All Time Great vs. 100 amateurs

[cross_trainer]

In Kyokushin karate, top fighters are once in a while known to stage 100 man kumites (100 fights in a row against lower ranked opponents), and many do quite well.

Which All Time Great fighter would you pick to have the most success in 100 3-round fights in a row against golden gloves competitors from his own weightclass? (Professional rules would be used).

[Sizzle]

In my opinion there are two key factors,
1/ Conditioning
2/ The ability to dispose of opponents quickly

Considering this, I have to go with Rocky Marciano, 43 knockouts in 49 fights, who says "Why box with a guy with ten rounds when you can knock him out in one?". Rocky didn't mess around.

His relentless pressure would crush any amateur very quickly, and even if he tired, which had yet to be seen over 15 rounds, his heart would see him through

[Sizzle]

By the way that is pretty interesting, I used to do kyokushin myself but never had the chance to take on 100 opponents ;)

[Stonehands89]

Agreed with Jeffries. Stamina, power, strength, and several 20 round fights -that's experience that Foreman et al. didn't have.

[garymcfall]

Tyson would knock each one out in about 30 seconds he's great against lower level opposition he could make a few hours work of it.

[Muchmoore]

Tyson would knock each one out in about 30 seconds he's great against lower level opposition he could make a few hours work of it.

Tyson wasnt an awesome amatuer though because of his style. Although I would be tempted to pick Tyson as well. Holyfield is also a great choice.

[garymcfall]

Tyson wasnt an awesome amatuer though because of his style. Although I would be tempted to pick Tyson as well. Holyfield is also a great choice.

yeh but tyson pro would be far too strong and advanced for any to compete - to beat a prime tyson you have to be experienced, physically strong and developed and show no fear. most amatuers would be shitting themselves and would fall within 30 seconds. you might get the odd one that survives round one, but generally they would all go first round.

[Beebs]

Jefferies seems a good choice, although he lacked that true cracking one shot power

Tyson, by simply standing there and saying "I'll fuck you till you love me faggot", that would seem to discourage the amateurs

Maybe Frazier for his indominanble will, and beyond suffecient power.

[Senya13]

John L. Sullivan could of knocked most of them out early with his rushes.

[ironchamp]

Tyson- His aggressive style, speed and power would dispose of many opponents rather quickly.

Holyfield- Stamina, underrated power and determination will see him through many fights.

[McGrain]

You would need: power at the weight, fearlessness, stamina, serious intimadtion and a very, very macho attitude.

I pick Duran at lightweight. He would terrify the amatuer opposition and wouldn't get hit a lot. He'd be perfect. And he would never, ever give up (unless he shat himself :D )

[cross_trainer]

Hank Armstrong.

[Jupiter1610]

Anyone else think Jack Dempsey has a good shot at this? He was certainly tough enough and his aggressive starts would make for few fights that went the full three rounds.

As for the ones already mentioned, Holyfield is a top contender. Tyson also has the potential to make this a feast.

[McGrain]

Everyone seems to want to pick a heavyweight. They're the WORST equipped for this kind of thing, even the great ones. Even if they knock, say, 50% of these guys out, it's still a lot of rounds for a big guy to do.

180 ish.

Powerful guys at smaller weights are the ideal choices.

[KOTF]

Thomas Hearns
Julian Jackson
Roberto Duran

[Pachilles]

Thomas Hearns
Sugar Ray Robinson
Joe Frazier
Salvador Sanchez

[cross_trainer]

Although most heavyweights wouldn't qualify (I agree with McGrain above), Louis might actually do pretty well here since he's so insanely economical. Others include: Moore, Duran, Foster, Wilde. Oddly enough, RJJ might do pretty well if he could protect his chin.

I stand by my pick of Hank Armstrong as the absolute best at this sort of thing, though.

[Pachilles]

Although most heavyweights wouldn't qualify (I agree with McGrain above), Louis might actually do pretty well here since he's so insanely economical. Others include: Moore, Duran, Foster, Wilde. Oddly enough, RJJ might do pretty well if he could protect his chin.

I stand by my pick of Hank Armstrong as the absolute best at this sort of thing, though.

Yes, incredibly durable, hard to hit, very economic whilst swarm-fucking people and hardly ever loses a round

[Addie]

Pachilles, I distinctly remember having a bet with one of your aliases over the Maidana/Morales fight. Well...Morales lost...so do the right thing. Change that god damn signature!

[ecto55]

...............

[Pachilles]

Pachilles, I distinctly remember having a bet with one of your aliases over the Maidana/Morales fight. Well...Morales lost...so do the right thing. Change that god damn signature!

