some good "old school" training today...

[Nwil]

so, today, after the normal stuff like jumping rope, pads, etc., my trainer took me outside and had me do a few drills. the first was to take each rock from this pile of about 40 rocks, and sprint with it over to this cone about 15 feet away and drop it there. once I had dropped all the rocks there, I had to do the same thing to bring them back. this drill was very good because it worked strength in a compound way, got my lungs going, and worked my anaerobic system pretty well. it seems drills like these, where the movement of matter is more natural than slow and controlled - like certain weighted exercises - has the greatest benefit (which is why tire training is arguably the best for power).

the next drill, and I know I'll get some criticisms for this, was as follows: my trainer held my legs and had me walk about 25 feet on my knuckles (on the pavement). he let me rest, but I had to do it once more. I feel that this drill is the type of thing fighters should do to build mental fortitude/tolerance for pain...i.e., at the beginning I didn't think I could make it, but by the end I was able to tune it out.

so, while there have been many advances in training, today just showed me how much you can do with, and gain from, your environment and more natural exercises.

[Relentless]

ermmm......

who cares?

[El Puma]

ermmm......

who cares?Well, it is the training section but yeah, his knuckle walking routine is a bit odd.

[Relentless]

i have no idea why they are making him walk on his knuckles at a boxercise class.

[El Puma]

i have no idea why they are making him walk on his knuckles at a boxercise class.Weirdos i reckon. I mean, our fists get wrapped and stuffed into boxing gloves you know? Strange people in this world.

[Nwil]

ermmm......

who cares?

this is the training section, faggot.

i have no idea why they are making him walk on his knuckles at a boxercise class.

I don't go to a boxing class. it's called training, which encompasses quite a lot.

what is so hard to get about this? it's called enduring pain.

[Johnboy2007]

The first ones good but i can beat the second , in my boxing gym he hasnt bothered buying heavy bags or gloves , we just hit the brick wall as hard as possible. Were all as hard as nails now. Hes got a similar thing to the rocks but its slightly different we stand by a cone and he just hurls rocks at us , really toughens up the head and body.:good















:tong

[Relentless]

this is the training section, faggot.



I don't go to a boxing class. it's called training, which encompasses quite a lot.

what is so hard to get about this? it's called enduring pain.

this is more of a lounge post you stupid fruit cake.:yep

[Nwil]

I don't get why people are against this type of training. in thailand they make the kids kick bamboo trees. I mean, there are so many worse things that fighters in other countries do. it's like people think doing training where you deliberately endure pain is stupid...I mean, I wouldnt have someone drops bricks on my head, but still...

[Relentless]

I don't get why people are against this type of training. in thailand they make the kids kick bamboo trees. I mean, there are so many worse things that fighters in other countries do. it's like people think doing training where you deliberately endure pain is stupid...I mean, I wouldnt have someone drops bricks on my head, but still...

kids in cuba dont eat for days to make weight, in china they make themselves bleed to make the skin tougher.

this isn't old school training, its just stupid.

[Nwil]

kids in cuba dont eat for days to make weight, in china they make themselves bleed to make the skin tougher.

this isn't old school training, its just stupid.

but that's just your perception. "stupid" is a relative term. just because it doesn't agree with all the scientific facts you base your training on...

oh yeah, I didn't mean the second drill was old school, only the first, in the sense that it was simple, natural, etc.

[Nwil]

that shit toughens them up for sure, and that is the point of it.

[viru§™]

that shit toughens them up for sure, and that is the point of it.

The point is to kill nerves in the shin so they don't feel pain when they kick someone in the face, nothing to do with mental toughness. Since boxers wear gloves the "training" you're doing is just stupid.

[Nwil]

The point is to kill nerves in the shin so they don't feel pain when they kick someone in the face, nothing to do with mental toughness. Since boxers wear gloves the "training" you're doing is just stupid.

ok, you're right, the point is to kill nerve fibers, but it still toughens them up. I'm just saying that I would feel more confident going into a fight knowing I did shit my opponent didnt do or was too scared to do...yeah boxers wear gloves, so what? you can't tell me that kind of drill doesnt build fortitude. calling it stupid is stupid. I have a few small ass scrapes on my knuckles. it's not like I was punching the ground.

point blank: hard body training to toughen up mind and body. some call it stupid, I have no clue why. you can't always train in a nice warm gym with gloves and headgear on. you gotta break yourself down.

and I'm not claiming to be some tough ass guy...but I am willing to do such drills because they do benefit me mentally.

