was a kostya tszyu

[rendog67]

De la hoya matchup ever talked about being made. Cant remember would have been some fight

[Relentless]

de la hoya would have beat his ass worse than vince phillip

[cuzzinelias]

DLH avoided Tszyu like the plague, he's even admitted being afraid of KT

[joito3]

DLH would had knocked tzyu out within 3 rounds...Tzyu is vastly overrated and I'm not a DLH hugger either !

[Relentless]

DLH avoided Tszyu like the plague, he's even admitted being afraid of KT

no he didn't

i guess shane mosley also avoided him too?

[cuzzinelias]

no he didn't

i guess shane mosley also avoided him too?

Nosley skipped the entire 140 division to avoid KT

[See Me Flow]

Nosley skipped the entire 140 division to avoid KT

:nono

[Relentless]

Nosley skipped the entire 140 division to avoid KT

who is the best fighter KT beat????

oh no dont tell me, dont tell me..................sharmba mitchell??? oh no its actually....


























sharmba mitchell

[dangerousity]

who is the best fighter KT beat????

oh no dont tell me, dont tell me..................sharmba mitchell??? oh no its actually....






sharmba mitchell

He KTFO Judah inside 2 rounds. The guy in your avatar you are seriously hyping up and is probably my 2nd favourite fighter by the way took a good 11 rounds.

[cuzzinelias]

who is the best fighter KT beat????

oh no dont tell me, dont tell me..................sharmba mitchell??? oh no its actually....


I'm not sure why I'm bothering with a halfwit sharmook like yourself, but anyway... destroying an undefeated Judah is pretty impressive, he gave Urtkal his first defeat, raped JCC like nobody else, spanked olympic gold medallist Hurtado.. And keep in mind he wasn't babied & brought along slowly like these other girls, he was fighting decent opposition from his first pro fight.

There's not a 140 ever in existance who would beat KT at his best

[Relentless]

anyone can catch anyone with a lucky shot, just watch lewis vs rahman 1, judah was outboxing him, if judah is the best fighter on both cotto and KT's record then aren't they equal?

[Relentless]

I'm not sure why I'm bothering with a halfwit sharmook like yourself, but anyway... destroying an undefeated Judah is pretty impressive, he gave Urtkal his first defeat, raped JCC like nobody else, spanked olympic gold medallist Hurtado.. And keep in mind he wasn't babied & brought along slowly like these other girls, he was fighting decent opposition from his first pro fight.

There's not a 140 ever in existance who would beat KT at his best

you mean he wasn't at his best when vincent spanked his ass?

[madpup]

Relentless....you are deluded. KT strength has always been his power and ability to time his punches. He did exactly that to Judah. How is that a lucky shot?

[rekcutnevets]

There was talk of Tszyu and De la Hoya around the time that Oscar fought Miguel Angel Gonzalez. Tszyu hit his opponent after the bell on the undercard of de la Hoya/Gonzalez, and received a NC for it. Then Tszyu lost to Vince Phillips in his next fight, and the talk of Oscar went away.

[See Me Flow]

There's not a 140 ever in existance who would beat KT at his best

DLH, PBF and SSM. Oh, I almost forgot about KT's daddy...



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[See Me Flow]

"Tszyu is out on his feet."

:yep

[Relentless]

I'm not sure why I'm bothering with a halfwit sharmook like yourself, but anyway... destroying an undefeated Judah is pretty impressive, he gave Urtkal his first defeat, raped JCC like nobody else, spanked olympic gold medallist Hurtado.. And keep in mind he wasn't babied & brought along slowly like these other girls, he was fighting decent opposition from his first pro fight.

There's not a 140 ever in existance who would beat KT at his best

larry merchant could have beaten a 38 year old jcc, hurta who???

[Scorpion]

Kostya ko`ed by Oscar in 3 WTF?
Thats not possible.the best I give is oscar by UD.

[Relentless]

if hatton and vincent cool philip can stop him then de la hoya will ko him.

[joito3]

tsyu was ko'd by Cotto's sparring partner vince phillips ...nuff said !

[Relentless]

what ever happend to KT after the hatton fight??? is he ducking cotto?

[madpup]

You guys are clowns. Every professional sportsman should be expected to lose at one point or another. Attitudes like this are what causing promoters to match fighters with bums.

[See Me Flow]

You guys are clowns. Every professional sportsman should be expected to lose at one point or another. Attitudes like this are what causing promoters to match fighters with bums.

Tell this to cuzzinelias ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).

[cuzzinelias]

All greats lose at some point, all boxers have their weakness and KT's was pressure fighters. ODL & PBF are NOT pressure fighters, they are pure boxers which match up favourable to KT.

I still think his loss to Phillips was due to KT taking him for granted

[Relentless]

There was talk of Tszyu and De la Hoya around the time that Oscar fought Miguel Angel Gonzalez. Tszyu hit his opponent after the bell on the undercard of de la Hoya/Gonzalez, and received a NC for it. Then Tszyu lost to Vince Phillips in his next fight, and the talk of Oscar went away.

so basically vince philip got there before dlh?

[See Me Flow]

I still think his loss to Phillips was due to KT taking him for granted

Stop with the scripted excuses. You're doing KT a disservice.

[cuzzinelias]

so basically vince philip got there before dlh?

DLH is similar to VP how?

Your logic is akin to terrorist cripples conducting a bombing campaign for disability rights

[See Me Flow]

DLH is similar to VP how?

Your logic is akin to terrorist cripples conducting a bombing campaign for disability rights

And your analogy is one of the worst I've ever seen on this forum. Welcome to ESB, newbie.

[cuzzinelias]

And your analogy is one of the worst I've ever seen on this forum. Welcome to ESB, newbie.

Does anything click in that fake breast you call a head?

[See Me Flow]

Does anything click in that fake breast you call a head?

Damn, your poor analogies and semi-jokes are tired.:rofl

[Relentless]

Does anything click in that fake breast you call a head?

does anything click in the that dick you call a head??

by the way i am waiting for a source or some kind of proof of oscar saying he ducked and was afraid of KT.

if we dont get it then you are just another newbie nuthugger who is gonna go down:smoke

[Terrible Terry]

Relentless, you prove 13.34 times a day that you are an idiot. You have a ton of posts since March 2006 thats impressive but does your mom get angry when you tie up the computer all day. Tszyu was a bad man and would destroy your boy Cotto and give Oscar and Mosley all they wanted.

[cuzzinelias]

Relentless, you prove 13.34 times a day that you are an idiot. You have a ton of posts since March 2006 thats impressive but does your mom get angry when you tie up the computer all day. Tszyu was a bad man and would destroy your boy Cotto and give Oscar and Mosley all they wanted.

1st sign of intelligence I've seen all day :good

[Relentless]

Relentless, you prove 13.34 times a day that you are an idiot. You have a ton of posts since March 2006 thats impressive but does your mom get angry when you tie up the computer all day. Tszyu was a bad man and would destroy your boy Cotto and give Oscar and Mosley all they wanted.

wow looks like you found my profile well done:happy

my mom would have gotten angry if i were to use her computer.

but i agree with your last point KT was a bad man and a very bad fighter.

[igotJUIC3]

I'm not sure why I'm bothering with a halfwit sharmook like yourself, but anyway... destroying an undefeated Judah is pretty impressive, he gave Urtkal his first defeat, raped JCC like nobody else, spanked olympic gold medallist Hurtado.. And keep in mind he wasn't babied & brought along slowly like these other girls, he was fighting decent opposition from his first pro fight.

There's not a 140 ever in existance who would beat KT at his best


This statement is ridiculous....:-(

[cuzzinelias]

This statement is ridiculous....:-(

care to explain why?

[Chiko_Tech]

He KTFO Judah inside 2 rounds. The guy in your avatar you are seriously hyping up and is probably my 2nd favourite fighter by the way took a good 11 rounds.

Umm lucky shot.

[cuzzinelias]

Kostya was beating former world champions with under 10 pro fights to his name,can u say the same about delahoya,pbf or mosley?Tszyu's resume of opponents he defeated is actually more impressive than any of those guys interms of fighting quality guys at the start of his pro career. Most of the blokes who have bagged tszyu on this thread are without a doubt the biggest ****wits I have ever encountered!

Egg zachery!


Umm lucky shot.

No such thing as a lucky shot in boxing. Now you getting lucky, that would be a 'lucky shot'

[rendog67]

I started the post and didnt even put my prediction

I think ODH by UD

[Rock0052]

"Tszyu is out on his feet."

:yep

The VP fight was a turning point for Tszyu, and I think he'd tell you as much. He took the disappointment from that loss and used it to turn himself into an even better fighter, which was clear in his fights following it. If there would've been a rematch, Kostya would've destroyed Vince, and it's foolish to think that the Tszyu that showed up the night he lost would've been the same one to show up in a fight against De La Hoya.

