Calzaghe is way overrated.

[Shane]

And calling out old man Hopkins solidifies it. he beat an unproven fighter in lacy and he got praised like he had just beat Ali in his prime. and kessler was just mediocre at best. why does he refuse to call out the real threats like pavlik , dawson , any many others calzaghe will most likely retire after getting a UD over the old man and be called an ATG :-(

[bronx]

Although, I think Calzaghe has to be the favorite in this fight just as were Tarver, Trinidad and even Wright by a small margin, we should all remember that Bernard Hopkins has proved people wrong again and again. I would never bet against Bernard Hopkins again. That man is nothing short of the truth. If Calzaghe thinks that this is going to be easy he has another thing coming.

[TomaTos]

Kessler mediocre ? I dont see any fighter except Calzaghe from 160 to 175 that can beat him.

[am0kgonzo]

Kessler mediocre ? I dont see any fighter except Calzaghe from 160 to 175 that can beat him.

Dawson would beat him, imo.

But Kessler would probably beat the rest.

[albeziel]

overrated by defending his title all this years and without a loss in all his career, don't think so, but I do believe that the quality of opposition hasn't been that great, Kessler was good but his biggest test will be B-hop no doubt.

[Drexl]

And calling out old man Hopkins solidifies it. he beat an unproven fighter in lacy and he got praised like he had just beat Ali in his prime. and kessler was just mediocre at best. why does he refuse to call out the real threats like pavlik , dawson , any many others calzaghe will most likely retire after getting a UD over the old man and be called an ATG :-(

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[MancMexican]

Take more meds

[bratwurzt]

Same format, you read a fuckwit thread started by a total tit, look to the left and see a Mayweather Avatar.
Is he the linear champion of retards or something?

[FlatNose]

Way over rated? I only hear Joe referred to as the top 168 pounder today, a claim that can't be disputed right now. Everybody was swinging on Jeff lacys nuts pre-Calzaghe, so when he lost badly, he became a bum, or so it is said.
Joe outboxed Kessler too, even though the Danes performance was a very good one. I don't hear Joe making the claims that Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather make of themselves. In fact, for one of the top ten guys in the world today, he's pretty laid back. So this unsolicited, obviously biased thread is nothing more than the predictable trash talk of a Mayweather fan, who , for some reason resents the success of someone who doesn't act like an ignorant street punk.

[fidds]

And calling out old man Hopkins solidifies it. he beat an unproven fighter in lacy and he got praised like he had just beat Ali in his prime. and kessler was just mediocre at best. why does he refuse to call out the real threats like pavlik , dawson , any many others calzaghe will most likely retire after getting a UD over the old man and be called an ATG :-(

No you just way underrate him :tired

[cougnuts510]

over 20 title defences and he's over rated lol face it calzaghe is great

[THN]

No he's way underrated!

[ManOnFire]

yep your right he is great..obviously the clown who posted this thread is blind or knows nothing about boxing..calzaghe to dominate hopkins maybe even stop him :shock:

[jc]

For years, Joe Calzaghe was the most underrated champion in boxing. Its only the last few years that people have really started to sit up and take notice. Better late than never.

I did prefer being a JC fan when we were an intelligent miniroty sect, now he has become more universally popular he has more of a moron following...swings and roundabouts i guess.:D

[TFFP]

For years, Joe Calzaghe was the most underrated champion in boxing. Its only the last few years that people have really started to sit up and take notice. Better late than never.

I did prefer being a JC fan when we were an intelligent miniroty sect, now he has become more universally popular he has more of a moron following...swings and roundabouts i guess.:D
Yep

It's like when you think you've unearthed a beauty of a song that nobody has heard, then a few months later every cnut has it on their iPod

[saul_ir34]

Actually he is way underrated. If Calzhage has a good night there is not one guy out there that can beat him. Its almost as if he is in another level.
I never realized that till he fought Kessler who was a real threat.

[inchpunch]

Something interesting unique to boxing fans is that when someone doesn't have something like a win over Ali in his resume, he can't get respect with some people. Being undefeated for 17 years in a sport, amateurs and pros combined, is a greater accomplishment than a win over a fighter with great name recognition. Many good, not even great boxers beat an ATG at some point in history. You may come up with a gameplan to expose a weakness in a star fighter, like Schmeling against Louis. You may come up with one all - time heroic effort against a great fighter who got distracted before the bout, like Douglas - Tyson. Many did someting like that, but how many fighters remained undefeated since age 17 and defended their title for ten years? Besides, Eubank, Reid and Kessler are very good fighters, except RJJ, I cannot see any other MW beat all three of them clearly.

