Who is taking Paul Williams this weekend?

[PBF P4P #1]

I need some convincing....My head says Margarito late TKO, my gut says the kid from South Carolina will be the new champ....

What if the Margarito that showed up against Clottey shows up? Does it matter? Or is Williams still too green? Who's chin is going to hold up better?

Anyway my head is telling me Margarito TKO 11 Williams
But for some reason I am thinking Williams TKO 9 in my gut....

Somebody convince me one way or the other...

[PBF P4P #1]

I have your back, I think this is all Williams, you say the AM that showed up againt Clotty, that's the regular AM. It won't be a KO but Paul will win at least 8 rounds, start an internet sportsbook (fake money) and have people responsible for thier predictions.

yeah but in margo's defense he did have some ankle and shoulder trouble going into that fight, but before clottey got injured i thought he was going to win in a route if not catch him late.

[Brand]

I think this is pretty even fight

[PBF P4P #1]

Not only that but Paul is a step above Clottey in my opinion, finally we can get rid of the Margarito hype that has haunted us since the win over Cintron

So then if you are rating guys at 147 how would you do so?
include mosley and hatton

[Bad Blood]

I'll take Williams over Margarito.

[digiram]

Williams, albeit skillfull, is still a bit green. Margo, is there to be hit and throws wide looping punches. However, has alot more experience.

Sorry bud, it's close to 50/50. I want Williams to win, but I'm thinking Margo SD.

[C Money]

I'm leaning towards Williams.

You might change the thread title as its on 7-14 not this weekend.

This week is Klitschko vs Brewster and Simms vs Alcine:good

[brooklyn1550]

I'm not...I think Margarito will get the better of him

[C Money]

I'm not...I think Margarito will get the better of him

Possibly:good This is a very close matchup IMO. Williams could out-box Marg or Marg will over power Williams.

Hats off to the winner who takes a MAJOR STEP forward in the chaMPIONSHIP equation at 47:yep

[brooklyn1550]

Possibly:good This is a very close matchup IMO. Williams could out-box Marg or Marg will over power Williams.

Hats off to the winner who takes a MAJOR STEP forward in the chaMPIONSHIP equation at 47:yep

:good

I just don't like the way Williams doesn't always use his height combined with his lack of defense. Against Margarito, I see him getting out-muscled and beat up on the inside by a guy with more power and a better chin. If Williams has improved his jab, defense, and ring generalship, he can win this fight, but until I see that, Margarito by UD is my pick.

[punchmaster]

I need some convincing....My head says Margarito late TKO, my gut says the kid from South Carolina will be the new champ....

What if the Margarito that showed up against Clottey shows up? Does it matter? Or is Williams still too green? Who's chin is going to hold up better?

Anyway my head is telling me Margarito TKO 11 Williams
But for some reason I am thinking Williams TKO 9 in my gut....

Somebody convince me one way or the other...

Williams corner will be throwing the towel in the 11th round.... Williams is a freak, 100 plus punches a round with a great chin, but this will really show how much of a bad ass the Mexican really is.

[lillarry]

If he has a chin he will win. his high workrate is amazing and fun to watch. Im taking Williams. Honestly Im more intrigued by a Cotto/Williams fight than Cotto/Margorito

[carras]

I'm not sold on williams, he just takes too many punches, I don't think he has that much power and looks very raw...
I say Margo ko's him in the middle rounds or late in the fight.

[reed_man02]

I need some convincing....My head says Margarito late TKO, my gut says the kid from South Carolina will be the new champ....

What if the Margarito that showed up against Clottey shows up? Does it matter? Or is Williams still too green? Who's chin is going to hold up better?

Anyway my head is telling me Margarito TKO 11 Williams
But for some reason I am thinking Williams TKO 9 in my gut....

Somebody convince me one way or the other...

through experience i have found that the prediction chosen by your head is the one thats always correct.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Still not sold on Williams. But if he pulls the upset, he gets my respect.

[Ambition_Def]

Williams struggles with guys much smaller than Margarito, with rubber legs and no punches coming back.

Williams is in for a shock next saturday, and it may even require some smelling salts to wake up from. As they say, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

And for the record, Cintron is also about the same size as Margarito. Size means shit in this case. Williams presents a big enough target that sharpness won't matter.

[PBF P4P #1]

Yeah my bad...

should say next weekend....oh well

um still think margarito....why? the cintron fight....thats about it

[Lance_Uppercut]

Williams needs to learn to use his size more effectively IMO.

[PBF P4P #1]

Williams needs to learn to use his size more effectively IMO.