[Dekkers]

anyone can catch anyone with a lucky shot, just watch lewis vs rahman 1, judah was outboxing him, if judah is the best fighter on both cotto and KT's record then aren't they equal?

That's a load of shit, Judah won the first round, though Tszyu was already starting to work out Judah towards the end of the first and continued that momentum to be clearly on top in the second before the KO.

Tszyu beat Judah when he was a favourite and the next big thing, when he was undefeated and at his best weight. Beside one fighter doesn't make a record, look at what a hard time a past prime Urkal gave Cotto.

[China_hand_Joe]

What is wrong with Americans? I get laughed at for suggesting Joe Calzaghe might be the best fighter of the last decade, yet they can claim Oscar stops Tszyu early.

[Rock0052]

What is wrong with Americans? I get laughed at for suggesting Joe Calzaghe might be the best fighter of the last decade, yet they can claim Oscar stops Tszyu early.

Easy there chief, we're not all haters :good

[rochsolloch]

DLH avoided Tszyu like the plague, he's even admitted being afraid of KT

very true oscar wanted no part of tszyu like a lot of other fighters!
kostya was a total beast!
reminds me of cotto his style and agression with the left hand high and always firing for the chest.tszyu did that a lot too.

[fatballer_10]

Kostya was powerful, he was quick and he could take a punch. He was an excellent fighter who fought quality opponents. He owned Zab Judah in their "2 Round" masterpiece!

[shanemfr]

Umm lucky shot.
Please explain how when you aim a punch at someones chin and it connects (and tszyu did it twice to Judah) is a lucky shot?
Yeah Zab won he first round big...with them whole 3 punches that actually landed flush.

[Ol' Blue]

I wouldn't go so far as to say nobody who's ever fought at 140 beats prime Tszyu, but Zoo at his best wouldn't be an underdog against any of them. At his best, Zoo's technique, focus and precision is just scary. In my view, he's no less than a 50/50 chance against ANYONE.

[BoppaZoo]

Zoo's best years where from 1998 to 2003 before he was injured.

he beat alot of Prime guys and ruined the careers of guys out there that were undefeated, also Tszyu was avioded like the plague by just about everyone yet still to this day is criticized when really the man can only fight whoever wants to fight him.

yeah he struggled against Phillips and Hatton but seriously there have been other boxers out there to lose fights aswell yet why does Tszyu get more heat than anyone else.

Yes Mosley Skipped the whole division and no one says a word about anything they somehow blame Tszyu for not fighting Mosley or Dela Hoya when both of them avioded Tszyu it wasnt the other way round.

because the Tszyu i know would fight anyone anywhere.

[Achilles]

tsyu was ko'd by Cotto's sparring partner vince phillips ...nuff said !

Tszyu has never been KOed in his entire professional and amateur career! Nuff said!

[IrnBruMan]

I ws actually watching some Tszyu fight DVDs earlier tonight, and I can only assume that anyone who says the likes of DLH or even PBF KOs Tsyzu obviously haven't seen the man fight.

It's quite obvious from the stock standard lines of 'Crackhead Vince Phillips KOd him" and "It was a lucky punch vs Zab" and "He quit on his stool vs Hatton" that these clowns have never seen Tszyu fight.

If they had they would have a hell of a lot more respect for his ability, and would understand why the whole boxing community gave Tszyu kudos and respect. But I guess these teeny bopper Johnny-come-lately's know more than the boxing community :hey

Tszyu was NEVER clean KO'd in his career - the Phillips fight was ref stoppage and the Hatton fight was retirement, but somehow DLH and PBF KhimTFO? Give me a break.

[IrnBruMan]

Tszyu has never been KOed in his entire professional and amateur career! Nuff said!

Right on Achilles! :good

Your posts have been scarce of late mate - I remember you from the Aussie forum back in the JD/Eaglewood/Boxa-168 days...where you been?

[jyuza]

Tzsyu was feared by some of the best out there. No doubt about that.
De La Hoya was fighting bigger name (so bigger money) and he definitely forgot him when he stepped up in classes.

[joito3]

Tszyu has never been KOed in his entire professional and amateur career! Nuff said!

the ref jumping in to save tsyzu from Phillips is not considered a stoppage by you ? No he wasn't down for the 10 count but he wasn't fit to continue either the ref did him a favor !

Quitting on his stool against Hatton to avoid being knocked out is not what you consider a stoppage ?

The man is not on Mosley or DLH's level sorry bro

[pecks]

the ref jumping in to save tsyzu from Phillips is not considered a stoppage by you ? No he wasn't down for the 10 count but he wasn't fit to continue either the ref did him a favor !

Quitting on his stool against Hatton to avoid being knocked out is not what you consider a stoppage ?

The man is not on Mosley or DLH's level sorry broA TKO isn't the same thing as a KO. If you think it is, then you're probably the type of person that'd be equally as satisfied with a transexual, as you would be with a woman.

[IrnBruMan]

the ref jumping in to save tsyzu from Phillips is not considered a stoppage by you ? No he wasn't down for the 10 count but he wasn't fit to continue either the ref did him a favor !

Quitting on his stool against Hatton to avoid being knocked out is not what you consider a stoppage ?

The man is not on Mosley or DLH's level sorry bro

What?

Did you miss the bit where I said 'KO' and then 'ref stoppage'?

Is English your first language?

Tszyu has never been clean KO'd in his career - prove me wrong if you can otherwise STFU :deal

[IrnBruMan]

A TKO isn't the same thing as a KO. If you think it is, then you're probably the type of person that'd be equally as satisfied with a transexual, as you would be with a woman.

:lol:

"near enough is good enough"

[See Me Flow]

The VP fight was a turning point for Tszyu, and I think he'd tell you as much. He took the disappointment from that loss and used it to turn himself into an even better fighter, which was clear in his fights following it. If there would've been a rematch, Kostya would've destroyed Vince, and it's foolish to think that the Tszyu that showed up the night he lost would've been the same one to show up in a fight against De La Hoya.

I don't want to hear about if. And I don't want to hear 'should of could of would of' bullshit. The only fight that matters is the fight Tszyu got his ass handed to him by Phillips. From a couple of post I've seen on this thread it's obviously Tszyu fans cant live down the fact that he was handedly defeated. As I said before you so-called Tszyu fans are doing a disservice to Tszyu by attempting to rationalize and make excuses for his defeat. This makes you look like a poor sport. Case Closed.


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[China_hand_Joe]

Oscar is undefeated right?

[Achilles]

Right on Achilles! :good

Your posts have been scarce of late mate - I remember you from the Aussie forum back in the JD/Eaglewood/Boxa-168 days...where you been?

Hi mate! I've always been around. Just reading mostly!

It's a waste of time posting an opinion on here most of the time. So many chuckleheads and nuthuggers who don't know the first thing about boxing but back their hommies, swearing that the kettle ain't black, when their love childs get beaten! Case in hand, Judah's clan of followers who still think Tszyu got lucky, that the ref stopped the fight early, and thus Judah got ripped of and is actually better than Tszyu!

[See Me Flow]

Oscar is undefeated right?

And???????

[Achilles]

the ref jumping in to save tsyzu from Phillips is not considered a stoppage by you ? No he wasn't down for the 10 count but he wasn't fit to continue either the ref did him a favor !

Quitting on his stool against Hatton to avoid being knocked out is not what you consider a stoppage ?

The man is not on Mosley or DLH's level sorry bro

Yah keep editing those posts in the hope that somehow, magically, a TKO will become the same thing as a KO by the time you click "sumbit"!!!

Learn the difference before you waste anymore of my time!

[IrnBruMan]

I don't want to hear about if. And I don't want to hear 'should of could of would of' bullshit. The only fight that matters is the fight Tszyu got his ass handed to him by Phillips. From a couple of post I've seen on this thread it's obviously Tszyu fans cant live down the fact that he was handedly defeated. As I said before you so-called Tszyu fans are doing a disservice to Tszyu by attempting to rationalize and make excuses for his defeat. This makes you look like a poor sport. Case Closed.


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No semenflow :nono

Tszyu was beaten by Phillips - see?

Tszyu was beaten by Phillips :deal

Tszyu then went on to unify 140. He became undisputed champ at 140lbs after he lost to Phillips. He became one of the P4P champs at the time. He became one of Ring's most respected boxers after that. He had the respect of most of his peers, including PBF, RJJ, and multiple coaches, trainers and experts. You think because you don't see it that way that your opinion is valid?

Can you get that through your PBF/Judah/Sharmba Mitchell/anything Brooklyn thick skull? Hmmmm?

No, I didn't think so.

