What gives people the idea that Haye will go ANYWHERE at HW?

[RAMPAGE0017]

:think


He's a pretty impressive CW but I see nothing in this guy that looks like he could win any of the 4 major titles as a matter of fact.. I'd pick any current title holder over David Haye. At the most he could win maybe an obscure title in the division but other than that I don't see him doing too well. His chin is already shaky at CW so I'm willing to bet that it'd drop to glass or maybe even border-line china at HW. Boy.. imagine what Wladimir would do to him?

[Chunk]

:think


He's a pretty impressive CW but I see nothing in this guy that looks like he could win any of the 4 major titles as a matter of fact.. I'd pick any current title holder over David Haye. At the most he could win maybe an obscure title in the division but other than that I don't see him doing too well. His chin is already shaky at CW so I'm willing to bet that it'd drop to glass or maybe even border-line china at HW. Boy.. imagine what Wladimir would do to him?
id take wlad over him but with his punch id give him a chance against the rest...he has improved a lot over the last 2 years or so

[Wige247]

B/c all it takes to be a force in the HW division is power & stamina. Even a shaky chin isn't enough to derail someone w/ those 2 qualities.

Show me a HW who's 6'3, 230, in good shape, and has KO power, and I'll show you the next heir to the throne.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Show me a HW who's 6'3, 230, in good shape, and has KO power, and I'll show you the next heir to the throne.


.. shades of Audley Harrison. :yep

[ThePlugInBabies]

.. shades of Audley Harrison. :yep

haye comes to fight.

to even mention harrison in the same sentence as haye is moronic. haye would ice harrison with ease.

it will be interesting to see if haye's punch resistance improves when he does move up, after all he won't be starving himself silly to make a weight limit anymore. give the bloke a chance before you write him off.

[beatsy]

the problems with Haye from what I can see are correctable - low hands in defence. I think at least from what I seen of Haye in the Mormeck fight, the only reason Haye went down was because he was weight drained. I think that the HW category (minus wlad) is there for the taking and Haye would be anice edition.peace.

[Mendoza]

:think


He's a pretty impressive CW but I see nothing in this guy that looks like he could win any of the 4 major titles as a matter of fact.. I'd pick any current title holder over David Haye. At the most he could win maybe an obscure title in the division but other than that I don't see him doing too well. His chin is already shaky at CW so I'm willing to bet that it'd drop to glass or maybe even border-line china at HW. Boy.. imagine what Wladimir would do to him?

Right. He's get blasted out. Haye is the but the coffee of the day for those not happy with the current four ( soon to be 3 ) belt holders.

[robpalmer135]

Look whatever you say about this Bonin guy about being in with shit opponents, he has still been in there with Heavyweight and had taken big punches, but due to Hayes speed and accuracy plus natural punching power he took the guy out in 2 minutes. Bonin has sparred with plenty of the top Heavys including the Klitshckos, Valuev and Chagev and you could see the look on his face when he got hit by Haye, he couldn't beleive the punching Power, he has never been hit like that before.

At 230lbs Haye will be the Fastest and most accuarte Heavy out thier, and due to that he will be one of the most devistating punchers. Remember at 230lbs he will be all muscle, only Wlad is like that and H/W at the mo. Muscle creates more power that fat.

He also has made his way to the top by beating Eastern Europeans, and who are the current Champions. He is Naturally bigger than all 4 champs apart from Wlad.

OH AND WHAT GIVES YOUR THE RIGHT TO SAY HE WON'T...........EVERYBODY ON HERE IS ENTITLED TO AN OPINION THATS WHY WERE ON A FORUM YOU PRAT!

[greengloves]

i mean rampage,im trying to see that point of view,but honestly,i cant see that far up your arse.

[achillesthegreat]

When you see that three of the holders are Chagaev, Ibragimov and Maskaev you have to think any contender is literally one punch away from being a champ - that includes Wlad for that matter.

[robpalmer135]

Yeh Maskaev and Wlad have both been knocked out and down by lesser pucnhers than Haye.

[Shake]

His chin may improve when he stops starving himself.

[warrior85]

because the division is wide open&anyone with decent skills&power can make a mark,haye ticks those boxes&then some.

[Sonny's jab]

Yeah, when you look at some of the guys who have held alphabet titles these last 5-10 years, you got to give Haye a good chance of winning one too.

[TFFP]

Because he can knock any of them out, no problem at all, and thus he always has a chance

It's as simple as that really. He could just as easily get iced himself, but then he has the speed to see those fat plodders coming a mile off which gives him an advantage

I don't see too many David Tua's in the heavyweight division at the moment, all of their fat asses can be knocked out

[PH|LLA]

unless weight draining was affecting his speed at CW i dont think he'll be much of a force at HW

[TFFP]

unless weight draining was affecting his speed at CW i dont think he'll be much of a force at HW What's wrong with his speed?

Chin?

[PH|LLA]

What's wrong with his speed?

Chin?
when i watched the Mormeck fight i thought he was slow and sluggish.

[robpalmer135]

People talk about the chin but Lewis was chinny and he did not do to badly!

[TFFP]

Lewis was a master boxer and tactician, and this his chin was rarely exposed. That said, his chin wasn't half as bad as is made out

Haye's defence is nothing like as good, which is the worry

[PH|LLA]

People talk about the chin but Lewis was chinny and he did not do to badly!
Lewis took some big shots from Tua, one of the most devastating punchers ever, and took them very well. His chin is underrated.

