Kelly Pavlik - The most overrated fighter

[Pantera2000]

I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look much better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranda is able to stop him.

[natep]

Tomato cans in Fulgencio Zuniga? Bronco McKart? Jose Luis Zertuche? And he beat the number one middleweight in the world? Yeah dude, totally overrated.

[Punisher33]

I agree to an extent, Pavlik does have serious power, top 3 pound for pound IMO. As far as overall boxing skills he's limmited, his punches looked slow in comparison to Taylors, and his footwork is very choppy as well. Pavlik can beat some good fighters out there with his power alone, but the first time he gets in there with a fighter who got pretty good boxing skills and a chin he will lose.

[Pantera2000]

Tomato cans in Fulgencio Zuniga? Bronco McKart? Jose Luis Zertuche? And he beat the number one middleweight in the world? Yeah dude, totally overrated.

Rankings:
Zuniga - 15
McKart - 68
Zertuche -51

Not too hard to beat the bottom two. I give him credit for Zuniga though.

[Beebs]

Man, shut the fuck up, Pavlik is just as big or bigger than Miranda and had to cut just as much or more weight. Hes a better boxer, has more power, more heart, and a better chin, and is the undisputed champion of the world. How the fuck can he be overrated?

[natep]

Rankings don't mean shit mang. Fuck the ABC belt organizations.

[Beebs]

Rankings don't mean shit mang. Fuck the ABC belt organizations.

Seriously, the proof is in Miranda and Taylor taking naps in the ring.

Coulda woulda shoulda means fuck all, Pavlik did the deed, no rating needed, just watch reality.

[Pantera2000]

Man, shut the fuck up, Pavlik is just as big or bigger than Miranda and had to cut just as much or more weight. Hes a better boxer, has more power, more heart, and a better chin, and is the undisputed champion of the world. How the fuck can he be overrated?

Miranda had to lose 50lbs to make weight. No way Pavlik was even close. Pavlik is the better boxer. Miranda has more single punch power, Pavlik has more power over continous punches. Miranda has a bigger heart to keep getting abused and not giving up. We dont know how much Kelly could take cause he has never been there. Better chin? Not sure here either. Again, Pavlik got dazed bad by one good punch. Miranda was hurt from being pounded over 7 rounds.

Being the champion does not mean you cant be over rated dipshit! That is the whole point!

[Caliboxing]

I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look much better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranda is able to stop him.


Face it, Kelly did what he was supposed to and now he's champion. I know you don't like that he beat Miranda but get over it.

[Sweet Pea]

Tomato cans in Bronco McKart? Jose Luis Zertuche? Well yeah.

Pavlik is still better than Miranda though.

[2FasT]

Calzaghe would school Pavlik :deal

[albeziel]

Overrated, well is not like he has been ranked as a 1st P4P, I give him credit for doing all the things he have done (Miranda, Taylor) but I do think that Taylor has a chance in their rematch, anything could happen.

[Beebs]

Miranda had to lose 50lbs to make weight. No way Pavlik was even close. Pavlik is the better boxer. Miranda has more single punch power, Pavlik has more power over continous punches. Miranda has a bigger heart to keep getting abused and not giving up. We dont know how much Kelly could take cause he has never been there. Better chin? Not sure here either. Again, Pavlik got dazed bad by one good punch. Miranda was hurt from being pounded over 7 rounds.

Being the champion does not mean you can be over rated dipshit! That is the whole point!

He didn't lose 50 pounds of water which is what makes you weight drained.

There is a difference between losing weight through getting in shape, and cutting weight. Cutting weight is losing the weight just long enough to step on a scale and then putting it back on before the fight, both men weighed nearly the same when they stepped in the ring. Both men are about the same size when in shape, if Miranda is stupid and lazy enough to get absurdly heavy between fights that just shows another way Pavlik is superior.

If Miranda is that lazy between fights 8 pounds wont make a difference, he will just lose less fat and be in worse shape before hitting the sauna and being weight drained again.