Next you'll be telling me PBF and DLH would stand in front of Tszyu and go for broke just like Cool Vince did, because they had nothing to lose, just like Cool Vince huh?

FFS, get over the first loss on Tszyu's resume and respect the fact that he came back a better fighter, which is proven by his achievemnents after that loss.

Unless of course you're going to start up with the '140 was a weak division at that time' and then who would be the one making excuses semenflow? :yep

[IrnBruMan]

Hi mate! I've always been around. Just reading mostly!

It's a waste of time posting an opinion on here most of the time. So many chuckleheads and nuthuggers who don't know the first thing about boxing but back their hommies, swearing that the kettle ain't black, when their love childs get beaten! Case in hand, Judah's clan of followers who still think Tszyu got lucky, that the ref stopped the fight early, and thus Judah got ripped of and is actually better than Tszyu!

Too true!

Like I said, most who post that crap haven't actually seen the man fight :good

[See Me Flow]

Tszyu then went on to unify 140. He became undisputed champ at 140lbs after he lost to Phillips. He became one of the P4P champs at the time. He became one of Ring's most respected boxers after that. He had the respect of most of his peers, including PBF, RJJ, and multiple coaches, trainers and experts. You think because you don't see it that way that your opinion is valid?

What does this have to do with the previous post? Nothing.

Can you get that through your PBF/Judah/Sharmba Mitchell/anything Brooklyn thick skull? Hmmmm?

You deliberately failed to mention SSM and DLH. Why? Was this a convenient oversight on your part or an honest mistake? Or perhaps your intent was to incite stereotypical conjecture.


Next you'll be telling me PBF and DLH would stand in front of Tszyu and go for broke just like Cool Vince did, because they had nothing to lose, just like Cool Vince huh?

Standing IN FRONT of Tszyu has nothing to do with the good possibility of DLH, PBF and SSM (hell, let me put Tito in there as well) all defeating Tszyu. A win is a win whether standing in front of your opponent or on points. A fucking ugly anal muncher like you is aware of this.

Do I believe any of the fore mentioned fighters had a good chance of beating KT whether on points or TKO? Absolutely! Fact of the matter is YOU don't know what would might happen. But for and you asshole cohorts to sit hear and say Tszyu would beat Phillips in a rematch when he was handedly defeated while making excuses and rationalizing his loss is beyond any reasonable train of thought and punkish.

FFS, get over the first loss on Tszyu's resume and respect the fact that he came back a better fighter, which is proven by his achievemnents after that loss.

This is entirely immaterial to the subject at hand... again. Stop manufacturing erroneous bullshit so you can take up cyberspace to make yourself feel important. Scratch that. It's apparent to me, and you, you just like to type bullshit to make yourself feel important for your likely social short-comings. Wanna feel important, take a public speaking engagement.

Get back with me when you have something relevant to discuss... and when you can stick to the subject.

[See Me Flow]

I don't want to hear about if. And I don't want to hear 'should of could of would of' bullshit. The only fight that matters is the fight Tszyu got his ass handed to him by Phillips. From a couple of post I've seen on this thread it's obviously Tszyu fans cant live down the fact that he was handedly defeated. As I said before you so-called Tszyu fans are doing a disservice to Tszyu by attempting to rationalize and make excuses for his defeat. This makes you look like a poor sport. Case Closed.


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Once again stick to the subject! ^^^^^^^

[See Me Flow]

DLH, PBF and SSM. Oh, I almost forgot about KT's daddy...



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:D

[sandwichsurgeon]

Umm lucky shot.

Tszyu's timing negated Zab's speed, couple that with a combination of Tszyu's right hand and Zab's chin issues and you have a clear KO victory.

[IrnBruMan]

What does this have to do with the previous post? Nothing.



You deliberately failed to mention SSM and DLH. Why? Was this a convenient oversight on your part or an honest mistake? Or perhaps your intent was to incite stereotypical conjecture.




Standing IN FRONT of Tszyu has nothing to do with the good possibility of DLH, PBF and SSM (hell, let me put Tito in there as well) all defeating Tszyu. A win is a win whether standing in front of your opponent or on points. A fucking ugly anal muncher like you is aware of this.

Do I believe any of the fore mentioned fighters had a good chance of beating KT whether on points or TKO? Absolutely! Fact of the matter is YOU don't know what would might happen. But for and you asshole cohorts to sit hear and say Tszyu would beat Phillips in a rematch when he was handedly defeated while making excuses and rationalizing his loss is beyond any reasonable train of thought and punkish.



This is entirely immaterial to the subject at hand... again. Stop manufacturing erroneous bullshit so you can take up cyberspace to make yourself feel important. Scratch that. It's apparent to me, and you, you just like to type bullshit to make yourself feel important for your likely social short-comings. Wanna feel important, take a public speaking engagement.

Get back with me when you have something relevant to discuss... and when you can stick to the subject.

Wow, you sure posted a lot of words when all you had to post was "You're right, I'm focussing on Tszyu's first loss and seeing nothing beyond that."

Instead you decided to pad out your post and completely ignore, or fail to understand, the points I made.

It was you who said "the only fight that matters is the loss to Phillips" right? I called bullshit on that, citing what Tszyu went on to achieve after that loss. If you're too fucking one-eyed to take in the big picture, and prefer instead to focus on one fight because it makes you feel a lot better about Judah and Mitchell getting their arses handed to them by Tszyu, then so be it.

But know this - while you try your best to come across as some sort of objective poster, realise that while you measure Tszyu's career on his loss to Phillips, it is in fact you who is doing a disservice to every opponent Tszyu beat after he lost to Phillips, including Judah and Mitchell :deal

Do you understand, or is that a little too much lateral thinking for your one-track mind to grasp?

Oh wait, let me guess, here comes the 'styles make fights' reasoning from the Tszyu hater :-(

And in regards to your point about not mattering if you stand in front of Tszyu or win on points? Tell me who the fuck ever beat Tszyu on points you lame motherfucker :lol:

[joito3]

these guys are tsyu huggers man no sense in arguing with them... who cares if tsyzu wasn't out for a 10 count ! In his two losses he quit against hatton and was saved by the ref against Phillips ! He's no ATG he's overrated ...PBF, Mosley, and ODLH would have wiped the floor with him !

[IrnBruMan]

these guys are tsyu huggers man no sense in arguing with them... who cares if tsyzu wasn't out for a 10 count ! In his two losses he quit against hatton and was saved by the ref against Phillips ! He's no ATG he's overrated ...PBF, Mosley, and ODLH would have wiped the floor with him !

You're a fucking idiot :lol:

Another one focussing on Tszyu's 2 losses instead of appreciating what he did between them :-(

Seriously man, have you ever actually seen a Tszyu fight, or are you just a boxrec ranger like the rest of the teenybopper Tszyu haters around here?

Tell me why PBF, Mosley and DLH wipe the floor with Tszyu when no one actually wiped the floor with Tszyu yet? :deal A TKO and retirement loss do not equal 'wiping the floor' you asshat :yep But please, explain your reasons for stating this :thumbsup

[rochsolloch]

I ws actually watching some Tszyu fight DVDs earlier tonight, and I can only assume that anyone who says the likes of DLH or even PBF KOs Tsyzu obviously haven't seen the man fight.

It's quite obvious from the stock standard lines of 'Crackhead Vince Phillips KOd him" and "It was a lucky punch vs Zab" and "He quit on his stool vs Hatton" that these clowns have never seen Tszyu fight.

If they had they would have a hell of a lot more respect for his ability, and would understand why the whole boxing community gave Tszyu kudos and respect. But I guess these teeny bopper Johnny-come-lately's know more than the boxing community :hey

Tszyu was NEVER clean KO'd in his career - the Phillips fight was ref stoppage and the Hatton fight was retirement, but somehow DLH and PBF KhimTFO? Give me a break.


exactly!
i get annoyed somtimes in here when i read certain comments but i think to myself this person obviously has no clue about boxing and is just a novice or just plain dumb!
i think a lot of young guys post in here like probably in their early to late teens and are just learning the game and they make rash and no brainer comments as you americans say,but i always know who really knows their stuff just by their comments and i figure other people do too so i dont get into arguments with numbskulls!

[rochsolloch]

You're a fucking idiot :lol:

Another one focussing on Tszyu's 2 losses instead of appreciating what he did between them :-(

Seriously man, have you ever actually seen a Tszyu fight, or are you just a boxrec ranger like the rest of the teenybopper Tszyu haters around here?

Tell me why PBF, Mosley and DLH wipe the floor with Tszyu when no one actually wiped the floor with Tszyu yet? :deal A TKO and retirement loss do not equal 'wiping the floor' you asshat :yep But please, explain your reasons for stating this :thumbsup


do you know young muttley by any chance ?
i know him a little as i am a former pro and that kid has a lot of talent!

