barry mcguigan article on RJJ

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gOTTO AGREE WITH HIM :good

[fidds]

:rofl :rofl

Most of Its true but i got a feeling he has no time for jones at all :good

[KDot10]

Well it's pretty obvious this guy dis-likes Jones.

Doesn't show the true facts, either. Guys stupid

[simonsingh]

What a turd - the guy isn't worthy HoF like these 2 Champions.

[greengloves]

are you fucking serious, barry mcguigan is a fucking hero,so much so my parents felt it appropriate to name me after him.

everyhting he says is true and who can disagree this fight is bad for boxing,its for the nostalgics who should be watching masters series' rather than championship boxing.long hail the champions of today and let us remember the champions of yesterday as what they are ... history.

[Fab2333]

please, How is this figt bad for boxing is what I would like to know. The fight will be more exciting the Mayweather vs DLH I can tell you that. That was overhyped and people watched that, if anything that fight was bad for boxing.
Personally I dont think aby fight is bad for boxing, I am going to see it, its a fight so ima watch it regardless of whos in there doing battle. I just love the psort period

[pit]

Barry is talking all that shit about Jones but who did he beat in his 32 fight career :huh

[ThePlugInBabies]

i'm sorry i didn't realise you needed to have an ATG resume before you started rightly or wrongly criticizing other fighters. might as well close this forum down now.

[Fab2333]

i'm sorry i didn't realise you needed to have an ATG resume before you started rightly or wrongly criticizing other fighters. might as well close this forum down now.
I do thats like the dude at the end of the bench talking trash about the star player while hes out there dropping 50points.
He dont have the right to discredit any1, b/c he didnt do nothin himself.

[ThePlugInBabies]

I do thats like the dude at the end of the bench talking trash about the star player while hes out there dropping 50points.
He dont have the right to discredit any1, b/c he didnt do nothin himself.

if that's how you feel then i suggest you stop posting on this forum.

[pit]

I do thats like the dude at the end of the bench talking trash about the star player while hes out there dropping 50points.
He dont have the right to discredit any1, b/c he didnt do nothin himself.

Im really Rjj cleans out the Lt Heavy weight devision before he moves to Heavy and all of the sudden he a bum ?!?!

Why cause he didn't fight Michalczewski??!!

[Fab2333]

if that's how you feel then i suggest you stop posting on this forum.not at all
I wont call a fighter a BUM, b/c anyman that has the heart to step in a ring an dput there life on the line isnt a bum. But wat i will say is this person probably cannot beat that person due to the fact of attributes or wat have you. Theres a difference between that and saying hes a bum, and look who its coming form. If SRR said something like that, it can b justified b/c he is the greatest. But Barry isnt on the same level as RJ so he doesnt have enough strength 2 make a statement like that

[ThePlugInBabies]

not at all
I wont call a fighter a BUM, b/c anyman that has the heart to step in a ring an dput there life on the line isnt a bum. But wat i will say is this person probably cannot beat that person due to the fact of attributes or wat have you. Theres a difference between that and saying hes a bum, and look who its coming form. If SRR said something like that, it can b justified b/c he is the greatest. But Barry isnt on the same level as RJ so he doesnt have enough strength 2 make a statement like that

where in that article did he call RJJ a bum?

he was simply ragging on RJJ's resume. now rightly or wrongly, he is not the first person to do it and he has every right to voice his opinion, just like people do each and every single day on this forum.

[ardy]

I do thats like the dude at the end of the bench talking trash about the star player while hes out there dropping 50points.
He dont have the right to discredit any1, b/c he didnt do nothin himself.

McGuigan was the Featherweight champion of the world. The Ring Magazines number 1 fighter of the year 1985,and is a HAFer. Not bad mate.

[greengloves]

McGuigan was the Featherweight champion of the world. The Ring Magazines number 1 fighter of the year 1985,and is a HAFer. Not bad mate.

exactly,nothing he says about rjj is false and why should a fight with two has beens be top of the boxing agenda,if we adopted this attitude more often we would be building every holyfield fight with extrovert exuberance
barry mcguigan is one of the best featherweights of all time and to win a world championship in that era most certainly deserves my respect.
fucking rjj bum rushing wankers.

