Manny Pacquiao

[carras]

First of all let me say that I actually like the guy, makes great fights, fears nobody, has a great fan base, good for the sport in general.

But.......



GODDAMNIT!!! :fire

His crazy fans are driving me crazy! They act as if he's unbeatable by anyone in the past, present or future. I wanna see him get fucked in the ring just to shut them up! It would be really sweet if MAB could do it, sadly he won't....

I just had to get this out of my chest.

[DobyZhee]

his fans are delusional but they are very nice people in general.

why stress yourself out getting into a debate with them?

There will be a day when Pac will eventually slow down or even get knocked out. Why would it be sweet if MAB was the man to do it? that means there will be a part III which is possible. The problem is nobody in the division is going to KO pacman. There are boxers out there that will 'outbox' him. Its not that hard to outbox Pacquiao

[carras]

maybe the ones out of esb are nice, the ones here are just stupid.

[DobyZhee]

fine, they're stupid. learn and move on..

[enzo]

Actually, Pinoys are monkeys. You look at every message board around and you'll know how much of a moron Filipinos are.

I am annoyed myself and I am pinoy.

hello there KINGKONG! :lol:

[enzo]

Hi stupid brown monkey man from PH. It is your banana time first before you blab some non sense and argue that Pacman will beat Duran and the rest of the great fighters of all time


pinoy = monkey
you = pinoy
you = monkey

you're the one who said it not me... :D

[ChuckYoungblood]

Yeah, avoid messageboards and especially commenting Youtube videos with Pac - that's always a waste of braincells and time.

[myk]

For real? Where have you been drinking, the prison?

[boxbox]

yeah where do you live? its a different scenario...they know EM is good and was actually nervous about it, and quit saying pinoys cause your being annoying generalizing again,, why dont you just say "my friend said this.." , "johnco said this.." ..,

[theDUD3]

@angel_liu100

geez! you're far worst than a racist!

[enzo]

@angel_liu100

geez! you're far worst than a racist!

yup the guy hates his own race/nationality... thats what makes it worst. :lol:

[johnco]

angel liu"s b.f. is all black!! :good please excuse his retardation :lol::lol:

[1punch1nder]

Actually, Pinoys are monkeys. You look at every message board around and you'll know how much of a moron Filipinos are.

I am annoyed myself and I am pinoy.
go to back to your village anf plant rice and sweet potatoes!!! and where are my fucking dogs you filthy 3rd world animal!

:smoke

[johnco]

For real? Where have you been drinking, the prison?

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[dangerousity]

yup the guy hates his own race/nationality... thats what makes it worst. :lol:

Maybe he wants to be white? If a white guy is trying to be black he is a wigger....so what do you call an asian guy trying to be white then?

[1punch1nder]

Maybe he wants to be white? If a white guy is trying to be black he is a wigger....so what do you call an asian guy trying to be white then?
brown outside and white inside?

[koko of phil]

First of all let me say that I actually like the guy, makes great fights, fears nobody, has a great fan base, good for the sport in general.

But.......



GODDAMNIT!!! :fire

His crazy fans are driving me crazy! They act as if he's unbeatable by anyone in the past, present or future. I wanna see him get fucked in the ring just to shut them up! It would be really sweet if MAB could do it, sadly he won't....

I just had to get this out of my chest.

Probably this thread started by a Puerto Rican and so I say obviously, a Cotto fan.

May I know the history of all this chest pain of yours? :huh

[carras]

Probably this thread started by a Puerto Rican and so I say obviously, a Cotto fan.

May I know the history of all this chest pain of yours? :huh

What does the fact that I'm from pr or a cotto fan had to do with anything?:huh
I'm not bashing the pinoys in any way. I was talking about the crazy pac fans.
And to answer your question, I made the thread because they've fucked up more than a few other theads with their crazy ilogical arguments. I mean you can be anyone's fan but that doesn't mean you can go arround saying they're the best ever, and unbeatable and insulting anyone that doesn't agree with you.
I'm a cotto fan but I accept that he IS beatable by many people from the past, and the present.

[Morrissey]

What does the fact that I'm from pr or a cotto fan had to do with anything?:huh
I'm not bashing the pinoys in any way. I was talking about the crazy pac fans.
And to answer your question, I made the thread because they've fucked up more than a few other theads with their crazy ilogical arguments. I mean you can be anyone's fan but that doesn't mean you can go arround saying they're the best ever, and unbeatable and insulting anyone that doesn't agree with you.
I'm a cotto fan but I accept that he IS beatable by many people from the past, and the present.

how many Pac fans in those threads picked him over Sanchez and Gomez?
2? 3?

[carras]

Most Pinoy Pac fans are pretty bad, but all things being equal, they're not any worse than Puerto Rican Tito fans a while back.

It's no contest.
at least we don't go saying cotto and tito beat everyone in history in every weight class they fight.

[carras]

See, there are very few PAC fans who does that, so few that you know their names. I'm flip and I love Cotto and Mosley. I have a special affinity for PAC because he makes us proud.

No shame in that, it's what most people feel for a good boxer from their country.:good
It's just that those few jerks are worth a hundred.

[enzo]

Maybe he wants to be white? If a white guy is trying to be black he is a wigger....so what do you call an asian guy trying to be white then?

he's the pinoy version of michael jackson! :rofl

[carras]

I always say Cotto and Pac are going to save boxing. I follow MMA too they have this card for UFC 73, I mean I like boxing better but damn three potentially good fights, 2 titles on the line. Its hard to beat.

Only way for boxing to compete in the future is to have role model superstars ala Pac and Cotto. Humble and embraced by everyone and provides excitement in the ring. That really is the bottom line. You are making 5 million a fight, entertain me.

