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SugarShane_24
01-15-2008, 09:54 AM
I've seen it already done before by ring mag and i'm trying to follow suit. I'll make a list of different attributes and you list who you think is the best in those categories.

Jab -
Left hook - Cotto
Right hand - Wlad
Uppercut -
Bodypunching -
Chin -
Handspeed - Pac
Footwork - PBF
Stamina -
Ring Generalship -

jonesjrp4p1
01-15-2008, 10:11 AM
jab - winky
left hook - ?
right hand - miranda or pavlik
uppercut - judah
bodypunching - cotto
chin - baldomir
handspeed - judah
footwork - floyd
stamina - a bunch (mayweather, williams, hatton, calzaghe)
ring generalship - floyd

1Kolijn
01-15-2008, 10:12 AM
1.Mayweather
2.Mayweather
3.Mayweather
4.Mayweather
5.Mayweather
6.Mayweather
7.Mayweather
8.Mayweather
9.Mayweather
10.Mayweather

11. Counterpuncher = Mayweather!

SugarShane_24
01-15-2008, 10:13 AM
Pavlik's right hand, i forgot about that.

SugarShane_24
01-15-2008, 10:14 AM
1.Mayweather
2.Mayweather
3.Mayweather
4.Mayweather
5.Mayweather
6.Mayweather
7.Mayweather
8.Mayweather
9.Mayweather
10.Mayweather

11. Counterpuncher = Mayweather!

I know it's your opinion, but isn't that too much?

1Kolijn
01-15-2008, 10:21 AM
okey..

Right hand - Miranda
Do retired boxers count? if so
Uppercut - Lennox Lewis

jonesjrp4p1
01-15-2008, 10:25 AM
okey..

Right hand - Miranda
Do retired boxers count? if so
Uppercut - Lennox Lewis

i did all active or my list would of been completley different

SugarShane_24
01-15-2008, 10:26 AM
Let's keep it to active boxers today. Although had Lewis still been around, I agree he has a mean uppercut.

K0NPHL1C7
01-15-2008, 10:30 AM
Jab - Winky
Left hook - Cotto/Hatton
Right hand - Wlad
Uppercut - Castillo
Bodypunching - Cotto
Chin - Ruiz
Handspeed - Judah
Footwork - Mayweather
Stamina - Mayweather
Ring Generalship - Mayweather

ThePlugInBabies
01-15-2008, 10:37 AM
Stamina - Mayweather

bullshit.

i'm not saying he has poor stamina, but how on earth can you rate him stamina wise above guys with punch output like paul williams and joe calzaghe?

Haye
01-15-2008, 10:40 AM
Chin - Ruiz

You ever see the Tua fight. Ruiz showed a fucking iron chin then...

K0NPHL1C7
01-15-2008, 10:40 AM
bullshit.

i'm not saying he has poor stamina, but how on earth can you rate him stamina wise above guys with punch output like paul williams and joe calzaghe?

If the catagory was punch output, I would have chosen Calzaghe. But in my mind, there is no better conditioned athleate in the sport than Mayweather. Just because he doesn't throw them, doesn't mean he couldn't.

SugarShane_24
01-15-2008, 10:40 AM
bullshit.

i'm not saying he has poor stamina, but how on earth can you rate him stamina wise above guys with punch output like paul williams and joe calzaghe?

And Pac.

SugarShane_24
01-15-2008, 10:41 AM
Btw, is Baldo still active?

He gets my vote for chin.

ThePlugInBabies
01-15-2008, 10:42 AM
If the catagory was punch output, I would have chosen Calzaghe. But in my mind, there is no better conditioned athleate in the sport than Mayweather. Just because he doesn't throw them, doesn't mean he couldn't.

that's the point though, guys like calzaghe and williams have shown immense stamina by keeping a high punch output throughout an entire fight. floyd always starts a little slow holding back on the amount he throws, thus he hasn't proven he can live with the punch output and stamina of the above mentioned guys.

"ohhh but he could if he wanted, it donesn't mean he can't" doesn't cut it. his stamina levels simply aren't as well proven as some other guys out there.

K0NPHL1C7
01-15-2008, 10:43 AM
You ever see the Tua fight. Ruiz showed a fucking iron chin then...