[Snakefist]

Horrible article.

[Snakefist]

exactly,nothing he says about rjj is false and why should a fight with two has beens be top of the boxing agenda,if we adopted this attitude more often we would be building every holyfield fight with extrovert exuberance
barry mcguigan is one of the best featherweights of all time and to win a world championship in that era most certainly deserves my respect.
fucking rjj bum rushing wankers.

Actually many of things he said weren't false, but he of course attempted to paint Roy's victory a prime James Toney who was a P4P best at that time as nothing special, as if anyone could've beat James like he did. Then he goes on the mention Johnson, who had epic battles with Clinton Woods, someone who Roy beat and broke down in a fight that occurred when he was closer to his prime. What about all the good SMW's he fought, what about the good LHW's he fought?

The great error in his reasoning is that every fight that didn't happen he blame's on rjj for some reason, as if he hasn't noticed that Eubanks clearly has said he didn't take the rjj fight because he felt he would lose (but it would be a contested loss). HBO offered many of those fighters big purses, but they either declined or it never came off. It is never about one individual. Bt the guys who Roy fought were good fighters, some champions in their class. And since I am not going to mention everyone, this guys opinions obvious shows his dislike for Roy. The only really truthful thing he said was that Roy and Trinidad are a bunch of has beens and this fight is pathetic, it should've happened in 2002, but Trinidad got completely schooled and raped by B-Hop.

[Snakefist]

Yeah but criticising boxers on a forum isn't the same as criticising them publicly in a newspaper, plus McGuigan was a boxer and works as a commentator so he should know better than to slam a great boxer like that.

Look at Roy's resume and see that it is actually a pretty damn good one. One who disagrees is obviously just a hater from the start. Could it have been better? Yes. Is it Roy's fault why it wasn't? In many cases no.

IMO Roy coul've been bigger then he was, which is something really amazing considering the competition that e DID fight which was GOOD and his popularity, if he had a promoter like Bob Arum. Where HBO can offer some good deals to fight Jones, most of those English fighters at the time didn't take it. A good promoter would've found someway for those fights to happen.

[Dantes]

I agree with Barry. Jones Jr and Tito are doing nothing for their legacy's by continuing to fight when they are well past their best. this fight has no interest for me whatever the outcome.

The only upside is that if Tito can manage to pull off a win (doubt it) you can get somewhere in the vicinity of $4.00 to back him :good

[jc]

I agree with him that jones - Tito is nothing more than a hyped up joke.

But Jones has a fantastic CV, he beat Hopkins at middleweight, defended his 168 title 6 times, beating James Toney who was considered p2p no.1 at the time, its not jones' fault James likes his pie.

Also look at the number of 'ordinary contenders' that went on to win world title later on. 2 of RJJs victims currently hold version of the light heavyweight championship. And yes Ruiz was ordinary but he didnt have to fight a heavyweight at all!

[Toopretty]

The guy is a british bitch. Like all british bitches they talk shit and make excuses for "THERE" guy. The only guy to come here and make a dent was Lennox and he is from Canada originally :rofl

[ThePlugInBabies]

The guy is a british bitch. Like all british bitches they talk shit and make excuses for "THERE" guy. The only guy to come here and make a dent was Lennox and he is from Canada originally :rofl

fuck, didn't realise that london relocated to canada in 1965. thanks for updating me!!!! :good

you'd also do well to realise that mcguigan was born in ireland, not the UK. but apart from that, your post was spot on!!!!

[jc]

The guy is a british bitch. Like all british bitches they talk shit and make excuses for "THERE" guy. The only guy to come here and make a dent was Lennox and he is from Canada originally :rofl

Dont insult OUR intelligent language by saying things so dumb...

[ardy]

The guy is a british bitch. Like all british bitches they talk shit and make excuses for "THERE" guy. The only guy to come here and make a dent was Lennox and he is from Canada originally :rofl

McGuigan is Irish, but Calzaghe who is British is coming over to KO Hopkins. Lewis was born in London England.