[TFFP]

Something interesting unique to boxing fans is that when someone doesn't have something like a win over Ali in his resume, he can't get respect with some people. Being undefeated for 17 years in a sport, amateurs and pros combined, is a greater accomplishment than a win over a fighter with great name recognition. Many good, not even great boxers beat an ATG at some point in history. You may come up with a gameplan to expose a weakness in a star fighter, like Schmeling against Louis. You may come up with one all - time heroic effort against a great fighter who got distracted before the bout, like Douglas - Tyson. Many did someting like that, but how many fighters remained undefeated since age 17 and defended their title for ten years? Besides, Eubank, Reid and Kessler are very good fighters, except RJJ, I cannot see any other MW beat all three of them clearly.
Excellent post

To be defeated for 17 years is incredible, no matter how people try to spin it

[Betty Swollocks]

a faded and weight-drained Eubank
Sheika and Woodhall
Edged a controvertial decision over Reid
B level Lacy (yes many were making him out to be special before the fight, some of us know he was being overhyped..see his fight with Sheika)
Kessler - he's good, but how good we still don't know. Calzaghe's legacy will be affected by how well Kessler does from now.

those are the big wins.
Calzaghe is very good. Is he being overrated now? Absolutely.

[LeadLeftHook]

Hes not overrated, he his the best in the division right now. Only thing is he never too on the best when he shouldve few yrs ago. Right now he beats Hopkins, but a 43 yr old Hopkins who is shell of himself.

[MasterCalzaghe]

And calling out old man Hopkins solidifies it

You realize Joe has been calling him out for well over half a decade and that Hopkins was the one running right?

That's 1826+ days or 260+ weeks at the absolute minimum.

[peter5]

Yep

It's like when you think you've unearthed a beauty of a song that nobody has heard, then a few months later every cnut has it on their iPod

I was thinking of exactly the same comparison myself! :lol: Its a shame so many people have suddenly opened their eyes at the same time:yep

[Bomber]

Overrated? All depends on how the consensus that views such things deem his actual talents to be. If some turned round and said he is the greatest fighter ever that would be overrated. If on the other hand like a section of American fans ( Not the educated US fans just that fanboy/narrowminded group) think, he is a punk fool with no skills, that would be under rated.

The reality is though that Calzaghe is a phenom. He is a top quality elite fighter who has performed very well for a number of years. Along with these skills, he has been avoided by a few greats along the way.

So with things in perspective, one can say he isnt overrated. Its only a number of dim witted fools who out of a perverse jingoistic mindset try and drag down his name as a fighter with illogical arguments based around their own insecurities and a deep seated need to be noticed. The great sadness is that this group of people deep down know they talk shit but cant quite get out of the retarded fog of stupidity.

[FRKO]

Threads like this make me mad. You don't see the talent in Calzaghe? Then go watch another sport. Clearly, boxing isn't your thing and you don't know shit about it.

[C HOP]

Threads like this make me mad. You don't see the talent in Calzaghe? Then go watch another sport. Clearly, boxing isn't your thing and you don't know shit about it.

why make a idiotic thread like this! anybody with a eye for boxing can see calzaghe is a great fighter!

Sugar Ray leonard
Jermain Taylor
RJJ
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
even mike tyson all said calzaghe was a great fighter

[PhillyShell]

Something interesting unique to boxing fans is that when someone doesn't have something like a win over Ali in his resume, he can't get respect with some people. Being undefeated for 17 years in a sport, amateurs and pros combined, is a greater accomplishment than a win over a fighter with great name recognition. Many good, not even great boxers beat an ATG at some point in history. You may come up with a gameplan to expose a weakness in a star fighter, like Schmeling against Louis. You may come up with one all - time heroic effort against a great fighter who got distracted before the bout, like Douglas - Tyson. Many did someting like that, but how many fighters remained undefeated since age 17 and defended their title for ten years? Besides, Eubank, Reid and Kessler are very good fighters, except RJJ, I cannot see any other MW beat all three of them clearly.i disagree. defeating 17 years worth of tomato cans (i'm not saying calzaghe did that, i'm just using an example) is not a a greater accomplishment that beating a highly skilled fighter.

[Boxer-puncher]

Calzaghe is just a victim of his weak era but he's certainly not overrated.. He's done all he can and he's worthy..

[Zakman]

On the contrary, if anything - he's underrated.

[Fab2333]

On the contrary, if anything - he's underrated.

I dont think so, he is right where he needs 2 b.

Reason why I say that is, if people are going to say Roy Jones fought bums and he didnt beat no1.
But then say Calzaghe is a beast, I dot understand that. If people judge RJ and talk about his resume, then wat do you say about Calzaghe's?

