Alexander Povetkin

[Dostoevsky]

How the fuck did he win an Olympic gold medal? Were his opponents tied to a chair or something?
What the fuck was wrong with all the other fighters that year? Did the Russian mob pay them to lose?
How could they let Povetkin win an Olympic gold? Jeeezus!

The guy is so slow and sloppy, he looks like a small step above a club fighter, nothing more. He's wild, lacks accuarcy, average speed and power, and this guy is meant to beat Klitschko? :nut Not a great defence, not a great punch variety.......plodding, poor movement.....etcetera, etcetera, etcetera

Not to mention he's very small for a HW nowadays, what decade does he think this is? The 60's and 70's?

Seriously.....what the hell are some people seeing in him that I'm not?
Cause I see nuthin special at all!! :twisted::twisted:

[Asterion]

:huh :huh :huh

[Dostoevsky]

NO!! :twisted:
I will NOT be silenced, I stick by what I just wrote 110%! :fire

[rydersonthestorm]

NO!! :twisted:
I will NOT be silenced, I stick by what I just wrote 110%! :fire:roll::nut

[196osh]

:lol: Is this a wind up?

[JAM Killer]

First off, he is not small for a heavyweight. He is 6'2, that isn't small, it is average. And I do agree to some extent that he is prodding and robotic. But he is winning, and I would say that he is the number one prospect. But I do not see him beating Wladimir.

[RUSKULL]

How the fuck did he win an Olympic gold medal? Were his opponents tied to a chair or something?
What the fuck was wrong with all the other fighters that year? Did the Russian mob pay them to lose?
How could they let Povetkin win an Olympic gold? Jeeezus!

The guy is so slow and sloppy, he looks like a small step above a club fighter, nothing more. He's wild, lacks accuarcy, average speed and power, and this guy is meant to beat Klitschko? :nut Not a great defence, not a great punch variety.......plodding, poor movement.....etcetera, etcetera, etcetera

Not to mention he's very small for a HW nowadays, what decade does he think this is? The 60's and 70's?

Seriously.....what the hell are some people seeing in him that I'm not?
Cause I see nuthin special at all!! :twisted::twisted:

Yeah, because everyone KO's Chris Byrd right?

[RUSKULL]

Povetkin has a great workrate with nice combos and great couterpunching ability. He also has a pretty big punch and he's shown he can take a pretty big punch.

Those traits give him a good shot against any current Heavy with the exception of Wladimir.

[emanuel_augustus]

I just like his hair.

[AJAX]

he gave Chris Bryd a good beating...that's no easy accomplishmnet

[Goose]

he has accomplished alot in the ameteur ranks, not just the olympics
he must be doing something right in the ring

[brooklyn1550]

Povetkin is a solid fighter

Excellent workrate, excellent combinations, excellent speed, very good swarming skills, nice timing, and he knows how to break guys down despite his lack of big punching power.

He has a great future in the division, although he will lose to Klitschko if they fight next year.

[boxingcar]

Povetkin has a great workrate with nice combos and great couterpunching ability. He also has a pretty big punch and he's shown he can take a pretty big punch.

Those traits give him a good shot against any current Heavy with the exception of Wladimir.

Agreed...Only i also believe that he's got what it takes to beat Wlad.
Not because he's a superior boxer. not because he's got ko power (he certainly doesnt )...

But because of his endurance / workrate / combos... he's got a constant pace...and that's why he keeps winning all his fights...Plus he's got a solid chin. (though i doubt he'll be able to eat many of wlad's monster jabs so he needs to come up with a solid gameplan too )...

maybe Chambers will beat Povetkin...maybe not...
but if he keeps on winning...and doing what he does , he's got a solid chance imo.

[Langford]

How the fuck did he win an Olympic gold medal? Were his opponents tied to a chair or something?
What the fuck was wrong with all the other fighters that year? Did the Russian mob pay them to lose?
How could they let Povetkin win an Olympic gold? Jeeezus!