[joe33]

How the fuck can people on here call a former champion a bum,and say he has no right to say what he said,and then think there opinions are better then his,when no one here is im guessing a former world champ hehe,guys got far more right to talk shit then most,he was a great fighter,also he said this early in that article

"Jones and Trinidad are future Hall of Famers, no doubt." So get your facts right first,he is kind of right id say,though its up to them at the end of the day who they fight,seems bloody pointless though,surley most agree with that bit?

[joe33]

The guy is a british bitch. Like all british bitches they talk shit and make excuses for "THERE" guy. The only guy to come here and make a dent was Lennox and he is from Canada originally :rofl

Fucking hell you do realise hes fucking irish?,or are you really that dense? Eh and again get your facts right before posting,because lennox was born in london,west ham.Now you have made a tool of yourself best you run along now and call someone a racist ain it?,seems thats what your really good at doing.

[iceman]

McGuigan is Irish, but Calzaghe who is British is coming over to KO Hopkins. Lewis was born in London England.

Didn't wee barry change his nationality to fight for a british title?

[BeReal]

Vargas/Mayorga had no "meaning" or "relevance" but it was a good fight to watch. Jones and Trinidad both know they are at the end of their careers, why not grab a payday to ride off with, they have BOTH done a lot for the sport and have earned it.

[jc]

Didn't wee barry change his nationality to fight for a british title?

he was captain of the British team when the contender series cam to the UK aswel. He's still Irish though...

[jc]

Vargas/Mayorga had no "meaning" or "relevance" but it was a good fight to watch. Jones and Trinidad both know they are at the end of their careers, why not grab a payday to ride off with, they have BOTH done a lot for the sport and have earned it.

True but Mayorga and Vargas were both around the same weight divisions at their peak, RJJ has won a heavyweight title and Tito has wona welterweight world title... Also RJJ and Tito are considered a lot higher in terms of greatness than both Vargas and Mayorga. Vargas - Mayorga didnt look like a mismatch either...

[MasterCalzaghe]

I half understand his POV, Jones has always cherry picked but he also carried with him immense talent at a time.

[jc]

The only guys he didnt really face was DM, Eubank, Collins and Benn. DM wouldnt leave Germany and RJJ shouldnt be expected to travel for him. Eubank had no interest. Benn would have been up for travelling but I think when that fight was at his peak (when Benn beat McClellan) Benn was already in decline and Collins ducked Calzaghe after bowing out aginst the other two Brits.

RJJ has a very underestimated resume.

[kg0208]

I half understand his POV, Jones has always cherry picked but he also carried with him immense talent at a time.

Yes, he cherry picked nearly the entire LHW division, and cherry picked those top 10 SMW's he fought, along with arguably the top fighter in the sport in James Toney. The 18 or so World Champions were just icing on the cherry picked cake.

[jc]

Jones' problem was, nobody was as good as him. He made World class fighters look ordinary like no other boxer before him. The Clinton Woods fights is a perfect example. Woods may have improved since but still RJJ was playing with him.

[MasterCalzaghe]

Yes, he cherry picked nearly the entire LHW division, and cherry picked those top 10 SMW's he fought, along with arguably the top fighter in the sport in James Toney. The 18 or so World Champions were just icing on the cherry picked cake.

I never said he was crap, Jones was a deaver at one time but the Brits, Eubank, Benn, Collins, Waston? Hopkins rematch?

[ThePlugInBabies]

I never said he was crap, Jones was a deaver at one time but the Brits, Eubank, Benn, Collins, Waston? Hopkins rematch?

watson was struggling to walk by the time RJJ broke through.
eubank didn't want it.
benn is a complicated one i can't be arsed going into right now.
collins quite possibly was ducked but who knows. he did call RJJ out but meh.

what we don't need round here is more 'my countries better than yours' posters such as yourself.

[jc]

I never said he was crap, Jones was a deaver at one time but the Brits, Eubank, Benn, Collins, Waston? Hopkins rematch?

Eubank wanted no part of Jones, Benn was sliding, Collins retired, Watson was in a coma and he had already beaten Hopkins once, how many times do you have to beat a guy to get credit for it?