One fluke knockout in his entire career, and you question his chin? The guy never went down before, or after that fight.

Another case of an ESB sheep basing his entire opinion on the status quo. Think objectively.

ThePlugInBabies
01-15-2008, 10:44 AM
One fluke knockout in his entire career, and you question his chin? The guy never went down before, or after that fight.

Another case of an ESB sheep basing his entire opinion on the status quo. Think objectively.

mccall?

K0NPHL1C7
01-15-2008, 10:49 AM
mccall?
Not bad, but the Ruiz knockout was much more of a "flash" KO. With the McCall loss you could argue that the accumulative punches through 4 rounds lead tot he TKO.

Against Tua, Ruiz was simply caught off guard, he wasn't expecting Tuz to charge in like that. They could fight 100 times more and I would wager that would never happen again.

ThePlugInBabies
01-15-2008, 10:51 AM
Not bad, but the Ruiz knockout was much more of a "flash" KO. With the McCall loss you could argue that the accumulative punches through 4 rounds lead tot he TKO.

Against Tua, Ruiz was simply caught off guard, he wasn't expecting Tuz to charge in like that. They could fight 100 times more and I would wager that would never happen again.

you're talking about mccall-lewis right?

you don't think being dragged out of rehab and being forced to fight when mentally unstable had anything to do with his breakdown then?

K0NPHL1C7
01-15-2008, 10:54 AM
you're talking about mccall-lewis right?

you don't think being dragged out of rehab and being forced to fight when mentally unstable had anything to do with his breakdown then?

Well if we're talking the conditions leading into the fight, then I suppose you have a point. All i'm saying is that the KO itself was a little more earned by Lewis. Tua got shit lucky.

carras
01-15-2008, 10:55 AM
Not bad, but the Ruiz knockout was much more of a "flash" KO. With the McCall loss you could argue that the accumulative punches through 4 rounds lead tot he TKO.

Against Tua, Ruiz was simply caught off guard, he wasn't expecting Tuz to charge in like that. They could fight 100 times more and I would wager that would never happen again.

dude I've got nothig against ruiz, but really....

flash ko??:lol::lol::lol:

he almost got thrown out of the ring.

ThePlugInBabies
01-15-2008, 10:57 AM
Well if we're talking the conditions leading into the fight, then I suppose you have a point. All i'm saying is that the KO itself was a little more earned by Lewis. Tua got shit lucky.

lewis was bouncing punches off oliver's face and he wasn't even blinking, just crying and breaking down mentally in the middle of the ring but still lennox's punches weren't having any impact.

ruiz got KTFO brutally.

ruiz has got a good chin, mccall's is just on it's own freakish level.

carras
01-15-2008, 10:58 AM
jab - winky/wlad
left hook - cotto
right hand - miranda/pavlik(pretty even)
uppercut - judah
bodypunching - cotto
chin - baldo/mcall
handspeed - judah/pac
footwork - pbf
stamina - pbf/williams/calzaghe
ring generalship - pbf

K0NPHL1C7
01-15-2008, 11:01 AM
dude I've got nothig against ruiz, but really....

flash ko??:lol::lol::lol:

he almost got thrown out of the ring.

It was bassicly1 left hook throw and landed, that just happened to catch Ruiz, who wasn't expecting such a wild punch so early in the fight. Like I said before, they could fight 100 times and that would never happen again, it was a fluke.

Marnoff
01-15-2008, 01:14 PM
Jab - Klitschko
Left hook - Cotto
Right hand - Klitschko, Pavlik
Uppercut - Pavlik
Bodypunching - Cotto, Hatton, Mayweather
Chin - Hopkins, Toney, Mayweather
Handspeed - Judah
Footwork - Mayweather
Stamina - Mayweather, Calzaghe
Ring Generalship - Hopkins, Mayweather

Marnoff
01-15-2008, 01:16 PM
bullshit.

i'm not saying he has poor stamina, but how on earth can you rate him stamina wise above guys with punch output like paul williams and joe calzaghe?

Put Joe Calzaghe on there as well if you want, but Mayweather never gets tired. Just because they have high output styles does not tell a thing about them being more conditioned than Mayweather.

