Mike McCallum vs. Tony Ayala

[laxpdx]

This was one certain to occur, as they were both up-and-coming Jr. MW's. at about the same time.

[Sonny's jab]

McCallum on points.

[bumdujour]

not even close. mccallum tortures him for a mid to late stoppage.

[JohnThomas1]

McCallum on points.

Oh come on, the previous wasn't that bad :lol:

[Sonny's jab]

Oh come on, the previous wasn't that bad :lol:

Cheers, but it might have soured a good boxing dicussion.

[JohnThomas1]

Cheers, but it might have soured a good boxing dicussion.

Not many get into the Tony threads anyways TBH.

[ThinBlack]

McCallum UD 10 or 12, if it get to 12.

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not even close. mccallum tortures him for a mid to late stoppage.

Mike McCallum knocks out Tony Ayala but he cant even beat Ray Leonard? That's #@*% crazy!! Have you ever seen Tony fight?

Laxpdx, forget this dude. he dont even know what he's talking about or what day this is. i say 1982 Tony would knock him out because Mike didnt have the experience yet and was very offensive type fighter. No one tries to gun with Tony and survive.

I saw Mike fight live with Sean Mannion and yeah he was good but he didnt have enough of a punch while Tony was the most feared man alive in 1982 along with Hagler and Aaron Pryor.

4 or 5 years down the road it's hard to say because Tony wasn't active while Mike took the best jackson had to offer and mopped the floor with him.

I know it was 1986 and Jackson didnt have much experience while Mike had a few championship fights but I have to give Mike one thing and that is he had durability and some skill. He was what we call "an industrious fighter". I still think he would have lost to Tony in late 82 or early 83 the way jackson lost to Mike.

[JohnThomas1]

Have you ever seen Tony fight?


Just to save bumdujour mucking around who would you say the biggest name Tony ever fought was so he can go straight to the most meaningful bout?


Hmmmm, hang on

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[laxpdx]

Mike McCallum knocks out Tony Ayala but he cant even beat Ray Leonard? That's #@*% crazy!! Have you ever seen Tony fight?

Laxpdx, forget this dude. he dont even know what he's talking about or what day this is. i say 1982 Tony would knock him out because Mike didnt have the experience yet and was very offensive type fighter. No one tries to gun with Tony and survive.

I saw Mike fight live with Sean Mannion and yeah he was good but he didnt have enough of a punch while Tony was the most feared man alive in 1982 along with Hagler and Aaron Pryor.

4 or 5 years down the road it's hard to say because Tony wasn't active while Mike took the best jackson had to offer and mopped the floor with him.

I know it was 1986 and Jackson didnt have much experience while Mike had a few championship fights but I have to give Mike one thing and that is he had durability and some skill. He was what we call "an industrious fighter". I still think he would have lost to Tony in late 82 or early 83 the way jackson lost to Mike.

Great insight, but what about down the road, lets say, 1987, and Tony stayed out of jail. Honestly, that's about the time I see this match happening, after Tony has warred with Duran, Hagler and Hearns and Mike is really beginning to make a name for himself. Would Tony be harder or softer?

[bumdujour]

Mike McCallum knocks out Tony Ayala but he cant even beat Ray Leonard? That's #@*% crazy!! Have you ever seen Tony fight?

Laxpdx, forget this dude. he dont even know what he's talking about or what day this is. i say 1982 Tony would knock him out because Mike didnt have the experience yet and was very offensive type fighter. No one tries to gun with Tony and survive.

I saw Mike fight live with Sean Mannion and yeah he was good but he didnt have enough of a punch while Tony was the most feared man alive in 1982 along with Hagler and Aaron Pryor.

4 or 5 years down the road it's hard to say because Tony wasn't active while Mike took the best jackson had to offer and mopped the floor with him.

