Calzaghe vs Dawson and Kessler on showtime!

[Vincent Gottschalk]

:good :happy That's the offer from Showtime. It's a two fight deal with Dawson coming down too 168 to fight Joe and then Calzaghe fighting Kessler in 2008.

[Brickhaus]

What web site? spell it out....

Edit: It's on espn - Dan Rafael's notebook.

[PrideOfWales]

Dawson would kill both of them.

How would he achieve this at 168 hoss?

[mightyd40]

i think throwing dawson in with calzaghe already would be kinda dumb, he should fight tarver, he is washed up and would still give him a marquee name

[Brickhaus]

i think throwing dawson in with calzaghe already would be kinda dumb, he should fight tarver, he is washed up and would still give him a marquee name

Tarver's going to avoid Dawson like the plague.

[PolishPummler]

:good :happy That's the offer from Showtime. It's a two fight deal with Dawson coming down too 168 to fight Joe and then Calzaghe fighting Kessler in 2008. Read it on the *********** web site:bbb

I think Dawson has a hard time making 168 and that's why he moved to 175.If this fight does come off i dont want to see a drained Dawson in there against Joe because i think he has a good shot when fresh.

Why is it that every potential Joe match-up that gets talked about(Hopkins Jones Johnson Woods Tarver Taylor Wright and now Dawson)is against somebody not even in his weightclass when Kessler is right there and everybody wants to see that fight.He never wants to move up or down in weight and expects everybody to do it against him.I think he does it to keep his name out there amongst guys he knows will not end up fighting him as a distraction for the Kessler fight.

[Brickhaus]

That's weird. Not sure how my last post could have been edited back in February 2006 by someone else.

[PolishPummler]

Tarver's going to avoid Dawson like the plague.

Tarver avoids anybody with a pulse.

If are in your prime or not named Roy he wont take the fight.

[PolishPummler]

That's weird. Not sure how my last post could have been edited back in February 2006 by someone else.

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[mightyd40]

Tarver's going to avoid Dawson like the plague.
yeah more than likely

[*BOX_FAN*]

Calzaghe vs Dawson would be great but it would be safer to do this fight in 175. I don't want to hear "Dawson was drained and because of it he lost". In 175 Chad has a chance to beat Joe, I think.

[Brickhaus]

I'm not sure this proposed deal makes sense from the Calzaghe point of view. Sure, it gets Calzaghe-Kessler the $5M they want, but to get there, Calzaghe must beat someone who's probably more of a threat to Joe than Kessler is, in Dawson, as I'm not sure how well Calzaghe's flurries would play against Dawson's slickster defense. It's an interesting rumor, but I'm betting that Calzaghe would want to face someone who's more of a gimme in the lead in fight, unless Showtime guarantees they'll carry the Kessler fight even if Calzaghe loses.

[PrideOfWales]

"Server flips out" lads... not a problem!

[Vincent Gottschalk]

I did spell it out but they must have it so it does come out on this web site. I don't want too be banned if they don't want links too that web site I am not putting them in so I am not going try put it down again.:-(

[Mrboogie23]

I dont understand a dawson vs calzaghe fight. While I'll be happy to watch it, I think the Kessler fight makes loads more sense. Kessler is a legit threat in Calzaghes own weight class. Why does dawson have to drop down?


dumb.

[Brickhaus]

Sean (Charlotteville, VA): If Showtime makes Calzaghe fight Dawson first, do they not realize the very real possibilty that Joe and Kessler never comes off? Or is that their hope in creating Dawson?

Dan Rafael: (2:29 PM ET ) Of course, Showtime knows that. I don't think the Dawson fight will happen though. If Calzaghe takes the Showtime deal I am pretty sure the interim bout would be against a different opponent.

[sandwichsurgeon]

Fighting a LHW won't hurt JC's chances:patsch what with his sturdy hands 'n' all.

[Jambon]

So Dawson truly is planning to duck Diaconnu at all cost. Word is he will change weight and drop is belt to avoid him.

[maracho]

Sounds great but give him Tarver first as a tune up

[audio101]

pffft just have Calzaghe and Kessler fight now..:tired

[maracho]

pffft just have Calzaghe and Kessler fight now..:tired

Kessler needs Glen Johnson first as a tune up and team Kessler seems to know it

[maracho]

Heck Match Dawson in against Mundine or Froch on the same night for a great biuld-up tournament

[New Wind]

No one from 160-175 will beat either Kessler or JC.

Having them fight anyone else but eachother is ridiculous..

Especially since JC breaks his hands every time he fights..

Beating Dawson would only postpone the Kessler fight even longer..

Dawson looked good against Adamek, as long as the pole hadn't turned up, but please remember what a little polish pressure did to young Chad..