[Relentless]

ok, you're right, the point is to kill nerve fibers, but it still toughens them up. I'm just saying that I would feel more confident going into a fight knowing I did shit my opponent didnt do or was too scared to do...yeah boxers wear gloves, so what? you can't tell me that kind of drill doesnt build fortitude. calling it stupid is stupid. I have a few small ass scrapes on my knuckles. it's not like I was punching the ground.

point blank: hard body training to toughen up mind and body. some call it stupid, I have no clue why. you can't always train in a nice warm gym with gloves and headgear on. you gotta break yourself down.

and I'm not claiming to be some tough ass guy...but I am willing to do such drills because they do benefit me mentally.

usually people train the way they fight.

[Nwil]

usually people train the way they fight.

that's kind of my point. some people will do that, but I think the training should be the hard part (like really hard), so that the fight is easy.

[boxingtactics07]

First exercise seems great, I'll try that one out when I get a chance. I'm not a fan of #2 though.

[Johnboy2007]

I don't get why people are against this type of training. in thailand they make the kids kick bamboo trees. I mean, there are so many worse things that fighters in other countries do. it's like people think doing training where you deliberately endure pain is stupid...I mean, I wouldnt have someone drops bricks on my head, but still...

Yeh the kids in martial arts in the orient do do things like that to toughen them up. It is actually proven scientifically to work , it makes bone structure denser. HOWEVER this is KIDS from very young ages when their bones are still developing, how old are you? By walking on you hands i think youll just be damaging your most important tools in this sport. How you gunna feel when you have glass hands in fights later on. Walking on your hands with flat palms would be good, but i imagine that your just damaging your hands. You should ask your doctor actually if you dont believe us see what he says.

[Johnboy2007]

Also you should respect your coach but this isnt the army you dont have to follow blindly and be a sheep , do your own research

[Relentless]

if my coach wants to mentally toughen us up, he puts us in a ice bath.

[Johnboy2007]

if my coach wants to mentally toughen us up, he puts us in a ice bath.

Naked ? Thatd either make you one tough bastard, gay or scar you for life.

What ever floats your boat relentless :yep

[younghypnotiq]

I don't get why people are against this type of training. in thailand they make the kids kick bamboo trees. I mean, there are so many worse things that fighters in other countries do. it's like people think doing training where you deliberately endure pain is stupid...I mean, I wouldnt have someone drops bricks on my head, but still...

1. they kickc banna trees actually retard.
2. bannana trees are softer then a heavy bag
3. they only do that because they are to poor to buy heavy bags

[Relentless]

Naked ? Thatd either make you one tough bastard, gay or scar you for life.

What ever floats your boat relentless :yep

we get to keep our shorts on:yep

we have something similar to this


(this looks alittle gay :rofl )
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our one is for one person and it is one where you sit in, i've never done it yet.

[Johnboy2007]

lol nice pic, yeh i was just kidding, cant remember who it was now but some english marathon runner was saying its the best sort of recovery shes never sore if she gets in one. Think id rather be sore tho lol.

Hypnotic iv never heard of a tree that is softer than a heavy bag, also iv seen footage of martial artists hitting concrete , dense wood ect when they are very young so he is right it does happen , my point was i cant see that sort of bone conditioning working on a fully developed adult. So unless you know exactly what your talking about try to refrain from calling people retards. You only make yourself look stupid.:thumbsup

[Johnboy2007]

I don't get why people are against this type of training. in thailand they make the kids kick bamboo trees. I mean, there are so many worse things that fighters in other countries do. it's like people think doing training where you deliberately endure pain is stupid...I mean, I wouldnt have someone drops bricks on my head, but still...

I can kinda see where your coming from but i just think that these days sport has gone beyond these old school methods , and realised that they can be damaging. Im no expert but maybe you should look into it and find out for yourself what your doing to your body and weather these "exercises" are actually benificial

[cheech]

Regarding the ice baths... Have you seen the recent video of Wanderlei Silva prepare for Chuck Liddell. He used the ice baths to help his body recover faster after doing hard calisthenic drills.

