion, whose reign was quite impressive. Not top 10 material, but top 15. (EDIT: On second thought, his record still extremely good. He was arguably top 10 at this point). Frazier has not yet become a top 15 heavy, but he's close because he destroyed everybody else in the heavyweight division.

Frazier beats Ali, and automatically becomes close to a top 10 guy (few beat a top 15 heavy when they are close to their prime).

1972-1977--

Ali beats many contenders OTHER THAN Frazier, while he himself is long past his prime. This confirms his greatness independent of Frazier. Among those he beats is Foreman, who is clearly the best of the early 70's aside from Ali and Frazier...although Foreman is not, in my opinion, a top 10 heavyweight, nor is he an ATG at this point in his career.

Frazier's reputation is built upon his win over Ali and his pre-1971 run.


1990's--

Foreman comes back and blasts out Moorer, remaining relatively successful up until his "loss" to the guy who held the WBO belt recently, and did decently against Lennox Lewis. This, combined with his victories in the 70's (Lyle, old Frazier x2, Chuvalo, Norton) gives him enough of a claim for being an ATG...albeit an overrated one.





The only one who contributed massively to his opponents' legacies is Ali for Frazier in FOTC...but that makes sense. They didn't contribute to each other's greatness any more than is typical for any era's contenders and champions.

[Boilermaker]

This is certainly an interesting question. Before making a decision, i would have to consider some of the possibilities (i havent selected one or two yet). Using caliber of opponent, starting at John L, i would have to consider:

Fitzsimmons v Corbett - Arguably the greatest ever at the time, undefeated superstar who totally outweighed fitz and was a big favourite. Only slightly passed his prime.

Jeffries v Corbett - Corbett was past prime, but he fought brilliantly. Not many champions would have turned back this challenge.

Jeffries v Sharkey - Sharkey was as tough as they come with a very good record. Was never a champion but would have been in many eras. This is as good as any win against any no 1 contender (who never became a world champion).

Willard v Johnson - Johnson was admittedly old, but in all honesty, this was still a very good win.

Tunney v Dempsey - It might not have been prime Dempsey, but he still knocks out most fighters in history at that point in time.

Braddock v Baer - An underated win. He did undertrain, but it was still a very good win.

Louis v Schmelling - Both of these fights were great wins for each of them, but probably slightly more so for Schmelling who did beat arguably the greatest ever when he was very very close to his prime.

Louis v Walcott - Walcott's performance was extremely impressive on this night, a great performance by a future world champion who was close to his best. Walcott nearly upset a past prime but very dangerous all time great. Not many in history at all would have repelled that challenge.

Frazier v Ali - It goes without saying that Frazier's win was absolutely massive. In all honesty, was there more than a handful of guys that even dream of beating that version of Ali?

Ali - Liston - An old Liston but he was still dominant at the time and the only real signs of deterioration was the speed and skill of Ali.

Ali - foreman - A prime all time great who was undefeated, it really doesnt get much better than that.

Spinks - Holmes - Spinks beat a past prime all time great who went on to compete extremely well against modern super heavys up to 10 years later. It wasnt the best Larry Holmes but it was still a hell of an effort.

Tyson - Spinks - Most will laugh at this, but Spinks was a lineal champion who had beaten an All time great, and he was disposed in a round. Spinks deserved a lot better (and would have performed a lot better against most all time greats). This is a very underated win, simply by the sheer dominance of it.

Looking at the list, i say, on a preliminary basis it should read:

1. Schmelling Louis
2. Frazier Ali
3. Foreman Ali
4. Fitzsimmon Corbett

[hopkinsfan07]

This is certainly an interesting question. Before making a decision, i would have to consider some of the possibilities (i havent selected one or two yet). Using caliber of opponent, starting at John L, i would have to consider:

Fitzsimmons v Corbett - Arguably the greatest ever at the time, undefeated superstar who totally outweighed fitz and was a big favourite. Only slightly passed his prime.

Jeffries v Corbett - Corbett was past prime, but he fought brilliantly. Not many champions would have turned back this challenge.