[kg0208]

I never said he was crap, Jones was a deaver at one time but the Brits, Eubank, Benn, Collins, Waston? Hopkins rematch?

I never said you said he was crap.

Eubank CLEARLY says he wouldn't fight Jones. I blame them both for the reports I have encountered. Eubank turned Jones down before Jones won the MW title. Said he wasn't ready and hadn't proved anything. When Jones won the SMW title, he told Eubank he was old and washed up. In the end, both got along well enough. But Eubank did say he never wanted to fight Jones because he thought he would lose.

Benn...according to HBO both he and Collins were offered matches (this after Collins showed up at one of Jones matches and called him out) and he turned them down. Jones said this in a live interview, which HBO confirmed. Interview here.

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Watson. No idea. I know Jones ducked Nunn, but never heard of a Watson fight coming off.

And Hopkins....that was nationally televised. Hopkins asked for parity with a man who already beat him, was P4P #1, the LHW champion, and his belts would have been on the line. Jones offered 60/40, which was fair. There is BS now that people say Hopkins camp claims it was different at the negotiation table and Jones wanted 70/30. But there is no proof of that other than heresay, cuz Jones camp denies it. But we do know on NATIONAL TV, Hopkins turned Jones down.

[MasterCalzaghe]

watson was struggling to walk by the time RJJ broke through.
eubank didn't want it.
benn is a complicated one i can't be arsed going into right now.
collins quite possibly was ducked but who knows. he did call RJJ out but meh.

what we don't need round here is more 'my countries better than yours' posters such as yourself.

Read what I said mate, I said Jones was a deaver - which is slang amazing.

[C Basilio]

Good article except that it still might be an entertaining fight. I don't mind watching two old guys knock each other down in anticipation of a lights out KO.

If the sport had more younger talent and was better marketed we wouldn't have these old fogy fights.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Benn...according to HBO both he and Collins were offered matches (this after Collins showed up at one of Jones matches and called him out) and he turned them down. Jones said this in a live interview, which HBO confirmed. Interview here.

benn-jones is an odd one because yes it has been banded around that he turned the fight down, but at a recent after dinner speech he gave, benn said he was suprised that RJJ never offered to fight him as he believes roy could have made a ton of cash and beat him with ease, so it's hardly a cleared up situation.

[jc]

Its true, Roy would have battered Nige...:p

[ThePlugInBabies]

Its true, Roy would have battered Nige...:p

true. although benn is the sort of guy that would possess the ultimate punchers chance ;)

[kg0208]

benn-jones is an odd one because yes it has been banded around that he turned the fight down, but at a recent after dinner speech he gave, benn said he was suprised that RJJ never offered to fight him as he believes roy could have made a ton of cash and beat him with ease, so it's hardly a cleared up situation.
Yes, and I read an article where Benn claims that Jones turned down upwards of 15 million to come across the pond to fight him. I only post the video because this isn't Jones saying that he made an offer and was turned down, but HBO made the offers. Jones merely confirms what was said and offered.

Its a business, I would be careful of semantics. Benn says Jones never offered. HBO says they did....see my point? On that though, my honest opinion is that it's all odd. Benn never ducked ANYONE in my estimation. So why now and at that point. Perhaps some things got crossed.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Yes, and I read an article where Benn claims that Jones turned down upwards of 15 million to come across the pond to fight him. I only post the video because this isn't Jones saying that he made an offer and was turned down, but HBO made the offers. Jones merely confirms what was said and offered.

Its a business, I would be careful of semantics. Benn says Jones never offered. HBO says they did....see my point? On that though, my honest opinion is that it's all odd. Benn never ducked ANYONE in my estimation. So why now and at that point. Perhaps some things got crossed.

did the alleged offers etc. happen after benn-g-man?

[Fighting Weight]

I like McGuigan, always have....

but he's talking bollocks in that article. I can understand him complaining about the Trinidad/Jones fight but the anti-Jones rant just makes him look like an idiot.