[Dekkers]

Tszyu deserves a lot more respect than what he gets here, apparently we're 'irrational nuthuggers' because we actuallly think his career outside the loss to Phillips matters, and think he'd go longer than 3 rounds against De La Hoya :rofl

I can see why a lot of these yanks don't have any respect for Lennox Lewis either :-(

[joito3]

Wow, you sure posted a lot of words when all you had to post was "You're right, I'm focussing on Tszyu's first loss and seeing nothing beyond that."

Instead you decided to pad out your post and completely ignore, or fail to understand, the points I made.

It was you who said "the only fight that matters is the loss to Phillips" right? I called bullshit on that, citing what Tszyu went on to achieve after that loss. If you're too fucking one-eyed to take in the big picture, and prefer instead to focus on one fight because it makes you feel a lot better about Judah and Mitchell getting their arses handed to them by Tszyu, then so be it.

But know this - while you try your best to come across as some sort of objective poster, realise that while you measure Tszyu's career on his loss to Phillips, it is in fact you who is doing a disservice to every opponent Tszyu beat after he lost to Phillips, including Judah and Mitchell :deal

Do you understand, or is that a little too much lateral thinking for your one-track mind to grasp?

Oh wait, let me guess, here comes the 'styles make fights' reasoning from the Tszyu hater :-(

And in regards to your point about not mattering if you stand in front of Tszyu or win on points? Tell me who the fuck ever beat Tszyu on points you lame motherfucker :lol:

How about you chill with the middle school disses and explain to everyone why you think Tszyu has a remote chance against ODLH, Mosley, and Mayweather ?

[Dekkers]

How about you chill with the middle school disses and explain to everyone why you think Tszyu has a remote chance against ODLH, Mosley, and Mayweather ?
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There's my opinion of why he had a shot against Mayweather :good

[rochsolloch]

any1 who doesnt respect kostya as a great great fighter maybe the best in the last 25 years needs their head checked!
he had it all ,although he was a slow starter to fights as the zab judah fight showed perfectly the way he stalked him the full 2nd round,the only fault i put on kostyas career was the decision not top come out for the end of the fight with hatton,he had enough savy in the ring to muster the energy to get through even though he had a fractured cheekbone and was exhausted ,i believe he could still have pulled it off and kept his crown with a draw.
all in all though a fantastic fighter,sportsman ,and true gentleman,the kind you want your sons to look up to as a role model.

[IrnBruMan]

do you know young muttley by any chance ?
i know him a little as i am a former pro and that kid has a lot of talent!

I don't rochs, funny thing is, when I registered on the boards I was stuck for a username, and the top thread in the British forum at the time (and therefore visible from the front page) was about Young Muttley, so I used 'muttley' as my username! :lol:

You're an ex-pro - I do recall reading some of your posts in the British forum, and I see that you've officially retired? Good on you mate, tough game boxing :good

[rochsolloch]

this is a great video of tszyu for any1 doubting his class.

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[IrnBruMan]

How about you chill with the middle school disses and explain to everyone why you think Tszyu has a remote chance against ODLH, Mosley, and Mayweather ?

'chill with the middle school disses'? :lol: Who are you, Snoop Doggy Dawg? :rofl

Tszyu was an excellent boxer, had power above his weight, had excellent ring generalship, could take a punch, and had impeccable timing.

How's that idiot boy? Or is that too middle school for you?

Now howzabout you explain to everyone how DLH, PBF and SSM all 'wipe the floor' with Tszyu.

Come on big fella, the floor's all yours :hey

[sandwichsurgeon]

I can understand fully why some people are discrediting Tszyu in this thread, if you haven't got any intelectual ammo left to discredit a fighter with the best bet is to rag on his best win.

[rochsolloch]

I can understand fully why some people are discrediting Tszyu in this thread, if you haven't got any intelectual ammo left to discredit a fighter with the best bet is to rag on his best win.

sandwich is that tommy hearns in your avatar?

[sandwichsurgeon]

sandwich is that tommy hearns in your avatar?

;):good

[China_hand_Joe]

This (the degrading of Tszyu) isn't quite as bad as the yanks (well a fair number of them) rating Lewis below Holyfield, but it is still embarrassing for them.

[Clearly Cool]

This is fact, not opinion:

Kostya Tszyu is a great fighter and will be inducted to the boxing hall of fame. He unified a division one belt at a time.

This is opinion:

Anyone who thinks that Tszyu would be beaten easily by anyone is a dickhead. He was never beaten soundly, both his losing efforts were hard, tough give and take affairs and in my opinion Tszyu in his best form couldnt be a large underdog against anyone in his division.

Also, this whole idea that a boxers prime is a set amount of time in their life is a load of shit, things such as strategy, focus, training and personal issues make each fight different from one another and to think that Tszyu was in his prime vs. Phillips is ignorance.

Just the fact that many boxers and knowledgable writers thought he was special says enough. He doesnt need a bunch of fuckheads to shit all over his whole legacy because of his losses.

Clearly.

[Goose]

How about you chill with the middle school disses and explain to everyone why you think Tszyu has a remote chance against ODLH, Mosley, and Mayweather ?


Tszyu has a chance against anyone with his right hand, the man was a great fighter at 140.

[DoumB]

All greats lose at some point, all boxers have their weakness and KT's was pressure fighters. ODL & PBF are NOT pressure fighters, they are pure boxers which match up favourable to KT.

I still think his loss to Phillips was due to KT taking him for granted

u dont no a damn about this sport dont u? DLH is at his best against Pressure fighter and Floyd beat Castillo 2X times who in my book was on the same level as kosta tszyu.

[joito3]

u dont no a damn about this sport dont u? DLH is at his best against Pressure fighter and Floyd beat Castillo 2X times who in my book was on the same level as kosta tszyu.

no sense in arguing with them bro....

fact is

tsyzu lost to hatton & phillips

tszyu beat judah, bum leg mitchell, old a$$ chavez

Yet he would beat DLH, Mosley, and PBF sorry you guys are on the pipe....

Tsyzu was too robotic to even land a punch on PBF

Tsyzu wasn't strong enough to keep mosley off of him

DLH would have knocked him out ... tszyu wouldn't have gotten past dlh jab

[China_hand_Joe]

u dont no a damn about this sport dont u? DLH is at his best against Pressure fighter and Floyd beat Castillo 2X times who in my book was on the same level as kosta tszyu.Tszyu isn't a pressure fighter, he is weak against them

[China_hand_Joe]

no sense in arguing with them bro....

fact is

tsyzu lost to hatton & phillips

tszyu beat judah, bum leg mitchell, old a$$ chavez

Yet he would beat DLH, Mosley, and PBF sorry you guys are on the pipe....

Tsyzu was too robotic to even land a punch on PBF

Tsyzu wasn't strong enough to keep mosley off of him

DLH would have knocked him out ... tszyu wouldn't have gotten past dlh jabOne off night against Phillips doesn't mean he automatically loses to every name American out there. Kostya is one of the most skilled fighters of the past decade, despite being from outside the Americas.

[IrnBruMan]

This is fact, not opinion:

Kostya Tszyu is a great fighter and will be inducted to the boxing hall of fame. He unified a division one belt at a time.

This is opinion:

Anyone who thinks that Tszyu would be beaten easily by anyone is a dickhead. He was never beaten soundly, both his losing efforts were hard, tough give and take affairs and in my opinion Tszyu in his best form couldnt be a large underdog against anyone in his division.

Also, this whole idea that a boxers prime is a set amount of time in their life is a load of shit, things such as strategy, focus, training and personal issues make each fight different from one another and to think that Tszyu was in his prime vs. Phillips is ignorance.

Just the fact that many boxers and knowledgable writers thought he was special says enough. He doesnt need a bunch of fuckheads to shit all over his whole legacy because of his losses.

Clearly.

Now that's a clearly cool post, and right on! :good

[IrnBruMan]

u dont no a damn about this sport dont u? DLH is at his best against Pressure fighter and Floyd beat Castillo 2X times who in my book was on the same level as kosta tszyu.

Can you read man?

The guy you quoted didn't even say Tszyu was a pressure fighter :patsch

[IrnBruMan]

no sense in arguing with them bro....

fact is

tsyzu lost to hatton & phillips

tszyu beat judah, bum leg mitchell, old a$$ chavez

Yet he would beat DLH, Mosley, and PBF sorry you guys are on the pipe....

Tsyzu was too robotic to even land a punch on PBF

Tsyzu wasn't strong enough to keep mosley off of him

DLH would have knocked him out ... tszyu wouldn't have gotten past dlh jab

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Like I said, you're a fucking idiot.