The martial art toughen up drills are good for weeding out pussy's. Other than that, they do not improve performance or improve bone denisity more than doing other hitting drills. What top 10 ranked boxer or MMA does traditional toughen up drills?

[Johnboy2007]

Regarding the ice baths... Have you seen the recent video of Wanderlei Silva prepare for Chuck Liddell. He used the ice baths to help his body recover faster after doing hard calisthenic drills.

The martial art toughen up drills are good for weeding out pussy's. Other than that, they do not improve performance or improve bone denisity more than doing other hitting drills. What top 10 ranked boxer or MMA does traditional toughen up drills?

Sorry but your wrong , thats an old myth that those martial arts drills were just for show, studies have shown now that it does improve bone density and the bones will actually compact and become harder. Iv read it a few times but i believe i last saw it on national geog fight science ( may be wrong but thats where i think i last saw it). As for mma i have know idea but the fact that mma is a sport that for the most part mimics several martial arts , suggests that they are not going to be as advanced as 1 single martial arts training perfected over hundreds sometimes 1000's of years. And like i said this type of bone conditioning is done from an early age so for the average mma or boxer who starts in his teens it will probably not help as the bones are developed and would be more brittol. MMA is no where close to being the pinicale of martial arts so its not much good comparing their training techniques.

[Nwil]

1. they kickc banna trees actually retard.
2. bannana trees are softer then a heavy bag
3. they only do that because they are to poor to buy heavy bags

did you just use the word retard?:patsch

you are a fucking idiot, they don't kick trees because they can't afford heavy bags. that's why there are gyms. also, why do the asian kids cut themselves?

Also you should respect your coach but this isnt the army you dont have to follow blindly and be a sheep , do your own research

I wouldn't refuse a specific drill unless I felt very strongly about it. my trainer isn't unreasonable and has my best interests in mind.

if my coach wants to mentally toughen us up, he puts us in a ice bath.

that's good, but you get used to it after a couple of minutes.

oh yeah, john, I'm almost 18.

[younghypnotiq]

lol nice pic, yeh i was just kidding, cant remember who it was now but some english marathon runner was saying its the best sort of recovery shes never sore if she gets in one. Think id rather be sore tho lol.

Hypnotic iv never heard of a tree that is softer than a heavy bag, also iv seen footage of martial artists hitting concrete , dense wood ect when they are very young so he is right it does happen , my point was i cant see that sort of bone conditioning working on a fully developed adult. So unless you know exactly what your talking about try to refrain from calling people retards. You only make yourself look stupid.:thumbsup

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thats a banna tree very soft the tai do not kick concrete or anthing. u fucking idiot. only some morons kick hard concrete

[younghypnotiq]

hey john boy and nwil the dumbases
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In the early days Muay Thai training equipment was found from nature. The smooth, slightly spongy nature of the trunk of a banana tree was found suitable for kicking practice.

[Primadonna Kool]

we get to keep our shorts on:yep

we have something similar to this


(this looks alittle gay :rofl )
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our one is for one person and it is one where you sit in, i've never done it yet.


Using Ice Baths.....is Cold Therapy. It's help the recovery of the CNS.Central Nervous System....and reduces inflammation in muscles after your workouts...so overall it promotes good recovery. Especially after High Intensity workouts....Many sprinters...get in tube's like that full of ice.

[Relentless]

that's good, but you get used to it after a couple of minutes.


you do NOT get used to it in a few minutes, it takes real mental strength to even get yourself into one of those,

i have tried in cold water but not filled with ice, on the first time i couldn't get myself to sit down, the second time i got in and sat for 5 minutes, but that 5 minutes felt like an eternity.

[Nwil]

hey john boy and nwil the dumbases

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In the early days Muay Thai training equipment was found from nature. The smooth, slightly spongy nature of the trunk of a banana tree was found suitable for kicking practice.
you are arguably one of the dumbest kids I have ever encountered, so it is insane for you to call anyone else stupid (and learn how to spell)

and the point of my example was that they have kids kick hard trees to kill nerve fibers. that's the whole point of the drill.

