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RichDam
01-06-2008, 06:26 PM
On the basis of what I saw last night I think Ricky would easily defeat Malignaggi. Last night was the first time I saw him in action and he looked very unimpressive.

I was under the impression he was a slick counter puncher somewhat in the Luis Collazo mould but he is nothing of the sort.

Ngoudjo is a pretty limited fighter but he had no problems landing right hands on Paulie whose defence looked alarmingly open. His jab was poor, he lacked power in his jab and he moved back in straight lines. He also allowed Ngoudjo to rough him up by the ropes which is Hatton's bread and butter.

Malignaggi unlike Collazo or Mayweather lacks the power, or the movement to dissuade Hatton. I am not saying Hatton isn't limited too because he is. But this guy is horribly overrated and I would be disappointed if Hatton didn't stop him.

dan-b
01-06-2008, 06:39 PM
Totally agree. Paulie keeps his hands way too low & for someone who relies on speed & reflexes to avoid punches he gets hit way too much. He's obviously got heart, as he showed in the Cotto fight, but for me that shows he is too easy to draw into a war which isn't his game. Hatton would engulf him inside 10.

RichDam
01-06-2008, 06:53 PM
Totally agree. Paulie keeps his hands way too low & for someone who relies on speed & reflexes to avoid punches he gets hit way too much. He's obviously got heart, as he showed in the Cotto fight, but for me that shows he is too easy to draw into a war which isn't his game. Hatton would engulf him inside 10.

Having heard about his style and his low hands I really expected him to be very elusive and hard to hit, but he got caught by a number of big shots. A better finisher than Herman maybe could have stopped Paulie in the seventh round.

dan-b
01-06-2008, 07:35 PM
He can be elusive - he boxes well but definitely lacks power or, due to his fragile hands, refuses to throw with any authority.

didn't see the fight last night - maybe he just underestimated his opponent?

He may well have done & I'm by no means writing him off but even before the fight I thought Hatton would win fairly comfortably & last night confirmed it. Paulie would not have enough to worry Hatton who I think would just walk through his punches.

steelem
01-06-2008, 11:58 PM
Hatton should fight Malignaggi as a warm up for the Pac fight. P>M wont last 5 rounds with hatton

Betty Swollocks
01-07-2008, 01:09 AM
I bet on Ngoujou at 6.50 to beat Malignaggi and it was one of the best bets I've ever had.
Malignaggi made his rep by beating a worn, B- class N'Dou and in a loss to a drained Cotto. That's it. He's not that good at all.
after Saturday night you can bet your bottom dollar Hatton will be targeting Malignaggi, unfortunately.

theunderdog
01-07-2008, 01:50 AM
Hatton should fight Malignaggi as a warm up for the Pac fight. P>M wont last 5 rounds with hatton

he lasted the distance against cotto with a busted jaw. i don't like paulie either but you gotta give him his due. hatton is no cotto.

Galileo Galilei
01-07-2008, 02:51 PM
I never bought that Malignaggi would beat Hatton hype. He just isn't strong enough or carries enough pop to stop Hatton from mauling him all night.

The guy has some skill and handspeed. He has also showed a nice chin and true heart, but he's not on the level of Hatton.

The fight would probably be a decent one and I'd like to see it happen but Malignaggi aint beating Hatton.

jc
01-07-2008, 03:32 PM
Didnt see the last PM fight, but have thoguth for a while that Ricky would beat him, just too strong down the stretch and i think you need some pop to beat Hatton, something Malinaggi clearly doesnt have.

Polymath
01-09-2008, 01:43 AM
Didnt see the last PM fight, but have thoguth for a while that Ricky would beat him, just too strong down the stretch and i think you need some pop to beat Hatton, something Malinaggi clearly doesnt have.

Huh? When?

When Luis Collazo beat the shit out of him down the stretch?

When he held on for dear life against an inept paper champ called 'Juan Urango' down the stretch?

When Mayweather tee'd of and knocked him out down the stretch?

SeasideSlugger
01-09-2008, 06:17 AM
Hello Chaps 1st post and all that,

I watched that Malignaggi fight last night on setanta repeat and got to say he was woeful and must have bought that decision somewhere.

I'd never seen him fight before and was expecting a fair bit more than I got. He shapes up like mayweather but without the speed, reflexes or power.