Damn right.
no crying about money like PBF and Taylor.

[carras]

I've just about have lost respect for Taylor just because so many have high hopes from this young man from Arkansas. As of the moment he has said and done wrong.

But and a big BUT!! He has fought BHOPs twice, fought Winky, and he seems to be on his way to fighting Pavlik. In other words, he has fought the best.

BTW I've been to PR, went to El Yunge, pretty scary driving in that road, very nice folks

Prior to the spinks fight I used to defend taylor, and I still don't complain about his competition, fighting Spinks is no walk in the park, add ouma who's smaller but a tough guy, and obviously winky and hops. But that comment about the money just made me mad. Hopefully he'll fight Pavlik and regain some of that lost respect.

Damn, I've lived here my whole life and I've never visited El yunque.:patsch

[carras]

cmon man, PR is a small island, shoot reminds me of NYricans that lives in Harlem and never been south of 96th street:lol: :lol: :lol: Although my buddy has move up on to the burbs, lots of them have especially upstate NY

I guess we're lazy by nature.:D Seriously, I've had a couple of chances to go, but I've never been to interested in traveling about 2 hours to see a forest(not my thing really).
BTW where did you stayed at?

[boxbox]

brown outside and white inside?


a cockroach

[PacDbest]

It's no contest.
at least we don't go saying cotto and tito beat everyone in history in every weight class they fight.

Because Tito Failed with Winky, Hopkins & just Gifted a DLH win. While Cotto's Chin shows it's vulnerability. I like Cotto but still pick PBF over him. Now if we go all time, Do you think he can survive SRR, Duran, Hearns & Leonard????

Now if we are talking about Pac, He already shown how Great he is. And being a Filipino, I am very Proud of him. Is there any fighter out there where He is 4-1 Favorite against a Current top 10 p4p & future HOF in MAB???? The odds is like that because Pac beats HOFamers & P4P guys with Total destruction.

While some on the HOFs has been a Benificiary of Favorable Judging & officiating, Chavez-Whitaker & Taylor, SRL-Hagler/Hearns2, TIto-DLH, DLH-Quartey/Whitaker/sturm, PBF-Castillo1, to name a few. Pac was on the other side of this with unfavorable Draws with Sanchez & JMM. Now look at all Pac's Wins against the best. No controversy, Exciting Fights, Great KOs, No doubt he's the winner. And He wins by a Mile.

This is the Reason why I Pick Pac even with Best of all time. He's one of a KInd Fighter who fights the best of the best & win by a Mile. No ducking, No running, No Hugging just pure excitement & impressive showing. Can you Blame me if I become a so called Nuthugger????

[Thinman]

Because Tito Failed with Winky, Hopkins & just Gifted a DLH win. While Cotto's Chin shows it's vulnerability. I like Cotto but still pick PBF over him. Now if we go all time, Do you think he can survive SRR, Duran, Hearns & Leonard????

Now if we are talking about Pac, He already shown how Great he is. And being a Filipino, I am very Proud of him. Is there any fighter out there where He is 4-1 Favorite against a Current top 10 p4p & future HOF in MAB???? The odds is like that because Pac beats HOFamers & P4P guys with Total destruction.

While some on the HOFs has been a Benificiary of Favorable Judging & officiating, Chavez-Whitaker & Taylor, SRL-Hagler/Hearns2, TIto-DLH, DLH-Quartey/Whitaker/sturm, PBF-Castillo1, to name a few. Pac was on the other side of this with unfavorable Draws with Sanchez & JMM. Now look at all Pac's Wins against the best. No controversy, Exciting Fights, Great KOs, No doubt he's the winner. And He wins by a Mile.

This is the Reason why I Pick Pac even with Best of all time. He's one of a KInd Fighter who fights the best of the best & win by a Mile. No ducking, No running, No Hugging just pure excitement & impressive showing. Can you Blame me if I become a so called Nuthugger????

:-( :-( :-(

[PacDbest]

dont worry kiddies....


soto will lay a nice mexican beating on his brown bottom..

eventually

I don't think Pac will ever fight Soto. Soto will be fed to either JMM of Guzman & will not win. He'll end up Fighting Bob pac in a rematch.

[PacDbest]

quit bein such a paccy dick licker

Pac already has a Date with MAB. Go find a date for soto. If you can't find one, volunteer yourself, You & soto can sucky sucky all night FAG!!!

[PATSYS]

First of all let me say that I actually like the guy, makes great fights, fears nobody, has a great fan base, good for the sport in general.

But.......



GODDAMNIT!!! :fire

His crazy fans are driving me crazy! They act as if he's unbeatable by anyone in the past, present or future. I wanna see him get fucked in the ring just to shut them up! It would be really sweet if MAB could do it, sadly he won't....

I just had to get this out of my chest.

Dream on, you bastard..

Pac by KO

[PacDbest]

Is Pac fighting MAB supposed to be big news? MAB is past his best and already got ruined by Pac, why are we supposed to give Pac props for fighting him again? I wanna see him rematch Marquez.

Ask Marquez why he fought for 30k in Indonesia, when Pac offered a rematch for $700K. Go figure out who is the Duck?

[PacDbest]

JMM "ducked" Pac cause he wanted a deservedly bigger purse, the same way Pac is "ducking" JMM now by going for the bigger purse and lesser threat against MAB.

Don't worry the JMM Pac fight will happen. And when Pac finally stopped him in 3 rds. I know you will use the old excuse, JMM past his prime & JMM Shot/Old. Can you tell me now if JMM is old or Shot fighter???

