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Well I was thinking about doing some wieght training for boixng and I was wondering if you guys think that it is beneficial for boxers or not, I am personally leaning towards no. But I have read some things on the web that say it can actually help boxers. But I can really find any boxers that do weight train.
Just wanted to know what you think of boxing and weight training.
Relentless
07-06-2007, 04:18 PM
weight training is good if done the right way, it should be a supplement to your boxing training, so it should be done maximum 2 or 3 times a week,
work on compound lifts (deadlifts, bench press, squats) and forget the isolation movements such as bicep curls and machines, work with heavyweights with 3-5 reps for strength 4-6 reps for power 7-12 reps for hypertrophy (bulking) and 12+ for endurance
once you master the basic lifts you can then move onto the more harder olympic lifts such as clean and jerk or clean and press,
as for boxers who lift weights there are evander holyfield, kostya tszyu, kelly pavlik, shane mosley and alot of others.
Relentless
07-06-2007, 04:22 PM
damn i wrote something useful without being sarcastic or insulting anyone!
fuck you, you suck at boxing find another sport!!
that feels alot better.
Lostmykeys
07-06-2007, 05:33 PM
damn i wrote something useful without being sarcastic or insulting anyone!
fuck you, you suck at boxing find another sport!!
that feels alot better.
Nice.
You almost let me down.
achillesthegreat
07-06-2007, 06:10 PM
I don't believe an amateur really has time to do weights. You just don't know your art. Not only is it your art but it could possibly soon be your trade. As an amateur you should be continously working on your game. Leave weights for the pros and even then don't touch them until you consult someone who knows what the fuck he is on about.
Relentless
07-06-2007, 06:20 PM
I don't believe an amateur really has time to do weights. You just don't know your art. Not only is it your art but it could possibly soon be your trade. As an amateur you should be continously working on your game. Leave weights for the pros and even then don't touch them until you consult someone who knows what the fuck he is on about.
i visited repton boys club last week and they were doing a circuit (bags - skipping - shadow etc) anyways they moved onto weights and i saw they were doing circuits with bicep curls and tricep extension, i should have spoke out and tell them abit about bicep curls but then i realised it wasn't my place.
Relentless[/B]"]work with heavyweights with 3-5 reps for strength 4-6 reps for power
that doesn't make sense. Distinguish between the two. And the ranges overlap. I figured 6 and below was the neuromuscular strength, a.k.a., brute power.
In response to the initial post, you shouldn't do weights, generally speaking. For the past two months I had been focusing on the 3-5 reps of compound lifts as my main method of strength training. It really had no benefits to my boxing game. But that may just be because I am lighter and therefore need speed more than power. Either way, the 3-5 range is the best way to lift, but it will still add mass and tighten muscles to a certain degree, especially if you're doing it 3 times a week. Now I use mainly bodyweight exercises and will occasionally do things like dumbbell swings, snatches, clean and jerk. So, if you're a heavier weight, yes. otherwise, no.
Relentless
07-06-2007, 07:03 PM
i take it you had a bad experience?
Relentless
07-06-2007, 07:15 PM
:lol: better be carefull though some prick banned me for a week for being a smartass to someone who posted a question we have seen 100,000 times
no you were probably banned because you are an idiot.
achillesthegreat
07-07-2007, 07:50 AM
i visited repton boys club last week and they were doing a circuit (bags - skipping - shadow etc) anyways they moved onto weights and i saw they were doing circuits with bicep curls and tricep extension, i should have spoke out and tell them abit about bicep curls but then i realised it wasn't my place.
There are still alot of coaches who will get their guys to do silly things. Plus we are talking about Repton Boys Club and it has a reputation.
Kenny
07-07-2007, 03:58 PM
Hi guys, my name is Kenny and I'm new to the forum.
I've been a strength and conditioning trainer for many years and have trained boxers, mma athletes and typical athletes. I've been weight training for 27 years since age 12, working out with boxing equipment (bags, ropes) since age 16. My brothers boxed so I was always around it. If anyone is familiar with the Westbury, Long Island PAL and Pete Brodsky, Tommy Maloy (trainers).