There is more to heart than getting beat up, true heart is displayed by working hard EVERYDAY. Miranda let himself get fat and out of shape, that is not heart. Saying Miranda has more heart because he was getting abused is absurd, Pavlik had the heart to be tough enough to take all the abuse Miranda had for him, and more importantly had the heart to stay in shape and act like a profesional.

[PolishPummler]

Keep in mind the thread starter talked shit for months leading up to Pavlik vs Miranda fight and dissapeared for MONTHS after the beating Miranda took.

Pantera you are a grade A pussy for running off like a school girl.

[albeziel]

I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look much better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranda is able to stop him.

Maybe you are just mad cause he KO Pantera, there is always the option of a rematch in the future, besides I think Pantera will want to fight Pavlik in the future, hell! even Arthur....If Taylor wins the rematch I wouldn't be surprised also

[JETSKI]

Man, shut the fuck up, Pavlik is just as big or bigger than Miranda and had to cut just as much or more weight. Hes a better boxer, has more power, more heart, and a better chin, and is the undisputed champion of the world. How the fuck can he be overrated?

Pantera2000...its been a long time. You hear what the above Beebs said? It took you long enough to even show your face up around here again after Kelly obliterated your boy, & now after slying slithering back into the fold, you finally got up enough balls to belittle Kelly.

Well, thats pretty low. And I could conclude with saying fuck you & your rat eating hero, but I won't. Because my boy has the belts, & you can only hope that Kelly doesn't smash Miranda's thick skull one more time in the future.

:hi:

[lillarry]

I agree to a extent that he is becoming a vastly overrated on this board. But he did what a champion is supposed to do, take advantage of every opportunity that comes your way.. He beat Miranda, in a title eliminator and than beat the champ in Jermain Taylor.. I mean what else can you ask for?

Also, he is exciting to watch, which is always good for boxing

[ml]

Im not even a big Pavlik fan, but i have to say Pantera is a joke. A guy climbs the ladder the right way beats everyone that puts in front of him by KO and then gets off the deck to dethrone the undefeated world recognized middleweight champion. He represents the ideal process of earning and obtaining a belt. Yet the way so called fans like you question his ability or credentials is an absolute joke. Does he have flaws? Absolutely all fighters do!! Will he eventually lose? Probably all fighters do!! You would be siging a different tune if he didnt beat your favorite fighter.

[PolishPummler]

Im not even a big Pavlik fan, but i have to say Pantera is a joke. A guy climbs the ladder the right way beats everyone that puts in front of him by KO and then gets off the deck to dethrone the undefeated world recognized middleweight champion. He represents the ideal process of earning and obtaining a belt. Yet the way so called fans like you question his ability or credentials is an absolute joke. Does he have flaws? Absolutely all fighters do!! Will he eventually lose? Probably all fighters do!! You would be siging a different tune if he didnt beat your favorite fighter.

Quality.

[Pantera2000]

He didn't lose 50 pounds of water which is what makes you weight drained.

There is a difference between losing weight through getting in shape, and cutting weight. Cutting weight is losing the weight just long enough to step on a scale and then putting it back on before the fight, both men weighed nearly the same when they stepped in the ring. Both men are about the same size when in shape, if Miranda is stupid and lazy enough to get absurdly heavy between fights that just shows another way Pavlik is superior.

If Miranda is that lazy between fights 8 pounds wont make a difference, he will just lose less fat and be in worse shape before hitting the sauna and being weight drained again.

There is more to heart than getting beat up, true heart is displayed by working hard EVERYDAY. Miranda let himself get fat and out of shape, that is not heart. Saying Miranda has more heart because he was getting abused is absurd, Pavlik had the heart to be tough enough to take all the abuse Miranda had for him, and more importantly had the heart to stay in shape and act like a profesional.

You see, at 210lbs Miranda is not fat. He is just freakin huge. To get down to 160lbs he had to burn muscle. That is what killed him.