[boxbox]

JMM "ducked" Pac cause he wanted a deservedly bigger purse, the same way Pac is "ducking" JMM now by going for the bigger purse and lesser threat against MAB.


PAC deserved the bigger purse back then...and 30k was a better offer?:-(

[boxbox]

if your talking about the bigger draw that time it was PAC, and him being exciting and yes, a "new name" for the fans, and if you were JMM's managers you would recognize a good offer, knowing that $700k is more that enough if it meant defeating PAC and upgrading your value...yes people recognized JMMs talent but his drawing appeal is nothing compared to how PAC can draw a crowd while fighting lesser opponents..

[boxbox]

aww come on! how do you offer 700k if you think it wont be a draw?!?

[jyuza]

Bring JMM On !!!

[boxbox]

he was offered 30k! and he accepts?! i would too if i knew it wont make money:good

[boxbox]

ok..to you maybe he wasnt a draw back then, while i believe he was because of the fans sudden interest in PAC, ...no use arguing anymore, i just hope that JMM finds a good negotiator who knows how boxing business goes, because PAC has one and it doesnt even involves titles...

[Bangis]

MAB was certainly a draw when PAC beat him. So I think its fair to say that PAC would have some sort of drawing power after beating someone of stature like MAB. People saw how exciting PAC could be and would certainly want to find out if PAC was more than a one hit wonder....

PAC after beating MAB was already a draw!
JMM with his 2 belts and his reputation of being boring in fights is not a draw.
ANd if JMM is really confident, after falling 3 times in the first round, that he would school PAC again he would've accept the rematch offer so that he would able to open possibilities of fighting MAB and Erik.

[johnco]

:patsch

Try to stay with me.

Pac had just made a name for himself by beating Barrera but he was still NOT a proven draw.

His next fight was against JMM which turned out to be a pretty good fight.

So now Marquez had a name, and still had the two belts.

A rematch seemed like a can't miss and would have drawn a good crowd.

By now JMM and his people feel they should be on equal footing with PAC(and rightfully so) and there should have been some kind of purse parity.

Bereinstein rejects the 700K since Pac was getting more than 1MIL.
so Arum decides not to play this game and offers the Morales fight.

JMM gets screwed, boxing fans get screwd and Pac(although he went on to lose to Morales) probably was saved from another JMM schooling.

Let's hope Arum doesn't pull the same crap after MAB/PAC 2.

sorry to crash in...... what will be your excuse if pac put the 34 year old jmm into submission? just wondering :hey

[knockout]

Old and shot:smoke :yep

[PATSYS]

JMM "ducked" Pac cause he wanted a deservedly bigger purse, the same way Pac is "ducking" JMM now by going for the bigger purse and lesser threat against MAB.

Huh? :huh

Pac going for MAB gives him more money than fighting JMM.

JMM fighting John gives him less than 5% of what he would have gotten against Pac.

Think about it, genius..:rofl

[Chert]

:patsch

Try to stay with me.

Pac had just made a name for himself by beating Barrera but he was still NOT a proven draw.

His next fight was against JMM which turned out to be a pretty good fight.

So now Marquez had a name, and still had the two belts.

A rematch seemed like a can't miss and would have drawn a good crowd.

By now JMM and his people feel they should be on equal footing with PAC(and rightfully so) and there should have been some kind of purse parity.

Bereinstein rejects the 700K since Pac was getting more than 1MIL.
so Arum decides not to play this game and offers the Morales fight.

JMM gets screwed, boxing fans get screwd and Pac(although he went on to lose to Morales) probably was saved from another JMM schooling.

Let's hope Arum doesn't pull the same crap after MAB/PAC 2.
as i remember, both pac and jmm were to get 750K for this fight. prob is jmm asked for 1.5M instead since he was supposedly the beltholder although pac was clearly the better draw during that time.

in short, jmm priced himself out of this fight and gave arum the opening to put morales in there instead. it was jmm's and berestain's fault that this immediate rematch didn't happen. and then we hear them accept 30K to fight chris john in indonesia. :-(

[PH|LLA]

actually Pac is the most underratted fighter on ESB.

You wanna see a fighter whos fans overrate him like he was god when in fact he's far from it look no further than Floyd Mayweather/

[ravtrav]

a cockroach A TWINKIE!!!!!!







PAC IS THE BEST:bbb :bbb :bbb :bbb :bbb :bbb :good

[Spitfire7]

as i remember, both pac and jmm were to get 750K for this fight. prob is jmm asked for 1.5M instead since he was supposedly the beltholder although pac was clearly the better draw during that time.

in short, jmm priced himself out of this fight and gave arum the opening to put morales in there instead. it was jmm's and berestain's fault that this immediate rematch didn't happen. and then we hear them accept 30K to fight chris john in indonesia. :-(

...and f'n loooose too...:yep

[Mrboogie23]

First of all let me say that I actually like the guy, makes great fights, fears nobody, has a great fan base, good for the sport in general.

But.......



GODDAMNIT!!! :fire

His crazy fans are driving me crazy! They act as if he's unbeatable by anyone in the past, present or future. I wanna see him get fucked in the ring just to shut them up! It would be really sweet if MAB could do it, sadly he won't....

I just had to get this out of my chest.


I agree. I'm on the Pacman gets KOed train

[Mrboogie23]

sorry to crash in...... what will be your excuse if pac put the 34 year old jmm into submission? just wondering :hey


my excuse will be that he cheated because its a boxing match using Queensbury rules. Submissions are for grappling and MMA matches.

Clearly he'd be cheating.