I know it was 1986 and Jackson didnt have much experience while Mike had a few championship fights but I have to give Mike one thing and that is he had durability and some skill. He was what we call "an industrious fighter". I still think he would have lost to Tony in late 82 or early 83 the way jackson lost to Mike.

he cant "EVEN BEAT LEONARD"??? you nuts?? this ayala is just some hypejob who never beat no-one!!!
you can get knocked out by leonard and still beat ayalas ass:yep

[brooklyn1550]

McCallum UD

[brownpimp88]

ayala doesnt deserve these threads, at least ike ibaebuchi beat tua and byrd.

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he cant "EVEN BEAT LEONARD"??? you nuts?? this ayala is just some hypejob who never beat no-one!!!
you can get knocked out by leonard and still beat ayalas ass:yep

Terry Norris never beat anyone and still kick the shit out of leonard why cant Tony?? leonard was favored!! dont tell me he wasnt. I know the history of that fight before it even took place.

Tony hit like hell. With Ray leonard need to hit you a hundred times before you finally fall. What's more, Ray Leonard is afraid of getting hit the way Ken Norton was.

Tell me something Bumdujour. If you're so confident of Leonard's chances with Mike then why didnt he just fight him while he had the chance? His eye obviously wasn't the reason and he just faced Hagler and would go on to fight Lalonde in the near future. You think maybe Ray didnt like his chances after seeing the Curry knockout at ringside?

Hitting power is going to decide this and Leonard just dont have the power hence you see Jackson knocking out Terry and Terry's one sided whipping of Ray Leonard. Ray Leonard in nowhere near the caliber Tony was and you havent see Tony fight either. At least not since he came out of prision.

[redrooster]

Great insight, but what about down the road, lets say, 1987, and Tony stayed out of jail. Honestly, that's about the time I see this match happening, after Tony has warred with Duran, Hagler and Hearns and Mike is really beginning to make a name for himself. Would Tony be harder or softer?

You know I only like the best LAXPDX. My favorites are the best like Hagler, Jones, Camacho, Norris, Bowe-fighters that are proven beyond all doubt.

Only I know the score here with Tony. he is actually very little known the way hagler was when he first became champion. i cant see that far into the future but I can make a better projection of events say three years in the future.

Tony could actually improve by that time because he had Lou Duva and George bention as his trainer, the best in the business so Tony could only get better.

So Tony was definitely on his way to becoming champion and woe be to anyone who stood in his way. Kalule? A helpless punching bag used for Tony's warmup for the title. He would be knocked stiff in three rounds. After that I see him kicking Duran's ass before laing has a chance to get to him.

This man's presence would change the landscape of boxing.

Of course Leonard would duck him so he's irrelevent. After beating the overweight Duran, he heads for Davey Moore instead of Duran and knocks him for a loop without the aid of a thumb.

Now he's champion.

For his first defense he gives ex-champ Benitez first shot and does a mercy killing-kind of like watching a lion devouring a sheep.

I see a late 1984 matchup between McCallum and Tony. Mike with his skills and durability would set the tone for a few rounds but eventually you know Tony is going to get a full head of steam going and once he connects on Mike's head, the fight's going to turn around. I see Mike lying flat on his back from a devestating left hook to the head.

Tony was like that character the Juggernaut in that once he gains momentum he's almost impossible to stop. I've seen him-he's like a pit bull that doesn't stop his attack. He just stays on him until the other fighter drops. You seen it too Lapdx.

The other posters here don't realize it and besides that they never seen anyone on the attack like Tony Ayala. Tony was fearless because everyone was afraid of his offense.

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LAXPDX, I bet you anything some ignoramus here is going to counter with "Wilfred would outbox Tony Ayala for a late round tko and regain the title".

[bumdujour]

Terry Norris never beat anyone and still kick the shit out of leonard why cant Tony?? leonard was favored!! dont tell me he wasnt. I know the history of that fight before it even took place.

Tony hit like hell. With Ray leonard need to hit you a hundred times before you finally fall. What's more, Ray Leonard is afraid of getting hit the way Ken Norton was.