The first middleweight in 100 years to win a heavyweight belt and what does Barry say? "He picked the easiest heavy to beat" :patsch

This is the same McGuigan who's been sucking Calzaghes balls for the last 10 years by they way - yes, that McGuigan :rofl

Next week I want to see an article from Barry judging Joes competition using the same yardstick he uses for Jones. Oh and he can do the same for Hatton too, he's always been a major Hatton fan too, and even bigged up Hattons fight with Pendleton who was a million times more shot when he fought Hatton than Jones is right now.

Oh and lastly, anyone that says "Jones never had a chin" is an idiot, regardless of what they did in the ring themself.

[kg0208]

did the alleged offers etc. happen after benn-g-man?

The interview is in late 1996. So I assume so.

[ThePlugInBabies]

The interview is in late 1996. So I assume so.

hmmm. it's safe to say benn wasn't the same mentally after that fight, it destroyed him to a certain extent so that really throws another spanner in the works. benn wasn't really interested in fighting after that night as shown by his last 5 fights so it's not that outlandish to suggest benn may have turned it down.

[Larson]

Hmm...that sounded just like something Welsh Dragon posted earlier

[Fighting Weight]

hmmm. it's safe to say benn wasn't the same mentally after that fight, it destroyed him to a certain extent so that really throws another spanner in the works. benn wasn't really interested in fighting after that night as shown by his last 5 fights so it's not that outlandish to suggest benn may have turned it down.

Also Benn knew Jones was friends with McClellan, which I think I've heard Benn say put him off taking the fight, didn't want 'revenge' involved.

The McClellan fight finished Benn as a force anyway, anyone could see that.

[simonsingh]

I like McGuigan, always have....

but he's talking bollocks in that article. I can understand him complaining about the Trinidad/Jones fight but the anti-Jones rant just makes him look like an idiot.

The first middleweight in 100 years to win a heavyweight belt and what does Barry say? "He picked the easiest heavy to beat" :patsch

This is the same McGuigan who's been sucking Calzaghes balls for the last 10 years by they way - yes, that McGuigan :rofl

Next week I want to see an article from Barry judging Joes competition using the same yardstick he uses for Jones. Oh and he can do the same for Hatton too, he's always been a major Hatton fan too, and even bigged up Hattons fight with Pendleton who was a million times more shot when he fought Hatton than Jones is right now.

Oh and lastly, anyone that says "Jones never had a chin" is an idiot, regardless of what they did in the ring themself.

Good post, I have noticed Barry to say negative remarks about hopkins also.........not sure what that is all about. In 20-30 years, Roy will be held in same regard as SRR/SRL type.

[Fighting Weight]

Good post, I have noticed Barry to say negative remarks about hopkins also.........not sure what that is all about. In 20-30 years, Roy will be held in same regard as SRR/SRL type.

He's already held in that regard now, to people who know what the fuck they're talking about :yep

[Snakefist]

What I don't understand why do people put all the blame on Jones for fights that didn't happen? Why are they so out to get him, when the evidence shows that in most cases it wasn't his fault (or in regards Hopkins rematch only partially, B-HOP should've took the 60-40, but his ego got in the way, then Roy’s ego got in the way and he said 70-30 in spite)? Can we not see from what is occurring with Calzage (sp?) that B-hop is difficult to come to an agreement with? B-Hop had no issues with the whole Oscar thing, because even though Oscar was pretty much doing nothing at that point and B-Hop deserved more money than him, the sum he got outweighed his ego. With Roy he would’ve got the biggest purse up till that point that he had ever got, Roy was the draw, accomplished more, and won the first bout.

They make mention of his chin, but negate his age and weight loss when he went down 20lbs of muscle in his advanced age. They say o he has no chin because of the Tarver KO MOSTLY, but have selective memory and NEVER ONCE mentions the 1st fight where Jones absorbed a LOT of shots, more so in the 6th round I believe and wasn't rocked or out on his feet. It's annoying.

Roy said something about; they won’t be satisfied until you die in the ring or something like that.