Marnoff
01-15-2008, 01:18 PM
that's the point though, guys like calzaghe and williams have shown immense stamina by keeping a high punch output throughout an entire fight. floyd always starts a little slow holding back on the amount he throws, thus he hasn't proven he can live with the punch output and stamina of the above mentioned guys.

"ohhh but he could if he wanted, it donesn't mean he can't" doesn't cut it. his stamina levels simply aren't as well proven as some other guys out there.

Ya, going undefeated as long as he has at the top level without ever showing signs of fatigue down the stretch does tell me quite a bit. You don't believe Mayweather has proven himself? Give me a break.

jaffay
01-15-2008, 01:28 PM
Jab - Wlad/Winky
Left hook - De La Hoya
Right hand - Peter
Uppercut - Rafael Marquez
Bodypunching - Cotto
Chin - Toney/McCall
Handspeed - Floyd
Footwork - Floyd
Stamina - Toney
Ring Generalship - Hopkins

2FasT
01-15-2008, 01:34 PM
Stamina - Calzaghe
Ring Generalship - Calzaghe
Rest mayweather

rodney
01-15-2008, 05:19 PM
How about "Head Butt" --- Ricky Hatton.

2FasT
01-15-2008, 05:30 PM
How about Elbows - Floyd Mayweather
Besides hopkins is by far the biggest headbutter

valdosta
01-15-2008, 05:59 PM
It was bassicly1 left hook throw and landed, that just happened to catch Ruiz, who wasn't expecting such a wild punch so early in the fight. Like I said before, they could fight 100 times and that would never happen again, it was a fluke.

Ruiz was dropped by Golota also. I think mcCall has a better chin than Ruiz. The punches he took from LL would have fucked Ruiz up.

jimmy1991
01-15-2008, 06:09 PM
jab - winky
left hook - oscar / tito
right hand - pavlik
uppercut - judah
bodypunching - cotto
chin - baldomir
handspeed - pbf
footwork - pbf
stamina - juan diaz
ring generalship - pbf

brooklyn1550
01-15-2008, 06:12 PM
Jab - Klitschko, Kessler, Mijares, Wright, Pavlik
Left Hook - Cotto, Vazquez, Mayweather, Abraham, Donaire
Right Hand - Pavlik, Cintron, Klitschko, Forrest, Kessler, R Marquez
Uppercut - JM Marquez, R Marquez, Kessler, Dawson, Judah
Bodypunching - Cotto, Calzaghe, Hatton, Mayweather, JM Marquez
Chin - McCall, Tua, Baldomir, Andrade, Wilson
Handspeed - Judah, Mayweather, Calzaghe, Guzman
Footwork - Mayweather, Calzaghe, Hopkins
Stamina - Calzaghe, Juan Diaz, Williams, Mayweather
Ring Generalship - Mayweather, Hopkins

Illmatic
01-15-2008, 06:35 PM
Jab - Wright
Left hook - Cotto
Right hand - Miranda
Uppercut - Judah, Dawson
Bodypunching - Cotto
Chin - Andrade
Handspeed - Judah, Khan
Footwork - JMM
Stamina - Calzaghe, Williams
Ring Generalship - Hopkins
Defense- Mayweather

Illmatic
01-15-2008, 06:37 PM
How about "Head Butt" --- Ricky Hatton.

:nono Not while Holy's still around...

Brickhaus
01-15-2008, 07:49 PM
On a P4P basis, where appropriate

Jab - Wlad
Left hook - Cotto
Right hand - Pavlik
Uppercut - Margarito or Soto
Bodypunching - Cotto
Chin - At this point, probably Arce; I can't imagine McCall's chin is still what it once was.
Handspeed - Chris John
Footwork - Calderon or Mayweather
Stamina - Calzaghe or Williams
Ring Generalship - Hopkins

Throw in defense as a category and that one's pretty clear for Mayweather or Calderon.

I always feel like Arce's chin is underrated. He was only buzzed once in his career, and it was by a shot by Carbajal that he turned straight into.

Robbi
01-15-2008, 08:42 PM
Jab - Luevano
Left hook - Cotto
Right hand - Pavlik
Uppercut - J M Marquez
Bodypunching - Cotto
Chin - Pacquiao
Handspeed - Mayweather
Footwork - Mayweather
Stamina - Calzaghe
Ring Generalship - Hopkins
Technique - J M Marquez

MagnificentMatt
01-15-2008, 08:50 PM
Id say Stamina goes to Calzaghe...