Tell me something Bumdujour. If you're so confident of Leonard's chances with Mike then why didnt he just fight him while he had the chance? His eye obviously wasn't the reason and he just faced Hagler and would go on to fight Lalonde in the near future. You think maybe Ray didnt like his chances after seeing the Curry knockout at ringside?
Hitting power is going to decide this and Leonard just dont have the power hence you see Jackson knocking out Terry and Terry's one sided whipping of Ray Leonard. Ray Leonard in nowhere near the caliber Tony was and you havent see Tony fight either. At least not since he came out of prision.

man, you dont know shit about boxing. terry beat leonard when leonard was shot.

prime leonard would have killed him.

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man, you dont know shit about boxing. terry beat leonard when leonard was shot.

prime leonard would have killed him.

If Ray Leonard shot why they make him a 3-1 favorite? leonard shot because Terry Norris make him look shot. :smoke

[JohnThomas1]

Terry Norris never beat anyone and still kick the shit out of leonard why cant Tony??

You surely would know by now the forum ain't stupid mate. Terry was the World champion! :lol:

What was Tony?

Terry had poleaxed your beloved Mugabi in a defense!! What name had Tony beat?

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You surely would know by now the forum ain't stupid mate. Terry was the World champion! :lol:

What was Tony?

Terry had poleaxed your beloved Mugabi in a defense!! What name had Tony beat?


Then why wasn't Norris given a second thought when all the newspaper columnists were making their pick? Nobody slings it like you.

And Mugabi's never been one of my favorites. You got me mixed up with someone else and you totally f****ed yourself that time. You sure you seen this fight because Terry won the title from Mugabi.

[JohnThomas1]

Then why wasn't Norris given a second thought when all the newspaper columnists were making their pick? Nobody slings it like you.

Why wasn't Douglas given a thought? Mike Spinks vs Holmes? Holyfield's odds vs Tyson? Haugen vs Camacho?

The simple fact is the media did not know just how past it Leonard was. Shit happens. Emmanuel Steward said it even before Leonard fought Hearns - the Leonard who beat LaLonde is not the same fighter who beat Hagler. He actually said he thought the media were making a big mistake focusing only on the line of how much Hearns was shot. He said here was a very ordinary fighter in LaLonde giving Leonard absolute hell. A past it Hearns then gave Leonard more than he could handle, and the general consensus were also fooled when he boxed rings around a Duran who had regained glory over a totally different fighter with the one style he could still potentially rise up to beat. You could have put a number of quality slick boxers in there instead of Leonard and they would have beaten Duran. Add to this Norris did not yet have much fanfare and we had the makings of a big surprise. A Michael Nunn would have dished out a similar flogging. At Ray's stage Norris' great snap, sharpness and handspeed proved too much. Youth prevailed, it had to at some point and Ray bit off one more than he could chew. You of all people should be able to follow, being a Camacho hugger and all.

You proclaim Camacho was over the hill by the time of the Haugen loss :lol:

Bearing the above sentence in mind fancy a lil Aussie song dedication? :D

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[Jack]

If Ray Leonard shot why they make him a 3-1 favorite? leonard shot because Terry Norris make him look shot. :smoke
The bookies are often wrong. They favoured Tito to beat Hopkins, for example. What a joke that was. Anyone with some knowledge of the sport should realise that a good 147lber cannot beat a better 160lber.

Let's not get into the idea that the bookies are always right. Otherwise, there would be no point in having bookies, would there?

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I'm not interested in your lame music so I'm not going to bother with your video. You're wasting your time!

And your choice of fights is just as lame. You're talking about Tyson a 42-1 favorite, 24 years old. Is that old or what?

using lalonde is another mistake. saying leonard wasnt the same fighter in the Hagler fight. Leonard been having trouble with the likes of Kevin Howard who is shorter than Leonard! So what's his excuse now??? :lol:

You cant use age since he was only 27 so like with your Tyson example you are shit out of luck again. Leonard have problems with Donny because he connected on the back of his head and since Ray could never take a hard whack anyways, he fall down.

leonard thinks lalonde was a challenge but isnt really a repsected opponent while Ayala is much more reputable opponent even as a prospect. And even as a prospect, it's impossible not to acknowledge him as a sure bet to win at least one title the way Camacho won his.