[Shane]

Calzaghe does not deserve to be in the top ten pound for pound rankings. He has yet to defeat a top 10 pound for pound boxer, unlike some of the greats like mayweather, pacquiao ,marquez ,hopkins and many more.

He also had never won a title out of his weight class witch he has sat in his whole career.

Boxer's of that caliber who have proven they can beat other pound for pound boxers should be rated above someone who sat in his backyard and never beat a top ten boxer his entire career.

What ever happened to the theory (To be the best you have to beat the best.)

[Orishaman]

He just might be overated, but at this point on his carreer, he will defeat BHop and RJJ and who ever will choose to cross path with him south of 175lbs

[Paulie]

Why not Bute instead of Hopkins ? For the money ? I'm sure Calzaghe is already millionaire and a bit timid...

[Shake]

I dont think so, he is right where he needs 2 b.

Reason why I say that is, if people are going to say Roy Jones fought bums and he didnt beat no1.
But then say Calzaghe is a beast, I dot understand that. If people judge RJ and talk about his resume, then wat do you say about Calzaghe's?

Almost everyone I've spoken to agree that Calzaghe as a whole is not greater than RJ. Then again, who is? So I don't quite get your point. It's exactly because RJ was so good and so recognised that people wanted him to seek out challenges.

JC had it a little tougher since he had less star power and couldn't make many matches, but he could have been more agressive in getting recognised in the States.

Still, at the end of the day, anyone but Stevie Wonder can see they're both tremendous boxers.

[sugarngold]

Calzaghe does not deserve to be in the top ten pound for pound rankings. He has yet to defeat a top 10 pound for pound boxer, unlike some of the greats like mayweather, pacquiao ,marquez ,hopkins and many more.

He also had never won a title out of his weight class witch he has sat in his whole career.

Boxer's of that caliber who have proven they can beat other pound for pound boxers should be rated above someone who sat in his backyard and never beat a top ten boxer his entire career.

What ever happened to the theory (To be the best you have to beat the best.)

This is nonsense. Joe Calzaghe is masterclass plain and simple. He deserves a higher ranking P4P than he usually gets. All any fighter can do is defeat the men in front of him and Calzaghe has defeated everyone in his division for many years at the highest level available to him. Some fighters can't even make it through training for year after year - much less continually defend a championship belt for a record number of occassions. Calzaghe is due for greatness. There are still plenty of fighters available to give him the opportunities to cement his legacy.

[MasterCalzaghe]

When Joe loses you can call him overated. Until then expect to see picture perfect pugulism from the best there ever was or will be.

[Ilesey]

And calling out old man Hopkins solidifies it. he beat an unproven fighter in lacy and he got praised like he had just beat Ali in his prime. and kessler was just mediocre at best. why does he refuse to call out the real threats like pavlik , dawson , any many others calzaghe will most likely retire after getting a UD over the old man and be called an ATG :-(

Ummmmmmm

Nah, I don't think I'll even bother.

:patsch

[bxrfan]

Joe Calzaghe's status right now is right where it should be IMO.

[brooklyn1550]

Only an idiot says Kessler is mediocre

[Amsterdam]

At best, Joe is still slightly underrated. Getting recognition of course, but most boxing fans don't realise how good he really is. He's clearly the most versatile fighter of this era.

[TFFP]

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Which is better I hear you ask?

Joe Calzaghe.

[Amsterdam]

Calzaghe does not deserve to be in the top ten pound for pound rankings. He has yet to defeat a top 10 pound for pound boxer, unlike some of the greats like mayweather, pacquiao ,marquez ,hopkins and many more.

He also had never won a title out of his weight class witch he has sat in his whole career.

Boxer's of that caliber who have proven they can beat other pound for pound boxers should be rated above someone who sat in his backyard and never beat a top ten boxer his entire career.

What ever happened to the theory (To be the best you have to beat the best.)

Kessler is mediocre....

But Hatton at 147 is a supernatural elite?

Trinidad at 160 the same?:yep

Hilarious enough, Hopkins was competitive with a prime Jones and then carved through the MW brackets like a hot knife through butter and it took beating an overrated former Welter for him to get his recognition as one of the best around from the idiot boxing establishment. Jones left the division, Hopkins stayed, Hopkins couldn't beat the best because he was the best and cutting through most of the division's comp barely dropping a round proved that, much like Calzaghe has done.

[PrideOfWales]

At best, Joe is still slightly underrated. Getting recognition of course, but most boxing fans don't realise how good he really is. He's clearly the most versatile fighter of this era.