[beatsy]

unless weight draining was affecting his speed at CW i dont think he'll be much of a force at HW

i honestly don't know how u can say haye is sluggish. I think you have been watching the welters too long and comparing to them :tong

[Brickhaus]

Haye's two biggest problems are bis chin and his apparent inability to keep his left hand up. The second one should be fixable, and he'll need to learn to do so to compete. The first should also improve some. You balance is much worse when you're water drained or were water drained recently, and Haye has been extremely water drained in several of his last few fights. In addition, moving up will allow him to work on his neck and shoulder muscles more, which helps the chin somewhat (less rattling of the brain if there's less snap of the head on a hard punch). There's a reason a lot of guys chins seem to improve as they gain weight (see: Cotto, Briggs), and there isn't a lot of reason to think his chin wouldn't improve a bit as well.

Also, I can't name 3 current HWs who have both a good punch and a good chin who Haye couldn't box circles around. Sam Peter might be a problem. Tua and Briggs are too inactive and too immobile to present a real threat for someone who moves well. Wlad, Rahman and Maskaev all have glass jaws themselves. Chagaev, Valuev, Chambers, Povetkin, Thompson, Ibragamov and Lyakhovich aren't huge punchers. There's little reason to think he couldn't hold his own.

[robpalmer135]

when i watched the Mormeck fight i thought he was slow and sluggish.

He looked like that due to adopting a a strategy when he didn't throw to many punches due to struggling to make the weight. The punches he did throw however were fast and accurate. watch any other Haye fight, especially Bonin to see that. There on youtube.

What people have gotta realise is that 230lbs of muscle is better than 250lbs of fat when it comes to punch power, speed and accuaracy, as well as being able to take a punch and push opponents around.

[PH|LLA]

i honestly don't know how u can say haye is sluggish. I think you have been watching the welters too long and comparing to them :tong
:lol: you might be right

although i did watch Jirov vs Toney recently but maybe thats too high a standard for guys like Mormeck and Haye right now.

[jc]

The main reason why I think hell make an impact at heavy is because the heavyweight division is full of overrated donkeys...

[Words]

Well the fact that he blasted the shit out of Jean Marc Mormeck ought to be something. Its not like he's fought bums, he's the top man in the cruiserweight division and that division is a hell of a lot more competitive than the Heavyweights.

[jc]

Excactly, Haye stands a chance with all the heavyweight Champions. i dont claim that he will be the next Lennox Lewis, but to say he definately cannot make an impact is a tad premature.

look at the guys who hold the titles right now, all very beatable, all have weaknesses and all dont get the adrenaline going. David haye will had some much needed spice to the heavyweight division which nobody has talked about since VK left!

Even the top dog at heavy, Wladimir klitschko is very beatable, if a fast start and a big puncher like Sanders can beat wlad i cant see why Haye couldnt. Thats not to say I think he would beat Wlad, but its a decent possibility all the same.

[jecxbox]

Oh how I wish James Toney was still in good physical shape and able to make CW again. I would absolutely love to see Toney vs Haye go at it rofl what a match that would be.

[robpalmer135]

Haye would knock Toney out. I like Toney but he never beat anyone that was good. he wo his title against weak champs and never unified.

[jecxbox]

Haye would knock Toney out. I like Toney but he never beat anyone that was good. he wo his title against weak champs and never unified.

...................:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[C HOP]

He wud certainly beat either Tyson or Holyfield at heavy n yea maybe he can do some damage at heavy

[MON]

Matt Skelton has a title shot.....

That tells me he'll be a success.

[Droog]

Simple. The HW division is a joke right now. Be honest klitschko aside no other HW is that good. To be a top ten HW in the world is far easier then to make the top ten of any over weight right now by a mile. Haye (although I think he will lose to Enzo at CW) is fast and powerful and has some boxing skill which you can not say about many top ten HW's. Peters is tipped as a real threat for the title but he is nothing and would have been knocked out in a round by the 1980's HW's let alone the 1970's HW's. Sadly the HW division is a joke and has been for several years now. Can't see it changing anytime soon.

[Words]

The heavyweights are pretty shit at the moment. There needs to be an enema at the top of the division, there's way too many aging out of shape B-level fighters lingering around at the top, occupying title shots and belts and stopping the new talent coming through. I'm talking about guys like Golota, McCline, Ruiz, Barrett, Holyfield, Oquendo, Tua, Rahman, Briggs, Maskeav etc who over the last few years have all got title shots they didn't deserve, merely because they had some name recognition.

Who did Shannon Briggs beat to earn his shot against Lyakovich? What did Holy do? Maskeav's standard of opposition was terrible before the Rahman fight. Both of those fighters are totally shot, why are they even fighting each other for the title?

Lets see some new blood in the heavyweights, and lets see the networks giving them some exposure rather than only putting on fights with the established names. Why do we need to see Hopkins fight? or Trinidad - Jones? They're even talking Tyson - Holyfield III god help us. Invest in some new talent, fighters like Hatton and Cotto can draw box office if they invest a little in proper promotion and marketing like HBO and 24/7.

There's exciting guys out there, like Haye and Solis and Povetkin, and the networks should start showing them off. They should do full fight programmes, not on PPV, of young heavyweights to find some new stars. The heavyweight division is the flagship division of boxing, the one with the most variation and potential excitement, and it needs some investment. If they promoted it right, like a search for a new heavyweight type thing, like contender, then it could be a huge success.