Look at his weigh in pictures for his last fight at 170.5lbs, the boy is freakin ripped. Where the hell did the other 10.5lbs come from???

You put Miranda next to Pavlik at 200lbs and I bet Pavlik has a beer belly and Miranda is sporting Abs.

[dave82]

Im not even a big Pavlik fan, but i have to say Pantera is a joke. A guy climbs the ladder the right way beats everyone that puts in front of him by KO and then gets off the deck to dethrone the undefeated world recognized middleweight champion. He represents the ideal process of earning and obtaining a belt. Yet the way so called fans like you question his ability or credentials is an absolute joke. Does he have flaws? Absolutely all fighters do!! Will he eventually lose? Probably all fighters do!! You would be siging a different tune if he didnt beat your favorite fighter.

What a fantastic post.

[PolishPummler]

You see, at 210lbs Miranda is not fat. He is just freakin huge. To get down to 160lbs he had to burn muscle. That is what killed him.

Look at his weigh in pictures for his last fight at 170.5lbs, the boy is freakin ripped. Where the hell did the other 10.5lbs come from???

You put Miranda next to Pavlik at 200lbs and I bet Pavlik has a beer belly and Miranda is sporting Abs.

You always make excuses over his weight but are blind to the fact that while he has POP he lacks all around skill.

[liljp361]

Your Obviously a Pavlik hater and Miranda nuthugger...

I happen to think both of them are very good fighters tho...

[JETSKI]

Im not even a big Pavlik fan, but i have to say Pantera is a joke. A guy climbs the ladder the right way beats everyone that puts in front of him by KO and then gets off the deck to dethrone the undefeated world recognized middleweight champion. He represents the ideal process of earning and obtaining a belt. Yet the way so called fans like you question his ability or credentials is an absolute joke. Does he have flaws? Absolutely all fighters do!! Will he eventually lose? Probably all fighters do!! You would be siging a different tune if he didnt beat your favorite fighter.

Give the man a Ph. D. in the Sweet Sciences!:good

[Hrak]

Your a fuckin joke Pantera. Im honestly beginning to think Miranda is paying you to advertise him on boxing forums because theres no way in hell someone would stoop so low for free.

[dave82]

I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranmuch better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is da is able to stop him.

You say kelly deserves credit however in the 2nd paragraph you give him none whatsoever. :patsch

[Pantera2000]

You say kelly deserves credit however in the 2nd paragraph you give him none whatsoever. :patsch

He proved many people wrong. I would have thought a 50-75% Miranda beats Pavlik and JT beats him too. So, yes he get credit. But people on this board are thinking he can now beat the greats of Calzaghe or Hopkins and I say that is nuts!

[liljp361]

He proved many people wrong. I would have though a 50-75% Miranda beats Pavlik and JT beats him too. So, yes he get credit. But people on this board are thinking he can now beat the greats of Calzaghe or Hopkins and I say that is nuts!

I actually dont think he can beat Calzaghe but he could perhaps beat Hopkins considering theyre both conventional...

However I rate him high on my P4P for the fact of his last 2 quality wins.. over the middlweight champ JT and over your man Miranda. I think Mirandas pretty good if you ask me..which is why I rated Pavlik high based on the quality of opposition he knocked out

[psychopath]

I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look much better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranda is able to stop him.


I'll say this again brotha . . . if you will just remove Miranda's dick out of your mouth maybe other posters here will give you some credibility . . . respect and maybe believe you. :lol:

Until then . . . you cannot complain about Pavlik being over rated because the guy earned his respect inside the ring . . . he is still undefeated. :D

[Beebs]

You put Miranda next to Pavlik at 200lbs and I bet Pavlik has a beer belly and Miranda is sporting Abs.

I'm sure his abs will look fantastic while he is laying unconscious.

[cardstars]

I'm sure his abs will look fantastic while he is laying unconscious.