Apparently he was a bit rusty but he'd have to be twice as good to even get near Hatton. Urango'd have this bloke for breakfast, never mind Hatton.

Good tune up and a belt to boot for RH. It wouldn't get past 8.

RichDam
01-09-2008, 06:46 AM
Huh? When?

When Luis Collazo beat the shit out of him down the stretch?

When he held on for dear life against an inept paper champ called 'Juan Urango' down the stretch?

When Mayweather tee'd of and knocked him out down the stretch?

Neither Collazo, Urango or Mayweather can be compared to the feather fisted runner Malignaggi who would not make the later rounds against Hatton.

Polymath
01-09-2008, 08:32 AM
Neither Collazo, Urango or Mayweather can be compared to the feather fisted runner Malignaggi who would not make the later rounds against Hatton.

He's a far better fighter than both Collazo and Urango. Collazo looked like (and is) a feather fisted B-fighter before Hatton. Hatton made him look great. Urango is just a plain bum. Either way they're the best (only) fighters Hatton has fought in recent years and has not looked strong at all down the stretch agasint any of them.

Paulie fought a poor fight and still won comfortably agaisnt Ngjou - an awkward but relatively unskilled legitimate top 10 fighter. So, Paulie is a solid B level fighter (my opinion) or he's a total bum (yours) - so why is your man Hatton so keen to fight him?

RichDam
01-09-2008, 09:02 AM
Collazo in my opinion is a much better fighter than Malignaggi. In contrast to Paulie, he is actually quite hard to hit. Paulie was hit regularly by right hands from Herman who is hardly Sugar Ray Leonard. His defense and reflexes looked very ordinary.

He also has no pop in his punches and has nothing to really discourage Hatton.

Can you stake a case for how he could beat Hatton???

Polymath
01-09-2008, 09:52 AM
Collazo in my opinion is a much better fighter than Malignaggi.

Then you dont know boxing. Malinaggi is legtimate world title material. Collazo is not. If you only saw Paulie's last fight, and only saw Collazo 'vs', and think Hatton is a great fighter (I assume you do) - then you could come to that conclusion - no other way.

Paulie is young and can box, thats why he'll trouble Hatton (if not whup him). At this stage at 140 he's a little quicker than Mayweather at 147, especially on his feet, although the Philly shell doesnt work for him at all and he should adopt a more conventional defence. Only Hatton fanatics even think Collazo is a great boxer; he isnt.

He also has no pop in his punches and has nothing to really discourage Hatton.

Niether does Collazo who nearly knocked him out. Mayweather is also far from a puncher at 147 and hasnt been KO'ing anyone in recent years.

RichDam
01-09-2008, 11:02 AM
I will agree to disagree when it comes to Collazo. But lets face facts. Malignaggi is nowhere near the standard of Mayweather when it comes to foot speed, hand speed or power.

Your basis for saying Malignaggi will beat Hatton is because he is young ???? and he can box???

Hardly ground breaking but I'll humour you.

By you saying he is young I imagine you think he has more stamina and will outlast Hatton. Trust me this won't happen. I am not saying Hatton isn't limited because he is. But he is only troubled by fighters who can hault his charges with some form of punching power.

Malignaggi will not earn his respect or befuddle him with that prodding excuse of a jab.

You are also suggesting he will outbox Hatton. I don't think this will happen either as Paulie (unlike Mayweather) doesn't have the defensive skills to nullify Hatton's attacks and force him into the middle of the ring.

Polymath
01-09-2008, 05:50 PM
I will agree to disagree when it comes to Collazo.

No, Collazo is a 'B' fighter at best - nobody other than manic Hatton fans consider him anything else - because beating up on Ricky was the only time he ever looked good.

Malignaggi is nowhere near the standard of Mayweather when it comes to foot speed, hand speed or power.

Oh hes faster now at 140 than PBF is at 147, again this is obvious to anyone who's watched boxing. For all his faults Paulie is as quick as anyone in the sport besides maybe Judah.

By you saying he is young I imagine you think he has more stamina and will outlast Hatton.

No, hatton should not fight anyone who is young and can box - they'll beat him, its simple. Even the limited Collazo (if he didn't beat hatton on the cards he certainly beat him up.)

Even if he beats Paulie, which he probably will if he fights like he did against Ngoudjo, Hatton will take a million flush shots and look like he's been in a train wreck again.