[Pimp C]

RJJ is a top 25 ATG fuck this guy. He accomplished more in one year than this hater did in a lifetime.:deal

[Fighting Weight]

What I don't understand why do people put all the blame on Jones for fights that didn't happen? Why are they so out to get him, when the evidence shows that in most cases it wasn't his fault (or in regards Hopkins rematch only partially, B-HOP should've took the 60-40, but his ego got in the way, then Roy’s ego got in the way and he said 70-30 in spite)? Can we not see from what is occurring with Calzage (sp?) that B-hop is difficult to come to an agreement with? B-Hop had no issues with the whole Oscar thing, because even though Oscar was pretty much doing nothing at that point and B-Hop deserved more money than him, the sum he got outweighed his ego. With Roy he would’ve got the biggest purse up till that point that he had ever got, Roy was the draw, accomplished more, and won the first bout.

They make mention of his chin, but negate his age and weight loss when he went down 20lbs of muscle in his advanced age. They say o he has no chin because of the Tarver KO MOSTLY, but have selective memory and NEVER ONCE mentions the 1st fight where Jones absorbed a LOT of shots, more so in the 6th round I believe and wasn't rocked or out on his feet. It's annoying.

Roy said something about; they won’t be satisfied until you die in the ring or something like that.

Put it this way - if Jones did have a glass chin for his whole career as some suggest then he MUST go down as the greatest defensive boxer that ever drew breath, when you consider some of the fighters he's been in with. Either that or his chin isn't as bad as people say....yes he obviously can be KO'd, so can anyone - especially at the tail end of their careers.

[Strike]

He is right about this fight, but he is WAY OFF about Jones as a fighter. You can pick apart pretty much anyones resume if you want and make it look bad, fact is that RJJ raped guys who have gone on to be champions, battered men who were champions and produced a level of speed, timing and combination punching that is almost unmatched in the sports history.

Say what you want about his attitude towards risks, he beat up on live opponents in a way most fighters would struggle to hit a heavy bag. One of the most gifted I have ever seen.

[Fighting Weight]

He is right about this fight, but he is WAY OFF about Jones as a fighter. You can pick apart pretty much anyones resume if you want and make it look bad, fact is that RJJ raped guys who have gone on to be champions, battered men who were champions and produced a level of speed, timing and combination punching that is almost unmatched in the sports history.

Say what you want about his attitude towards risks, he beat up on live opponents in a way most fighters would struggle to hit a heavy bag. One of the most gifted I have ever seen.

THE most gifted I've ever seen, no doubt in my mind about that. The man was a freak at his best.

I've lost a ton of respect for McGuigan after reading that shit article, can't believe someone I held in such high esteem for so long would write such a xenophobic, biased pile of crap.

[Strike]

THE most gifted I've ever seen, no doubt in my mind about that. The man was a freak at his best.

I've lost a ton of respect for McGuigan after reading that shit article, can't believe someone I held in such high esteem for so long would write such a xenophobic, biased pile of crap.

I can. He makes a half decent pundit but he has long talked crap. He was licking Calzaghes arse as the greatest ever British fighter before Kessler fought him. I have defended Calzaghe here and his comp is no way near as bad as many make out but PLEASE....

Beating Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell, Lacy....that makes him ahead of Lewis? No chance. In fact I don't rate his comp as any better than Hameds...in fact it is worse overall.

[Bodysnatcher]

In Kevin Mitchell's `war baby` about the Benn/McLellan fight, Mitchell says that Benn and his people knew Nige couldn't win against RJJ, but wanted the pay day.

Nige was past his prime in 95 and he knew it.

[Bodysnatcher]

I can. He makes a half decent pundit but he has long talked crap. He was licking Calzaghes arse as the greatest ever British fighter before Kessler fought him. I have defended Calzaghe here and his comp is no way near as bad as many make out but PLEASE....

Beating Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell, Lacy....that makes him ahead of Lewis? No chance. In fact I don't rate his comp as any better than Hameds...in fact it is worse overall.

Disagree (slightly) about Hamed, but about Lewis? You're bang on and anyone who says different is a fucking idiot (and I'm a HUGE Calzaghe fan).

[Bodysnatcher]

He is right about this fight, but he is WAY OFF about Jones as a fighter. You can pick apart pretty much anyones resume if you want and make it look bad, fact is that RJJ raped guys who have gone on to be champions, battered men who were champions and produced a level of speed, timing and combination punching that is almost unmatched in the sports history.