I think crackpipes are more prevalent in your location than anyone else posting here...BROOKLYN!!!! I COME FROM BRRRRRRROOOKLYN YOU MOTHERFUCKER...BRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOKLYN!!!!! :rofl

PS - 'bum leg Mitchell'?!?! Did you miss the rematch where Tszyu spanked that ass? :lol:

And what about Judah? Undefeated, in his prime, sparked cold like no motherfucker has ever sparked him...don't be telling me PBF beat better versions of Sharmba and Zab :rofl

[DoumB]

Can you read man?

The guy you quoted didn't even say Tszyu was a pressure fighter :patsch

I just saw that , my mistake

[IrnBruMan]

I just saw that , my mistake

no worries man, sorry :good

[joito3]

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Like I said, you're a fucking idiot.

I think crackpipes are more prevalent in your location than anyone else posting here...BROOKLYN!!!! I COME FROM BRRRRRRROOOKLYN YOU MOTHERFUCKER...BRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOKLYN!!!!! :rofl

PS - 'bum leg Mitchell'?!?! Did you miss the rematch where Tszyu spanked that ass? :lol:

And what about Judah? Undefeated, in his prime, sparked cold like no motherfucker has ever sparked him...don't be telling me PBF beat better versions of Sharmba and Zab :rofl

your man love for tsyzu is incredible ... by the way you must be pretty stupid to confuse the Bronx with Brooklyn or maybe your hard on for tsyzu got in the way of any logic

[IrnBruMan]

your man love for tsyzu is incredible ... by the way you must be pretty stupid to confuse the Bronx with Brooklyn or maybe your hard on for tsyzu got in the way of any logic

Oh, I see how anyone who doesn't buy the whole 'Tszyu was complete shit' logic sold by you sad-arsed motherfuckers is suddenly smitten with 'Tszyu manlove' :rofl

Can't wait to see your next post about PBF, SSM and DLH :lol:

Face it idiot boy, you've got no reasonable explanation for why DLH, SSM and PBF would wipe the floor with Tszyu :deal

PS - Bronx/BRRROOKLYN who gives a fuck? You've only posted that as your location to try and gain some sort of cred, don't be trying to kid us it's for any other reason :yep

[PorkChopExpress]

anyone can catch anyone with a lucky shot, just watch lewis vs rahman 1, judah was outboxing him, if judah is the best fighter on both cotto and KT's record then aren't they equal?

Anyone can catch with a lucky shot???

a. Lucky shot? If you think that there no other factors to consider in his knock out of Judah than "luck" you've already shown you know as much about boxing as my as-yet unborn neice.

b. Judah had a good round 1. He came out cocky and ballsy. His usual confident self (He was soon taught a little lesson in humility). Tszyu spent the round feeling him out and getting his timing right as with any other Tszyu fight (AND pretty much every fucking fight in the history of the sport...). Round 2, Judah was totally schooled from the bell. Anything Judah had to offer was completely cancelled out. It took Tszyu 1 fucking round to work him out and have him completely timed and disposed of... something that took PBF a solid 4 rounds to achieve at least.

c. I've yet to see anyone dispose of Judah in the same fashion as Tszyu did (Even though Judah is a shot fighter, was overhyped, is a shell of his former self, blah-di-fucking-blah). If Judah is so crap, why didn't the P4P #1 fighter in the world struggle with him for as long as he did?

Anyways, back on to topic... The DLH/Tszyu match up was put on hiatus for a few reasons... it was always meant to happen though...

The Phillips loss, the networks, Mosely skipping the division, the Hatton fight and Tszyu's management all worked against this fight happening.

Both guys wanted it.

It is also on record that DLH and Mosely had shown the utmost respect for Tszyu and had always seen him as a major challenge.

Tszyu was also very high risk. He did not carry the name of Mosely or DLH nor the reputation at the time. Mosely/DLH and Tszyu were not afraid to face each other... but too many factors played agains them actually sorting out fights.

[joito3]

Oh, I see how anyone who doesn't buy the whole 'Tszyu was complete shit' logic sold by you sad-arsed motherfuckers is suddenly smitten with 'Tszyu manlove' :rofl

Can't wait to see your next post about PBF, SSM and DLH :lol:

Face it idiot boy, you've got no reasonable explanation for why DLH, SSM and PBF would wipe the floor with Tszyu :deal

PS - Bronx/BRRROOKLYN who gives a fuck? You've only posted that as your location to try and gain some sort of cred, don't be trying to kid us it's for any other reason :yep

i'm not a pbf, ssm, or odlh fanatic its just my un-biased opinion .... you sound like a serious nuthugger to think that Tszyu is in the same league as PBF, SSM, and DLH.

Again tell me why he's in there league ! Tszyu stayed at the same weight class never won a title in a higher weight class.... he lost to average fighters ! He's not on their level if he was then he'd accomplished alot more in his career & he wouldn't had been beaten by hatton & vince phillips !

& what makes living in the Bronx instant credibility ? Only an ignorant fool would think that you clearly have never been to the bronx your just an ignorant prick who is still thinks its the bronx of the 80's & 90's

[PorkChopExpress]

i'm not a pbf, ssm, or odlh fanatic its just my un-biased opinion .... you sound like a serious nuthugger to think that Tszyu is in the same league as PBF, SSM, and DLH.

Again tell me why he's in there league ! Tszyu stayed at the same weight class never won a title in a higher weight class.... he lost to average fighters ! He's not on their level if he was then he'd accomplished alot more in his career & he wouldn't had been beaten by hatton & vince phillips !

& what makes living in the Bronx instant credibility ? Only an ignorant fool would think that you clearly have never been to the bronx your just an ignorant prick who is still thinks its the bronx of the 80's & 90's

Whats more ignorant...

Somebody saying somebody is skilled because they've shown time and time again that they have unparalelled skill and talent in the ring regardless of how many weight classes they moved up... or in SSM's case SKIPPED.

Or somebody saying someone has fuck all skills because he didn't move up in class even though he dominated a division for TEN years?! and because he didn't move up in weight you hereby assume it was because he was afraid to/didn't have the talent to do so regardless of the talent he showed in the weightclass he did fight in?

[sandwichsurgeon]

i'm not a pbf, ssm, or odlh fanatic its just my un-biased opinion .... you sound like a serious nuthugger to think that Tszyu is in the same league as PBF, SSM, and DLH.

Not in the same league eh?
The Ring Rankings
For Period Ended March 31, 2005
POUND-FOR-POUND
> 1. BERNARD HOPKINS
> Middleweight
> 2. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
> Junior Welterweight
> 3. KOSTYA TSZYU
> Junior Welterweight
> 4. WINKY WRIGHT
> Junior Middleweight
> 5. MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA
> Junior Lightweight
> 6. ERIK MORALES
> Junior Lightweight
> 7. MANNY PACQUIAO
> Featherweight
> 8. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ
> Featherweight
> 9. JOSE LUIS CASTILLO
> Lightweight
> 10. GLEN JOHNSON
> Light Heavyweight


Again tell me why he's in there league ! Tszyu stayed at the same weight class never won a title in a higher weight class.... he lost to average fighters ! He's not on their level if he was then he'd accomplished alot more in his career & he wouldn't had been beaten by hatton & vince phillips !



Marvin Hagler stayed in the same division all of his career and lost to two "average" fighters.

U R FULL OF SHIT

[IrnBruMan]

i'm not a pbf, ssm, or odlh fanatic its just my un-biased opinion .... you sound like a serious nuthugger to think that Tszyu is in the same league as PBF, SSM, and DLH.

Again tell me why he's in there league ! Tszyu stayed at the same weight class never won a title in a higher weight class.... he lost to average fighters ! He's not on their level if he was then he'd accomplished alot more in his career & he wouldn't had been beaten by hatton & vince phillips !

& what makes living in the Bronx instant credibility ? Only an ignorant fool would think that you clearly have never been to the bronx your just an ignorant prick who is still thinks its the bronx of the 80's & 90's

Fuck man, why don't you read what you just posted:

"if he was then he'd accomplished alot more in his career & he wouldn't had been beaten by hatton & vince phillips"

Are you serious?!? :rofl

How does unifying 140 sound to you? PBF, SSM and DLH never did that.

Wake up you fucking idiot :patsch

[IrnBruMan]

Whats more ignorant...

Somebody saying somebody is skilled because they've shown time and time again that they have unparalelled skill and talent in the ring regardless of how many weight classes they moved up... or in SSM's case SKIPPED.

Or somebody saying someone has fuck all skills because he didn't move up in class even though he dominated a division for TEN years?! and because he didn't move up in weight you hereby assume it was because he was afraid to/didn't have the talent to do so regardless of the talent he showed in the weightclass he did fight in?