I'm sure your bitchass wouldn't even kick a bamboo tree:rofl

[Relentless]

you are arguably one of the dumbest kids I have ever encountered, so it is insane for you to call anyone else stupid (and learn how to spell)

and the point of my example was that they have kids kick hard trees to kill nerve fibers. that's the whole point of the drill.

I'm sure your bitchass wouldn't even kick a bamboo tree:rofl

he'd kick your ass, just take yourself over to brooklyn.

[Johnboy2007]

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thats a banna tree very soft the tai do not kick concrete or anthing. u fucking idiot. only some morons kick hard concrete

Ok then hypnotiq the genius, if you can read which im doubting why dont you look at my posts and quote the one where i mentioned Thai boxing? You might have some trouble with that. I believe i said martial arts. Throughout the martial arts world there are many examples of people using toughening up exercises, such as breaking concrete with bare hands , hitting very dense wood ect ect the list goes on, as i said this would not be benificial to the average boxer there for i would deffinatley not suggest you attempt it as by your posts i judge your far far far below average. However despite comon belief that hitting hard objects is just to show of it is actually benificial and does change bone structure to a denser form if done from an early age for many years

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there are 1000's of examples and martial arts have know this for 100's of years , and believe me they know alot more than you think you know. Right i like helping the mentally challanged but iv got stuff to do im afraid.


Oh yeh forgot to say fuck off.

[younghypnotiq]

Ok then hypnotiq the genius, if you can read which im doubting why dont you look at my posts and quote the one where i mentioned Thai boxing? You might have some trouble with that. I believe i said martial arts. Throughout the martial arts world there are many examples of people using toughening up exercises, such as breaking concrete with bare hands , hitting very dense wood ect ect the list goes on, as i said this would not be benificial to the average boxer there for i would deffinatley not suggest you attempt it as by your posts i judge your far far far below average. However despite comon belief that hitting hard objects is just to show of it is actually benificial and does change bone structure to a denser form if done from an early age for many years

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there are 1000's of examples and martial arts have know this for 100's of years , and believe me they know alot more than you think you know. Right i like helping the mentally challanged but iv got stuff to do im afraid.


Oh yeh forgot to say fuck off.

i was arging that there are trees softer then heavy bags. also nwil stated that THAI boxers used bamboo trees

[younghypnotiq]

Ok then hypnotiq the genius, if you can read which im doubting why dont you look at my posts and quote the one where i mentioned Thai boxing? You might have some trouble with that. I believe i said martial arts. Throughout the martial arts world there are many examples of people using toughening up exercises, such as breaking concrete with bare hands , hitting very dense wood ect ect the list goes on, as i said this would not be benificial to the average boxer there for i would deffinatley not suggest you attempt it as by your posts i judge your far far far below average. However despite comon belief that hitting hard objects is just to show of it is actually benificial and does change bone structure to a denser form if done from an early age for many years

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there are 1000's of examples and martial arts have know this for 100's of years , and believe me they know alot more than you think you know. Right i like helping the mentally challanged but iv got stuff to do im afraid.


Oh yeh forgot to say fuck off.

BTW no fucking shit. obviouly hitting hard objects hardens ur bone. i agree with that.

[Nwil]

he'd kick your ass, just take yourself over to brooklyn.

yeah, right. have you ever even met him or seen a video of him? oh, and by the way, we're not even in the same weight class, if I recall correctly, although I'm sure his skill is not that of mine, so it would probably be an interesting fight. actually, one of my friends is about his weight and height (and most likely more skilled) and I've beaten him on multiple occasions.

so, do you know what you're talking about, or are you just stirring shit up?

[Johnboy2007]

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thats a banna tree very soft the tai do not kick concrete or anthing. u fucking idiot. only some morons kick hard concrete


Implies that you think the idea of it is stupid , please if you ever see anyone breaking concrete ect please go and call them a moron oh and please get someone to video the result. You didnt know that it made your bones harder until i just told you, you probably dont know your arse from your elbow.


Nwil relentless is just stirring shit probably its what he does best , but hes also a good poster with good advice when he stops shit stirring lol

[Relentless]

yeah, right. have you ever even met him or seen a video of him? oh, and by the way, we're not even in the same weight class, if I recall correctly, although I'm sure his skill is not that of mine, so it would probably be an interesting fight. actually, one of my friends is about his weight and height (and most likely more skilled) and I've beaten him on multiple occasions.

so, do you know what you're talking about, or are you just stirring shit up?

younghypno is straight out of BK i dont need to know him or see him, he would kick your ass and your stupid friends ass all on the same day while makin' sweet love to your brother.