Say what you want about his attitude towards risks, he beat up on live opponents in a way most fighters would struggle to hit a heavy bag. One of the most gifted I have ever seen.

100% correct.

When people try and pick apart RJJ I feel sorry for them, whoever they are (and I have huge respect for McGuigan).

[sugarngold]

I have nothing but love for McGuigan. He was a tremendous fighter in his day - but he doesn't need to bash RJJ/Trinidad over this. This is a cross-roads style of fight where the loser will most likely fade back into retirement - while the winner could find another decent payday and title shot somewhere down the road. Cross roads fights are part and parcel of boxing. As long as both men get in the ring and deliver a fight that FANS want to see - then ther is no way it is bad for boxing.

[Fab2333]

I like McGuigan, always have....

but he's talking bollocks in that article. I can understand him complaining about the Trinidad/Jones fight but the anti-Jones rant just makes him look like an idiot.

The first middleweight in 100 years to win a heavyweight belt and what does Barry say? "He picked the easiest heavy to beat" :patsch

This is the same McGuigan who's been sucking Calzaghes balls for the last 10 years by they way - yes, that McGuigan :rofl

Next week I want to see an article from Barry judging Joes competition using the same yardstick he uses for Jones. Oh and he can do the same for Hatton too, he's always been a major Hatton fan too, and even bigged up Hattons fight with Pendleton who was a million times more shot when he fought Hatton than Jones is right now.

Oh and lastly, anyone that says "Jones never had a chin" is an idiot, regardless of what they did in the ring themself.:deal

[Betty Swollocks]

I like McGuigan, always have....

but he's talking bollocks in that article. I can understand him complaining about the Trinidad/Jones fight but the anti-Jones rant just makes him look like an idiot.

The first middleweight in 100 years to win a heavyweight belt and what does Barry say? "He picked the easiest heavy to beat" :patsch

This is the same McGuigan who's been sucking Calzaghes balls for the last 10 years by they way - yes, that McGuigan :rofl

Next week I want to see an article from Barry judging Joes competition using the same yardstick he uses for Jones. Oh and he can do the same for Hatton too, he's always been a major Hatton fan too, and even bigged up Hattons fight with Pendleton who was a million times more shot when he fought Hatton than Jones is right now.

Oh and lastly, anyone that says "Jones never had a chin" is an idiot, regardless of what they did in the ring themself.

yeah that sums it all up nicely.
I never liked McGuigan's punditry personally, he's always interrupting and talking biased crap.

[McGuigan.]

Barry talks sh*t! Here is the e-mail I sent him in regards to this streak of cats piss he wrote (posted on another thread). He also said in another article that Frazier broke Ali's jaw and when I said he was wrong in an e-mail he spat the dummy out the pram.

How this guy gets a job is beyond me, clearly nobody checks his work.

Jones vs. Tito article

In regards to Jones vs. Trinidad;

“He has taken the fight at 172lbs. Jones cannot come down any lower.”

Answer: Obviously he can because the fight is being fought at 170lbs!

“Trinidad enjoyed some success at light-middle and middleweight, notably against William Joppy, but is essentially a welterweight.”

Answer: Some success? He gave David Reid and Fernando Vargas their first career losses and engaged the latter in one of the best fights of the decade. He also picked up three titles across those weights! Glad he meets with your approval.

Also, is Trinidad essentially a welterweight? When Tommy Hearns won titles at Light Middle, Middle, Super Middle and Light Heavy, was he still essentially a welterweight? Trinidad struggled to make welterweight almost “ten” years ago!

“Jones stupidly continued to believe he could campaign at the top and walked into another defeat at the hands of Tarver a year later.”

Answer: Two or three defeats and Jones is finished?

Let me ask you something! If Clinton Woods fought Jones tomorrow, would you put your life on Woods winning? Clinton holds the IBF title and is rated number two in the world (Ring Magazine). Doesn’t Woods campaign at the top?

“Apologists for Jones will doubtless point to the usual suspects. What about James Toney? Toney was fried at the super-middleweight limit.”