Has Margarito had problems getting ready for this fight like he did for Clottey?

[Ambition_Def]

Has Margarito had problems getting ready for this fight like he did for Clottey?

None whatsoever, and he has looked very good in training.

The Clottey fight was rushed, and of course the two injuries didn't help. They had particularly bad sparring too. None of that this time around so he should be as sharp as ever.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Has Margarito had problems getting ready for this fight like he did for Clottey?

Nope. Nothing that I read. I hope, and think, both guys will be 100%.

[Ambition_Def]

Williams needs to learn to use his size more effectively IMO.

Even if he does there is only one thing that Margarito will respect and that is power. Santos at 170lbs was able to shake Margarito up, but he couldn't stop his advances.

Williams is gonna have to hit him harder than that and tbh the fact that Pakau lasted as long as he did, and the fact that Mathyesse basically didn't go out until he was winded tells me that Williams is not a big puncher.

So if he lacks Kermit Cintron-esque power, he has little choice but to trade with Margarito. Even if he tries to box he's gonna get caught in exchanges, and that will benefit the champion over the long run.

[PBF P4P #1]

None whatsoever, and he has looked very good in training.

The Clottey fight was rushed, and of course the two injuries didn't help. They had particularly bad sparring too. None of that this time around so he should be as sharp as ever.


Before Clottey got injured I thought he would walk away with it after how the first 4 rounds went. Did you?

[carras]

Before Clottey got injured I thought he would walk away with it after how the first 4 rounds went. Did you?

anyone who says Margo won any of those rounds contrary is blind:deal
he was getting spanked.

However injuries are part of the game and in the end margo won a clear UD

[Ambition_Def]

Before Clottey got injured I thought he would walk away with it after how the first 4 rounds went. Did you?

I had no doubts.

I was a bit concerned when I read that he injured himself prior, but I already knew Joshua Clottey had limits. He tired against Gutierrez and Baldomir and I just knew the kind of pressure and pace Margarito would set would be too much. You have to remember that Baldomir and Gutierrez are also pressure fighters, they just don't throw as many punches as Margarito does.

I don't buy into the bruised knuckle stopping him theory like so many others. Fact of the matter is around rounds 3-4 Margarito really started to beat on Clottey's arms and body, and about round 6 Clottey was gassed. Sure his hand was hurting, but you aren't gonna tell me that throwing a punch with a bruised knuckle will stop you. Not if you are true championship material.

[PBF P4P #1]

The reach is what is getting me toooooooooooo....

If Margo throw wide, loopy stuff and Williams stays outside and boxes and puts together combos from distance will Margo get caught forcing his way in? Or will he even be able to get in....

Also I can buy the Clottey getting gassed theory but I mean realistically he just stopped in that 5th round...if he stopped and took some rounds off couldn't he muster anything later on?

[See Me Flow]

With Williams significant reach advantage he could simply win this fight on the outside by throwing jabs and double jabs with straight rights. But his pride tells him to do other things. We'll see what happens.

[Ambition_Def]

Also I can buy the Clottey getting gassed theory but I mean realistically he just stopped in that 5th round...if he stopped and took some rounds off couldn't he muster anything later on?

That is hard to do when you have someone like Margarito on you. He just doesn't stop coming forward throwing punches. No rest time really except for between rounds.

Why do you think he tried moving in the 10th? He was trying to get some energy

[smokey]

The fight is intriguing. I'm going with Margo. The way Mitchell took so damn many of his punches when Mayweather just pounded him to the canvas makes me question his power to some extent.

[Ambition_Def]

It's been said that Williams is a busy fighter ... throwing 100 punches per round?

He throws alot, but he does so very reckless. He leaves his chin way up in the air and falls in with his work, very bad idea for someone of his size.

He also does not punch with the sort of authority he'd need to keep someone like Margarito off of him.

Size will not matter here.

[princedigital]

Williams all the way, and he will become the most feared welterweight!

[Ambition_Def]

So, it might be a problem also for Margo to keep coming forward if there are constant number of punches thrown towards him? 9 inches of reach advantage is a lot ...

Punches to the face have never stopped Margarito before, I don't see why it would be any different now.

He has walked through way worse than Williams. Guys like Danny Perez, who hit him hard to the body, Cintron who punches like a mule. He traded blow for blow with Antonio Diaz years ago and came out on top.

His resilience is no joke.

[See Me Flow]

I'm going to make a bold prediction which I'm sure you half brain PBF loathers will appreciate: If Williams KO's or easily beats up on Margo, PBF will lose to Williams as well.

There I said it. Did you have your orgasm?