True enough, bro. But what is it i should be changing it to?

ps. Due to the heroic showing by el Terrible i thought you might've donned the signature anyway, out of respect;)

[DonBoxer]

ps. Due to the heroic showing by el Terrible i thought you might've donned the signature anyway, out of respect;)

It would be the honorable thing to do.

[Addie]

You're making sense. I'll let this one slide in tribute to Morales and his valiant effort.

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[The Kurgan]

Senya is right to go for the old-timers, who built their styles around avoiding punishment in order to have long careers in the age of low-tech equipment. Of all the heavyweights, I'd expect John L. Sullivan to do best. After all, he would be used to long hard tours against inferior opposition and he'd know what to do. The old bareknuckle boxers, especially those with experience of carnival boxing, would do even better.

Nicolino Locche would be my pick for more modern boxers. Pure elusiveness and stamina.

Another modern boxer who'd do well would be a prime James Toney. His supremely relaxed style, excellent defence and ability to reduce his opponent's punch output would serve him very well.

Basically, because of the differences between karate (a low contact sport) and boxing (a high contact sport) I think that the requirements here are different. Stamina is important, but I think that avoiding clean punches would be more important. Relaxation would also be important.

Powerful boxers are at a disadvantage, I think, because they'd tend to go for the kill when what is required is avoiding punishment and it's hard to finish off an opponent without taking punishment. So Tyson, Marciano, Frazier and Hearns are bad choices, because they wouldn't be able to resist getting into wars. Julian Jackson is a very bad choice, because even in his best peformances he took plenty of punches.

300 rounds is a long time to be boxing fresh men. Even if the fights go only 2 rounds on average, that's 10 hours. I don't think that bombers are going to be able to last that long. On the other hand, I can see a Locche or a Toney gently slipping their way through 15 hours of boxing, because they're resting half of the time in the ring anyway and they're not going to accumulate much punishment. For some of the old timers like Sullivan, who had to know how to survive marathon bouts, 15 hours would be tough but manageable.

[amhlilhaus]

bob fitzsimmons, wouldn't waste energy, and with his punch placement would ko a lot of the youngsters.

read up on his training, if anyone could fight for that many rounds it'd be him.

[mattdonnellon]

Maher used to do that kind of thing quickly and also could go twenty hard rounds. Wilde also looks good and what about Naseem-power and relaxation?

[PoliSari]

Senya is right to go for the old-timers, who built their styles around avoiding punishment in order to have long careers in the age of low-tech equipment. Of all the heavyweights, I'd expect John L. Sullivan to do best. After all, he would be used to long hard tours against inferior opposition and he'd know what to do. The old bareknuckle boxers, especially those with experience of carnival boxing, would do even better.

Nicolino Locche would be my pick for more modern boxers. Pure elusiveness and stamina.

Another modern boxer who'd do well would be a prime James Toney. His supremely relaxed style, excellent defence and ability to reduce his opponent's punch output would serve him very well.

Basically, because of the differences between karate (a low contact sport) and boxing (a high contact sport) I think that the requirements here are different. Stamina is important, but I think that avoiding clean punches would be more important. Relaxation would also be important.

Powerful boxers are at a disadvantage, I think, because they'd tend to go for the kill when what is required is avoiding punishment and it's hard to finish off an opponent without taking punishment. So Tyson, Marciano, Frazier and Hearns are bad choices, because they wouldn't be able to resist getting into wars. Julian Jackson is a very bad choice, because even in his best peformances he took plenty of punches.

300 rounds is a long time to be boxing fresh men. Even if the fights go only 2 rounds on average, that's 10 hours. I don't think that bombers are going to be able to last that long. On the other hand, I can see a Locche or a Toney gently slipping their way through 15 hours of boxing, because they're resting half of the time in the ring anyway and they're not going to accumulate much punishment. For some of the old timers like Sullivan, who had to know how to survive marathon bouts, 15 hours would be tough but manageable.

but would Locche be able to win a majority of these fights? he was great on the defensive side but would his offensive output be enough to win a short 3 round fight? especially that amount of consecutive short 3 rounders :think

[kmac]

Although most heavyweights wouldn't qualify (I agree with McGrain above), Louis might actually do pretty well here since he's so insanely economical. Others include: Moore, Duran, Foster, Wilde. Oddly enough, RJJ might do pretty well if he could protect his chin.

I stand by my pick of Hank Armstrong as the absolute best at this sort of thing, though.

so the fighter of the decade in the 90s and the val barker winner, who was cheated out of gold, in the '88 olympics needs to protect his chin vs a bunch of golden gloves fighters. :lol: prime jones took a punch just fine. tyson, jones and louis would have the best chance imo.