Answer: Yes he was! However doesn’t Bernard Hopkins, Sugar Boy Malinga, Thomas Tate, Eric Lucas, Montell Griffin, Virgil Hill, Lou Del Valle, Reggie Johnson and Antonio Tarver make up for that? I’ve noticed you can’t push your nose any further up Joe Calzaghe’s ass, so why don’t you mock his “massive” list of sub-standard opposition?

“Jones never had a great chin.”

Answer: Jones’ was hit flush by John Ruiz, who dropped Holyfield, and barely moved. His chin let him down when he tortured himself to come back down to light heavy. Aren’t you being a little hard on the guy?

“It is really sad. How much money do these guys need? They are just feeding their egos.”

Answer: Jim McDonnell.

I respect you as a fighter and as a champion but your journalism is a load of hypocritical bullshit. How dare you slander a fighter of Jones’ calibre? He did more in a year than you did in your entire career, so where do you get off?

How would you like it if every boxing fan out there said that Eusebio Pedroza was past it and that you didn’t accomplish jack shit? Wouldn’t that be a touch harsh?

Remember that people who know the sport read this crap, so try coming up with something that has a bit of substance.





Can you PM me your e-mail address and i'll see he gets this little ditty in it's entirety.

[djfonti]

Mcguigan is right. this is like Mayweather-DLH, a nothing fight that holds no interest. We won't learn anytihng fromthis fight.

And RJJ hand-picked all his ooponents. You can have all the talent in the world but real greats take the risks.

[BodyBlaster]

McGuigan conveniently missed out RJJ making Hopkins look like a rank amateur, and ok Toney was struggling at the weight, but he wasnt even in the fight from the 1st bell, so outclassed was he. Montell Griffin, Virill Hill, Clinton Woods, Vinny Paz, all just totally outclassed.

Then he fights a man who for me went 3-0 v Holyfield, was probably naturally 40lbs lighter, and beat Ruiz like no-one else has.

Jones was brilliant, and far far better than McGuigan was himself, or gives him credit for.

[BodyBlaster]

I like McGuigan, always have....

but he's talking bollocks in that article. I can understand him complaining about the Trinidad/Jones fight but the anti-Jones rant just makes him look like an idiot.

The first middleweight in 100 years to win a heavyweight belt and what does Barry say? "He picked the easiest heavy to beat" :patsch

This is the same McGuigan who's been sucking Calzaghes balls for the last 10 years by they way - yes, that McGuigan :rofl

Next week I want to see an article from Barry judging Joes competition using the same yardstick he uses for Jones. Oh and he can do the same for Hatton too, he's always been a major Hatton fan too, and even bigged up Hattons fight with Pendleton who was a million times more shot when he fought Hatton than Jones is right now.

Oh and lastly, anyone that says "Jones never had a chin" is an idiot, regardless of what they did in the ring themself.

Excellent post FW.
By the way, Villa aint doing to shabby these days eh:deal

[Fighting Weight]

Mcguigan is right. this is like Mayweather-DLH, a nothing fight that holds no interest. We won't learn anytihng fromthis fight.

And RJJ hand-picked all his ooponents. You can have all the talent in the world but real greats take the risks.

I agree that the Trinidad/Jones fight is of limited interest, it's McGuigans trashing of Jones I take exception to. As I said, I'd like him to put those same goggles on when talking about Calzaghe, a man who truly has fought no-one of note.

As for Jones hand-picking his opponents, he was undisputed 175 champ for years, surely he must have fought the odd mandatory amongst all those hand-picked bums?

Finally, if he 'hand-picked' the likes of Toney and Hopkins at the age he was when he fought them then surely he should be applauded for that? Everyones giving Calzaghe credit for trying to get semi-retired Hopkins in the ring a decade and a half later for fucks sake :twisted:

[Fighting Weight]

Excellent post FW.
By the way, Villa aint doing to shabby these days eh:deal

Nice to see you back mate, hope alls well?

We're slowly but surely getting better yeah, crap against United the other day (as usual) but it's coming together....we'll win that European Cup again one day.....erm maybe :good

[Imperial1]

What a bias peice of crap ..