It's unfortunate, Amsterdam, that most people will not be able to understand this post. To these most, Joe Calzaghe's career started when he fought Jeff Lacy. The most can only call a fighter a bum or an exceptional talent. The most pidgeon hole boxers in two categories: under-rated or over-rated.

[MasterCalzaghe]

Kessler is mediocre....

But Hatton at 147 is a supernatural elite?

Trinidad at 160 the same?:yep

Hilarious enough, Hopkins was competitive with a prime Jones and then carved through the MW brackets like a hot knife through butter and it took beating an overrated former Welter for him to get his recognition as one of the best around from the idiot boxing establishment. Jones left the division, Hopkins stayed, Hopkins couldn't beat the best because he was the best and cutting through most of the division's comp barely dropping a round proved that, much like Calzaghe has done.

Wholly agree here although you did leave out the fact Joe is simply superior to Hopkins let us not forget this fact.

[brooklyn1550]

To these most, Joe Calzaghe's career started when he fought Jeff Lacy.

Exactly

I don't think people give him enough credit for his wins over other very solid fighters. I'm not going to say he fought truly great competition, but he fought good competition.

[TFFP]

Funnily enough, Lacy was less competetive than all these so called "Euro bums"

The American hype machine...bullshiters the lot of ya

[Amsterdam]

It's unfortunate, Amsterdam, that most people will not be able to understand this post. To these most, Joe Calzaghe's career started when he fought Jeff Lacy. The most can only call a fighter a bum or an exceptional talent. The most pidgeon hole boxers in two categories: under-rated or over-rated.

Well, many also can't watch a bout and see for themselves how good a fighter is. Even against poor opposition, serious flaws show up. Kessler has very few and they call him mediocre, yet then hype up jokes like Jorge Linares who will never be anything significant, oh, and Paul Williams.:yep

The best win of 2007 was Calzaghe UD Kessler, nobody else in 2007 had a win over a better and more complete fighter. Though, guys like Mijares and Guzman are certainly superior to Kessler P4P by a healthy margin, but nobody beat anyone in this realm in 2007 except for Calzaghe.

Becoming the first Undisputed champ in a division is a historical mark also, yet who was fighter of the year?:yep

The guy who beat an old DLH in a shit fight and beat an overrated Hatton in another shit fight that had an explosive end.:yep

[bxrfan]

Exactly

I don't think people give him enough credit for his wins over other very solid fighters. I'm not going to say he fought truly great competition, but he fought good competition.

Agreed.

[Amsterdam]

Exactly

I don't think people give him enough credit for his wins over other very solid fighters. I'm not going to say he fought truly great competition, but he fought good competition.

And they don't give any credit on HOW he beat them. Who else TKO'd Byron Mitchell early?:yep

Anybody else starch Veit in a round?:yep

Anybody else crucify Eubank like that?:yep

Anybody else batter Mkrtchian like that?:yep

Anybody ever battered anybody as bad as Lacy got battered in recent times?:yep

[bxrfan]

And they don't give any credit on HOW he beat them. Who else TKO'd Byron Mitchell early?:yep

Anybody else starch Veit in a round?:yep

Anybody else crucify Eubank like that?:yep

Anybody else batter Mkrtchian like that?:yep

Anybody ever battered anybody as bad as Lacy got battered in recent times?:yep

All facts :deal

[brooklyn1550]

And they don't give any credit on HOW he beat them. Who else TKO'd Byron Mitchell early?:yep

Anybody else starch Veit in a round?:yep

Anybody else crucify Eubank like that?:yep

Anybody else batter Mkrtchian like that?:yep

Anybody ever battered anybody as bad as Lacy got battered in recent times?:yep

The thing that impressed me the most is TKOing Byron Mitchell in 2 rounds. Very noteworthy feat, especially considering Mitchell had never been stopped and also Calzaghe having been dropped in the round he later came back to get the TKO.

[PrideOfWales]

The thing I like most about Joe is that he acknowledges his faults. He knows he can be hot headed. He knows it's silly to trade with a big puncher in the 12th round when he's comfortably ahead on the cards. He knows he can't punch at full power. He knows he's getting old. In spite of these faults, he's moulded himself into the being he is now.

[Amsterdam]

The thing that impressed me the most is TKOing Byron Mitchell in 2 rounds. Very noteworthy feat, especially considering Mitchell had never been stopped and also Calzaghe having been dropped in the round he later came back to get the TKO.

Worst part about that is that if fights were judged in non-corrupt form, Mitchell would have had the title from Ottke to unify vs. Joe.