Exactly PCE, you can always tell when these fools are running out of excuses, because they fall back on the old 'never moved up from his weightclass' crap :lol:

I'm sure these same guys were rapping B-Hop before he moved up to LHW and beat Tarver :rofl

[sandwichsurgeon]

And we wonder why some fighters are protected:patsch

This is fucking rediculous how many times have you made a mistake at work huh? Can YOU imagine being deemed a lesser employee by your boss for two mistakes in your ENTIRE career?

Haters:patsch what the fuck is the point?

[IrnBruMan]

i'm not a pbf, ssm, or odlh fanatic its just my un-biased opinion .... you sound like a serious nuthugger to think that Tszyu is in the same league as PBF, SSM, and DLH.

Again tell me why he's in there league ! Tszyu stayed at the same weight class never won a title in a higher weight class.... he lost to average fighters ! He's not on their level if he was then he'd accomplished alot more in his career & he wouldn't had been beaten by hatton & vince phillips !

& what makes living in the Bronx instant credibility ? Only an ignorant fool would think that you clearly have never been to the bronx your just an ignorant prick who is still thinks its the bronx of the 80's & 90's

And forget al this location shit and asking ME to provide evidence to back my claims, how about YOU provide some evidence to back your claims that "PBF, SSM and DLH would wipe the floor with Tszyu" :deal

You've been skipping around that ever since I asked you to provide evidence, and instead chosen to focus on your location and the fact that Tszyu never moved up in weight class...like I said about 3 pages ago, let's hear your reasons for why PBF, DLH and SSM would wipe the floor with Tszyu (your words remember?:yep ).

Come on fella :deal

[joito3]

why doesn't tszyu come back and at least avenges his loss to Hatton ? Their first fight was close going into the 10th ..hatton won 10th & 11th why did tszyu quit ? come on man get off his nuts

[IrnBruMan]

why doesn't tszyu come back and at least avenges his loss to Hatton ? Their first fight was close going into the 10th ..hatton won 10th & 11th why did tszyu quit ? come on man get off his nuts

Come on man, tell us all why PBF, DLH and SSM wipe the floor with Tszyu - can you back up your words? :think

[joito3]

Tsyzu was too robotic to even land a punch on PBF

Tsyzu wasn't strong enough to keep mosley off of him

DLH would have knocked him out ... tszyu wouldn't have gotten past dlh jab

[sandwichsurgeon]

why doesn't tszyu come back and at least avenges his loss to Hatton ? Their first fight was close going into the 10th ..hatton won 10th & 11th why did tszyu quit ? come on man get off his nuts

He is how old now?

Next you will be suggesting Tyson comes back and fights McBride:patsch

I'm pretty sure most LWW would quit against Hatton if they had been in with him for 11 rounds, do you have any idea how hard boxing is at that level?

[IrnBruMan]

PBF, Mosley, and ODLH would have wiped the floor with him !

:deal

Let's hear your reasoning for this opinion, hater :deal

[PorkChopExpress]

why doesn't tszyu come back and at least avenges his loss to Hatton ? Their first fight was close going into the 10th ..hatton won 10th & 11th why did tszyu quit ? come on man get off his nuts

We're not discussing this though are we???

Give me ten minutes and i could point out a plethora of ATG fighters who never avenged a loss.

Tszyu, at the end of his career went 11 of the hardest fought fucking rounds of boxing by anyones standards against a guy who was in his absolute prime, just took out a P4P in a few rounds and was the epitome of the style of fighter that Tszyu struggled with... please tell me that isn't your best ammo!

[PorkChopExpress]

Exactly PCE, you can always tell when these fools are running out of excuses, because they fall back on the old 'never moved up from his weightclass' crap :lol:

I'm sure these same guys were rapping B-Hop before he moved up to LHW and beat Tarver :rofl

Lol... its such a joke the double standards these guys use.

No wonder people think boxing is on the slide... they think to be considered a chance in a fight you have to have beaten Superman, Batman AND Bruce Willis in Unbreakable to prove you wouldn't get ktfo against a 'decent' fighter...

And in Tszyu's case he lost twice... once before and once after his prime and they think he's some kind of cowardly dog who ducked/isn't on par with any of the other greats of his time...

YOU IDIOTS do realise that it wasn't just HIM who didn't fight them right???? THEY didnt fight HIM either you turds!!! I WONDER FUCKING WHY?? Oh wait... Surely it's because he was so crap as to not be seen as any kind of a challenge!!

:patsch

P.S. Nice to see im not the only other aussie on these boards at 4am Mutts!! :P

[IrnBruMan]

Tsyzu was too robotic to even land a punch on PBF

Tsyzu wasn't strong enough to keep mosley off of him

DLH would have knocked him out ... tszyu wouldn't have gotten past dlh jab

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Tszyu was too robotic huh? That's why he landed 2 flush overhand rights to Judah's jaw and KHTFO. And prior to those, he had landed some srious bodyshots on Zab, which is why Zab was keeping away from him at the end of rd 1 and for ALL of rd 2.

Tszyu wasn't strong enough huh? That's why he was touted as hitting with the power of a middleweight (and BTW, he absolutely spanked Forrest in the ams, I know, it's a different game, but still, come on man, Tszyu spanked Mosely's nemesis in the ams). Tszyu was recognised as being one of THEE strongest fighters at 140lbs.

Jab? Didn't Judah have a wicked fast jab (and everything else) and that didn't stop Tszyu from sparking him TFO did it? Did Mitchell's jab worry Tszyu?

Seriously man, give it up, you know fuck all - go and watch some Tszyu fights instead of buying into the hype and open your mind instead of proving yourself to be a fucking clown on here :patsch

I know why you're saying this shit - because DLH troubled PBF with his jab :lol: :lol: :lol:

[joito3]

He is how old now?

Next you will be suggesting Tyson comes back and fights McBride:patsch

I'm pretty sure most LWW would quit against Hatton if they had been in with him for 11 rounds, do you have any idea how hard boxing is at that level?

wtf ? Collazo who is weaker than Tszyu had hatton out on his feet and had no ounce of quit in him !

[IrnBruMan]

Lol... its such a joke the double standards these guys use.

No wonder people think boxing is on the slide... they think to be considered a chance in a fight you have to have beaten Superman, Batman AND Bruce Willis in Unbreakable to prove you wouldn't get ktfo against a 'decent' fighter...

And in Tszyu's case he lost twice... once before and once after his prime and they think he's some kind of cowardly dog who ducked/isn't on par with any of the other greats of his time...

YOU IDIOTS do realise that it wasn't just HIM who didn't fight them right???? THEY didnt fight HIM either you turds!!! I WONDER FUCKING WHY?? Oh wait... Surely it's because he was so crap as to not be seen as any kind of a challenge!!

:patsch

P.S. Nice to see im not the only other aussie on these boards at 4am Mutts!! :P

These fucking cunts are of the school of thought that a '0' in the 'L' column is far more important than proving yourself against the best in your division :-(

[sandwichsurgeon]

wtf ? Collazo who is weaker than Tszyu had hatton out on his feet and had no ounce of quit in him !

He rattled him briefly stop exaggerating, see thats all you have got "oh well this happened once or twice in his career", yeah and what about ALL THE OTHER FIGHTS? You don't judge a fighter on one or two fights you judge them on their entire careers:patsch

[IrnBruMan]

wtf ? Collazo who is weaker than Tszyu had hatton out on his feet and had no ounce of quit in him !

Yeah and how did PBF look in his first fight vs Castillo?

[joito3]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Tszyu was too robotic huh? That's why he landed 2 flush overhand rights to Judah's jaw and KHTFO. And prior to those, he ha dlanded some srious bodyshots on Zab, which is why Zab was keeping away from him at the end of rd 1 and for ALL of rd 2.

Tszyu wasn't strong enough huh? That's why he was touted as hitting with the power of a middleweight (and BTW, he absolutely spanked Forrest in the ams, I know, it's a different game, but still, come on man, Tszyu spanked Mosely's nemesis in the ams). Tszyu was recognised as being one of THEE strongest fighters at 140lbs.

Jab? Didn't Judah have a wicked fast jab (and everything else) and that didn't stop Tszyu from sparking him TFO did it? Did Mitchell's jab worry Tszyu?

Seriously man, give it up, you know fuck all - go and watch some Tszyu fights instead of buying into the hype and open your mind instead of proving yourself to be a fucking clown on here :patsch

I know why you're saying this shit - because DLH troubled PBF with his jab :lol: :lol: :lol:

i'm not saying tszyu isn't worth a dime i'm saying that he isn't on mosley, dlh or pbf's level ! Amateurs means nothing in the pros Forrest-Tszyu would have been a different fight...

