Bowe - Golota: Who would have won the two fights if the Pole wasn't a dumbass? [Archive]

Jose FM

07-05-2007, 01:41 PM

Golota both times, everytime i see the fights Bowe just looks spent by the end of the fights, and actually the second should have been stopped by like the 8th because of all the punishment Bowe was receiving. I think that beating combined with the Holyfield wars seriously messing him up, and made him the way he is today, he should seriously hang dem up!

JETSKI

07-05-2007, 01:43 PM

The second one, definately?

Golota won the 2nd fight, also. Bowe was starting to do better near the end, landing a few big shots, but AG knocked Bowe down twice (only one KD for Bowe, thanks to rabbit punching) & Golota had more power shots land & outboxed the crap outta him. Andrew had to be ahead on all cards when the DQ occured.

JETSKI

07-05-2007, 01:47 PM

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Just did a test. The system censored the word "o u t - b o x e d"! Whats up with that???

Thread Stealer

07-05-2007, 01:51 PM

Golota would've won, but he's a headcase.

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Just did a test. The system censored the word "o u t - b o x e d"! Whats up with that???

I think it's another boxing website.

Ramon Rojo

07-05-2007, 02:16 PM

Bowe both times. Hitting Bowe in the nuts was desperation because he punched him self out and couldn´t knock out Bowe.

maciek4

07-05-2007, 02:24 PM

Bowe both times. Hitting Bowe in the nuts was desperation because he punched him self out and couldn´t knock out Bowe.

No Golota was still ok, he had no problems throwing punches at Bowe's cornermen after the first fight. He did it because thats how he reacts to being fauled, he wants to faul back. Bowe kept him hiting behiond the head so Golota wanted to retaliate for this.

Thread Stealer

07-05-2007, 02:27 PM

No Golota was still ok, he had no problems throwing punches at Bowe's cornermen after the first fight. He did it because thats how he reacts to being fauled, he wants to faul back. Bowe kept him hiting behiond the head so Golota wanted to retaliate for this.

Golota also bit Po'uha when he got staggered, blatantly head-butted Nicholson, hit Nicholson low many times, and blatantly head-butted Bowe when he had Bowe in serious trouble.

The guy is just a headcase. A skilled fighter, but a headcase.

oblate

07-05-2007, 03:04 PM

Bowe both times. Hitting Bowe in the nuts was desperation because he punched him self out and couldn´t knock out Bowe.
no way. he was able to finish 12 round fights with byrd and ruiz as an old guy. he was in the best shape he can be in those times. He would've won those two. It's a damn shame.

Danny Ocean

07-05-2007, 03:05 PM

i hate golota

but he wudda won

07-05-2007, 03:08 PM

Rumsfeld

07-05-2007, 03:19 PM

Golota was well ahead on the cards in both fights. The second bout, he'd have definately won. He needed only last another 3:09 and victory would have been his.

The first fight's a tougher call. His lead may have actually been a bit bigger on the cards, but he was DQ'd in the 7th round of that fight, and it was a 12-rounder, not a 10.

Golota may have tired too much....not sure.

Bazooka

07-05-2007, 03:20 PM

C.J.Rock

07-05-2007, 03:25 PM

Golota was kickin Bowes butt both times

PolishPummler

07-05-2007, 03:26 PM

Golota may have just saved Bowe's life by fouling out twice.

Can you imagine 5 more rounds of that type of WAR.Golota may have ended up how Bowe is now and Bowe could have died because it looked like Cotton wasnt going to stop despite Bowe not having his legs for nearly the entire second fight and half of the first.

Sometimes having a granite chin and a lion's heart can be a bad thing as in Bowe's case.He could have easily been another McLellan.

Rumsfeld

07-05-2007, 03:31 PM

Golota may have just saved Bowe's life by fouling out twice.

Can you imagine 5 more rounds of that type of WAR.

Golota was DQ'd in the 9th of a 10 rounder in the second bout. That was the one where Bowe sustained a long and brutal beating.

That Eddie Cotton or Bowe's corner didn't stop the fight was a DISGRACE. They would never let a fighter take that type of beating today.

Thread Stealer

07-05-2007, 03:45 PM

He would have almost certainly won the second fight I'm sure. That was pretty one-sided.