Weight training is something that has been setting apart fighters for many many years now and yes, you should do it. There are some types of training that can be detrimental and of course, boxing skill should be priority when it comes to boxing.
With that said, any resistance that you can not move from point A to point B very rapidly and/or fast will be counter productive. For example, the bench press; if you are dealing with resistance that is so heavy that you press it slowly, not explosively, that can be counter productive if done too much.
One person mentioned neuromuscular facilitation.... Very good!!! Nerves innervate muscles and yes they do adapt to a pattern. Your movements must be explosive, FULL range and specific, not sloppy.
During the set, at each 2 rep range or so, you should mentally say to yourself, "checkpoint", and that means get your pattern correct, your bodyposition, your speed and control....do not progressively go through a set if it is sloppy and out of control.
Rarely should machines be used!! Balance is one of the key benifits to free weight training....Olympic lifters have great balance.....if you don't have balance in boxing or any sport, you will fall apart and waste lots of energy.
If you don't incoorporate weight training, you should start...it will bring you to the next level, but it must be the right way.
This is an AWESOME board and I'm glad I finally signed up.
Dempsey, Evander, Hearns, Leonard some of my best, among many more of course.... Also, I gotta say Buster Douglas....that's right, because not only did he show exceptional skills in the Tyson fight but he over came what other fighters could not....the power of fear and the unknown.... Tyson was amazing, but lots of fighters got beaten because they were beaten by the hype and Douglas over came that and took enormous bombs to end the fight beautifully. For that one fight display he goes down as pretty high in my book. I don't think many could have beaten that day, with that skill.
Take care.
achillesthegreat
07-07-2007, 05:07 PM
Welcome.
Kenny[/B]"]Hi guys, my name is Kenny and I'm new to the forum.
I've been a strength and conditioning trainer for many years and have trained boxers, mma athletes and typical athletes. I've been weight training for 27 years since age 12, working out with boxing equipment (bags, ropes) since age 16. My brothers boxed so I was always around it. If anyone is familiar with the Westbury, Long Island PAL and Pete Brodsky, Tommy Maloy (trainers).
Weight training is something that has been setting apart fighters for many many years now and yes, you should do it. There are some types of training that can be detrimental and of course, boxing skill should be priority when it comes to boxing.
With that said, any resistance that you can not move from point A to point B very rapidly and/or fast will be counter productive. For example, the bench press; if you are dealing with resistance that is so heavy that you press it slowly, not explosively, that can be counter productive if done too much.
One person mentioned neuromuscular facilitation.... Very good!!! Nerves innervate muscles and yes they do adapt to a pattern. Your movements must be explosive, FULL range and specific, not sloppy.
During the set, at each 2 rep range or so, you should mentally say to yourself, "checkpoint", and that means get your pattern correct, your bodyposition, your speed and control....do not progressively go through a set if it is sloppy and out of control.
Rarely should machines be used!! Balance is one of the key benifits to free weight training....Olympic lifters have great balance.....if you don't have balance in boxing or any sport, you will fall apart and waste lots of energy.
If you don't incoorporate weight training, you should start...it will bring you to the next level, but it must be the right way.
This is an AWESOME board and I'm glad I finally signed up.
Dempsey, Evander, Hearns, Leonard some of my best, among many more of course.... Also, I gotta say Buster Douglas....that's right, because not only did he show exceptional skills in the Tyson fight but he over came what other fighters could not....the power of fear and the unknown.... Tyson was amazing, but lots of fighters got beaten because they were beaten by the hype and Douglas over came that and took enormous bombs to end the fight beautifully. For that one fight display he goes down as pretty high in my book. I don't think many could have beaten that day, with that skill.
Take care.
yeah, I mentioned that neuromuscular strength thing. I used to do 8-12 reps, which sucked, but for the past couple of months (I stopped now) I had been doing compound lifts of 3-6 reps, 3 times a week. Sure, the strength gains were good, but not really effective in the ring, so now I just do a few exercises minimally and stick to bodyweight and conditioning. I would think weight training might be able to take a heavyweight to the "next level," but not a smaller fighter focused more on speed and agility.