Tszyu was a good fighter but no the beast your making him out to be

[sandwichsurgeon]

i'm not saying tszyu isn't worth a dime i'm saying that he isn't on mosley, dlh or pbf's level ! Amateurs means nothing in the pros Forrest-Tszyu would have been a different fight...

Tszyu was a good fighter but no the beast your making him out to be

He was ranked no3 P4P as of April 05, one place behind PBF, DLH and SSM weren't even in the P4P top 10 at that point.

[PorkChopExpress]

These fucking cunts are of the school of thought that a '0' in the 'L' column is far more important than proving yourself against the best in your division :-(

Yeah... oh well... from past Tszyu convos we'll just have to accept that they'll never understand the simple truth that a win over Tszyu is not a shoe in for anyone...

Anyways im off to bed now.. gotta make it up in time for the vic fight tomoz... night!

[joito3]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Tszyu was too robotic huh? That's why he landed 2 flush overhand rights to Judah's jaw and KHTFO. And prior to those, he had landed some srious bodyshots on Zab, which is why Zab was keeping away from him at the end of rd 1 and for ALL of rd 2.

Tszyu wasn't strong enough huh? That's why he was touted as hitting with the power of a middleweight (and BTW, he absolutely spanked Forrest in the ams, I know, it's a different game, but still, come on man, Tszyu spanked Mosely's nemesis in the ams). Tszyu was recognised as being one of THEE strongest fighters at 140lbs.

Jab? Didn't Judah have a wicked fast jab (and everything else) and that didn't stop Tszyu from sparking him TFO did it? Did Mitchell's jab worry Tszyu?

Seriously man, give it up, you know fuck all - go and watch some Tszyu fights instead of buying into the hype and open your mind instead of proving yourself to be a fucking clown on here :patsch

I know why you're saying this shit - because DLH troubled PBF with his jab :lol: :lol: :lol:

finding judah is not that hard ...Baldomir landed some flush right hands to his jaw too bro ... Cotto found judah all night long so what... judah is always dancing around with his hands down

[sandwichsurgeon]

finding judah is not that hard ...Baldomir landed some flush right hands to his jaw too bro ... Cotto found judah all night long so what... judah is always dancing around with his hands down

Cotto the Welterweight who has mastered the art of coming in heavier than his opponents took 11 rounds to dispose of Judah, Tszyu took 2 to dispose of the then undefeated Zab.

[IrnBruMan]

i'm not saying tszyu isn't worth a dime i'm saying that he isn't on mosley, dlh or pbf's level ! Amateurs means nothing in the pros Forrest-Tszyu would have been a different fight...

Tszyu was a good fighter but no the beast your making him out to be

"Kostya's a beast. In the ring he comes at you like an animal wanting to savage you." Oscar de le Hoya 1996

There you go ass-clown, DLH's very own words, funny how he uses the exact term to describe Tszyu as you have denied him :yep

Besides that, for about 5 pages you're provided nothing but generalisms and side steps to try and get your point across - face it man, you know fuck all and you're just toeing the party line.

Tszyuu WAS a beast at 140 - nothing you and the usual squad of cocksparrers say can take away from what he achieved and what his peers said and thought of him.

And still you haven't provided reasons for why PBF, SSM and DLH 'wipe the floor with Tsyu.' :deal

[IrnBruMan]

He was ranked no3 P4P as of April 05, one place behind PBF, DLH and SSM weren't even in the P4P top 10 at that point.

"OHHHH YEAAAAAH!!! DUFFMAN SEZ THAT'S ONE COOL FACT!!!!" :yep :yep :yep

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[PorkChopExpress]

"Kostya's a beast. In the ring he comes at you like an animal wanting to savage you." Oscar de le Hoya 1996

There you go ass-clown, DLH's very own words, funny how he uses the exact term to describe Tszyu as you have denied him :yep

Besides that, for about 5 pages you're provided nothing but generalisms and side steps to try and get your point across - face it man, you know fuck all and you're just toeing the party line.

Tszyuu WAS a beast at 140 - nothing you and the usual squad of cocksparrers say can take away from what he achieved and what his peers said and thought of him.

And still you haven't provided reasons for why PBF, SSM and DLH 'wipe the floor with Tsyu.' :deal


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

I was about to search for the quote myself. Classic... poetic even. :good

[IrnBruMan]

finding judah is not that hard ...Baldomir landed some flush right hands to his jaw too bro ... Cotto found judah all night long so what... judah is always dancing around with his hands down

Oh but hang on man, wasn't Judah one of PBFs most recent career-defining P4P fights? :rofl

Keep going man, I'm up late, I've had a few drinks and punched a few cones and you're keeping me VERY amused :rofl

[PorkChopExpress]

Oh but hang on man, wasn't Judah one of PBFs most recent career-defining P4P fights? :rofl

Keep going man, I'm up late, I've had a few drinks and punched a few cones and you're keeping me VERY amused :rofl

haha you bastard... my cones went dry yesterday! Plenty of beer but damn id love one to K me TFO!

[sandwichsurgeon]

I kind of feel bad since we are owning him so much and there is only one idiot talking shit, if some of the usual haters were here to back him up then it would be a little more fair but oh well, he should get himself one of thos brain training games if he wants to avoid being owned in the future.

[IrnBruMan]

haha you bastard... my cones went dry yesterday! Plenty of beer but damn id love one to K me TFO!

:lol:

Man, if I could eSling you one I would, but I can't so...sorry man...:lol:

[PorkChopExpress]

I kind of feel bad since we are owning him so much and there is only one idiot talking shit, if some of the usual haters were here to back him up then it would be a little more fair but oh well, he should get himself one of thos brain training games if he wants to avoid being owned in the future.

Yeah I was wondering where they all are... then I thought, typically the staple Tszyu haters know fuck all about boxing and so are probably away on Month Off bets or something... I can see them now, quickly making aliases to come to the rescue of their panic stricken lamb.

[IrnBruMan]

I kind of feel bad since we are owning him so much and there is only one idiot talking shit, if some of the usual haters were here to back him up then it would be a little more fair but oh well, he should get himself one of thos brain training games if he wants to avoid being owned in the future.

:lol:

I think he's gone now

Good on you SS for nailing the idiot :good

[sandwichsurgeon]

:lol:

I think he's gone now

Good on you SS for nailing the idiot :good

It was a team effort:good

[PorkChopExpress]

:lol:

Man, if I could eSling you one I would, but I can't so...sorry man...:lol:

haha... oh well... thought that counts though right!

k, i think tthis guys done. For the time being anyways... roasted like a baked dinner on Sunday... better hit it... later!

[igotJUIC3]

Zu doesnt beat PBF or OSCAR

[IrnBruMan]

oh fuck, here we go again! :patsch

Sorry, I'm off to bed :hi:

[Rock0052]

I don't want to hear about if. And I don't want to hear 'should of could of would of' bullshit. The only fight that matters is the fight Tszyu got his ass handed to him by Phillips. From a couple of post I've seen on this thread it's obviously Tszyu fans cant live down the fact that he was handedly defeated. As I said before you so-called Tszyu fans are doing a disservice to Tszyu by attempting to rationalize and make excuses for his defeat. This makes you look like a poor sport. Case Closed.


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If it makes you feel better, you can discard the last part about Tszyu likely destroying Phillips in the rematch.

You still can't argue the rest of my post and win. Saying that Tszyu took the disappointment from that loss (which I never made excuses for) and became a better fighter isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

[jopez707]

I am sorry but Tszyu has never beaten any hall of fame fighters that werent light years removed from their prime. The best fighter he ever beat (in their prime) was either Sharmba Mitchell or Zab Judah; depending on who you liked better. He never beat a great fighter(in their prime), I think he loses to DlH, Mosley and possibly Cotto. I think a Cotto-Tszyu fight would have been great; though I think Tszyu would take him out.

[See Me Flow]

Muttley: It was you who said "the only fight that matters is the loss to Phillips" right?

In direct response to Rock0052's statement, "If there would've been a rematch, Kostya would've destroyed Vince."

My God you are an intellectual lightweight, Muddy. You miserably perpetrate as some astute analysis on this forum when essential you're nothing more than a keyboard charlatan. :lol:

I called bullshit on that, citing what Tszyu went on to achieve after that loss. If you're too fucking one-eyed to take in the big picture, and prefer instead to focus on one fight because it makes you feel a lot better about Judah and Mitchell getting their arses handed to them by Tszyu, then so be it.

You're talking loud but you're not saying anything.

It makes you feel a lot better about Judah and Mitchell getting their arrses handed to them.

Not only are you insane but a delusional ADD recipient desperately hanging on your mothers titty.