JC and Kessler will destroy yet another American hype job..

[maracho]

No one from 160-175 will beat either Kessler or JC.

Having them fight anyone else but eachother is ridiculous..

Especially since JC breaks his hands every time he fights..

Beating Dawson would only postpone the Kessler fight even longer..

Dawson looked good against Adamek, as long as the pole hadn't turned up, but please remember what a little polish pressure did to young Chad..

JC and Kessler will destroy yet another American hype job..

What American has Kessler ever faced Mr. Euro-supremists?

[maracho]

Didnt Calzaghe say he wants three more fights? He could fight two in the tournament then top it off with a big HBO pay-day against either Hopkins Winky or Pavlik.

[Shake]

Calzaghe needs to fight three names and cement his legacy. I won't hold it against him if he doesn't take the Dawson fight. Some are already discrediting his win over Lacy.

[FiveStoneFists]

I would rather see Calzaghe - Kessler.

[maracho]

Showtime sucks donkey ass now.

True but somethings new and exciting could turn that dungeon of a network into a palace

[markbrooklyn]

No one from 160-175 will beat either Kessler or JC.

Having them fight anyone else but eachother is ridiculous..

Especially since JC breaks his hands every time he fights..

Beating Dawson would only postpone the Kessler fight even longer..

Dawson looked good against Adamek, as long as the pole hadn't turned up, but please remember what a little polish pressure did to young Chad..

JC and Kessler will destroy yet another American hype job..

Ummm did you see what "young" chad did to adamek who at the time was regarded as one of the best if not the best lightheavy in boxing??

[Axe]

After Dawson-Calzaghe there would be no Kessler fight for Joe, as Chad would beat him and take his P4P spot.

Calzaghe's chances go up at 168 though, Dawson may have some real problems making SMW now that he's filled out to his natural weightclass as a LHW.

At 175 Dawson would decision Calzaghe to a competetive points win and would win a wide UD against Kessler imo.

At 168 who knows what happens.

[China_hand_Joe]

That's weird. Not sure how my last post could have been edited back in February 2006 by someone else.Febuary 2006 was the last time the board was wiped. The posts edits are probably aligning with edits from after that boot.

[Axe]

:huh

So, how does Dawson beat Kessler so easily? Kessler, the guy who has won almost every round of every fight. The same guy who beat Mundine with a bad back. Hell, Mundine would give Dawson fits. :huh :huh

Dawson would beat Kessler because he is the better fighter. He's slicker, faster, and a little bigger. As to Mundine, he lost to Manny Siaca. 'Nuff said.

[Axe]

Tarver's going to avoid Dawson like the plague.

I agree, Suckalips has already declined the fight from what I'm hearing. I doubt Calzaghe takes a Dawson fight either. Joe's not known for taking the path of most resistance (to put it mildly).

[RightCross]

After Dawson-Calzaghe there would be no Kessler fight for Joe, as Chad would beat him and take his P4P spot.

Calzaghe's chances go up at 168 though, Dawson may have some real problems making SMW now that he's filled out to his natural weightclass as a LHW.

At 175 Dawson would decision Calzaghe to a competetive points win and would win a wide UD against Kessler imo.

At 168 who knows what happens.

Good post I agree. JC will however not take this fight. JC cannot stop Dawson and dawson is just as fast and has far better pop in his shots. Dawson also has better foot movement.

Dawson will easily outbox Kessler.

This fight should not come off but since ****** cant make a proper Euro fight with Kessler and team Palle can't get anything accomplished there is little alternative than to match these guys against americans who know how to make fights and properly pay fighters.

[DanePugilist]

Lets hope that this offer will force HBO to lay down the buck for Kessler-JC.

I dont mind seeing Kessler or JC meet Chad Dawson at either 168 or 175.

[pecks]

I like Dawson, I think he will achieve a lot in the sport. I don't want to see him being rushed into a fight with Kessler, or even JC atm.
Give him a year or two to get some much needed experienced fights at world class level, and then put him and Kessler in the ring to give the fight the accolades it deserves (providing they both keep winning).

[Amsterdam]

I like Dawson, I think he will achieve a lot in the sport. I don't want to see him being rushed into a fight with Kessler, or even JC atm.
Give him a year or two to get some much needed experienced fights at world class level, and then put him and Kessler in the ring to give the fight the accolades it deserves (providing they both keep winning).

You damn well know Kessler and Dawson both lose the supernatural one.:lol:

[pecks]

You damn well know Kessler and Dawson both lose the supernatural one.:lol::lol:
Sorry mate, I have to disagree with you on that one.
Hopefully only time will tell as it would be a tragedy if Kessler/Calzaghe didn't happen.
Though give him a year or two, and I reckon Dawson should have the maturity to beat Kessler. Thats probably all he lacks at the moment, he certainly has the skill.