[puga_ni_nana]

my excuse will be that he cheated because its a boxing match using Queensbury rules. Submissions are for grappling and MMA matches.

Clearly he'd be cheating.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[kg0208]

actually Pac is the most underratted fighter on ESB.

You wanna see a fighter whos fans overrate him like he was god when in fact he's far from it look no further than Floyd Mayweather/

False. More people hate on PBF than Pacman on ESB. Everytime they do a poll on who the top p4p is, Pacman comes in JUST behind PBF. So he is not underrated here.

Underrated fighters are guys like Dawson, Calderon, R. Marquez etc. Pacman is vastly overrated by his fans (Yes MAB is past his best, JMM is not prime but still good, and Morales is shot to hell....go fight Guzman, Soto, Valero etc) and underrated by his haters as every other fighter here is. The problem in Pacfan land is that they think anyone who doesn't call him the best (generalization) is underrating him or insulting him.

[PacDbest]

False. More people hate on PBF than Pacman on ESB. Everytime they do a poll on who the top p4p is, Pacman comes in JUST behind PBF. So he is not underrated here.

Underrated fighters are guys like Dawson, Calderon, R. Marquez etc. Pacman is vastly overrated by his fans (Yes MAB is past his best, JMM is not prime but still good, and Morales is shot to hell....go fight Guzman, Soto, Valero etc) and underrated by his haters as every other fighter here is. The problem in Pacfan land is that they think anyone who doesn't call him the best (generalization) is underrating him or insulting him.

Thou shall not touch PBF's nuts or else KG will defend it!!!

Wa sup KG, I haven't seen you joining our dicussion lately?

I think Pac is slighly underrated by most ESB members in terms of ATG matchup. Most of you favored retired & expired HOFamer like Gomez, Sanchez, against Pac. The reason here is because that's the only way they can win an argument coz they can't find one fighter right now to beat Pac. It terms of P4p ratings Pac should be higher than PBF coz Pac separate himself against co P4p & HOF competition. While PBF has a Close wins against Castillo & DLH.

[Ared]

Actually it's not true that Filipinos worship Pacman. There are a lot of people here who think that Manny has become mayabang (airy). True, he is a hero here but nobody worships him here... Except maybe PacDBest and his friends...

But what I'm trying to point out is that these people are not representative of my race. We are a proud people with a fighting tradition. Don't get let a few hecklers get to you.

[Mrboogie23]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


:nut :D

[kg0208]

Thou shall not touch PBF's nuts or else KG will defend it!!!

Wa sup KG, I haven't seen you joining our dicussion lately?

I think Pac is slighly underrated by most ESB members in terms of ATG matchup. Most of you favored retired & expired HOFamer like Gomez, Sanchez, against Pac. The reason here is because that's the only way they can win an argument coz they can't find one fighter right now to beat Pac. It terms of P4p ratings Pac should be higher than PBF coz Pac separate himself against co P4p & HOF competition. While PBF has a Close wins against Castillo & DLH.
Don't you ever call another poster a nuthugger.:deal

As for your stupidity....Yes, PBF has close wins over P4P competition. He also has no losses or draws. Can Pacman say the same? Ok then...moving on.

I don't join your discussions because you're a sack swinger and these are the same discussion you have in every thread, even when Pacman is not brought up. You try and guess who someone else's favorite fighter is, compare him to Pacman and then say they are a nuthugger just like you. Newsflash, join in another thread outside of Pacman and you will learn that some of us bash PBF and defend PBF. Each individual thread deserves individual answers. IE, Call PBF the greatest of all time, I will call you an IDIOT (just like I call you one for picking Pacman against everyone). Rank PBF outside of the current top 10 P4P and I will call you an idiot...it depends on the subject. Unlike you, I don't defend a fighter on every subject the exact same way.

PS. Plenty of posters have argued that Pacman would lose to Guzman, Diaz, Casamayor etc. So don't act like it's only PAST fighters they put him in the ring against. Oh ye of selective memory.

[PacDbest]

Actually it's not true that Filipinos worship Pacman. There are a lot of people here who think that Manny has become mayabang (airy). True, he is a hero here but nobody worships him here... Except maybe PacDBest and his friends...

But what I'm trying to point out is that these people are not representative of my race. We are a proud people with a fighting tradition. Don't get let a few hecklers get to you.

I don't worship Pac, Just a Big fan(in terms of Boxing). I even Pick Darlene against him and I'm Glad she won. I don't buy Pac CD or watch his Movies.

[Morrissey]

:patsch

Try to stay with me.

Pac had just made a name for himself by beating Barrera but he was still NOT a proven draw.

His next fight was against JMM which turned out to be a pretty good fight.

So now Marquez had a name, and still had the two belts.

A rematch seemed like a can't miss and would have drawn a good crowd.

By now JMM and his people feel they should be on equal footing with PAC(and rightfully so) and there should have been some kind of purse parity.

Bereinstein rejects the 700K since Pac was getting more than 1MIL.
so Arum decides not to play this game and offers the Morales fight.

JMM gets screwed, boxing fans get screwd and Pac(although he went on to lose to Morales) probably was saved from another JMM schooling.

Let's hope Arum doesn't pull the same crap after MAB/PAC 2.

I believe they were getting the same amount of money.

And for JMM, apparently, that was a gross injustice. Given his notoriety that time as a boring fighter who can't draw a fly in his fights, while knowing Pac was becoming the next big thing in boxing becasue of his sensational power, his team still felt they deserve better than Pac who arguably lifted that fight to the casual fans with the excitement he brought there.

[puga_ni_nana]

Man don't even waste your time arguing with a dumb pinoy. Pinoy brains are small as that of a fish.

