The Heavyweight Champ: Wlad/Lamon winner or Sultan/Ruslan winner?

[Mrboogie23]

Who would you say is the Heavyweight champ? Wlad has the best resume with the best wins. Sultan beat Briggs who beat Liakhovich who beat Lamon who beat Wlad. Ruslan beat Valuev who beat Ruiz. Ruiz had the belt for a long time.

Who would you consider the HW champ?

[Alcaldemb]

I wouldn't consider either the heavyweight champ, but I'd consider the winner of Ruslan vs Sultan closer. As far as better resume Ruslan has the best recent resume with wins over Ruiz, Valuev and Virchis.

[DamonD]

Wlad/Lamon would be my #1, although I'm very happy the unification fight for Sultan/Ruslan is going ahead.

The 'C' position would still be vacant, though.

[slugfest]

If Wlad wins (which he should), he will be the best choice for champ! He has the better resume especially if he gets a revenge victory over Brewster to make up for his most recent disaster! But no matter what, it is still a cloudy picture with all of these belts floating around! Each champ has a reasonable excuse to be considered. Until we have a fight-off leaving one standing, it will remain cloudy and full of excuses.

[The Hitman]

Nobody will be champ until the division becomes Undisputed and thus we have a title lineage again. The fact Wlad is the most skilled /Lamon KO'ed the most skilled or that the Chagaev/Ibragimov winner will have two belts doesn't make them THE champ.

[barneyrub]

The lineage of victory over wlad belongs to the winner of the chageav, ibragamov fight. Therefore wlad cant be considered the champion until he beats him.

[Max Molyneux]

Chagaev Vs Sultan, Wlad Is doing eff all since winning the IBF title.

Brewster Is coming off Inactivity and a loss, he's nowhere near top 10 to make Wlad No 1.

[Asterion]

If Wlad/Lamon winner fights Chageav/Ibragimov winner or Peter/Maskaev winner...then the winner is Champ.

[Alcaldemb]

are you kidding me. i'm sorry but wlad's resume is way better than chagaevs.

Not his recent resume. His last four wins are Peter, Byrd, Brock and Austin. Chagaev's are Virchis, Sprott, Ruiz and Valuev. Their upcoming opponents are Brewster, who is coming off of a year of inactivity, a punishing loss and serious eye injury. Chagaev's next opponent is an active, undefeated title holder coming off what should have been a shutout win over Briggs.

[Heavyrighthand]

The man with two titles, and also being undefeated, would have to be seen as the number one heavy, even above the Wlad Brew winner.


So the WBA/WBO clash winner would not yet be a full fledged heavyweight champion, but he'd be the closest thing we have til we can get more titles unified.

[Relentless]

i dont get you guys, we get unification after 8 years and you wont call the winner the champ?

[Martini643]

neither is 100% but Id consider the Klitschko/Brewster winner to be considered as the better heavyweight "on the road" to being THE MAN

[Batsch]

The winner of Chagaev and Ibragimov considering as HW-champ??? Are you people drunk. :nut The Boxer makes the title not vice versa. The winner of Chagaev-Ibragimov is nothin but a double beltholder of the ABC-soup. Who have they beaten? Briggs and Valuev.....hilarious.
I would say that the Klitschko/Brewster winner is far above the -ov/-ov winner. But not yet champ.

[Relentless]

so all those years people cry unification and when they finally get it they dont want to call the winner the champion.

[Batsch]

so all those years people cry unification and when they finally get it they dont want to call the winner the champion.

Hell the fighter makes the belt....get over it....

The WBO-belt is worthless. Especially when two fighters who are clearly not the Top dog fight for it.

The one who has WBC/WBA and IBF is the true undisputed champ.


Right now no one is the champ. Klitschko is the clear no.1 and if he beats Brester tomorrow he will be a step closer, but still not yet champ.

[Relentless]

well wbo was clearly worth something when wlad held it, joe calzaghe is the champ and he only hold the wbo.

[barneyrub]

The winner of Chagaev and Ibragimov considering as HW-champ??? Are you people drunk. :nut The Boxer makes the title not vice versa. The winner of Chagaev-Ibragimov is nothin but a double beltholder of the ABC-soup. Who have they beaten? Briggs and Valuev.....hilarious.
I would say that the Klitschko/Brewster winner is far above the -ov/-ov winner. But not yet champ.The winner will hold the lineage of victory over wlad. Beating Brewster doesnt redem much becaus ehe id damaged goods coming off a severe injury and loss, he was beaten by Sergei who was beaten by briggs who was beaten by ibragamov, that means more for the winner of the unification fights status. All the belts come from similair vacant elimination fights, none beat the real man.
The lineage of victory by one champ over another must mean something. Wlad became the manonb these boards by beating Ray Austin, lol. At least he was coming off a draw lol, whereas Brewster is coming off a loss!

[maciek4]

If Wlad wins then Wlad is #1, if Lamon wins then Chagaev/Ibragimov winner is #1.

[Bigcat]

The more proven guy........

Wladimir Klitschko.........

[KillerInstinct]

If Wlad wins then Wlad is #1, if Lamon wins then Chagaev/Ibragimov winner is #1.

I agree with this. Never the less, the winners of Wlad/Lamon, and Chagaev/Ibragimov need to face each other while the WBC gets it's shit sorted. I mean, WBC title is looking like Peter-Maskaev, then the winner of Peter-Maskaev vs V. Klit....THEN the winner of Peter-Maskaev-Klit vs mandatory McCall!? Jesus!