You have a hard on for Judah and Mitchell. Why? When their names never once came into the equation in any of my post. Now show me where I mentioned Judah and Mitchell? :D However, once again, you deliberately avoided the original question which was "You deliberately failed to mention SSM and DLH" as opponents who would likely beat Tszyu.

you who is doing a disservice to every opponent Tszyu beat

Now you have plagiarized my terminology and use of the word "disservice". What's the problem Mud, having a difficult time being original?


Oh wait, let me guess, here comes the 'styles make fights' reasoning from the Tszyu hater :-(

Simple question: Do styles makes fights, yes or no?


And in regards to your point about not mattering if you stand in front of Tszyu or win on points? Tell me who the fuck ever beat Tszyu on points you lame motherfucker


Immaterial to the question put before you for the hundredth time.

Tszyu was handedly defeated by Phillips and in all practical purposes the probability of Tszyu losing to DLH, PBF, SSM and Tito is greater than any opponent he ever faced in his career.

Now did the left side of your disordered brain comprehend this rather simple information?
:rofl
:devil

[See Me Flow]

If it makes you feel better, you can discard the last part about Tszyu likely destroying Phillips in the rematch.

You still can't argue the rest of my post and win. Saying that Tszyu took the disappointment from that loss (which I never made excuses for) and became a better fighter isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

Tszyu was allegedly a better fighter who never faced DLH, PBF, SSM or Tito! His career is built up on top fighters he never fought.

[brownpimp88]

no he didn't

i guess shane mosley also avoided him too?
Let's look at it this way, when Mosley and De La Hoya fought each other in 2000, shane made the jump from lightweight to welterweight. If he knew in his own mind that he can beat Kostya, he would have fought him at 140 and then move up to welterweight when the time is right and make a fight with de la hoya seem more important. Oscar and Shane both knew that a fight with Kostya at 140 would be a huge risk, that's why De La Hoya targeted the old chavez cuz he knew it would draw more money. In a way, Kostya was similiar to Aaron Pryor because his resume is not that strong but, he was avoided by fighters due to the fact that they knew fighting him could break them due to the risk factor.

[joito3]

Let's look at it this way, when Mosley and De La Hoya fought each other in 2000, shane made the jump from lightweight to welterweight. If he knew in his own mind that he can beat Kostya, he would have fought him at 140 and then move up to welterweight when the time is right and make a fight with de la hoya seem more important. Oscar and Shane both knew that a fight with Kostya at 140 would be a huge risk, that's why De La Hoya targeted the old chavez cuz he knew it would draw more money. In a way, Kostya was similiar to Aaron Pryor because his resume is not that strong but, he was avoided by fighters due to the fact that they knew fighting him could break them due to the risk factor.


tszyu fought that same old chavez and how can you knock mosley for skipping 140 to go to a higher weight class at 147 against ODLH who is naturally bigger than him & beating DLH at that !

Mosley would have destroyed tsyzu

[IrnBruMan]

In direct response to Rock0052's statement, "If there would've been a rematch, Kostya would've destroyed Vince."

My God you are an intellectual lightweight, Muddy. You miserably perpetrate as some astute analysis on this forum when essential you're nothing more than a keyboard charlatan. :lol:

My God, and you're an intellectual heavyweight I suppose, with your misuse of tense and possessive noun - how can I "perpetrate as some astute analysis"? Perhaps you mean "perpetrate as some astute analyst"?:yep

And you've also misused the form of the adjective "essential". Add another couple of letters to the end of that (namely 'l' and 'y') and you've got yourself the correct form ie: "essentially" :yep

Keyboard charlatan indeed :rofl looks like you done tripped over yourself in your haste to come across as someone who knows what they're talking about, eh sucka? :yep

You're talking loud but you're not saying anything.

Indeed you are you poor fellow, indeed you are. Keep trying though, you are the little engine who could! :lol:

Not only are you insane but a delusional ADD recipient desperately hanging on your mothers titty.

You have a hard on for Judah and Mitchell. Why? When their names never once came into the equation in any of my post. Now show me where I mentioned Judah and Mitchell? :D However, once again, you deliberately avoided the original question which was "You deliberately failed to mention SSM and DLH" as opponents who would likely beat Tszyu.



Now you have plagiarized my terminology and use of the word "disservice". What's the problem Mud, having a difficult time being original?




Simple question: Do styles makes fights, yes or no?



Immaterial to the question put before you for the hundredth time.

Tszyu was handedly defeated by Phillips and in all practical purposes the probability of Tszyu losing to DLH, PBF, SSM and Tito is greater than any opponent he ever faced in his career.

Now did the left side of your disordered brain comprehend this rather simple information?
:rofl
:devil

Now now semenflow, what did I tell you about trying to sound like you know what you're talking about :nono :lol:

Seriously pal, I know you like to kid on you're a literary genius, but all you've posted is a load of piss and wind - and highlighted how very little you actually do know (see the first quote in this post :yep ).

Now you're trying to claim context over what I'm discussing? If you can't back up the crap you post, just give it up, don't try to rewrite the subject matter.

I'm glad you boiled it down to this though:

"Tszyu was handedly defeated by Phillips and in all practical purposes the probability of Tszyu losing to DLH, PBF, SSM and Tito is greater than any opponent he ever faced in his career."

What you're doing is, like I said earlier, basing your opinion on the Phillips loss.

If that is your measure of Tszyu's abilities, you obviously believe that Phillips would beat everyone Tszyu beat.

Like I said, you focus on that instead of taking all factors into account, which pretty much indicates you're not objective, and therefore should save yourself the time of writing pompous, longwinded rubbish when your motive is apparent.

BTW, my apparent plagiarising of 'your terminology'?:rofl

It's a simple trick used to keep idiots like yourself on track - using words and terminology they are already familiar with so they don't have to think too hard and tax their little brains. I see it worked with you, you noticed 'your word' straight away! :happy

Here's some more terminology you should be quite familiar with - you're a dumb motherfucker who suffers delusions of grandeur :yep

I expect yet another longwinded post from you that does nothing but huff and puff, but doesn't blow any houses down - I suggest you check your spelling and grammar before you post it though, so as not to make yourself look like a fucking pompous fool again :yep

[keepemup]

I really have to say Kostya's victory over Judah although well deserved, had a lot to do with Judah getting way too full of himself thinking he had Tszyu beat before he actually did. Kostya was backpedaling throughout round one and two getting caught by nearly everything Judah had thrown. Judah begins to celebrate, and then Kostya promtly KO's him. Good job Kostya bad job Judah.

[Dekkers]

Kostya was backpedaling throughout round one and two getting caught by nearly everything Judah had thrown. Judah begins to celebrate, and then Kostya promtly KO's him.
Tell me truthfully, have you seen this fight in it's entirety :huh

You think Judah was winning the second round before the stoppage?

[IrnBruMan]

I really have to say Kostya's victory over Judah although well deserved, had a lot to do with Judah getting way too full of himself thinking he had Tszyu beat before he actually did. Kostya was backpedaling throughout round one and two getting caught by nearly everything Judah had thrown. Judah begins to celebrate, and then Kostya promtly KO's him. Good job Kostya bad job Judah.

I disagree - Judah only actually landed 3 clean punches on Tszyu in rd 1 - I actually watched it again yesterday. The first one was the uppercut when Judah was on the ropes that got Tszyu backpedalling, but of all the punches Judah threw after that, only 2 actually landed, and of those 2, only 1 was effective, and it was when he had Tszyu on the ropes.

It's a common belief that Judah eased up because he got cocky and started to cruise in rd 2, but if you watch the last 30 seconds of rd 1, you'll see Tszyu get Judah with a nice bodyshot, and it is from that point on that Judah became leery of Tszyu - he felt his power and didn't like it.

So he was staying away from Tszyu in rd 2, not cruising, and he didn't even manage to do that very well.

[PorkChopExpress]

I disagree - Judah only actually landed 3 clean punches on Tszyu in rd 1 - I actually watched it again yesterday. The first one was the uppercut when Judah was on the ropes that got Tszyu backpedalling, but of all the punches Judah threw after that, only 2 actually landed, and of those 2, only 1 was effective, and it was when he had Tszyu on the ropes.

It's a common belief that Judah eased up because he got cocky and started to cruise in rd 2, but if you watch the last 30 seconds of rd 1, you'll see Tszyu get Judah with a nice bodyshot, and it is from that point on that Judah became leery of Tszyu - he felt his power and didn't like it.

So he was staying away from Tszyu in rd 2, not cruising, and he didn't even manage to do that very well.

It's such a huge misconception that Tszyu was losing that fight before the stoppage. I even thought that way til I watched it this year some time... But if you do watch it, Tszyu had him on the run after that body shot and round 2 he adjusted to catch him. Two rounds to time one of the fastest WW and one of the fastest P4P... yeah, what an overrated bum he is. :nut