[pudding]

so, today, after the normal stuff like jumping rope, pads, etc., my trainer took me outside and had me do a few drills. the first was to take each rock from this pile of about 40 rocks, and sprint with it over to this cone about 15 feet away and drop it there. once I had dropped all the rocks there, I had to do the same thing to bring them back. this drill was very good because it worked strength in a compound way, got my lungs going, and worked my anaerobic system pretty well. it seems drills like these, where the movement of matter is more natural than slow and controlled - like certain weighted exercises - has the greatest benefit (which is why tire training is arguably the best for power).

the next drill, and I know I'll get some criticisms for this, was as follows: my trainer held my legs and had me walk about 25 feet on my knuckles (on the pavement). he let me rest, but I had to do it once more. I feel that this drill is the type of thing fighters should do to build mental fortitude/tolerance for pain...i.e., at the beginning I didn't think I could make it, but by the end I was able to tune it out.

so, while there have been many advances in training, today just showed me how much you can do with, and gain from, your environment and more natural exercises.



The "advances in training" common in other sports have not yet infiltrated boxing. All we have today is a silly preoccupation with so called strength training used to duck proper but boring boxing training. If these modern methods are so good why is it the general level of boxing skills and fitness is deteriorating?

When I was young hand injuries were not so common as they are today. Why you ask? Simple, boxers are too busy playing with weight training that they don't have enough time to condition their hands. They will tell you that bench presses are more efficient than pushups. What they don't know is that boxers should do pushups on their fingers and knuckles. After many months of conditioning this will strengthen the bones in their hands. Walking on the hands and knuckles was common practise in boxing clubs 70 years ago. Maybe it won't make the biceps any bigger, but it certainly reduces hand injuries.

[viru§™]

The "advances in training" common in other sports have not yet infiltrated boxing. All we have today is a silly preoccupation with so called strength training used to duck proper but boring boxing training. If these modern methods are so good why is it the general level of boxing skills and fitness is deteriorating?

When I was young hand injuries were not so common as they are today. Why you ask? Simple, boxers are too busy playing with weight training that they don't have enough time to condition their hands. They will tell you that bench presses are more efficient than pushups. What they don't know is that boxers should do pushups on their fingers and knuckles. After many months of conditioning this will strengthen the bones in their hands. Walking on the hands and knuckles was common practise in boxing clubs 70 years ago. Maybe it won't make the biceps any bigger, but it certainly reduces hand injuries.

You're someone who clearly has no clue about weight training, and seeing as you don't know anything about it, it must be wrong. :lol:

[Relentless]

The "advances in training" common in other sports have not yet infiltrated boxing. All we have today is a silly preoccupation with so called strength training used to duck proper but boring boxing training. If these modern methods are so good why is it the general level of boxing skills and fitness is deteriorating?

When I was young hand injuries were not so common as they are today. Why you ask? Simple, boxers are too busy playing with weight training that they don't have enough time to condition their hands. They will tell you that bench presses are more efficient than pushups. What they don't know is that boxers should do pushups on their fingers and knuckles. After many months of conditioning this will strengthen the bones in their hands. Walking on the hands and knuckles was common practise in boxing clubs 70 years ago. Maybe it won't make the biceps any bigger, but it certainly reduces hand injuries.

name me a boxer who neglects boxing skills for strength training, every boxer that has included strength training to his routine has it as a supplement to his boxing regime.

comparing bench press to push ups is apple to oranges, bench press is for strength and push ups are for endurance.

then again you are a stupid woman, its a waste of time aruing with a cross-trainers bitch, he made you call him daddy!:patsch

[Relentless]

oh and how is boxing skill level deteriorating? top fighters can still fight 12 rounds, and dont give me the shit about 15 rounders, no one trains for 15 rounders any more.

stupid bitch i suggest you learn boxing before pretending to be a know it all.

[Nwil]

The "advances in training" common in other sports have not yet infiltrated boxing. All we have today is a silly preoccupation with so called strength training used to duck proper but boring boxing training. If these modern methods are so good why is it the general level of boxing skills and fitness is deteriorating?