The guy is so slow and sloppy, he looks like a small step above a club fighter, nothing more. He's wild, lacks accuarcy, average speed and power, and this guy is meant to beat Klitschko? :nut Not a great defence, not a great punch variety.......plodding, poor movement.....etcetera, etcetera, etcetera

Not to mention he's very small for a HW nowadays, what decade does he think this is? The 60's and 70's?

Seriously.....what the hell are some people seeing in him that I'm not?
Cause I see nuthin special at all!! :twisted::twisted:



:pukke

[Ambition_Def]

More there than meets the eye.

Sure he doesn't hit as hard as Klitschk or Peter.

Sure he doesn't have Klitschko's reach.

Sure he doesn't have Chris Byrd's blinding speed.

But he does have - Confidence, Patience, Composure.

And those three there are what champions are made of. Not Speed, not power, not size.

I pick him to beat Waldo in somewhat of an upset should they meet up in 2008.

[Secret Rival]

I just like his hair.

:lol:

[KobeIsGod]

More there than meets the eye.

Sure he doesn't hit as hard as Klitschk or Peter.

Sure he doesn't have Klitschko's reach.

Sure he doesn't have Chris Byrd's blinding speed.

But he does have - Confidence, Patience, Composure.

And those three there are what champions are made of. Not Speed, not power, not size.

I pick him to beat Waldo in somewhat of an upset should they meet up in 2008.

When is last time u picked WALDO to win period? :lol:

How u can say he is going to win is beyond me. His chin is totally unproven against a good puncher let alone WALDO. Now if he has the cast iron chin, we could see a great fight.

[Punisher33]

Povetkin does seem to be a little overrated on ESB, but to his credit he done so much, in so little amount of fights. I think his win over Bryd was pretty good, but Bryd is not exactly much anymore, and if the Bryd of 02 vs Povetkin now, my money would of been Bryd without hesitation.

I think Povetkin will probably beat Chambers, but far from a given, considering Chambers blazing hand speed. If Povetkin does in fact fight Wlad Im giving it a 75/25 for Wlad, Povetkin is way too green and Wlad is way too seasoned and powerful.

[Bigcat]

Povetkin looked ordinary to me too..

Then i skipped off to Manheim with Friday Ahunanya, Friday has never really been hurt properly by any opponent as an Amateur or pro and has never been dropped.. That night after round 3 Friday came back to the corner breating like a truck and his nose running with blood.. He looked at me and i said "You alright man?" Friday said he is just catching me from strange angles..

Thats the point.. He does a lot of stuff you don't see, he is effective and takes risks to be succesful and has a very solid chin and a massive work ethic.. Povetkin is the real deal.. I was and am converted..

[OklahomaHoss]

How the fuck did he win an Olympic gold medal? Were his opponents tied to a chair or something?
What the fuck was wrong with all the other fighters that year? Did the Russian mob pay them to lose?
How could they let Povetkin win an Olympic gold? Jeeezus!

The guy is so slow and sloppy, he looks like a small step above a club fighter, nothing more. He's wild, lacks accuarcy, average speed and power, and this guy is meant to beat Klitschko? :nut Not a great defence, not a great punch variety.......plodding, poor movement.....etcetera, etcetera, etcetera

Not to mention he's very small for a HW nowadays, what decade does he think this is? The 60's and 70's?

Seriously.....what the hell are some people seeing in him that I'm not?
Cause I see nuthin special at all!! :twisted::twisted:



Take a shot from him before you say that.

[Ambition_Def]

When is last time u picked WALDO to win period? :lol:

How u can say he is going to win is beyond me. His chin is totally unproven against a good puncher let alone WALDO. Now if he has the cast iron chin, we could see a great fight.

I'll be honest. I really wanted to go with Byrd in the rematch. As well as Brewster, but I didn't see it happening.

I also don't see Ibragimov winning, if that's any consolation.

But I like Povetkin's chances because as Bigcat pointed out, he's a smart fighter. He's gonna study rounds on Waldo, find the best way in and work hard, every round to make a dent in the big man. And that's something not a lot of guys attempt to do. Or if they did, they were just physically inferior.

Just about every guy Waldo has faced has either lacked serious experience, or serious physical ability. Povetkin has both of those qualities so we'll see. Even though he only has a few professional fights, he's the guy to beat right now for the champ.