Find me a good argument by any of these monkey people and I'd stop criticizing their stupidity.

All they can come up is stupid, non sense one liners, would you not agree?

Pinoys are dumb ass monkeys. Real simple. Don't even pay them any attention.

why you now that it was small as fish? did you see yours? :huh

[Morrissey]

Man don't even waste your time arguing with a dumb pinoy. Pinoy brains are small as that of a fish.

Find me a good argument by any of these monkey people and I'd stop criticizing their stupidity.

All they can come up is stupid, non sense one liners, would you not agree?

Pinoys are dumb ass monkeys. Real simple. Don't even pay them any attention.
STFU fuckin' noobie!!

[kg0208]

Valero is the most overrated fighter. I saw him fight a Japanese boxer, Ouhmo (If I'm not mistaken). He swings wildly which will make an easy target by Pac.

I don't agree with the assertion that we Pac fans consider him God and that he's unbeatable. But the most exciting fighter? Yes.

It is a FACT that many of the fans of Pacman here jump on you and say you are not respecting Pacman or are a hater if you don't pick him to beat someone.

Look at what PacDBest said to me when I simply said that Pacman is not the most underrated fighter on this board. How was that insulting? You're not underrated when the nearly the entire population rates you top 3 p4p. But he had to get pissy about it.

[Thinman]

Valero is the most overrated fighter. I saw him fight a Japanese boxer, Ouhmo (If I'm not mistaken). He swings wildly which will make an easy target by Pac.

I don't agree with the assertion that we Pac fans consider him God and that he's unbeatable. But the most exciting fighter? Yes.

Yes, I think he is. The same goes for Pac. Both Pac and Valero leave themselves open when attacking. I think Pac has a better defense, but they both make pretty much the same mistakes.

Any boxer who can take/avoid their punches and apply his skills, will beat them both.

Remember Trinidad against BHOP? What about Trinidad against Winky. Trinidad lost against two different styles/type of boxer. BHOP is the type of boxer that you and I might consider as elusive/defensive boxer while Winky is more of the type of boxer who can be right there in front of you and you cannot hit, because of his shell.

At the end, the result was the same. And this is something that could happen to Valero and Pac or any other boxer. They are lucky they don't have to fight boxers like that in their weightclass. :yep

[Ared]

I don't worship Pac, Just a Big fan(in terms of Boxing). I even Pick Darlene against him and I'm Glad she won. I don't buy Pac CD or watch his Movies.

Well man you do get a bit over board sometimes. Chilax lang pre.

[PATSYS]

Yes, I think he is. The same goes for Pac. Both Pac and Valero leave themselves open when attacking. I think Pac has a better defense, but they both make pretty much the same mistakes.

Any boxer who can take/avoid their punches and apply his skills, will beat them both.

Remember Trinidad against BHOP? What about Trinidad against Winky. Trinidad lost against two different styles/type of boxer. BHOP is the type of boxer that you and I might consider as elusive/defensive boxer while Winky is more of the type of boxer who can be right there in front of you and you cannot hit, because of his shell.

At the end, the result was the same. And this is something that could happen to Valero and Pac or any other boxer. They are lucky they don't have to fight boxers like that in their weightclass. :yep

So Pac leaves himself open but not one of the great fighters he beaten capitalized on it?

If you really believe in what you have said, then perhaps you know better than MAB, Morales, JMM, Ledwaba, Sasakul, Larios, Solis, etc? So maybe you should step up and show them how to do it? :yep

I think you are just waiting for Pac to show sign of being shot and when he gets defeated at the end of his career (as most figters eventually will), you will be jumping up and down and say "I told you so.."

:patsch :patsch

[GalangK]

The thing with Pac is that he is for now the BIG filipino name. A lot of people back home adore the man even though their boxing knowledge is limited (not to the point that they say he can fight Valuev or something). and they just started watching when Manny burst into the scene.

I was watching the man's progress before he was subbed in to fight Ledwaba and he didn't have the massive fan support he has now.

Maybe, if another filipino fighter comes up say Rey Bautista or even Nonito Donaire make a big name for themselves, the Pacquiao horde will be diminished a bit.

[Thinman]

So Pac leaves himself open but not one of the great fighters he beaten capitalized on it?

If you really believe in what you have said, then perhaps you know better than MAB, Morales, JMM, Ledwaba, Sasakul, Larios, Solis, etc? So maybe you should step up and show them how to do it? :yep

I think you are just waiting for Pac to show sign of being shot and when he gets defeated at the end of his career (as most figters eventually will), you will be jumping up and down and say "I told you so.."

:patsch :patsch

Their chin didn't help them. They were doing a good job (EM and JMM) and they capitilezed on that, but they didnt finish the job. What I am trying to say is that kind of boxers that are not too skillful can be taken apart by the type of boxers I mentioned. When boxers that rely more on their power don't get their opponents down, then it become difficult for them to get the victory, because they would have to outbox their opponents and that become a difficult task against boxers who rely on skills. It is just simple logic.

Why do you think some people think that Guzman coud beat Pac? I believe they think that he could beat him because they say he has a good chin. So, if his chin is great and he doesn't go down, then he has a chance because his style and hand speed etc etc. would/could trouble Pac. However, Guzman leaves himself open as well. He has the tendency to fight with his guard down.. so, that it is going to be interesting. You know what I mean?

[Marcelo]

Because Tito Failed with Winky, Hopkins & just Gifted a DLH win. While Cotto's Chin shows it's vulnerability. I like Cotto but still pick PBF over him. Now if we go all time, Do you think he can survive SRR, Duran, Hearns & Leonard????