Jeffries v Sharkey - Sharkey was as tough as they come with a very good record. Was never a champion but would have been in many eras. This is as good as any win against any no 1 contender (who never became a world champion).

Willard v Johnson - Johnson was admittedly old, but in all honesty, this was still a very good win.

Tunney v Dempsey - It might not have been prime Dempsey, but he still knocks out most fighters in history at that point in time.

Braddock v Baer - An underated win. He did undertrain, but it was still a very good win.

Louis v Schmelling - Both of these fights were great wins for each of them, but probably slightly more so for Schmelling who did beat arguably the greatest ever when he was very very close to his prime.

Louis v Walcott - Walcott's performance was extremely impressive on this night, a great performance by a future world champion who was close to his best. Walcott nearly upset a past prime but very dangerous all time great. Not many in history at all would have repelled that challenge.

Frazier v Ali - It goes without saying that Frazier's win was absolutely massive. In all honesty, was there more than a handful of guys that even dream of beating that version of Ali?

Ali - Liston - An old Liston but he was still dominant at the time and the only real signs of deterioration was the speed and skill of Ali.

Ali - foreman - A prime all time great who was undefeated, it really doesnt get much better than that.

Spinks - Holmes - Spinks beat a past prime all time great who went on to compete extremely well against modern super heavys up to 10 years later. It wasnt the best Larry Holmes but it was still a hell of an effort.

Tyson - Spinks - Most will laugh at this, but Spinks was a lineal champion who had beaten an All time great, and he was disposed in a round. Spinks deserved a lot better (and would have performed a lot better against most all time greats). This is a very underated win, simply by the sheer dominance of it.

Looking at the list, i say, on a preliminary basis it should read:

1. Schmelling Louis
2. Frazier Ali
3. Foreman Ali
4. Fitzsimmon Corbett


great list but no metion of Patterson vs Johansson Patterson had 4 defences and a record of 35-1 and the 1 being a robbery Johansson was 22-0 and knocked down the champ 7 times before it was stopped and the 2 went on to have a great trilogy

[McGrain]

Hm, i would go for Johnson - Jeffries. Also Jeffries was not far away from shot the significance of him coming out of retirement to beat Johnson, the hated first black hw champion, because nobody else was able to do so puts the win of Johnson very high imo.

But Johnson would be expected to beat Jeffries every time, no? I mean he was all but done.

[mcvey]

Cross-Trainer opinioned last week that Schmeling held the greatest win in HW history, over near peak Joe Louis. Second would be Frazier over Ali. I agree that these are the top two, but would swap them.

Do you agree? What do you think is the THIRD greatest win in HW history?
NO 1 ZAIRE!

[Dempsey1238]

Marciano Charles 1, and perhaps Walcott 1 needs to have be consider in this group of 3rd or 4th ete.

[Dempsey1238]

did the Ali Foreman fight had executions under the ring or something during the build up?? Thats what I heard.

[redrooster]

Douglas over Tyson is #1 considering the odds - no other way to look at it

[Ted Stickles]

Schmeling-Louis
Douglas-Tyson
Frazier -Ali------Was more of a pick-em fight

[Hitman]

Ali/Frazier 1
Douglas/Tyson
Ali/Foreman

[Zakman]

Holyfield's victory over Tyson in 1996.

[Bokaj]

This is top 3 for me:

Douglas/Tyson - I don't think the man get his due for this one. For me he put on an absolutely master class against a Tyson at his physical peak, even if he wasn't at his sharpest. I just can't get past this one.

Ali/Foreman - Foreman was seen as an invincible monster at the time, and even some of Ali's supporters were seriously afraid that Foreman would do permanent damage to him. But Ali answered his doubters not only by winning, but doing it in a way that no one thought possible.

Schmeling/Louis: Louis was not far from being as dominant before this fight as Tyson and Foreman was before the aforementioned fights. But Schmeling schooled him and scored an impressive KO.


Foreman's destruction of Frazier is the one who come closest of the ones who misses out. FOTC was a great win for Frazier, but I tend to give the nod to the big upsets and if I'm not mistaken Frazier was actually the favourite before FOTC.

[McGrain]

No, Frazier was a slender favourite in the US. Ali was favourite elsewhere, the UK for example.