[Ambition_Def]

I'm going to make a bold prediction which I'm sure you half brain PBF loathers will appreciate: If Williams KO's or easily beats up on Margo, PBF will lose to Williams as well.

There I said it. Did you have your orgasm?

It is amazing how you can see so much potential in a guy who struggled with Pakau and made his name off of a nobody powder puff and an ex-lightweight on rubber legs.

And you call us half-brained. Fucking dummy. :rofl

[Ambition_Def]

Oh and one other thing. When Cintron straight fucks Mathyesse up, it's gonna prove to the whole lot of you how overrated Paul Williams was off of that W.

[See Me Flow]

It is amazing how you can see so much potential in a guy who struggled with Pakau and made his name off of a nobody powder puff and an ex-lightweight on rubber legs.

And you call us half-brained. Fucking dummy. :rofl

I said "if". Having a difficult time of comprehending as usual, fucking dummy?

:patsch

[PBF P4P #1]

I'm going to make a bold prediction which I'm sure you half brain PBF loathers will appreciate: If Williams KO's or easily beats up on Margo, PBF will lose to Williams as well.

There I said it. Did you have your orgasm?

Floyd can outbox either one of them...If you want a more entertaining fight maybe the winner could fight Cotto because PBF can't afford to be stupid and trade he would have to stay outside and pick his spots which he would do rather easily.

[See Me Flow]

Floyd can outbox either one of them...If you want a more entertaining fight maybe the winner could fight Cotto because PBF can't afford to be stupid and trade he would have to stay outside and pick his spots which he would do rather easily.

I agree with most of what you stated, PBF. Especially out boxing Williams. However with the size differential do you think that might pose a significant threat to PBF?

[Ambition_Def]

I said "if". Having a difficult time of comprehending as usual, fucking dummy?

:patsch

My comprehension is just fine. Just make sure you show up for saturday's crow festival so you can get your fair share, corky.

[PBF P4P #1]

I agree with most of what you stated, PBF. Especially out boxing Williams. However with the size differential do you think that might pose a significant threat to PBF?

Yeah the reach is impressive...

Against DLH on the night of the fight he fought a 5'11'' at 154+ lbs, when he was still 147....Chico, N'dou, Baldomir all had size on him....Floyd usually thrives on being the smaller faster man...I think by the time they would try to smother him he would have already thrown and been gone....Also you have no reason to think PBF can't take a punch at this stage.

Hell for all we know by the time it comes for them to fight Williams may be at 154-160....Big frame, little weight...might be draining himself in years to come

[See Me Flow]

My comprehension is just fine. Just make sure you show up for saturday's crow festival so you can get your fair share, corky.

Now you chose to go off on a tangent rather than address the subject at hand.

Regardless of whether I "show up" in Carson for the fight, what the hell does that have to do with Williams possibly defeating Margo in easy fashion and advancing on to a potential fight with PBF??? Not A GODDAMN THING!

Your comprehension IS surely flawed! Try and think before you speak next time. But then again room temperature IQ twits cant comprehend logic.

[Ambition_Def]

Now you chose to go off on a tangent rather than address the subject at hand.

I wasn't the one hurling insults like a little schoolboy, that was you.

Regardless of whether I "show up" in Carson for the fight, what the hell does that have to do with Williams possibly defeating Margo in easy fashion and advancing on to a potential fight with PBF??? Not A GODDAMN THING!

When you resort to calling people "half-brained' because they don't favor Mayweather, then you put your foot in your mouth. Don't expect me not to call you on your bullshit.

[princedigital]

We shall see lol........Paul Williams TKO late rounds!

[See Me Flow]

Yeah the reach is impressive...

Against DLH on the night of the fight he fought a 5'11'' at 154+ lbs, when he was still 147....Chico, N'dou, Baldomir all had size on him....Floyd usually thrives on being the smaller faster man...I think by the time they would try to smother him he would have already thrown and been gone....Also you have no reason to think PBF can't take a punch at this stage.

Hell for all we know by the time it comes for them to fight Williams may be at 154-160....Big frame, little weight...might be draining himself in years to come

:good

I'm with you on this.

Me being a PBF fan I don't see anyone right now under 154 beating Floyd other than Williams. Not because Williams is a better boxer than PBF because he isn't, but rather due to Williams size, style and range differential which could give PBF fits.

As I stated in a previous thread Taylor didn't beat Hopkins because he's a better boxer. He beat Hops in a close decision because Taylor's activity and style offset Hops. I can see the same scenario with Williams vs PBF.

