Pavlik's TKO % is 90.6

[MasterCalzaghe]

I hadn't noticed this until now whilst doing some research on the 2nd fight with Taylor, that's a really impressive rating. Basically 9 out of every 10 fights he's in he knocks his opponent out or technically stops them. He also has a 100% win ratio.

Jermain Taylor in comparison has a 58.6% knockout rating and a 93% win rating.

When you take this into account it's hard to see Taylor winning however Pavlik may be going into this rematch over confident (maybe) plus Taylor will come in with either two states of mind; a negative one because of his prior knckout giving Pavlik the edge or a more determined one given the fact he lost and wants redemption.

Personally I see this fight two ways:

Pavlik wins via a knockout or Taylor wins on points - I really don't see any variation on this.

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[196osh]

Taylor always keeps his left hand low. Pavlik can tag him with pretty much anything that he can throw. Even if at the start of the fight he keeps his hands up better Taylor will not be able to deal with Pavliks work rate and power and will start to drop his hands and then Pavlik KO's him again.

Kelly Pavlik KO7 Jermaine Taylor

[Ilesey]

I hadn't noticed this until now whilst doing some research on the 2nd fight with Taylor, that's a really impressive rating. Basically 9 out of every 10 fights he's in he knocks his opponent out or technically stops them. He also has a 100% win ratio.

Jermain Taylor in comparison has a 58.6% knockout rating and a 93% win rating.

When you take this into account it's hard to see Taylor winning however Pavlik may be going into this rematch over confident (maybe) plus Taylor will come in with either two states of mind; a negative one because of his prior knckout giving Pavlik the edge or a more determined one given the fact he lost and wants redemption.

Personally I see this fight two ways:

Pavlik wins via a knockout or Taylor wins on points - I really don't see any variation on this.

Views?

Taylor is a different fighter to Pavlik who is a pressure fighter whereas Taylor is more of a boxer - puncher. Also I would perhaps say that Taylor has fought at a higher level than Pavlik. Last time I thought Pavlik would outwork Taylor who can looked lethargic and uninterested in previous outings. However, this time I think he will outbox Pavlik and win a hard fought decision.

[Smith]

I hope to god Pavlik wins.

But my head is saying Jermain this time.

[peter5]

Its hard for me to envisage JT winning, unless its a comletely different JT. He has so many fundamental flaws, like 196osh said, his left hand dangerously low, has shite stamina, has even worse boxing brain, but hey, Pavlik aint no complete fighter either, but JT needs to come in to the fight with something completely different, otherwise its the same result

[inchpunch]

Taylor may win rounds but a win on points? Not with the discrepancy in stamina and Pavliks relentlessness. Taylor's best chance is an early charge for a KO, but I don't think he has the mental strength to do it. Pavlik is capable of excecuting a gameplan to perfection and to follow instructions from his corner immediately. Taylor will never have this kind of mental strength and coolness, Pavlik by KO again.

[196osh]

Its hard for me to envisage JT winning, unless its a comletely different JT. He has so many fundamental flaws, like 196osh said, his left hand dangerously low, has shite stamina, has even worse boxing brain, but hey, Pavlik aint no complete fighter either, but JT needs to come in to the fight with something completely different, otherwise its the same result

Exactly. Taylor is just flawed. Also he has the worst boxing brain I have ever had the misfortune of seeing.

Fuck sake, If I had Pavlik in that stituation I would have worked out that an uppercut was in order. How Taylor never figured it out is completely infathomable.

Pavlik wont stick his chin out to get hit this time, he never did that after round two in the last fight either and therefore Jermaine is screwed.

Pavlik KO7

[Drexl]

Stats are meaningless unless you take into account quality of opposition.

Joey Abell is a HW with a 94% KO percentage. Joel Julio is 94% as well at Jr. MW. Neither are top-10 though.

[196osh]

Stats are meaningless unless you take into account quality of opposition.

Joey Abell is a HW with a 94% KO percentage. Joel Julio is 94% as well at Jr. MW. Neither are top-10 though.

Kelly Pavlik Undisputed undefeated Middleweight Champion of the world.

He may just be a top 10 MW. :good

[Vantage_West]

lies, flaws and statistics

[peter5]

Staistics are meaningless, 13% of people will tell you that:lol:

[teke]

Its hard for me to envisage JT winning, unless its a comletely different JT. He has so many fundamental flaws, like 196osh said, his left hand dangerously low, has shite stamina, has even worse boxing brain, but hey, Pavlik aint no complete fighter either, but JT needs to come in to the fight with something completely different, otherwise its the same resultHe needs to sharpen up his defense, be a lot smarter with his head and i give him a good chance of taking back the titles.

He has all physical tools to be a really good fighter.

[peter5]

He needs to sharpen up his defense, be a lot smarter with his head and i give him a good chance of taking back the titles.

He has all physical tools to be a really good fighter.

Its his brain that lets him down, motivation etc He does have the tools, but his application is left wanting :good

[teke]

Its his brain that lets him down, motivation etc He does have the tools, but his application is left wanting :goodYeah I agree.

If he tightens up his defense it will go a long way in covering up some flaws which i see in him ie. at times he gets lazy and just seems to stop thinking. I hope he can improve in this area.

[The Kurgan]

Pavilik was nearly knocked out by someone with a 58.6% KO rate? Well, there goes the "Pavlik has an iron chin" argument. Still, his KO rating is very impressive.

Good finishing ability + vulnerable chin = ridiculously entertaining fighter

You can be sure Pavlik has some FOTY candidates/winners to come in his career.