:lol:

I am a fan of both fighters. Pavlik just so happens to be a "Miranda-type" fighters worst nightmare. Power, stamina, good chin, and is always coming forward = a horrible night for Miranda. I don't think anyone on this board is calling Pavlik the best thing since sliced bread, so calm down. He does, however, deserve his respect as he has pretty much knocked out everyone in his path on the way to being undisputed middleweight champion.

[Toopretty]

No he is not. Calsloppy is...

[Dantes]

Seriously, the proof is in Miranda and Taylor taking naps in the ring.

Coulda woulda shoulda means fuck all, Pavlik did the deed, no rating needed, just watch reality.

:good

[Circa]

miranda is much more overrated than kelly. miranda just talk too much. talking shit about his urgency in fighting Taylor but KTFO in his fight.

enough with those bullshit excuses miranda just cant backup his words in the ring.

yeah he looks good with his KOs with average fighters but who hell cares? and whats the point? still kelly will ko him if they meet again.

[TheGrimReaper]

obviously someone who kelly knocked the fuck out is going to say hes over rated the man is undefeated he knocked you out he knocked out jermain taylor who beat the legend bernard hopkins twice give this man respect he is the champion of the world

[valdosta]

I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look much better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranda is able to stop him.

No excuses. You and I went back and forth on another site talking shit. At NO TIME did you talk about Miranda killing himself to make weight blah,blah,blah. In fact, pavlik don't exactly make weight easily either.

Pavlik is much more skilled than Miranda, no slower, power is similiar, and chins are probably pretty equal. In the end pavlik is able to walk Miranda down,make him uncomforable and beat his ass. That is the story of the 2 fighters.

[valdosta]

Rankings:
Zuniga - 15
McKart - 68
Zertuche -51

Not too hard to beat the bottom two. I give him credit for Zuniga though.

You see Zertuch and Zuniga's 2 fights? They are basically equal and both decisions were controversial. McKart wasn't much when Pavlik beat him but he was still the first guy to stop all of the above.

[booradley]

Pantera -- when you mention ratings of fighters Kelly beat your looking at ratings AFTER Pavlik fucking ruined them. Pavlik's last 6 opponents had a total of 163 fights with 116 knockouts. 4 had never been stopped, 1 was the undefeated and universally recognized world middleweight champion, one was a 2 time world titlist and went on after the Pavlik fight to win the NABF title, 1 had the NABF title until Kelly ripped it away from him. One was a guy so fucking tough you could rip his arms off and he'd fight ya with his fucking teeth! THEY ALL GOT PAVLIKATED in 9 rounds OR LESS! The last guy to actually go the distance with Kelly lost an 8 round UD, and never fought again!

NUFF SAID,
Boo

:deal

[valdosta]

But people on this board are thinking he can now beat the greats of Calzaghe or Hopkins and I say that is nuts!

before Pavlik beat Miranda's ass you had said similiar stuff with Miranda (in regards to Hopkins). So considering Pavlik destroyed Miranda what's the big deal? people like you told me Pavlik would lose because he hadn't fought the kind of competition that miranda had. It's not the first time you was wrong and it won't be the last I am sure. :good

[maracho]

Tomato cans in Fulgencio Zuniga? Bronco McKart? Jose Luis Zertuche? And he beat the number one middleweight in the world? Yeah dude, totally overrated.

:yep Exactly and all within a couple of years I think

[RealIzm]

:lol:

I am a fan of both fighters. Pavlik just so happens to be a "Miranda-type" fighters worst nightmare.He is everyones worst nightmare...Only someone who is a master at what Kelly does(offensive pressure) or a Master slickster has a CHANCE.. and only a chance..and theirs nobody out there right now at 160 or 168 and yes that means Calzaghe too.. Calzaghe is awkward but so is a fighter like Darchinyan...easily vulnerable...Joe is hardly a master at either brawling or boxing..he's just awkward and feather fisted..Pavlik would beat him down while clowning and sticking his tounge out:lol:

[booradley]