Now if we are talking about Pac, He already shown how Great he is. And being a Filipino, I am very Proud of him. Is there any fighter out there where He is 4-1 Favorite against a Current top 10 p4p & future HOF in MAB???? The odds is like that because Pac beats HOFamers & P4P guys with Total destruction.

While some on the HOFs has been a Benificiary of Favorable Judging & officiating, Chavez-Whitaker & Taylor, SRL-Hagler/Hearns2, TIto-DLH, DLH-Quartey/Whitaker/sturm, PBF-Castillo1, to name a few. Pac was on the other side of this with unfavorable Draws with Sanchez & JMM. Now look at all Pac's Wins against the best. No controversy, Exciting Fights, Great KOs, No doubt he's the winner. And He wins by a Mile.

This is the Reason why I Pick Pac even with Best of all time. He's one of a KInd Fighter who fights the best of the best & win by a Mile. No ducking, No running, No Hugging just pure excitement & impressive showing. Can you Blame me if I become a so called Nuthugger????


True & Proud Pac nuthugger!!

[dangerousity]

I don't think Pac will ever fight Soto. Soto will be fed to either JMM of Guzman & will not win. He'll end up Fighting Bob pac in a rematch.

lol, pacdbest even called this one...

[bald_head_slick]

Because Tito Failed with Winky, Hopkins & just Gifted a DLH win. While Cotto's Chin shows it's vulnerability. I like Cotto but still pick PBF over him. Now if we go all time, Do you think he can survive SRR, Duran, Hearns & Leonard????

Now if we are talking about Pac, He already shown how Great he is. And being a Filipino, I am very Proud of him. Is there any fighter out there where He is 4-1 Favorite against a Current top 10 p4p & future HOF in MAB???? The odds is like that because Pac beats HOFamers & P4P guys with Total destruction.

While some on the HOFs has been a Benificiary of Favorable Judging & officiating, Chavez-Whitaker & Taylor, SRL-Hagler/Hearns2, TIto-DLH, DLH-Quartey/Whitaker/sturm, PBF-Castillo1, to name a few. Pac was on the other side of this with unfavorable Draws with Sanchez & JMM. Now look at all Pac's Wins against the best. No controversy, Exciting Fights, Great KOs, No doubt he's the winner. And He wins by a Mile.

This is the Reason why I Pick Pac even with Best of all time. He's one of a KInd Fighter who fights the best of the best & win by a Mile. No ducking, No running, No Hugging just pure excitement & impressive showing. Can you Blame me if I become a so called Nuthugger????

:lol:

-- ODLH - drained, lost to Mayweather
-- Hatton - KTFO by Mayweather
-- Cotto - KTFO by Margarito, drained
-- Clottey - Pac bought off his sparring partner, got a "bonus" for the WORST fight of his career
-- Margarito - KTFO by Mosley, drained, suspended
-- Mosley - dominated by Mayweather, fought to a draw with a guy now fighting on FNF's against a journeyman! :shock::lol:

Pac is fighting the BEST and there is no controversy... Because you are a Pactard. :deal:rofl

[amojuan50]

:lol:

-- ODLH - drained, lost to Mayweather
-- Hatton - KTFO by Mayweather
-- Cotto - KTFO by Margarito, drained
-- Clottey - Pac bought off his sparring partner, got a "bonus" for the WORST fight of his career
-- Margarito - KTFO by Mosley, drained, suspended
-- Mosley - dominated by Mayweather, fought to a draw with a guy now fighting on FNF's against a journeyman! :shock::lol:

Pac is fighting the BEST and there is no controversy... Because you are a Pactard. :deal:rofl

couldn't help yourself don't you? :lol::lol::lol:

[PIPO23]

First of all let me say that I actually like the guy, makes great fights, fears nobody, has a great fan base, good for the sport in general.

But.......



GODDAMNIT!!! :fire

His crazy fans are driving me crazy! They act as if he's unbeatable by anyone in the past, present or future. I wanna see him get fucked in the ring just to shut them up! It would be really sweet if MAB could do it, sadly he won't....

I just had to get this out of my chest.

Go climb a cocconut and jump!!

[TheDon]

God bless Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao.

[Jaguar]

Because Tito Failed with Winky, Hopkins & just Gifted a DLH win. While Cotto's Chin shows it's vulnerability. I like Cotto but still pick PBF over him. Now if we go all time, Do you think he can survive SRR, Duran, Hearns & Leonard????

Now if we are talking about Pac, He already shown how Great he is. And being a Filipino, I am very Proud of him. Is there any fighter out there where He is 4-1 Favorite against a Current top 10 p4p & future HOF in MAB???? The odds is like that because Pac beats HOFamers & P4P guys with Total destruction.

While some on the HOFs has been a Benificiary of Favorable Judging & officiating, Chavez-Whitaker & Taylor, SRL-Hagler/Hearns2, TIto-DLH, DLH-Quartey/Whitaker/sturm, PBF-Castillo1, to name a few. Pac was on the other side of this with unfavorable Draws with Sanchez & JMM. Now look at all Pac's Wins against the best. No controversy, Exciting Fights, Great KOs, No doubt he's the winner. And He wins by a Mile.

This is the Reason why I Pick Pac even with Best of all time. He's one of a KInd Fighter who fights the best of the best & win by a Mile. No ducking, No running, No Hugging just pure excitement & impressive showing. Can you Blame me if I become a so called Nuthugger????
Name "the best".

I'll give you
Morales
Barrera
Marquez (whom he lost to)
and even Larios
but the rest were not the best, at least not at their best.