[Still~style]

i think taylor will come in even more shook and get knocked

[sthomas]

If Taylor wins I will be very surprised and impressed. As somone stated earlier he does not have a very good boxing mind. His defenseive fundamentals are not good, he resorts to poor his instincts when pressured, he has the recent memory of the KTFO in the back of his mind, and he has poor stamina. Maybe @ 168 he'll have better stamina, but that's unknown. If he can somehow overcome these obstacles/habits just for this one fight, that would be impressive.

[Drexl]

Kelly Pavlik Undisputed undefeated Middleweight Champion of the world.

He may just be a top 10 MW. :good
1) I never said Pavlik wasn't top-10. I was simply pointing out that stats like a fighter's KO% are meaningless without considering the opposition level in the majority of his fights.

2) Kelly Pavlik is UNIFIED Middleweight champion, not Undisputed.

3) And even if he was Undisputed Champ, it wouldn't be because of his KO%. It would be because he won all of the titles.

[196osh]

1) I never said Pavlik wasn't top-10. I was simply pointing out that stats like a fighter's KO% are meaningless without considering the opposition level in the majority of his fights.

2) Kelly Pavlik is UNIFIED Middleweight champion, not undisputed.

3) And even if he was, it wouldn't be because of his KO%. It would be because he won all of the titles.

He is the WBA, WBC, Linel and Ring Champ. That is undisputed if you ask me. The other belts dont mean much when there is a lineal and ring champ,

He has KO'd the best fighters he has been in with. So at the highest level currently he has a 100% KO ratio .:good

[Drexl]

He is the WBA, WBC, Linel and Ring Champ. That is undisputed if you ask me. The other belts dont mean much when there is a lineal and ring champ,

There are other "champs" around who dispute it, so whether you like it or not, he isn't undisputed. Whether he would beat them in your opinion or mine is not relevant.

What happens if Kelly DOES beat the IBF & WBA Champs? What does he become then if he is already "Undisputed". :think

He has KO'd the best fighters he has been in with. So at the highest level currently he has a 100% KO ratio .:good

If you can base it on as little as 2 fights, there are literally thousands of fighters with 100% KO ratios against the best they have been in with. :roll:

[196osh]

There are other "champs" around who dispute it, so whether you like it or not, he isn't undisputed. Whether he would beat them in your opinion or mine is not relevant.

What happens if Kelly DOES beat the IBF & WBA Champs? What does he become then if he is already "Undisputed". :think



If you can base it on as little as 2 fights, there are literally thousands of fighters with 100% KO ratios against the best they have been in with. :roll:

:lol: Basically what you are saying is that the ratio's do not matter I would imagen? I would say they do they give a good insite into sombodys power. His power has shown to be very good and persitant.

Also Joe Calzaghe does not have the IBF belt. He is undisputed :good.

[Drexl]

:lol: Basically what you are saying is that the ratio's do not matter I would imagen? I would say they do they give a good insite into sombodys power. His power has shown to be very good and persitant.

Also Joe Calzaghe does not have the IBF belt. He is undisputed :good.

You would IMAGINE correctly. KO% doesn't mean squat unless you take into consideration the quality of opposition. And a KO% over the course of 2 fights is basically irrelevant as well. Mike Grant is 2-0 with 2 KOs in his last 2. Is he in your top-10 Hewvyweights list?

Calzaghe won the IBF belt and never lost it in the ring. :deal

Pavlik has never won the WBA or IBF. :deal

[BigBone]

Pavlik has a pretty good jab, good speed, great work rate, throws a whole bunch of punches from different angles as well as straight ones... this fight could very well turn out the be an easy UD for Pavlik...

He hits so hard that he breaks down every opponent in 6 rounds and even if Taylor wins 4 out of the first 6, Pavlik still gonna bring the fight to another level in the middle rounds so I can see a decision win for Pavlik too. Especially if Taylor will be more cautious and Pavlik will stick to his jab more. It can turn out to be a boxing match but I predict a late TKO or UD for Pavlik anyway.

One of the biggest jokes last year was the scoring of the Pavlik-Taylor fight. Even with the knockdown in the 2nd I had Pavlik ahead by 1 point and on one card Pavlik won just ONE round in the whole fight. What a joke! With those judges it looks like all Taylor has to do is SURVIVE. But with natural judges, Taylor just won't outbox Pavlik as he is too busy in every minute of every round and always finds another gear in the middle rounds to brake down anyone in front of him.

[booradley]

If the little dog wouldn't have stopped to pee, he'd have caught the rabbit! There are just way to many if's in any scenario that leads to a Taylor win, and IF is a mighty big word in boxing. I like JT, and I wish he would have taken a different course into the future because he is pretty much fucked in the upcoming rematch. He is not going to correct flaws that he has had for years in one training camp headed up by Ozell Nelson.

Some one mentioned that JT should have been using the uppercut more. That is TRUE. That's a punch Kelly is very open to a lot of the time. Manny told JT that, but JT didn't listen. Manny told JT how to win, or at least do a lot better. JT failed to execute, and then fired Manny. WTF!

If Taylor comes in and works really smart at making it a boxing match, Pavlik knocks him out in 10 or 11 rounds.

If JT comes in scared and tenative, Pavlik backs him up, turns the ring into a fucking phone booth, and blows him out in under 3 rounds.

However, I expect Taylor to bull rush Pavik, and try to recreate round 2 of the first fight. In this case we get a repeat of the first fight only Pavlik doesn't showboat so it only lasts 5 rounds.

Boo

[albeziel]

yeah that's awesome with that kind of lanky body. He's still great

[Marnoff]

Exactly. Taylor is just flawed. Also he has the worst boxing brain I have ever had the misfortune of seeing.

This is Taylor's ultimate problem, and what stops him from improving. He simply cannot figure things out in the ring, and cannot adapt. He'll make the same mistake over and over again.

[bill poster]

JT will become another statistic