He is everyones worst nightmare...Only someone who is a master at what Kelly does(offensive pressure) or a Master slickster has a CHANCE.. and only a chance..and theirs nobody out there right now at 160 or 168 and yes that means Calzaghe too.. Calzaghe is awkward but so is a fighter like Darchinyan...easily vulnerable...Joe is hardly a master at either brawling or boxing..he's just awkward and feather fisted..Pavlik would beat him down while clowning and sticking his tounge out:lol:


Slappy Joe is one of the more over-rated and over-hyped fighters around these days. He'd make 10 or 11 rounds against Pavlik; something no one else has done! It pisses me off that he called Kelly out after the Taylor fight, and then ran down to the nursing home to pick a fight with BHop!:bbb

Boo

[inchpunch]

Slappy Joe is one of the more over-rated and over-hyped fighters around these days. He'd make 10 or 11 rounds against Pavlik; something no one else has done! It pisses me off that he called Kelly out after the Taylor fight, and then ran down to the nursing home to pick a fight with BHop!:bbb

Boo

When I saw this thread, I wanted to speak up for Kelly Pavlik, because he is anything but overrated and has potential to enjoy a truly great career. But to call Joe overrated and a slapper is just plain ignorant. The guy has not lost in his sport in 17 years, beat some really good fighters in Eubank, Reid, Kessler, gave one of the most brutal beatings to an undefeated beltholder ever in Lacy, never had a truly disappointing performance (how many figters in history can claim that?) has beaten every possible style. Kelly Pavlik is a very effctive, mentally and physically tough fighter, but he has yet t prove that he is better then Kessler, they are both good, solid jab - 1-2 boxers with excellent power and stamina. In Kessler's case, that wasn't enough to beat Joe.

[janeschicken]

It's important to remember pavlik was a few proper punches away from being seriously KTFO'ed by taylor, in which case we wouldn't even be discussing Pavlik right now.

[Dorfmeister]

I guess that this thread title is just another out-and-out declaration of war against Pavlik's supporters rather than an enlightening argument for conversation. Any sudden wash of cold reasoning would bring the thread starter to his senses and to displeasing embarrassment as there is no rational basis to rate KP differently from where he is supposed to be - the top position at 160 pounds - he is undefeated at 32-0 with 91% of kayo ratio (29 - twenty one inside three rounds), he knocked out all members of his list of best-level opponents - Jose Luis Zertuche (KO 8 ), Bronco McKart (KO 6), Fulgencio Zuniga (KO 9) and in his two last outings - a WBC eliminator as the WBC nº1 contender against the former WBC nº2 contender - a 7th round TKO over Edison Miranda who went twelve with IBF Champ AA in his only loss up until then, and another 7th round TKO over previously undefeated JT for the WBC and WBO middleweight titles... Otherwise, where should he be ranked? Anywhere below number one would be succintly ludicrous - he is not overrated in the true sense of that word.

[jsimps]

I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look much better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranda is able to stop him.

How many losses does Kelly have? How many losses does Miranda have? Oh wait a minute, he lost to Pavlik!!!!

[vonBanditos]

Miranda had to lose 50lbs to make weight. No way Pavlik was even close. Pavlik is the better boxer. Miranda has more single punch power, Pavlik has more power over continous punches. Miranda has a bigger heart to keep getting abused and not giving up. We dont know how much Kelly could take cause he has never been there. Better chin? Not sure here either. Again, Pavlik got dazed bad by one good punch. Miranda was hurt from being pounded over 7 rounds.

Being the champion does not mean you cant be over rated dipshit! That is the whole point!

I don't understand how he can possibly have been 50 pounds over the weight limit. For almost a year before the Pavlik fight he had been fighting every 2 to 3 months. He must have been in training for nearly the whole time.

[jsimps]

I don't understand how he can possibly have been 50 pounds over the weight limit. For almost a year before the Pavlik fight he had been fighting every 2 to 3 months. He must have been in training for nearly the whole time.

Because it is BS...