[Suge Green]

Nobody is teh champ but this is PRECISELY fuckin why giving Wlad the #1 title irks the SHIT out of me.

That means Wlad can continue fighting whoever the fuck he wants and have people hug his nuts about being #1.

Here you have 2 undefeated guys who won legit belts just like Wlad fighting each other and they are not in his league?:roll:

Brewster is a nice guy and all and a decent fighter
but beating him is good for Wlad and his confidence NOT the rest of the heavyweight picture.

For Ali it was good to beat Frazier the 2nd time but it didn't make him the man.


So people have to understand that Wlad's manufactured #1 ranking is WARRANTED to this point but until he fights another meaningful opponent (Peter was) that ranking can only stay with him if nobody else at heavy does anything.

I wouldn't call Sultan vs Ruslan nothing.

IF you want to be fair about it wlad and the winner would be tied for first IMHO.
Even #'s
HOWEVER, in order to get that fight unified i think the boxing world has to give more respect and even ranking to the uni guys all for the sake of bringing Wlad back down to earth regarding who he is.

People are de facto making him champion off his #1 spot.:huh
That does not make sense.

Have you heard him say that "i wanted to unify but now i will focus on defending my belt."

That sounds like a guy who thinks his trinket and rep make him the champion.

Sorry:-(

Exactly...not too long ago I gave KLIT props for admiting he's not the true champ, just one of the beltholders. Now his attitude is changing, and his justification is probably going to be that the other champs are coming and going and WLAD is still here. In reality, this is legit justification to grant KLIT the #1 spot, but as you say it doesn't go far enough to make him the champion.

[Bigcat]

Sultan has potential..
Chagaev has desire..
Maskaev has determination..

But on all of these qualities rolled into one..

Wladimir.. More time served proven..

[blistering]

I think Wlad is recognized by most boxing fans to be the best heavyweight.

He's got work to do to make that definitive. Beating Brewster is the first step. Then he needs to face the winner of Chaegev/Ibragimov.

It looks like Vitali will be gunning for the other title, so Wlad will have to satisfy himself with three of the main four if he wants to go down in history with some decent standing (provided he gets by Brewster).

If he fights on after Vitali retires, then he should unify that belt as well.

[BobDigi5060]

Nobody yet. It's about time we round these belts up.

[Relentless]

Nobody is teh champ but this is PRECISELY fuckin why giving Wlad the #1 title irks the SHIT out of me.

That means Wlad can continue fighting whoever the fuck he wants and have people hug his nuts about being #1.

Here you have 2 undefeated guys who won legit belts just like Wlad fighting each other and they are not in his league?:roll:

Brewster is a nice guy and all and a decent fighter
but beating him is good for Wlad and his confidence NOT the rest of the heavyweight picture.

For Ali it was good to beat Frazier the 2nd time but it didn't make him the man.


So people have to understand that Wlad's manufactured #1 ranking is WARRANTED to this point but until he fights another meaningful opponent (Peter was) that ranking can only stay with him if nobody else at heavy does anything.

I wouldn't call Sultan vs Ruslan nothing.

IF you want to be fair about it wlad and the winner would be tied for first IMHO.
Even #'s
HOWEVER, in order to get that fight unified i think the boxing world has to give more respect and even ranking to the uni guys all for the sake of bringing Wlad back down to earth regarding who he is.

People are de facto making him champion off his #1 spot.:huh
That does not make sense.

Have you heard him say that "i wanted to unify but now i will focus on defending my belt."

That sounds like a guy who thinks his trinket and rep make him the champion.

Sorry:-(

great mother friggin post, for the first time i agree with you.

[Shotgun]

The winner of Wlad-Brewster will be "#1" but no one can claim to be undisputed

[Mrboogie23]

Nobody is teh champ but this is PRECISELY fuckin why giving Wlad the #1 title irks the SHIT out of me.

That means Wlad can continue fighting whoever the fuck he wants and have people hug his nuts about being #1.

Here you have 2 undefeated guys who won legit belts just like Wlad fighting each other and they are not in his league?:roll:

Brewster is a nice guy and all and a decent fighter
but beating him is good for Wlad and his confidence NOT the rest of the heavyweight picture.

For Ali it was good to beat Frazier the 2nd time but it didn't make him the man.


So people have to understand that Wlad's manufactured #1 ranking is WARRANTED to this point but until he fights another meaningful opponent (Peter was) that ranking can only stay with him if nobody else at heavy does anything.

I wouldn't call Sultan vs Ruslan nothing.

IF you want to be fair about it wlad and the winner would be tied for first IMHO.
Even #'s
HOWEVER, in order to get that fight unified i think the boxing world has to give more respect and even ranking to the uni guys all for the sake of bringing Wlad back down to earth regarding who he is.

People are de facto making him champion off his #1 spot.:huh
That does not make sense.

Have you heard him say that "i wanted to unify but now i will focus on defending my belt."

That sounds like a guy who thinks his trinket and rep make him the champion.

Sorry:-(


good post novi... I agree

[AJAX]

i dont get you guys, we get unification after 8 years and you wont call the winner the champ?

unified means all 4 titles, but 2 at this point is a great step, and hopefully there will be more unification, like most people had predicted, without King it would happen.