When I was young hand injuries were not so common as they are today. Why you ask? Simple, boxers are too busy playing with weight training that they don't have enough time to condition their hands. They will tell you that bench presses are more efficient than pushups. What they don't know is that boxers should do pushups on their fingers and knuckles. After many months of conditioning this will strengthen the bones in their hands. Walking on the hands and knuckles was common practise in boxing clubs 70 years ago. Maybe it won't make the biceps any bigger, but it certainly reduces hand injuries.

agreed.

oh yeah, relentless, bench is not the same as push ups. with push ups you are stabilizing your body with your toes, so it involves your core. with bench you're only using your upper body to push while your legs dangle from the bench, or rest w/e...

[Relentless]

agreed.

oh yeah, relentless, bench is not the same as push ups. with push ups you are stabilizing your body with your toes, so it involves your core. with bench you're only using your upper body to push while your legs dangle from the bench, or rest w/e...

bench press also stabilises the core, it is a different exercise, its like picking between jump rope and squats.

[Relentless]

pudding doesn't know what the fuck she is talking about half the time, she gives females a bad rep.

[Johnboy2007]

Wow hypno's gone quiet , have i done the impossible and shut him up ?

Mind you maybe hes on his way over to my house to kick my "mother fucking , bitch pussy arse " or words to the effect. Lucky im not home close call.

[RockOn33]

younghypno is straight out of BK i dont need to know him or see him, he would kick your ass and your stupid friends ass all on the same day while makin' sweet love to your brother.

isnt he from NJ? or did he make up some crazy story of how he joined some gang in brooklyn and is now living on the streets? i really wouldnt expect much more from him

[younghypnotiq]

Wow hypno's gone quiet , have i done the impossible and shut him up ?

Mind you maybe hes on his way over to my house to kick my "mother fucking , bitch pussy arse " or words to the effect. Lucky im not home close call.

wtf r u talking about. we agree. we bot agree that hitting hard shit toughens ur bones, BUT the thai boxers DO not as the original poster implied.

[pudding]

You're someone who clearly has no clue about weight training, and seeing as you don't know anything about it, it must be wrong. :lol:


I never claimed to know anything about weight lifting. It should be obvious that there aren't any boxers who know anything about weight lifting as well, otherwise they would have benefited from it.

[cheech]

pudding doesn't know what the fuck she is talking about half the time, she gives females a bad rep.

Especially on this thread

[Johnboy2007]

wtf r u talking about. we agree. we bot agree that hitting hard shit toughens ur bones, BUT the thai boxers DO not as the original poster implied.

Okay mate whatever you say , the posts are there for people to read , we'll have to agree to agree i guess lol

[Relentless]

It should be obvious that there aren't any boxers who know anything about weight lifting as well, otherwise they would have benefited from it.

actually there are, do you watch countdown to fights?

i suggest you take a look.

[Nwil]

wtf r u talking about. we agree. we bot agree that hitting hard shit toughens ur bones, BUT the thai boxers DO not as the original poster implied.

I'll ask my trainer, cause he didn't really specify. I doubt he was referring to kids who kick soft trees...

[Relentless]

I'll ask my trainer, cause he didn't really specify. I doubt he was referring to kids who kick soft trees...

your trainer did thai boxing?

[Nwil]

he's done a lot. I don't think he's trained in thailand, but he did the style. I'll try to find this list of his shit.

[Nwil]

I can't get back to the site....it was wtkdm.com...I think they shut it down because of this scandal shit. but yeah, he's trained in muy thai, boxing, tae kwon do (obviously), trained with the gracies, has had a few semi pro fights....

[joekirkbycobra]

The first ones good but i can beat the second , in my boxing gym he hasnt bothered buying heavy bags or gloves , we just hit the brick wall as hard as possible. Were all as hard as nails now. Hes got a similar thing to the rocks but its slightly different we stand by a cone and he just hurls rocks at us , really toughens up the head and body.:good
:tong

haha nicely put m8

[joekirkbycobra]

that's kind of my point. some people will do that, but I think the training should be the hard part (like really hard), so that the fight is easy.

fight wont b easy because of the nerves on the night