The Very Most Dangerous Medicore Fighters...

[Russell]

Of all time. Who are they?

Guys who are definitely not ATG's but possess combinations of skills that have or do have them being avoided like the plague. Feel free to make a list for each weight division, love to see them.

The 52-33 Curtis Shepard comes to mind.

On top of being a disgustingly hard puncher (I think Archie pegged him as one of the hardest hitters he ever faced?) he was damned tough, only stopped a few times in all those losses.

His KO record was also misleading. "Only" 33 KO's in 52 fights.

Bert Cooper comes to mind as a Cruiser, or even a Heavyweight.

[Russell]

Though I wouldn't call him "medicore", Oliver McCall comes to mind.

He's upset everyone from Lennox Lewis to Maskaev. Cartoonish chin with suprising power, he's shown he's capable of holding on to the last round and taking boxers out, like he did against Akiwande a few years ago.

Ross Purity is a similar fighter in a lot of ways.

[dpw417]

I was on the harrygreb.com website the other day...an old timer by the name of Soldier Jones knocked Greb down in their fights...Greb remarked something to the effect that Jones always fought like a bum against anybody, but always fights like a champ against me!

[pryorgatti]

Earnie Shavers

[apollack]

Ray Mercer

[My dinner with Conteh]

sugar boy malinga

[TBooze]

sugar boy malinga

Harsh; Malinga at his best was not mediocre.:huh

I know the title for the thread is misleading, so I guess that there is back handed compliment there.:good

[Robbi]

Manuel Medina.

[Holmes' Jab]

Ray Mercer


Fair call.

[Bigcat]

This gentleman is dead now unfortunately, Mike the bounty Hunter.. He beat Oliver McCall and fought a lot of very good heavyweights during the 1980's.

His son Mike Hunter Jr is to be the USA Super Heavyweight representative in the upcoming 2008 Olympiad...

[Bummy Davis]

Corrie Sanders is better than mediocre but he can be real lax at times and extremly dangerous at others, Hawkins,Purrity,Wilson, Tom the Bomb Bethea,

[TBooze]

This gentleman is dead now unfortunately, Mike the bounty Hunter.. He beat Oliver McCall and fought a lot of very good heavyweights during the 1980's.

His son Mike Hunter Jr is to be the USA Super Heavyweight representative in the upcoming 2008 Olympiad...

Good call, most up and comming Heavies of the late 80s/early 90s avoided him like the plague. One of them fighters that normally makes you look terrible even when you win.

Sad what happened to him.

[El Puma]

Manuel Medina.Very good call but then, Medina is looked at as underated by many.

[The Kurgan]

This gentleman is dead now unfortunately, Mike the bounty Hunter.. He beat Oliver McCall and fought a lot of very good heavyweights during the 1980's.

His son Mike Hunter Jr is to be the USA Super Heavyweight representative in the upcoming 2008 Olympiad...

Mike Hunter Jnr. was on these boards a long while back, wasn't he? At any rate, the Bounty Hunter was a fascinating boxer to watch. Rarely have I seen a boxer do so many things contrary to the textbook of boxing and yet be so effective.

[Amsterdam]

Ezzard Charles.

[Sweet Pea]

Joe Calzaghe.

[TBooze]

LOL; Ezzaed Charles and Joe Calzaghe, I will just top you both with the silliest one of the lot:

Ray Robinson.:dead

[BUDW]

Duane Bobick

[john garfield]

Bob Satterfield definitely belongs in this group. On any given night he could take your head off.

Another guy who fits this list perfectly was Al "Bummy" Davis.

[TBooze]

Kid Norfolk

[bumdujour]

darryl pickney 24-42.

but could punch and was tough. knocked out pound for pounder junior jones and future champion guty espadas jr.

[Sweet Pea]

darryl pickney 24-42.

but could punch and was tough. knocked out pound for pounder junior jones and future champion guty espadas jr.Is that Jorge Masvidal and Yves Edwards in your avatar?

[bumdujour]

Is that Jorge Masvidal and Yves Edwards in your avatar?

YES.

[Longhhorn71]

LOL; Ezzaed Charles and Joe Calzaghe, I will just top you both with the silliest one of the lot:

Ray Robinson.:dead

How about Ralph "Tiger" Jones, who put a whupping on
the Sugar Man. He was also very competive with very
good fighters.

[good right hand]

darryl pickney 24-42.

but could punch and was tough. knocked out pound for pounder junior jones and future champion guty espadas jr.

absultely great example, i cant top darryl


of course everybodys favorite (including mine) emanuel augustus

sanderline williams was a very dangerous fighter

leotis martin who owns ko's against thad spencer and the great sonny liston was right about to transcend a fairly mediocre career but retired due to a eye injury.

anthony ivory is avery deceptive fighter if you judge him soley on his record. 33-78-5

but he has wins over; germain sanders, maurice brantely, pat coleman, antwon echols, arthur allen and omar pittman... the guy that almost beat john pascual.