[pudding]

Povetkin despite his many flaws Povetkin comes to fight. In a division filled with sluggards, this is a winning style. Once he learns about lateral movement he will be ready to beat Klitschko.

[inchpunch]

Seems like someone confused boxing with figure skating once again...it doesn't mean anything what it looks like in the ring, no points for pretty in this sport. I remember before Vitali Klitschko - Herbie Hide how so many were sure Hide would blast Vitali because he was sooo much faster - well, he may have looked faster and Vitali with his lanky physique will always look slow, but he isn't. Pavlik is another fighter who will never look like the most fluid boxer, but he is brutally effective and more skilled than most people give him credit for. BTW, I just rwatched Holyfield - Bowe 1 and on could easily say it was a terrible fight as far as skill is concerned, just two guys standing toe to toe trading hooks as if they don't know how to throw a straight punch.

Who cares what Povetkin looks like? So far, he is getting the job done quite well. But he will never beat Wlad unless Wlad has a meltdown.

[TheGrimReaper]

he'll make eddie chambers look like chris koval

[emanuel_augustus]

he'll make eddie chambers look like chris koval

Does Chris Koval make Josh Cobb look like Josh Cobb?

[joe33]

If he dont rate povetkin,who pray tell else is there coming up to rate?,that cuban guy maybe solis?,pov for me looks great and will do some damage.

[Feiti]

Povetkin only has 14 fights and he has already beaten both Chris Byrd and Larry Donald decisively. That is immensively impressive, no matter how you look at it. I don´t think Povetkin is ready to fight Wlad anytime soon, but I think he should be able to sweep through fighters like Rahman, Ruiz, McCline, Arreola, Chambers, Austin, Liakhovich, Brewster and probably within a few fights, Chagaev, Maskaev, Ibragimov, Peter and Valuev.

[JAM Killer]

he gave Chris Bryd a good beating...that's no easy accomplishmnet

At this stage in Byrd's career, it isn't exactly a hero feat either.

[huki]

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This doesn't look like the face and hairstyle of a future undisputed champion to some of you guys? :D

Wlad is very beatable when he's matched up against the type of fighter that troubles him the most. That fighter is a technical swarmer with great stamina and a great chin who throws a nice variety of punches in combinations nonstop with accuracy, good power, and fast hands. If Klitschko doesn't get caught badly and stopped in the early-mid rounds, he will be frustrated/tired after Povetkin takes his best punches and Wlad's stamina issue will once again be exposed. Povetkin will stop him, more likely late than early, but he will stop him. It has all the makings of a great competitive fight. I'm not just saying this because I'm a huge Povetkin fan and have followed him since very early on in his career. I really believe Wlad can't handle him for 12 rounds and I'm very confident in Povetkin's ability to take Wlad's right hands. My only big worry is Povetkin getting seriously cut up right over the eyes or something very unlucky like that. He is green as a pro fighter, but Klitschko is a bit overrated right now and very beatable.

I just hope when Wlad gets stopped he doesn't retire. He can pretty much annihilate the rest of the HW division and create a legacy for himself. If he retires after losing to Povetkin he will be known as a fighter who got knocked out 4 times and never had a great win, even though he is extremely dangerous to many great fighters throughout history (especially ones with vulnerable chins or weak power).

[Boxer-puncher]

Although Im a fan of Wlad, I was disinterested in the HW division, but that was until Alexander Povetkin came along. Im very high on Povetkin and I think he could go far in this inconsistant HW division. I'd favor him over everybody besides Wlad and Sergei.

[jisi]

...he will be frustrated/tired after Povetkin takes his best punches and Wlad's stamina issue will once again be exposed. Povetkin will stop him, more likely late than early, but he will stop him. It has all the makings of a great competitive fight.

Povetkin never fight against a big puncher like Wlad. He will not be able to take the punishment. And his stamina is not very good, he was tired against an old Larry Donald and cut against Byrd.