[See Me Flow]

Manny PEDuiao

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Michael Buffer - Floyd is safer in jail
George Foreman - Manny doesn't need Floyd in his life
Robert Diaz - Manny is the best fighter in the world
Jim Lampley - Manny Paqiuao is a storm
Larry Merchant - Death by a thousand left hands
Floyd Sr. - I fear for my son's life
Antonio Tarver - You got any excuses tonight Roy

[_Duran_]

:lol::lol::lol:

wow this thread was centuries ago...

flomos couldnt help themselves commenting to this thread. what a bunch of losers

[bballchump11]

Thou shall not touch PBF's nuts or else KG will defend it!!!

Wa sup KG, I haven't seen you joining our dicussion lately?

I think Pac is slighly underrated by most ESB members in terms of ATG matchup. Most of you favored retired & expired HOFamer like Gomez, Sanchez, against Pac. The reason here is because that's the only way they can win an argument coz they can't find one fighter right now to beat Pac. It terms of P4p ratings Pac should be higher than PBF coz Pac separate himself against co P4p & HOF competition. While PBF has a Close wins against Castillo & DLH.
lol shut up you banished Pactard. Floyd had 2 close fights and Manny has 3 losses and another controversial win

[slugger3000]

lol shut up you banished Pactard. Floyd had 2 close fights and Manny has 3 losses and another controversial win
Damn your fishing up some old shit!

[bballchump11]

Damn your fishing up some old shit!
:lol: lol I felt dumb replying to it too

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[PH|LLA]

they still havent learned

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I feel sorry for Floyd!!:roll: Dont worry Floyd.... You might have an invitation in 5 years time!! For the mean time just sell those No Name Soda!! Ohh I mean the Pussy Juice Soda!!

[Marcelo]

Michael Buffer - Floyd is safer in jail
George Foreman - Manny doesn't need Floyd in his life
Robert Diaz - Manny is the best fighter in the world
Jim Lampley - Manny Paqiuao is a storm
Larry Merchant - Death by a thousand left hands
Floyd Sr. - I fear for my son's life
Antonio Tarver - You got any excuses tonight Roy

That one is the best!!!:rofl

[Marcelo]

lol shut up you banished Pactard. Floyd had 2 close fights and Manny has 3 losses and another controversial win


So where's Floyd now?? Selling cheap ass Soda rather than making $40M ?? You're sucking a tiny little Dick my friend!!:lol:

[bballchump11]

So where's Floyd now?? Selling cheap ass Soda rather than making $40M ?? You're sucking a tiny little Dick my friend!!:lol:
are you insinuating that you suck a big one :rofl:huh

[Jaguar]

are you insinuating that you suck a big one :rofl:huh
:rofl

[caneman]

Because Tito Failed with Winky, Hopkins & just Gifted a DLH win. While Cotto's Chin shows it's vulnerability. I like Cotto but still pick PBF over him. Now if we go all time, Do you think he can survive SRR, Duran, Hearns & Leonard????

Now if we are talking about Pac, He already shown how Great he is. And being a Filipino, I am very Proud of him. Is there any fighter out there where He is 4-1 Favorite against a Current top 10 p4p & future HOF in MAB???? The odds is like that because Pac beats HOFamers & P4P guys with Total destruction.

While some on the HOFs has been a Benificiary of Favorable Judging & officiating, Chavez-Whitaker & Taylor, SRL-Hagler/Hearns2, TIto-DLH, DLH-Quartey/Whitaker/sturm, PBF-Castillo1, to name a few. Pac was on the other side of this with unfavorable Draws with Sanchez & JMM. Now look at all Pac's Wins against the best. No controversy, Exciting Fights, Great KOs, No doubt he's the winner. And He wins by a Mile.

This is the Reason why I Pick Pac even with Best of all time. He's one of a KInd Fighter who fights the best of the best & win by a Mile. No ducking, No running, No Hugging just pure excitement & impressive showing. Can you Blame me if I become a so called Nuthugger????

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Name "the best".

I'll give you
Morales
Barrera
Marquez (whom he lost to)
and even Larios
but the rest were not the best, at least not at their best.
I'm still waiting. Can any Pactard answer this?

[caneman]

Name "the best".

I'll give you
Morales
Barrera
Marquez (whom he lost to)
and even Larios
but the rest were not the best, at least not at their best.

I'm still waiting. Can any Pactard answer this?

Ricky Hatton

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ATTENTION! This thread made 2-15-2008, 2 months after Floyd KO'd Hatton. Yet, NO pre-excuses were made that Hatton was shot and his chin softened. 95% still picked Hatton by brutal KO!

Hatton by KO... 140 is too much for Manny no matter how good he is... how good he is will be a tough question after March 15th as JMM will outbox him this time (as well).

Hatton - too strong, would get in close to Pacquiao and get the better of him as Pacquiao needs more room to operate.

Hatton and it wouldn't las too long.

Hatton easily, I don't even know why there's talk of this. Even if Pacquiao had more time to move up in weight I still see it going for Hatton but he plans 1 fight at 135 and then to Hatton at 140? no chance. JMM himself is going to be enough trouble and they're in the same weight class.

Rumble for four rounds before Ricky knocks him clean out.

In reality, a mismatch.

Hatton. Easy fight too.

Will still be attractive though, even if it is a mismatch.

Hatton would mug him.

manny gets owned. if he handles the wieght well, manny gets owned in an all action wicked battle.

Hatton would shatter his ribs literally.

Damn . . . here we go again . . . Hatton will maul Pac and send him to the hospital in a strecher.

hatton wins...probably early...