Ricky has faced two young, prime (or close to it) boxers, one OK (Collazo), one great (PBF) and taken shellackings both times. My 'fact' is Ricky is a lamb to the slaughter for any prime boxer, his skills are that bad.

Hardly ground breaking but I'll humour you.

:rofl

slapbangwhallop
01-09-2008, 06:38 PM
Paulie should fight Junior Witter - the winner of that should get a shot at Ricky Hatton

Polymath
01-09-2008, 07:04 PM
Paulie should fight Junior Witter - the winner of that should get a shot at Ricky Hatton

Hatton should be begging for a chance at the fighter with the most prestigious belt - Junior. Witter will beat them both.

john b
01-09-2008, 08:06 PM
Hatton should be begging for a chance at the fighter with the most prestigious belt - Junior. Witter will beat them both.

Witter will beat them both he as looked bloody awful in his last half dozen fights apart from harris.

TFFP
01-09-2008, 08:15 PM
No, Collazo is a 'B' fighter at best - nobody other than manic Hatton fans consider him anything else - because beating up on Ricky was the only time he ever looked good.



Oh hes faster now at 140 than PBF is at 147, again this is obvious to anyone who's watched boxing. For all his faults Paulie is as quick as anyone in the sport besides maybe Judah.



No, hatton should not fight anyone who is young and can box - they'll beat him, its simple. Even the limited Collazo (if he didn't beat hatton on the cards he certainly beat him up.)

Even if he beats Paulie, which he probably will if he fights like he did against Ngoudjo, Hatton will take a million flush shots and look like he's been in a train wreck again.

Ricky has faced two young, prime (or close to it) boxers, one OK (Collazo), one great (PBF) and taken shellackings both times. My 'fact' is Ricky is a lamb to the slaughter for any prime boxer, his skills are that bad.



:rofl You don't half talk some shit

Collazo might be B Level, but he's a genuine welterweight, and a southpaw which always causes Hatton problems. See Eamonn Magee. Malignaggi is neither. Collazo is also B class in a very good division, whereas Malignaggi holds a joke belt in a weaker division. What does he have on those judges?

Malignaggi's speed is ridiculously overrated. He didn't look very fast to me, aside from the opening few rounds. Once he felt Ngoudjo's power he resorted to potshotting, and neither his handspeed nor speed of foot was particularly prevelant in the fight. To say he is faster than Mayweather is nothing short of a joke. I don't even think he is faster than Hatton

Who cares what Hatton's face looks like? He always looks shit, he's prone to cuts. Fact is Malignaggi can't hurt him. He can't run from him. He can't stop him getting inside. He doesn't have the defence to avoid a beating

He has done nothing to prove himself as above B class, so your ramblings on Collazo are silly. He looked flabby to me, he should get his ass down to lightweight, where he might have more success, because he doesn't beat Witter or Hatton

RichDam
01-10-2008, 06:39 AM
You don't half talk some shit

Collazo might be B Level, but he's a genuine welterweight, and a southpaw which always causes Hatton problems. See Eamonn Magee. Malignaggi is neither. Collazo is also B class in a very good division, whereas Malignaggi holds a joke belt in a weaker division. What does he have on those judges?

Malignaggi's speed is ridiculously overrated. He didn't look very fast to me, aside from the opening few rounds. Once he felt Ngoudjo's power he resorted to potshotting, and neither his handspeed nor speed of foot was particularly prevelant in the fight. To say he is faster than Mayweather is nothing short of a joke. I don't even think he is faster than Hatton

Who cares what Hatton's face looks like? He always looks shit, he's prone to cuts. Fact is Malignaggi can't hurt him. He can't run from him. He can't stop him getting inside. He doesn't have the defence to avoid a beating

He has done nothing to prove himself as above B class, so your ramblings on Collazo are silly. He looked flabby to me, he should get his ass down to lightweight, where he might have more success, because he doesn't beat Witter or Hatton

Agreed. I also don't understand why getting smashed by Cotto and holding wins over such huge names as Edner Cherry and Lovemore N'dou make you an A class fighter.

Govanmauler
01-10-2008, 10:04 AM
I am not a Malignaggi fan but I think he just had a bad night. He may not have the pop to keep Ricky off him but he has good skills and I can see him giving Ricky trouble ( especially if Ricky runs out of ideas as he did against Floyd )

TKO 11 Hatton , but I wouldn't put money on it !