[JETSKI]

He is everyones worst nightmare...Only someone who is a master at what Kelly does(offensive pressure) or a Master slickster has a CHANCE.. and only a chance..and theirs nobody out there right now at 160 or 168 and yes that means Calzaghe too.. Calzaghe is awkward but so is a fighter like Darchinyan...easily vulnerable...Joe is hardly a master at either brawling or boxing..he's just awkward and feather fisted..Pavlik would beat him down while clowning and sticking his tounge out:lol:

I agree 100%:good

[Sdt]

Enough of this bullshit, you can not lose 50 pounds of water. You'd be dead. Pavlik just owned Miranda plain and simple. If he weighs 210 pounds of solid muscle why doesn't he fight at cruiserweight or even heavyweight.

[JETSKI]

Slappy Joe is one of the more over-rated and over-hyped fighters around these days. He'd make 10 or 11 rounds against Pavlik; something no one else has done! It pisses me off that he called Kelly out after the Taylor fight, and then ran down to the nursing home to pick a fight with BHop!:bbb

Boo

I agree 200%! Hey Boo, that was a great post by Realism & all this support & accurate analysis of Kelly (past & future destruction of opponents) does my heart good.

Lovin' every minute of it.

Wonder why Pantera didn't respond to my post from page 2?

Maybe he missed it...here it is again:

Pantera2000...its been a long time. You hear what the above Beebs said? It took you long enough to even show your face up around here again after Kelly obliterated your boy, & now after slying slithering back into the fold, you finally got up enough balls to belittle Kelly.

Well, thats pretty low. And I could conclude with saying fuck you & your rat eating hero, but I won't. Because my boy has the belts, & you can only hope that Kelly doesn't smash Miranda's thick skull one more time in the future.

[bxrfan]

Enough of this bullshit, you can not lose 50 pounds of water. You'd be dead. Pavlik just owned Miranda plain and simple. If he weighs 210 pounds of solid muscle why doesn't he fight at cruiserweight or even heavyweight.
:deal

[Shane]

I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look much better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranda is able to stop him. Miranda was owned by the ghost admit it to yourself kelly whips miranda's ass at any weight.

[JETSKI]

Sooooo what are you gonna have to say for yourself after pavlik gets that ass beat this time?

Don't want to even consider it. We'll cross that bridge if & when we come to it. Until then...

(((((((KP by KO)))))))

[MrMagic]

Fulgencio Zuniga
Bronco McKart
Jose Zertuche

Then an eliminator with the ducked, dangerous Edison Miranda.
Then knocking out the world recognized champion in extreme fashion... yes he is overrated :patsch.


Let's see how Edison Miranda did before getting a title shot at a BELT HOLDER in Arthur Abraham:

The only one worth noting is an old Howard Eastman, but still a good journeyman, and the best win for Edison, then he faces Arthur in Germany with a grueling tactic, hitting behind the head, elbowing, headbutting.. literally tears Arthurs jaw into pieces, but fails to stop him.. Arthur fought him off for about 9 rounds with a shattered jaw.

It's funny how you say that Kelly is an overrated fighter, when he's knocked out his best opposition in extremely good fashion, yet your boy Miranda, has failed to knock anyone except Eastman.


This thread is a failure.. Kelly is a proven superstar.

[Shpion]

Keep in mind the thread starter talked shit for months leading up to Pavlik vs Miranda fight and dissapeared for MONTHS after the beating Miranda took.

Pantera you are a grade A pussy for running off like a school girl.

This thread is a joke just like its author. Who is even taking him seriously here???

This piece of shit had been on a suicide watch for several months after Pavlik beat the fucks out of Miranda.

[Sinew]

I don't understand how he can possibly have been 50 pounds over the weight limit. For almost a year before the Pavlik fight he had been fighting every 2 to 3 months. He must have been in training for nearly the whole time.oH SHIT.

[Circa]

and after miranda's ass beat again, this pantera2000 will vanish again in no time just like what he did the last time miranda's ass were all over the canvass.