[Amsterdam]

:lol:
Sorry mate, I have to disagree with you on that one.
Hopefully only time will tell as it would be a tragedy if Kessler/Calzaghe didn't happen.
Though give him a year or two, and I reckon Dawson should have the maturity to beat Kessler. Thats probably all he lacks at the moment, he certainly has the skill.

But he's supernatural, Dawson's just "fast". Kessler is just "skilled", nobody is fucking supernatural except for Joe.:bart

[DanePugilist]

You damn well know Kessler and Dawson both lose the supernatural one.:lol:I am pretty sure I can dig up a post made by you, that states that Dawson would probably beat both:lol::lol:.

Will Kessler be the supernatural one if he beats Calzaghe? Or is it just that JC wouldn't be in his prime?

I agree with Pecks - give Dawson a year or two - and we shall see. At that point, maybe Kessler would be a LHW.

[Axe]

I like Dawson, I think he will achieve a lot in the sport. I don't want to see him being rushed into a fight with Kessler, or even JC atm.
Give him a year or two to get some much needed experienced fights at world class level, and then put him and Kessler in the ring to give the fight the accolades it deserves (providing they both keep winning).

Imo Dawson doesn't need a year or two. He's a world champ and has notched his first defence, and looked excellent all the way through. That's like saying give Roy Jones another year or two, at age 25, when he fought Toney. What's the point? He schooled the man, and he had the same number of fights as Chad now, same age, etc.

25 year old Dawson is more than ready, he is at the top of his game.

[Axe]

The only way Chad may beat Kessler is if he fails another post fight drug test ( NC )

Errr....what? :huh

[Axe]

I am pretty sure I can dig up a post made by you, that states that Dawson would probably beat both:lol::lol:.

Will Kessler be the supernatural one if he beats Calzaghe? Or is it just that JC wouldn't be in his prime?

I agree with Pecks - give Dawson a year or two - and we shall see. At that point, maybe Kessler would be a LHW.

I don't believe Supernatural beings have "primes".

Therefore these Calzaghe fans would be out of excuses if Kessler should win. :yep

[Clearly Cool]

Kessler hasnt struggled with any of the opposition he as faught. He dropped a couple of rounds to a defensive mundine but still dominated.

To say he gets easily outboxed is foolish at this point.

[IrnBruMan]

I think Dawson has a hard time making 168 and that's why he moved to 175.If this fight does come off i dont want to see a drained Dawson in there against Joe because i think he has a good shot when fresh.

Why is it that every potential Joe match-up that gets talked about(Hopkins Jones Johnson Woods Tarver Taylor Wright and now Dawson)is against somebody not even in his weightclass when Kessler is right there and everybody wants to see that fight.He never wants to move up or down in weight and expects everybody to do it against him.I think he does it to keep his name out there amongst guys he knows will not end up fighting him as a distraction for the Kessler fight.

Calzaghe's been talking about moving up to LHW for at least the last 3 years - his 2 cancelled fights vs Glen Johnson were to be at LHW, and he has stated it's not as easy these days for him to make 168, and that he would like to be a 2 division champ.

All of those other opponents you named would be at LHW apart from Taylor - which was intended to be at 168, because Taylor said he would be happy to come up, but then he looked crap vs Ouma and Spinks, and Calzaghe realised a fight against him wouldn't be as lucrative - and Wright, depending on who wins out of Wright vs B-Hop.

If Wright beats B-Hop at LHW, surely he's capable of fighting at LHW again vs Calzaghe?

[langshof]

Showtime, my as*!

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[New Wind]

Yes I saw what Chad did to Adamek. Adamek didn't show up till it was too late. But when he did, down went defenceless Chad.

Both JC and Kessler would show up from the get go for a fight with Dawson and they would both wup his behind (just saw clips from When we were kings, so pardon the language:-))

[pecks]

Yes I saw what Chad did to Adamek. Adamek didn't show up till it was too late. But when he did, down went defenceless Chad.

Both JC and Kessler would show up from the get go for a fight with Dawson and they would both wup his behind (just saw clips from When we were kings, so pardon the language:-))Welcome back Windy, I haven't seen your pencil necky carcus around here for a while. :p

Regarding the Dawson/Adamek fight...you can't simplify it to the extent of saying that Adamek didn't turn up until the 10th (even though Mundine only turned up in the 1st, 3rd, and 9th against Kessler :D). Dawson was just that much superior in their fight, but still needs time to mature, imo.
Give him fights big decent fights for the next 18 or so months before he takes on someone like Kessler, and if Kessler keeps winning too, it will set the stage for a super fight.