Relentless
07-07-2007, 06:54 PM
yeah, I mentioned that neuromuscular strength thing. I used to do 8-12 reps, which sucked, but for the past couple of months (I stopped now) I had been doing compound lifts of 3-6 reps, 3 times a week. Sure, the strength gains were good, but not really effective in the ring, so now I just do a few exercises minimally and stick to bodyweight and conditioning. I would think weight training might be able to take a heavyweight to the "next level," but not a smaller fighter focused more on speed and agility.
weight training can benefit speed and agility try doing 70% of your one rep max for 4-5 reps in a faster pace.
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BTW what are your thoughts on complex training?
Relentless[/B]"] weight training can benefit speed and agility try doing 70% of your one rep max for 4-5 reps in a faster pace.
******e fortune has manny pacquaio doing this according to an interview on [Only registered and activated users can see links]***********.com ([Only registered and activated users can see links]***********.com/)
BTW what are your thoughts on complex training?
Ok, I agree with the first part. I'll try that. The weights aren't too heavy, nor the reps too high. What do you mean by "complex training"?
Relentless
07-08-2007, 06:36 AM
google it, i'll post some articles later.
I read a little. It sounds good. I've never done it that way, but I might try.
benj4
07-09-2007, 03:13 AM
I would build a solid foundation before doing pyo's or complex training. A 1.5 bodyweight barbell squat is optimal.
benj4[/B]"]I would build a solid foundation before doing pyo's or complex training. A 1.5 bodyweight barbell squat is optimal.
was that directed at me because I said I've never done complex training? I've done plyos, heavy weights, etc., just not consecutively like that. I can squat more than 1.5 my bodyweight.
aramini
07-09-2007, 10:23 AM
lifting weights has been a mixed blessing for me. Sometimes I'm just way too strong at 128 pounds for others. But there is an awkwardness in my reflexes that is occasionally exposed against guys who can take my offense, though they aren't that common at such a low weight. Since I do weights quickly and somewhat explosively, there isn't a noticeable reduction in speed, and even my arm punches can be harder than an average guy my weight. However, I have torn a bicep before in a match when I threw a quick and hard jab because the muscle was still very tight from a previous session of lifting. You shouldn't be lifting a few days before a fight.
I don't tend to put on much weight from lifting, it made my walk around weight go from about 118 to 129 or so in about ten years. I think others would balloon up a little bit more.
achillesthegreat
07-09-2007, 02:52 PM
lifting weights has been a mixed blessing for me. Sometimes I'm just way too strong at 128 pounds for others. But there is an awkwardness in my reflexes that is occasionally exposed against guys who can take my offense, though they aren't that common at such a low weight. Since I do weights quickly and somewhat explosively, there isn't a noticeable reduction in speed, and even my arm punches can be harder than an average guy my weight. However, I have torn a bicep before in a match when I threw a quick and hard jab because the muscle was still very tight from a previous session of lifting. You shouldn't be lifting a few days before a fight.
I don't tend to put on much weight from lifting, it made my walk around weight go from about 118 to 129 or so in about ten years. I think others would balloon up a little bit more.
I want to see you stand on a scale and take a picture so I can believe you way 128 pounds!
If you do, then you are ESBs very own Sean Sherk!
aramini
07-09-2007, 08:20 PM
All right I will take a picture after my workout tonight with the gym scale but it is a balance one so it might be hard to get my face in their too. I will try to find an electronic one. You have to remember that in all the pictures I post I'm flexing or in motion - my muscles expand quite a bit.
benj4
07-10-2007, 04:13 AM
was that directed at me because I said I've never done complex training? I've done plyos, heavy weights, etc., just not consecutively like that. I can squat more than 1.5 my bodyweight.
It wasn't directed at you. It was directed at any readers who might decide to go out and try it without the proper foundation. And then can't get out of bed for three days.
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