The first fight was closer and we can't know what would have happened. Of course Golota was performing better than Bowe in that one as well, but it was not quite as inevitable as the second bout.

Actually I thought Golota was more dominating the first time around. Certainly, Bowe took a more brutal physical beating the 2nd time around, but Bowe actually had some success in the 2nd fight, winning the 3rd round, dropping and hurting Golota in round 4. In the first fight, I'm not sure if I gave Bowe a single round (what was Lederman watching?).

JETSKI

07-05-2007, 03:54 PM

No Golota was still ok, he had no problems throwing punches at Bowe's cornermen after the first fight. He did it because thats how he reacts to being fauled, he wants to faul back. Bowe kept him hiting behiond the head so Golota wanted to retaliate for this.

Absolutely correct. Golota's attitude is if you foul me, I'll foul you back. He feels that the ref will ignore his opponents infractions, but get on AG's case for his. Watch after the first KD in the 2nd fight. When Golota has him up against the ropes & they're close, Bowe seems to try a minor headbutt & AG comes back with his own, IMMEDIATELY! Cotton stopped the action right then & there to warn Golota.

Water under the bridge...:-(

slugfest

07-05-2007, 04:13 PM

Golota would have won both fights if you look at it logically??? But we are dealing with Golota here!!! Golota outboxed and outslugged 2 different versions of the same Riddick Bowe that just 6 months earlier, KOed Evander Holyfield! That is saying a lot! Too bad Golota was a mentalcase, he was a great fighter, a terrible waste of talent!

PolishPummler

07-05-2007, 04:16 PM

Golota was DQ'd in the 9th of a 10 rounder in the second bout. That was the one where Bowe sustained a long and brutal beating.

That Eddie Cotton or Bowe's corner didn't stop the fight was a DISGRACE. They would never let a fighter take that type of beating today.

Just hypothetical if both fights would have went the distance.Bowe took a beating in the first fight and there was still 5+ rounds to go.

PrideOfWales

07-05-2007, 04:25 PM

Would you like to see Bowe-Golota III?

PolishPummler

07-05-2007, 04:26 PM

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No.

DoumB

07-05-2007, 05:44 PM

golota both times, watcjing those 2 fights pisses me off so bad.

RUSKULL

07-05-2007, 06:45 PM

I'm positive Golota would've won both fights. At the point each fight was stopped on a DQ Andrew could've just coasted to a UD victory. I believe Golota was frustrated that he couldn't knock Bowe out so he hit him low on purpose. It seems no one told Andrew that he can win on points............................idiot.

RUSKULL

07-05-2007, 06:47 PM

Everybody knows it would have been Golota this is a pointless thread really, if anybody thinks other wise they are just crazy.
What the real question about their two fights should be is why Didnt Eddie Cotton stop the fight in the 2nd fight after Bowe went down early and took a beating for the rest of the round? Golota landed 70 plus shots in that round I have seen refs stop fights for less.

Probably because Bowe was the champion and he wanted to give Riddick the benefit of the doubt. I think if Golota was defending his title Eddie would've stopped the fight right there.

Thread Stealer

07-05-2007, 06:58 PM

Probably because Bowe was the champion and he wanted to give Riddick the benefit of the doubt. I think if Golota was defending his title Eddie would've stopped the fight right there.

It was a non-title bout.

RUSKULL

07-05-2007, 07:00 PM

It was a non-title bout.

Oops.
I stand corrected. :nut

Hoax976

07-05-2007, 09:18 PM

Absolutely correct. Golota's attitude is if you foul me, I'll foul you back. He feels that the ref will ignore his opponents infractions, but get on AG's case for his. Watch after the first KD in the 2nd fight. When Golota has him up against the ropes & they're close, Bowe seems to try a minor headbutt & AG comes back with his own, IMMEDIATELY! Cotton stopped the action right then & there to warn Golota.

Water under the bridge...:-(

Gotta disagree with ya on this Jets. In nearly all of Golota's most notorious fouls (Pouha bite, Nicholson headbutt, Bowe low-blows, Bowe headbutt), his opponent did nothing to warrant any kind of retaliation. Maybe in Golota's MIND his opponents were "cheating", but reality proves other wise. For example, in the second round of Bowe-Golota 2, Golota was pummeling Bowe against the ropes and in all the chaos their heads slightly came together, and maybe Golota THOUGHT Bowe did it on purpose so he intentionally headbutt him. Golota is, or was IMO just a very dirty street fighter who brought his dirty tactics into the ring when things got tough, OR for no reason at all.