[huki]

Povetkin never fight against a big puncher like Wlad. He will not be able to take the punishment. And his stamina is not very good, he was tired against an old Larry Donald and cut against Byrd.
:lol: You only post in threads about Wlad and you've said a few times before that he is a better fighter than Tyson. If you pick Wlad over Tyson then you're a nuthugger. I don't want to argue with a blind Wlad nuthugger, but here we go.

His stamina is not very good? Can you at least agree it's better than Wlad's? Wlad has shown time and time again at every point of his career that he is mentally weak and has big issues with stamina. How do you know Povetkin can't take the punishment? Obviously I can't logiically argue that his chin is titanium right now and the fight will show us the truth, but every sign points to him having an iron chin. It's really difficult for me to argue with everyone about my Wlad-Povetkin theory because I'm saying Povetkin's chin is iron as if it's a fact. So, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. It pisses me off a little bit that people are giving Povetkin no chance in this fight, even though he is clearly a threat to Wlad and we all know that Wlad is a vulnerable champion with a weak chin and bad stamina. Wlad has not beaten anybody like Povetkin yet in his entire career, Peter/Brock/Old Brewster/Austin/Byrd are not even close to as dangerous as he is.. again, we'll see what happens.

[Ilesey]

Povetkin has a great workrate with nice combos and great couterpunching ability. He also has a pretty big punch and he's shown he can take a pretty big punch.

Those traits give him a good shot against any current Heavy with the exception of Wladimir.

That just about sums up what I think about Povetkin.

[RUSKULL]

Povetkin looked ordinary to me too..

Then i skipped off to Manheim with Friday Ahunanya, Friday has never really been hurt properly by any opponent as an Amateur or pro and has never been dropped.. That night after round 3 Friday came back to the corner breating like a truck and his nose running with blood.. He looked at me and i said "You alright man?" Friday said he is just catching me from strange angles..

Thats the point.. He does a lot of stuff you don't see, he is effective and takes risks to be succesful and has a very solid chin and a massive work ethic.. Povetkin is the real deal.. I was and am converted..

That's what I'm talking about, it's the little things & Povetkin has a lot of them.................................

[pudding]

Seems like someone confused boxing with figure skating once again...it doesn't mean anything what it looks like in the ring, no points for pretty in this sport. I remember before Vitali Klitschko - Herbie Hide how so many were sure Hide would blast Vitali because he was sooo much faster - well, he may have looked faster and Vitali with his lanky physique will always look slow, but he isn't. Pavlik is another fighter who will never look like the most fluid boxer, but he is brutally effective and more skilled than most people give him credit for. BTW, I just rwatched Holyfield - Bowe 1 and on could easily say it was a terrible fight as far as skill is concerned, just two guys standing toe to toe trading hooks as if they don't know how to throw a straight punch.

Who cares what Povetkin looks like? So far, he is getting the job done quite well. But he will never beat Wlad unless Wlad has a meltdown.



Herbie Hide was a stand-up boxer who had numerous technical flaws in his style. Fighting tall against a taller man is not an easy thing to do, especially when you have a leaky defense. Hide also had no noticable strategy to deal with Vitali Klitschko's size advantage. Speed is useless unless you find a way of using it. VK is wide open to a counterpuncher, but for some reason Hide couldn't see it. My guess is he was afraid of Klitschko and thus performed rather poorly.

Yes, Wladimir unlike his brother is prone to meltdowns. All Povetkin has to do to provoke the meltdown is give him something to worry about. Learning to move his head will be a good start.

[reebok4]

How the fuck did he win an Olympic gold medal? Were his opponents tied to a chair or something?
What the fuck was wrong with all the other fighters that year? Did the Russian mob pay them to lose?
How could they let Povetkin win an Olympic gold? Jeeezus!

The guy is so slow and sloppy, he looks like a small step above a club fighter, nothing more. He's wild, lacks accuarcy, average speed and power, and this guy is meant to beat Klitschko? :nut Not a great defence, not a great punch variety.......plodding, poor movement.....etcetera, etcetera, etcetera

Not to mention he's very small for a HW nowadays, what decade does he think this is? The 60's and 70's?