[Quick Cash]

Oh, I know the answer to this!









Roy Jones Jr.-John Ruiz

where's the serious-face smiley?

[SuzieQ49]

Why should ingo-patterson get mentioned but not liston-patterson? Liston twice annihalated ATG patterson in 1 round.

[Irish Steel]

1.Louis Shcemelling II
2.Johnson VS Jeffries
3.Tson VS Douglas
4Foreman Vs Moorer
5.Ali VS Foreman

[Irish Steel]

3. Johansson TKO 3 Patterson

4. Dougless KO/10 Tyson

5. Ali KO/8 Foreman

WHats so good about this win?

[Minotauro]

I always felt it was Douglas vs Tyson the guy was such an outsider only fighter to beat a prime/ pre prison Tyson when nobody thought he could be beat. Buster whole legacy is bulit on this one fight and people still talk about him 18 years on which show how big the win was.

[Bokaj]

No, Frazier was a slender favourite in the US. Ali was favourite elsewhere, the UK for example.

Impressive knowledge. Anyway, you get my point. It wasn't a momentous upset.

[SteveO]

Buster over Tyson

Clay over Liston I

[Russell]

Clay over Liston I

Bwhahhahaa.

No.

[SteveO]

Bwhahhahaa.

No.

Just a thought, just a thought.

[redrooster]

Is it possible that Louis-Schmeling 1 was a fix? I dont think Max was as good as Joe. Joe should have had an easy time with him
but instead he came out much too slow and cautious. Why didnt he just take it to him the way he did Max Baer or Carnera or Sharkey? He easily mastered them so why not Schmeling? Also he easily took care of him in the remtach so that means he could have done it at any time.

#1 of all time is Douglas-Tyson. I remember it well hearing from a friend on the phone-it shook up the world. I thought he was joking the way he thought I was joking about Hearns-Duran. Next would Foreman-Frazier 1 and third Ali-Norton 1

[Dempsey1238]

Is it possible that Louis-Schmeling 1 was a fix? I dont think Max was as good as Joe. Joe should have had an easy time with him
but instead he came out much too slow and cautious. Why didnt he just take it to him the way he did Max Baer or Carnera or Sharkey? He easily mastered them so why not Schmeling? Also he easily took care of him in the remtach so that means he could have done it at any time.

#1 of all time is Douglas-Tyson. I remember it well hearing from a friend on the phone-it shook up the world. I thought he was joking the way he thought I was joking about Hearns-Duran. Next would Foreman-Frazier 1 and third Ali-Norton 1

A Fix??/ I have the fight complete all 12 rounds, and Louis have taking FAR too many right hand bombs on the chin for that to be a fix. It was not Louis's night that day. Lets not forget that Louis had a busted up face after getting ko in round 12.

[redrooster]

I may be wrong but seems curious to me that of all people he had to lose to Schmeling. He could have lost to any of the others - they are more or less the same level. I would think that if anyone he would lose to Baer because he is more dangerous and unpredictable. Schemling very slow and methodical and Joe came out way to slow and didnt try to take charge like he did in all his other fights. I think he was better than max and didnt lose another match until almost 1950.

[SuzieQ49]

Schmeling is far more dangerous than baer. Baer unpredictable? LOL have u watched the film? the man had atrocious boxing skills, horrible punching technique. he was as predictable as they come.

Schmeling on the other hand was an A level master counterpuncher, and he was not slow, his hands were very fast......and he used being methodical to his advantage so he could come out of nowhere with his sneaky right hand

[SuzieQ49]

Fact:

Louis fought Carnera who was a standup strongboy slugger

Louis fought Baer who was another dangerous standup predictable slugger

Louis never fought no first class counterpuncher before, he had yet to fight an A level boxer, something he wasnt stylistically used to so early in his career.



ps louis fought sharkey after schmeling, and sharkey was an aggresive first class boxer who loved to brawl, but he was no Master Counterpuncher like schmeling. Guys who came into louis paid the price, guys who made louis come into them(schmeling) had success until louis corrected his flaws

[Bokaj]

Bwhahhahaa.

No.

What is there to laugh about when it comes to Clay vs Liston I?