This was the young and wild, much more aggressive version of Golota. Now he's much more clean and mature. Although I'm sure he still has a few screws loose.

JETSKI

07-05-2007, 09:27 PM

Gotta disagree with ya on this Jets. In nearly all of Golota's most notorious fouls (Pouha bite, Nicholson headbutt, Bowe low-blows, Bowe headbutt), his opponent did nothing to warrant any kind of retaliation. Maybe in Golota's MIND his opponents were "cheating", but reality proves other wise. For example, in the second round of Bowe-Golota 2, Golota was pummeling Bowe against the ropes and in all the chaos their heads slightly came together, and maybe Golota THOUGHT Bowe did it on purpose so he intentionally headbutt him. Golota is, or was IMO just a very dirty street fighter who brought his dirty tactics into the ring when things got tough, OR for no reason at all.

This was the young and wild, much more aggressive version of Golota. Now he's much more clean and mature. Although I'm sure he still has a few screws loose.

Your right. I must be as whacky as Andy. But his pre-occupation with going off with his opponents percieved "fouling" just further justifies his mental weakness in there. His reasoning should be not to worry about what the other guys is doing, just concentrate on doing his job & come away with the win...be positive.

Hoax976

07-05-2007, 09:35 PM

Your right. I must be as whacky as Andy. But his pre-occupation with going off with his opponents percieved "fouling" just further justifies his mental weakness in there. His reasoning should be not to worry about what the other guys is doing, just concentrate on doing his job & come away with the win...be positive.

I think all of the Golota faithful must be a tad wacky to support him for as long as we have.:nut

andyZOR

07-05-2007, 10:01 PM

Golota both times. But who cares? Never happened.

Hoax976

07-05-2007, 10:26 PM

Funny thing about the Bowe-Golota battles, Bowe was an even bigger bully than Golota back then. He sucker punched Larry Donald at a press conference (great timing, Donald's mother had just passed away:-( ), his manager Rock Newman and he beat up Elijah Tillery, and he was always talkin' smack. He called Lewis trash and threw his belt in the garbage for Lewis to fish out. He was known for rabbit punching and fouling his opponents. He always surrounded himself with an entourage of thugs and hooligans who caused trouble. Before the first fight, he said Golota was nothing but a bum. He was very cocky up until the first fight was over, which left Bowe schooled, battered and moaning on the floor grabbing his crotch. Even during the first fight, Bowe was doing a lot of rabbit punching, and he even pushed Golota after the 5th round after Golota gave him a severe beating. Golota responded to the shove with a kiss:smooch. Golota beat the shit out of Bowe and certainly had him humbled by the time of the rematch. Golota beat the shit out of Bowe even more and fouled him even more than the first and retired Bowe from the sport of boxing. I'd say Big Daddy got what was comin' to him ten fold.

:smoke

ajohnfp

07-05-2007, 10:30 PM

I'm sorry, I don't get it. The Pole... not being a dumbass? Isn't that an oxymoron?

kaptnK

07-05-2007, 10:53 PM

I'm sorry, I don't get it. The Pole... not being a dumbass? Isn't that an oxymoron?

Don't spend too much time thinking about it. It's prob. too much for you to comprehend.

If you find yourself lost and stuck starring blankly into the monitor still thinking about it, heres what you do; Inhale deeply (dont forget to exhale when you need feel the need), and move the mouse pointer to the top right hand corner of your monitor (you do this by rubbing your mouse over a smooth surface) and click the "X".:tired

asshat

Bazooka

07-05-2007, 11:36 PM

Oops.
I stand corrected. :nut No you dont it really was for the WBO title I think :huh

chrisroxthem

07-05-2007, 11:43 PM

WHAT

i dunno about the first time since i havent seen it but i saw a replay of fight two and golota knocked the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck out of him! besides one knock down in the third ffrom bowe it was all golota i mean alllll golota he was destroying him. the announcers were talking about never wanting to see bowe fight again cuz he was taking so much damage and they were wondering why the refs weren't stopping the fight. bowe was stumbling around the ring the whole fight pretty much