Because Mitchell no longer had the title, idiots say 'Ottke's leavings', as if Ottke even deserved the decision. Yet Calzaghe fights the same fighter that Ottke faces and destroys him, nearly takes him out in the 1st, was throwing him around like a rag doll.

Anybody can take a look at Mitchell's record, was competitive with the best in the division at that time and Calzaghe shredded him in a mind numbing display that was near perfection aside from the knockdown that Mitchell scored against Joe.

Joe's a fucking fighter, yet people question his balls and heart.:yep

[Punisher33]

I think Calzaghe was underrated by so many in the boxing community for so long, I guess he deserves to be a little overrated now. Cazaghe is a good fighter, but he hasnt beat the right fighters to be considered a great fighter. Lacy was a overhyped fighter who possessed a one dimensional attack that was easily exposed by the better fighter in Calzaghe, but judging by Lacys last 2 fights he cant even be considered a good fighter IMO.

Time will tell what Calzaghe can do in the future to make up for lost time, but Hopkins is certainly a good start for him, at least then if he wins he will have 1 great fighter on resume.

[ron u.k.]

And calling out old man Hopkins solidifies it. he beat an unproven fighter in lacy and he got praised like he had just beat Ali in his prime. and kessler was just mediocre at best. why does he refuse to call out the real threats like pavlik , dawson , any many others calzaghe will most likely retire after getting a UD over the old man and be called an ATG :-(another plonker.

[Lance_Uppercut]

He's WAAAAAY overrated on this message board.... But then again, who isn't?

I don't think Calzaghe is overrated in the boxing world.

[Lance_Uppercut]

And they don't give any credit on HOW he beat them. Who else TKO'd Byron Mitchell early?:yep

Anybody else starch Veit in a round?:yep

Anybody else crucify Eubank like that?:yep

Anybody else batter Mkrtchian like that?:yep

Anybody ever battered anybody as bad as Lacy got battered in recent times?:yep

:lol:
Mkrtchian?
Veit?

You're such a fuckin tool...

[chimba]

Joe Calzaghe is neither Overrated nor Underrated. He is exactly where he is behind Floyd but top 5 p4p in the world.

How does this thread get started? MKessler mediocre...??

[drvooh]

Dawson would beat him, imo.

But Kessler would probably beat the rest. I almost agree, but I think Kessler would KO Dawson ( MAYbe )

[cardstars]

I was going to say something,,,,but realized I am wasting my time on this thread :D

[Toopretty]

Kessler was fucking predictable and is a robot. He is a good robot like Wlad but he is very beatable. Calzaghe is a great fighter but not above any that had there shine before him actually facing other very good to great fighters like the James Toneys and the Roy Jones and the Mayweathers. Calzaghe is a fucking towel boy compared to these guys b/c he fought garbage ass guys and Lacy was fucking garbage which shows how WEAK 168 really was if this no-left hook bum can run through in less then 20 fights and pick up a title.

[RafaelGonzal]

The truth is Joe C is really in a no win situation, if he gets beat he will be labled overrated and if he wins they will say he beat on old Bhop. There is not much of an upside here for Joe C. Hopkins is a brand name and even an old Bhop is a live body tricky and crafty as ever. This is the first real test for Joe C againts a proven commodity.

[Punisher33]

The truth is Joe C is really in a no win situation, if he gets beat he will be labled overrated and if he wins they will say he beat on old Bhop. There is not much of an upside here for Joe C. Hopkins is a brand name and even an old Bhop is a live body tricky and crafty as ever. This is the first real test for Joe C againts a proven commodity. Exactly, I got this fight at a 60/40 for Calzaghe, by no means is this going to be easy for him. Hopkins is a seasoned vet who knows all tricks and will fight just as dirty as Calzaghe if not more, but the only gain for Calzaghe win be a ATG on his resume, something he hasnt yet got in his long reign as a WBO champ.

[chimba]

The truth is Joe C is really in a no win situation, if he gets beat he will be labled overrated and if he wins they will say he beat on old Bhop. There is not much of an upside here for Joe C. Hopkins is a brand name and even an old Bhop is a live body tricky and crafty as ever. This is the first real test for Joe C againts a proven commodity.

This is quite a recurring problem for fighters who havent fought anyone above B level fighters. You can go 100 and 0 and you will be questioned

A big reason why fighters should override their handlers decision and make a big fight happen. It aint hard

As with Joe, Hamed, DM, most Thai fighters...their legacy will always be in question. No fault but their own though

[uppa kut]

If anything Calzaghe was underrated for 95% of his career. Now he's enjoying recognition he should have received earlier.