Lance_Uppercut
01-15-2008, 08:55 PM
Jab - Wlad
Left hook - Wlad
Right hand - Daniel Ponce De leon
Uppercut - Mayweather
Bodypunching - Cotto
Chin - McCall
Handspeed - Pacquiao
Footwork - Mayweather
Stamina - Juan Diaz
Ring Generalship - Hopkins

Robbi
01-15-2008, 09:00 PM
J M Marquez gets off with the uppercut, left or right hand, with ease. He doesn't just throw it inside, but also from long range. Thats a rare sight, a fighter throwing an uppercut from distance. His uppercut was lethal against Jandeang, and when he had Barrera all over the place during the 7th round, again it was a damaging weapon in his arsenal.

Ziggy Montana
01-15-2008, 09:44 PM
Including but not limited to:

Jab - Winky and Kessler
Left hook - Cotto (to the body), PBF (to the head)
Right hand - Pavlik and Cintron (PBF best right hand lead)
Uppercut - JM Marquez, Zab and Dawson
Bodypunching - Cotto, Hatton
Chin - Baldo, Andrade
Handspeed - Zab, Pac, PBF
Footwork - PBF, B-Hop, Calderon
Stamina - PBF, Calzaghe
Ring Generalship -PBF, B-Hop

Musashi
01-15-2008, 10:11 PM
Jab - Winky
Left hook - Cotto
Right hand - Wlad
Uppercut - not sure
Bodypunching - Cotto
Chin - Tua, Baldomir
Handspeed - Pacquaio
Footwork - Mayweather
Stamina - Paul Williams, Calzaghe
Ring Generalship - Calderon

saul_ir34
01-15-2008, 10:14 PM
I think Edwin Valero should be up there with Miranda/pavlik for right hand!!!!
Edwins is left handed....

saul_ir34
01-15-2008, 10:19 PM
Jab - Rafael Marquez he didnt use it as much in his last fight but that thing is a piston
Left hook - Cotto DLH has a nice one too though
Right hand - Pavlik
Uppercut - JMM he can throw it from anywhere
Bodypunching - Definately Cotto. It makes me crinch when i watch him land it
Chin - Andrade Margarito and Baldomir
Handspeed - Pac
Footwork - PBF
Stamina - Margo Calzaghe and Williams
Ring Generalship - PBF
Defense- Winky first followed by PBF

ThePlugInBabies
01-16-2008, 06:27 AM
Ya, going undefeated as long as he has at the top level without ever showing signs of fatigue down the stretch does tell me quite a bit. You don't believe Mayweather has proven himself? Give me a break.

maybe you should slowly read my post again. i said that although mayweather is amongst the best conditioned fighters on the planet with good stamina i just didn't think he quite matched someone like calzaghe for stamina. mayweather tends to fight in spurts at times where as calzaghe is a non stop, 3 minutes a go punching machine.

my post had zero to do with floyd's career achievements. capiche?

robpalmer135
01-16-2008, 06:38 AM
Jab - Taylor
Left hook - Cotto
Right hand - Pavlik
Uppercut - Haye
Bodypunching - Cotto
Chin - Cotto
Handspeed - PBF
Footwork - PBF
Stamina - Calzaghe
Ring Generalship - PBF

hitman_hatton1
01-16-2008, 07:08 AM
jab - wlad klitschko
left hook - oscar
right hand - haye
uppercut - floyd
bodypunching - hatton
chin - toney
handspeed - floyd
footwork - floyd
stamina - floyd
ring generalship - hopkins

KCD
01-16-2008, 10:00 AM
Jab:- Wladimir Klitschko
L.Hook:- Miguel Cotto
R.Hand:- Kelly Pavlik
Uppercut:- Joan Guzman
Bodypunching:- Miguel Cotto or Ricky Hatton
Chin:- Nikolai Valuev (when has he ever been wobbled)
Handspeed:- Joe Calzaghe
Footwork:- Floyd Mayweather Jnr
Stamina:- Joe Calzaghe
Ring generalship:- Floyd Mayweather Jnr