Seriously.....what the hell are some people seeing in him that I'm not?
Cause I see nuthin special at all!! :twisted::twisted:

Doh... Cry me a fucking river...

[Bobby]

im pretty sure "super" Brian Neilsen won a medal at gthe olympics, amazing, ive only seen the tyson fight, he was very very tough, but could not fight at all

[Dostoevsky]

Yup...

[petrozza]

:lol: You only post in threads about Wlad and you've said a few times before that he is a better fighter than Tyson. If you pick Wlad over Tyson then you're a nuthugger. I don't want to argue with a blind Wlad nuthugger, but here we go.

His stamina is not very good? Can you at least agree it's better than Wlad's? Wlad has shown time and time again at every point of his career that he is mentally weak and has big issues with stamina. How do you know Povetkin can't take the punishment? Obviously I can't logiically argue that his chin is titanium right now and the fight will show us the truth, but every sign points to him having an iron chin. It's really difficult for me to argue with everyone about my Wlad-Povetkin theory because I'm saying Povetkin's chin is iron as if it's a fact. So, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. It pisses me off a little bit that people are giving Povetkin no chance in this fight, even though he is clearly a threat to Wlad and we all know that Wlad is a vulnerable champion with a weak chin and bad stamina. Wlad has not beaten anybody like Povetkin yet in his entire career, Peter/Brock/Old Brewster/Austin/Byrd are not even close to as dangerous as he is.. again, we'll see what happens.

after today's fight against Chambers... one word... EXPOSED!!!

Povetkin is nothing special... end of story. If he fights Klitschko, he will be KTFOed!

[Symphenyceo]

nothing special

[Bummy Davis]

He has a solid workrate but if Chambers was firing back like he did in the 1st 3 rds, then we would see if he can take it, but Eddie closed shop and hid behind his mitts for the most part. Vlads right hands are much different than Eddies but if this kid somehow survives them and is still punching he may be able to turn the tide on Vlad a lot quicker than Chambers ( who went into the survive mode) but Alex needs work and in the ring work, let him fight the winner of Peter/Maskaev or Chagaev/Thompson, still I give him credit for beating a 30-0 fighter but he needs ringwork

[petrozza]

...

[huki]

I still favor Povetkin over every HW. I have very little doubt that he beats Ibragimov, Chagaev, and Peter. Beating Wlad is not a guarantee, but I still favor him to KO Wlad late. As long as Povetkin can take Wlad's big right hands during the early-mid rounds and take him into deep water, he will win. I think Klitschko's stamina will be exposed again and when it looks like Povetkin is tired as hell and Wlad is too, Povetkin will be the one getting the 2nd wind and the 3rd wind, which will lead Klitschko into a situation he cannot physically or mentally handle.

Povetkin looked disappointing during the first 5 rounds today. Real disappointing. I was surprised a little bit with how good Chambers looked, but I was more surprised with how off Povetkin looked. He seemed slower (footspeed and handspeed) and he didn't have his usual pop on his punches. He also seemed a little less relaxed than usual and not as focused.

Yes, Povetkin isn't the new Tyson or anything close to it. But Wlad isn't Larry Holmes either. The division is weak and I still think Povetkin could beat everybody in it. Klitschko is the only elite heavy right now, but Povetkin has what it takes to beat him, even though he's not as skilled. His insane punch output, solid skills, great stamina/chin, and incredible mental toughness will be enough to wear down and beat Wlad.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Chambers was the faster man with the hands, and much faster than a fast handed Povetkin. Povetkin adjusted....taking a step back. And Chambers was better than I expected.
I'd said Povettkin has flaws, and can be hit, and don't got a Hammer from Hell punch.
He does have good grinding power, and a high work rate. Against a non shell boxer he shows good classic combinations.
Chambers will learn from this like Povetkin. Chambers will have to learn lateral movement, to be dangerous...
Sometimes the other fighter just don't let you do what you want....Chambers did not let Povetkin do his thing, and Chamber's thing got worn down.

[avk47]

If you're surprised why Povetkin was such a great amateur - not only olympic champion, but also world, european and multitime Russian champion, then you must know fuck all about boxing.