Foreman vs Stewart

[buzzsaw]

Did you think George's climb back was over after this fight? Did you think he won this fight?

[ChrisPontius]

I thought Stewart edged it despite the knockdowns. Foremans face was horribly swollen. Amazing that he was disfigured way less against Holyfield, where he took a big amount of punishment as well.

[Thread Stealer]

I had George ahead 95-93.

[rekcutnevets]

I haven't really watched that fight since around the time it happened. I either had Foreman by one point, or a draw. I do remember it was the eighth round that kept Foreman in the fight.

I remember thinking George backed off a little, and let Stewart back in the fight. Stewart was difficult to defeat once you got him going.

I did not think this fight ended George's career, but I did not think he would regain the heavyweight championship. That is, until the Moorer fight was made. I did pick George to win that one. I made a whole $20 on that fight.

[Denny Cruser]

Amazing that he was disfigured way less against Holyfield, where he took a big amount of punishment as well.
I think the major reason that Foreman corner ignore some basics, such as didnt treate the swelling with enswell. Later the process became unsoppable and treating was uneffective.
Second reason that Stewart can hit more hard than Holyfield.
ps I think Stewart decerves at least a draw.

[DamonD]

I thought Foreman got it by a single point, thanks to the early knockdowns...because there's no doubt that by the end, he was getting a pretty severe battering in there. If it had been a 12 round fight instead of 10, Stewart would've got it.

And yes, I certainly thought this might be the end for Foreman...and the loss to Morrison seemed to confirm it. But then 18 months or so later, Moorer looks for an 'easy ride'...

[Sonny's jab]

I thought Stewart edged it despite the knockdowns. Foremans face was horribly swollen. Amazing that he was disfigured way less against Holyfield, where he took a big amount of punishment as well.

Alex Stewart was a heck of a puncher, but a bit of a slow starter.

I liked Alex Stewart as a fighter. I really think he was managed badly. Somehow they got him a number 2 rating with the WBC from knocking over 24 straight tomato cans. Then they really gambled on him beating Holyfield to get the number 1 rating. And he fought his heart out but came up short. Then, after beating another few nobodies, the next top fighter he faces is Mike Tyson, who's all pissed off about losing to Buster Douglas ! :lol:

Alex Stewart went from a top prospect/young contender to an "opponent" in 12 months, because they put him in with the two best guys out there, who were damned good (great) fighters in or around their primes. That possibly knocked an "opponent mentality" into Stewart, although he did well shaking up Moorer and beating on old Foreman.
I suppose it comes down to taking the big paydays for your fighter when the opportunities arise, because there's no guarantee they'll come again, but I really believe he might have been better if he's been seasoned more before facing Holyfield and Tyson.

[mr. magoo]

Alex Stewart was a heck of a puncher, but a bit of a slow starter.

[QUOTE]I liked Alex Stewart as a fighter. I really think he was managed badly.

Agreed,

Alex Stewart was a 1984 Olympian who fought for Jamaica. Upon turning pro, he won 24 fights by way of knockout in just over 4 years. I can't believe with his status as an olympian, plus his unbeaten record, that he couldn't get a decent fight prior to facing Holyfield and Tyson. When you have an undefeated Olympian on your payroll, and you can't find him some good fights, then you really do suck as a manager/promotor. By the time Stewart was maybe 15-0, they should have been getting him in with guys like Tillis, Snipes, Broad, Page, Bugner, Sims and some others. Instead, he fought Jaco, Lawhorne and a number of other bums.

Waste of talent...

[Sonny's jab]

Agreed,

Alex Stewart was a 1984 Olympian who fought for Jamaica. Upon turning pro, he won 24 fights by way of knockout in just over 4 years. I can't believe with his status as an olympian, plus his unbeaten record, that he couldn't get a decent fight prior to facing Holyfield and Tyson. When you have an undefeated Olympian on your payroll, and you can't find him some good fights, then you really do suck as a manager/promotor. By the time Stewart was maybe 15-0, they should have been getting him in with guys like Tillis, Snipes, Broad, Page, Bugner, Sims and some others. Instead, he fought Jaco, Lawhorne and a number of other bums.

Waste of talent...

Yeah, Tillis was an obligatory stepping stone. Snipes, Broad, Page are all great suggestions. Mike Weaver.