That was a great win. People have all kind of theories and excuses for Liston nowadays, but the fact is that Clay fought a great fight against a fighter that was regarded as absolutely unbeatable at the time, a true monster. No HW had been held in such awe since Louis at his peak and young Clay came in and schooled him. Anyone who says that wasn't a great win is either biased or knows fuck all about boxing.

[redrooster]

Schmeling is far more dangerous than baer. Baer unpredictable? LOL have u watched the film? the man had atrocious boxing skills, horrible punching technique. he was as predictable as they come.

Schmeling on the other hand was an A level master counterpuncher, and he was not slow, his hands were very fast......and he used being methodical to his advantage so he could come out of nowhere with his sneaky right hand

You sincerely dont know boxing friend. Baer was well known as a dangerous fighter in history (See Ernie Schaaf, Primo Carnera). And you should know this judging by the record. If Schmeling were so superior to Baer then why is it that the man with "atrocious boxing skills and horrible punching technique" batterd the "A level counterpuncher" into defeat?

You seriously need to stay out of these kinds of debates especially when it's already known you can't finish what you start.

[JohnThomas1]

You sincerely dont know boxing friend. Baer was well known as a dangerous fighter in history (See Ernie Schaaf, Primo Carnera). And you should know this judging by the record. If Schmeling were so superior to Baer then why is it that the man with "atrocious boxing skills and horrible punching technique" batterd the "A level counterpuncher" into defeat?

You seriously need to stay out of these kinds of debates especially when it's already known you can't finish what you start.

What you need to do is go into the 30 fighters thread and give me Camacho's 5 best wins instead of running away.

:hi:

[Sonny's jab]

What you need to do is go into the 30 fighters thread and give me Camacho's 5 best wins instead of running away.

:hi:

I'm guessing running away is considered honourable strategy to Camacho fans.

[JohnThomas1]

I'm guessing running away is considered honourable strategy to Camacho fans.

:lol:

Top stuff!

[redrooster]

What you need to do is go into the 30 fighters thread and give me Camacho's 5 best wins instead of running away.

:hi:

Speaking of people who can't finish what they start.

Outside of Haugen, name me the top 5 Tijuana cab drivers Chavez has wins over.

Johm, I know you're straining your eyes to see her tits.

[SuzieQ49]

I'm guessing running away is considered honourable strategy to Camacho fans.


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[markedwardscott]

Douglas-Tyson in terms of putting everything into one evening. Douglas never did much before or after the Tyson fight, but put it all together that night.

[SuzieQ49]

You sincerely dont know boxing friend. Baer was well known as a dangerous fighter in history (See Ernie Schaaf, Primo Carnera). And you should know this judging by the record. If Schmeling were so superior to Baer then why is it that the man with "atrocious boxing skills and horrible punching technique" batterd the "A level counterpuncher" into defeat?

.

Baer caught Schmeling on an off night, but Baer Fought Tremendously that night he deserves all the credit for Exploiting Schmeling.

However explain to me why Louis easily destroyed Baer in 4 rounds, Then schmeling beats the shit out of louis for 12 rounds?


Schmeling was a better fighter than Baer


You seriously need to stay out of these kinds of debates especially when it's already known you can't finish what you start

Whats the Old adage........Speak for yourself??

[JohnThomas1]

Speaking of people who can't finish what they start.

Outside of Haugen, name me the top 5 Tijuana cab drivers Chavez has wins over.

Johm, I know you're straining your eyes to see her tits.

Rooster, Camacho's top 5! You just know i am going to make a fool of you over this

:yep

[redrooster]

Baer caught Schmeling on an off night, but Baer Fought Tremendously that night he deserves all the credit for Exploiting Schmeling.

However explain to me why Louis easily destroyed Baer in 4 rounds, Then schmeling beats the shit out of louis for 12 rounds?


Schmeling was a better fighter than Baer




Whats the Old adage........Speak for yourself??

I'm speaking to you boy. You cut out of every debate at the first sign of difficulty.

[redrooster]

Rooster, Camacho's top 5! You just know i am going to make a fool of you over this

:yep

Top five Tijuana cab drivers!