I have a hard time believing Pacquiao will be somewhat successful at lightweight. Bigger men, bigger gloves, young champions, and he doesn't have the skill to make a big dent in higher weight classes. 140 is just too much and if it happens, its Hatton by KO and to cash the big check for the medical bills.

Pac would get the crap beaten out of him :good

Hatton KO

hatton ko in 4

Hatton would be way to strong for Pac. Hatton by KO.

Hatton, no doubt at all. Mid-round TKO.

No way he can beat Hatton at 140.

Hatton would dominate Pacquiao. A big mismatch

Well sorry to burst your bubble but hatton will ko him in 10.


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cotto destroys
Cotto steamrolls Pac
No,not really as Cotto would beat him bad.Unlike DLH Cotto is in his prime and will have a big size advantage over Pac

One body shot from cotto and its all over

Cotto by KO. It wont be pretty

Anybody who picks Pacquiao in this fight at either 147 or 140 loses all credibility as a result.

i would watch and cotto would win.


other than that, Cotto destroys Pac.

normally i wouldnt wanna see Pac get destroyed but....if it's Cotto doing the job, i'd pay money to see it

it'd be an entertaining fight while it lasts but cotto ko's him within 6/7 rounds

I'd pick Cotto but it's not as bad as what I once thought. Since watching the De La Hoya beat down I'd say Pac's boxing skills would allow him to compete and fair well against Cotto. Cotto is open to the left hand as demonstrated by Judah so Pac would be able to find openings. In the end Cotto would show Pac what it really means to fight at welter weight and fully use his size and strength advantages to prevail.

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PC: Was coming down to 145 tougher than you thought it would be since you hadn’t weighed 145 or less since 2006?

MC: I felt really good at that weight. It wasn’t a problem for me.

[GTWOSIX]

pac fans on youtube are possibly the stupid muythafuckas on earth, some make full blown crack heads sound reasonable.

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PC: Was coming down to 145 tougher than you thought it would be since you hadn’t weighed 145 or less since 2006?

MC: I felt really good at that weight. It wasn’t a problem for me.

OWNED!!!:rofl

[Boom_Boom]

lol shut up you banished Pactard. Floyd had 2 close fights and Manny has 3 losses and another controversial win

Idiot..talking to a guy that hasnt been here for years. :patsch

[Marcelo]

Idiot..talking to a guy that hasnt been here for years. :patsch

Here's I found some from Pacdbest after his vanishment from ESB! You guy wondered where KG, Brooklyn, acb went?? They made threir own forum, My boxing forum.com. Pacd made some predictions there before he was banned permanently there too!!

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Re: Is Manny Pacquiao The Best Boxer Since RJJ? Yes or No?
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Shane has Burst speed. Pac has constant speed. When Shane tires... That's when Pac will attack. Cotto will be an easy one for Pac. Mosley will be a little harder coz he has a Chin to go all the way.

[Scar]

First of all let me say that I actually like the guy, makes great fights, fears nobody, has a great fan base, good for the sport in general.

But.......



GODDAMNIT!!! :fire

His crazy fans are driving me crazy! They act as if he's unbeatable by anyone in the past, present or future. I wanna see him get fucked in the ring just to shut them up! It would be really sweet if MAB could do it, sadly he won't....

I just had to get this out of my chest.

Keep dreaming. He is one of the greatest whether you want to accept it or not, the greatest of this generation and one of the greatest all-time.

[Marcelo]

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Here'e the link, this was after Pac KO Hatton!!

[Marcelo]

Keep dreaming. He is one of the greatest whether you want to accept it or not, the greatest of this generation and one of the greatest all-time.

You are a true boxing Fan!! but who u love more Pac or Floyd??

[Marcelo]

How about this?? I wanna see if he actually did the Pacd tattoo!!

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Originally Posted by smoochp
LOL Jecx, I never said Pac will win. But if he did omg
Fuck, if Pacquiao won..wow. I'd get "PACDBEST" tattooed in a heart along my forearm.

[caneman]

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Here'e the link, this was after Pac KO Hatton!!

:lol: I think I'll stay on ESB. Low participation in that forum. I guess the founders feel safe from being owned over there. The scene gave my work PC a virus. Damn that site! :twisted:

[Marcelo]

:lol: I think I'll stay on ESB. Low participation in that forum. I guess the founders feel safe from being owned over there. The scene gave my work PC a virus. Damn that site! :twisted:

True, scene give me virus many times!!

MBF used to be busy until Pacd's predictions came true one by one!! They's too embarrased to show up there. They're probably back here again with a diffrent name!

[PIPO23]

You are a true boxing Fan!! but who u love more Pac or Floyd??

That's a mystery to me he loves Pac but has a floyd avatar it's a tough decision.

[nuketurnal]

this thread is fresh

[EJDiaZ]

Di pa kayo inaantok?

[Boom_Boom]

Pacquiao's fans are the best thing about him :)

[Bub]

Concentrate on the fighter not his fans.

[bballchump11]

Pacquiao's fans are the best thing about him :)
:rofl:lol::rofl:lol::rofl

[pejevan]

That's a mystery to me he loves Pac but has a floyd avatar it's a tough decision.


Knowing Scar's history, I am 100 per cent sure Gayweather.

[pejevan]

:rofl:lol::rofl:lol::rofl

A newbie with 3,500 posts in 3 months.

How can you still type with Gayweather's balls in your face?:p:tong

GET A LIFE oe BUY ONE.

[bballchump11]

A newbie with 3,500 posts in 3 months.

How can you still type with Gayweather's balls in your face?:p:tong

GET A LIFE oe BUY ONE.
Lol I go to college son and I typed out a lot of bullshit to get those numbers:good