Faded ranked fighters like Bonecrusher Smith, Pinklon Thomas and Tyrell Biggs should have been on their radar before just throwing him in with Holyfield, and then Tyson. It's crazy.
Holyfield and Tyson were special fighters on missions, and looking like it.
You dont just go from fighting the likes of Lorenzo Canady and Eddie Richardson to fighting BADASSES like that, that's cruel management.

I know Alex Stewart was a New York-based fighter, and that probably got him a lot of exposure/attention and the high ranking, maybe pressured the big fights on, but his managers really brought him along in an odd manner.

[mr. magoo]

Yeah, Tillis was an obligatory stepping stone. Snipes, Broad, Page are all great suggestions. Mike Weaver.

Faded ranked fighters like Bonecrusher Smith, Pinklon Thomas and Tyrell Biggs should have been on their radar before just throwing him in with Holyfield, and then Tyson. It's crazy.
Holyfield and Tyson were special fighters on missions, and looking like it.
You dont just go from fighting the likes of Lorenzo Canady and Eddie Richardson to fighting BADASSES like that, that's cruel management.

I know Alex Stewart was a New York-based fighter, and that probably got him a lot of exposure/attention and the high ranking, maybe pressured the big fights on, but his managers really brought him along in an odd manner.

His inexperience showed horribly against Evander Holyfield, as you well know. In fact, I believe I may still have that fight recorded on VHS in a box somewhere. At anyrate, he had a very under developed defense, or none at all. He didn't know how to tie a fighter up, or clinch when he was in trouble. He neglected to use the jab, while over applying hooks and crosses. Lastly, he had never gone beyond 4 rounds in his entire career, and was in fact, floored by a previous opponent named Terry Armstrong.

[ChrisPontius]

Alex Stewart was a heck of a puncher, but a bit of a slow starter.

I liked Alex Stewart as a fighter. I really think he was managed badly. Somehow they got him a number 2 rating with the WBC from knocking over 24 straight tomato cans. Then they really gambled on him beating Holyfield to get the number 1 rating. And he fought his heart out but came up short. Then, after beating another few nobodies, the next top fighter he faces is Mike Tyson, who's all pissed off about losing to Buster Douglas ! :lol:

Alex Stewart went from a top prospect/young contender to an "opponent" in 12 months, because they put him in with the two best guys out there, who were damned good (great) fighters in or around their primes. That possibly knocked an "opponent mentality" into Stewart, although he did well shaking up Moorer and beating on old Foreman.
I suppose it comes down to taking the big paydays for your fighter when the opportunities arise, because there's no guarantee they'll come again, but I really believe he might have been better if he's been seasoned more before facing Holyfield and Tyson.

I too think he's a bit overlooked. The 90's/80's had a lot of talent and he certainly had it. I agree that the way Tyson blew him away made him look like another easy opponent. Tyson deserves credit for blowing him away like that, when he gave Holyfield a pretty tough fight.

How did you score the Foreman-Stewart fight?

[Sonny's jab]

I too think he's a bit overlooked. The 90's/80's had a lot of talent and he certainly had it. I agree that the way Tyson blew him away made him look like another easy opponent. Tyson deserves credit for blowing him away like that, when he gave Holyfield a pretty tough fight.

How did you score the Foreman-Stewart fight?

A draw.
I think Stewart maybe edged it, despite the knockdowns. But I think I had it even on first viewing, and I was rooting for Foreman at the time.

[The Kurgan]

Funnily enough, I was thinking about Alex Stewart today... And his fight with Paul Poirer, oddly enough.

Against Foreman, I had it a draw. Stewart showed a ridiculous level of heart in that bout. As people have already suggested, had he been brought along more astutely, he could have been the champ. I honestly think he could have upset Holyfield had he had the same opportunity that Michael Moorer did.

[Russell]

Can't think of very man fights where a guy got it as bad as Foreman did here. Eeech.

[DamonD]

Yes...only one off the top of my head is Morrison-Hipp. Or maybe Katsidis's last fight.

Oh, hang on, Bowe-Golota II. The very definition of pyrrhic victory.
Battered, bruised, bleeding, brain damaged and your balls hurt. Not much fun.