[See Me Flow]

I wasn't the one hurling insults like a little schoolboy, that was you.



When you resort to calling people "half-brained' because they don't favor Mayweather, then you put your foot in your mouth. Don't expect me not to call you on your bullshit.

1) I called PBF loathers half-brain twits because their nonstop, unwarranted and repugnant drivel is worthy of such comments. You reap what you sew.

2) You didn't "call me" on anything. I simply debased your drivel which you failed to answer, again.

3) :fy

[Ambition_Def]

1) I called PBF loathers half-brain twits because their nonstop, unwarranted and repugnant drivel is worthy of such comments. You reap what you sew.

Kinda like a dumb twat (yourself) who considers a prospect to be better than a reigning champion with 7 consecutive title defenses. Someone who has names that said prospect can only dream of having under his W column.

2) You didn't "call me" on anything. I simply debased your drivel which you failed to answer, again

See above, corky.

3) :fy

:hi:

[See Me Flow]

Kinda like a dumb twat (yourself) who considers a prospect to be better than a reigning champion with 7 consecutive title defenses. Someone who has names that said prospect can only dream of having under his W column.


Don't punk out now like the little illiterate bitch that you are.

When and where did I say a Williams (the prospect) was "better" than PBF??? :rofl

[Ambition_Def]

Don't punk out now like the little illiterate bitch that you are.

When and where did I say a Williams (the prospect) was "better" than PBF??? :rofl

I wasn't talking about Floyd, you imbecile. Margarito has 7 consecutive title defenses at 147, and wins over top 10 ranked welterweights.

That is something Paul Williams isn't even close to accomplishing. Yet an idiot like you gives him more of a shot than Margarito at beating Floyd.

The proof is in the context, Corky.

[See Me Flow]

I wasn't talking about Floyd, you imbecile. Margarito has 7 consecutive title defenses at 147, and wins over top 10 ranked welterweights.

That is something Paul Williams isn't even close to accomplishing. Yet an idiot like you gives him more of a shot than Margarito.

The proof is in the context, Corky.

Margo looked lethargic and barely escaped with a win over Clottey. Yet a dumb ass like you believes Williams isn't capable of beating the invincible Margarito myth. GTFOH with your bullshit!

[Ambition_Def]

Margo looked lethargic and barely escaped with a win over Clottey. Yet a dumb ass like you believes Williams isn't capable of beating the invincible Margarito myth. GTFOH with your bullshit!

Proof that you are an ignorant twat, aka imbecile.

1. You fail to understand the circumstances surrounding the Clottey fight.

2. You fail to understand that Clottey is a front-runner who also looked spectactular against Baldomir and Gutierrez before he ran out of gas around the midway mark.

3. You just fail at understanding very basic aspects of the game. One such being NEVER UNDERESTIMATE A MAN WHO HAS HELD A TITLE FOR 7 DEFENSES.

[See Me Flow]

Proof that you are an ignorant twat, aka imbecile.

1. You fail to understand the circumstances surrounding the Clottey fight.

2. You fail to understand that Clottey is a front-runner who also looked spectactular against Baldomir and Gutierrez before he ran out of gas around the midway mark.

3. You just fail at understanding very basic aspect of the game. One such being NEVER UNDERESTIMATE A MAN WHO HAS HELD A TITLE FOR 7 DEFENSES.

And you fail to comprehend, once again, any fighter can be beaten on any given day. There's not a goddamn thing on Margarito's resume which states 'i cant be beaten' even by Williams.

BTW, when are assholes like you going to stop making excuses for Margorito.

[igotJUIC3]

Both are fairly good...i think both are over rated though.

[See Me Flow]

Both are fairly good...i think both are over rated though.

Don't say that to those delusional Margarito nuthuggers, they'll have a fucking aneurysm. Better yet keep saying that. :yep

[Morrissey]

I need some convincing....My head says Margarito late TKO, my gut says the kid from South Carolina will be the new champ....

What if the Margarito that showed up against Clottey shows up? Does it matter? Or is Williams still too green? Who's chin is going to hold up better?

Anyway my head is telling me Margarito TKO 11 Williams
But for some reason I am thinking Williams TKO 9 in my gut....

Somebody convince me one way or the other...

OK. Let me help you with one thing to ponder.

Who had Williams fought that convinced you he can beat a veteran good boxer in Margarito?

Hope that would help you.

[igotJUIC3]

OK. Let me help you with one thing to ponder.

Who had Williams fought that convinced you he can beat a veteran good boxer in Margarito?

Hope that would help you.


:rofl ...dont care for Margo but this is a good pint....who has Williams fought?