[Russell]

Mike Hunter Jnr. was on these boards a long while back, wasn't he? At any rate, the Bounty Hunter was a fascinating boxer to watch. Rarely have I seen a boxer do so many things contrary to the textbook of boxing and yet be so effective.

What things like that did he do, out of curiosity?

[Smith]

Rubin Carter.

[ThinBlack]

Frank Fletcher.

[mcvey]

I was on the harrygreb.com website the other day...an old timer by the name of Soldier Jones knocked Greb down in their fights...Greb remarked something to the effect that Jones always fought like a bum against anybody, but always fights like a champ against me!
Two more from that era,Augie Ratner,and Chuck Wiggins.You could add Wiilie Meehan ,I suppose.

[OLD FOGEY]

Depends what is considered mediocre--a couple of nominees with losing records:

Quintin Romero-Rojas--his career record is 25-49-8 with 10 KO victories and 28 KO defeats. Nevertheless, he broke into the top ten in 1924 with ko's of young Jack Sharkey and Larry Gains. He also defeated elite contender Jack Renault.

Frank Buford--his career record is 22-29-7 with 2 KO victories and 15 KO defeats. Nevertheless, he defeated the respected Clarence Henry by UD in 1950, and also Turkey Thompson. Also had wins over Bob Dunlap and Joe Kahut.

Both Romero-Rojas and Buford were clearly more dangerous than their final records would indicate.

[Amsterdam]

LOL; Ezzaed Charles and Joe Calzaghe, I will just top you both with the silliest one of the lot:

Ray Robinson.:dead

Hmm, yeah, pretty mediocre, but never the less his power would be dangerous to Oscar De La Hoya.

[Seamus]

Though I wouldn't call him "medicore", Oliver McCall comes to mind.

He's upset everyone from Lennox Lewis to Maskaev. Cartoonish chin with suprising power, he's shown he's capable of holding on to the last round and taking boxers out, like he did against Akiwande a few years ago.

Ross Purity is a similar fighter in a lot of ways.

Maskaev was no upset. That was Oleg's 7th fight. I don't think he was supposed to win.

My pick is Jesse Ferguson.

[SteveO]

Iran Barkley?

[dpw417]

Kid Norfolk
A HOF'er ? Wow... that's some harsh judgement.

[Robbi]

Carlos Baldomir. He certainly proved himself to be one of the best medicore fighters over the last few years.

[Bummy Davis]

Good call, most up and comming Heavies of the late 80s/early 90s avoided him like the plague. One of them fighters that normally makes you look terrible even when you win.

Sad what happened to him.

Mike Hunter had a weird style, he was a good fighter, I remember a close fight with Fran Botha before Fran sterioded up

[GoldenHulk]

Maurice Harris, after winning the 100,000 Thunderbox Tournament several years ago, Cedric Kushner called him the best 19-12 fighter in the world.

[TBooze]

A HOF'er ? Wow... that's some harsh judgement.

Kid Norfolk was good, but he is only in the IBHOF because people know black fighters were treated poorly pre World War II and that putting them in a hall of fame, eases consciences.

Kid Norfolk would of much preferred a shot at McTigue, Tunney or Carpentier and the money that would of come with it, rather than having to go war with Siki, Greb and whole load of normally black Heavies for peanuts.

[RoccoMarciano]

he is only in the IBHOF because people know black fighters were treated poorly pre World War II and that putting them in a hall of fame, eases consciences.

If that really is the ONLY reason, it is a load of BS that he is even listed!

I've nothing against blacks, but if they get listed only because of dark skin, it is BS! Plain and simple.

You got any facts to back up your assumption?

[TBooze]

If that really is the ONLY reason, it is a load of BS that he is even listed!

I've nothing against blacks, but if they get listed only because of dark skin, it is BS! Plain and simple.

You got any facts to back up your assumption?

It is an assumption, but reading up on Siki, Greb, Carpentier and Tunney, he is considered a footnote. A tough fighter no doubt but not truly worth anything more than a mention at the time. Think of him as a Jerry Quarry or Ike Quartey, who were very good fighters in their era and worth talking about, but IMO neither deserves a place in a whole of boxing Hall of Fame.

[dpw417]

Kid Norfolk was good, but he is only in the IBHOF because people know black fighters were treated poorly pre World War II and that putting them in a hall of fame, eases consciences.

Kid Norfolk would of much preferred a shot at McTigue, Tunney or Carpentier and the money that would of come with it, rather than having to go war with Siki, Greb and whole load of normally black Heavies for peanuts.
You're entitled to your opinion of coarse...but I would say considering what historians thought of his fighting abilities and his record against the best and toughest of his era...that is what put him in the HOF! Mediocre? I don't think so!

[mochabuzz]

Louis 'The facelifter' Monaco....

[anut]

razor ruddock/earnie shavers/bonevenna/chuvalo

[JohnThomas1]

Mike Weaver rose from journeyman status in his early career to become more than dangerous later on. I'd hardly call him mediocre, but he did very well fight and perform to the level of that mindset for a decent period of time so i think he is a fair shout.