[Pantera2000]

Why you guys are comparing what Miranda has done I dont get. This thread has nothing to do with Miranda's accomplishments. It all has to do with you dick sucking fans that are putting Pavlik way ahead of where he should be.

If Jermanin Taylor was not a pussy and had anything in him he would have KO'd Kelly in Round 2. That would have been it and the Pavlik hype would have died. Kelly was way behind on points too. So obvousily if it was not for his power and stoppage he cant win on points.

Yes, all that matters is he won the fight and he is the undisputed champ. But that is where is should stop. If Taylor grows some balls, which I think he may, and goes after Kelly than JT wins the fight. Than all you JT dick suckers can come back on the forum and overhype him. But I think he will have deserved it a litte more.

[doublesuited]

As a fan of both Pavlik and Miranda, I have to admit that Pavlik is extremely overrated and the first guy with a good right hand that he faces will knock him out.

[jsimps]

Why you guys are comparing what Miranda has done I dont get. This thread has nothing to do with Miranda's accomplishments. It all has to do with you dick sucking fans that are putting Pavlik way ahead of where he should be.

If Jermanin Taylor was not a pussy and had anything in him he would have KO'd Kelly in Round 2. That would have been it and the Pavlik hype would have died. Kelly was way behind on points too. So obvousily if it was not for his power and stoppage he cant win on points.

Yes, all that matters is he won the fight and he is the undisputed champ. But that is where is should stop. If Taylor grows some balls, which I think he may, and goes after Kelly than JT wins the fight. Than all you JT dick suckers can come back on the forum and overhype him. But I think he will have deserved it a litte more.

:| :| :| Sounds like somebody a little upset.

[Circa]

Why you guys are comparing what Miranda has done I dont get. This thread has nothing to do with Miranda's accomplishments. It all has to do with you dick sucking fans that are putting Pavlik way ahead of where he should be.

If Jermanin Taylor was not a pussy and had anything in him he would have KO'd Kelly in Round 2. That would have been it and the Pavlik hype would have died. Kelly was way behind on points too. So obvousily if it was not for his power and stoppage he cant win on points.

Yes, all that matters is he won the fight and he is the undisputed champ. But that is where is should stop. If Taylor grows some balls, which I think he may, and goes after Kelly than JT wins the fight. Than all you JT dick suckers can come back on the forum and overhype him. But I think he will have deserved it a litte more.

:|:|:|

miranda was much more pussy than JT.

atleast JT had his chances.. but miranda? nah nah :nono he all over the canvass all night long. :tired

[Pantera2000]

At 168lbs Miranda's right hand will do the job.

[Shane]

Why you guys are comparing what Miranda has done I dont get. This thread has nothing to do with Miranda's accomplishments. It all has to do with you dick sucking fans that are putting Pavlik way ahead of where he should be.

If Jermanin Taylor was not a pussy and had anything in him he would have KO'd Kelly in Round 2. That would have been it and the Pavlik hype would have died. Kelly was way behind on points too. So obvousily if it was not for his power and stoppage he cant win on points.

Yes, all that matters is he won the fight and he is the undisputed champ. But that is where is should stop. If Taylor grows some balls, which I think he may, and goes after Kelly than JT wins the fight. Than all you JT dick suckers can come back on the forum and overhype him. But I think he will have deserved it a litte more. Pavlik deserves all the hype he has been receiving he earned it deal with it.

[Circa]

At 168lbs Miranda's right hand will do the job.

against who?? against average fighters?

nah nah..

miranda's 168 lbs freaking ass will do it again at the canvass. :hey

[doublesuited]

At 168lbs Miranda's right hand will do the job.:good

Pavlik doesn't get up from that type of power.

[jsimps]

I like to watch Miranda fight. I think he has awesome power in that right hand, but other than that he is average at best. His last fight, he looked sluggish and slow until the third. Maybe he was trying something different, maybe he trying to work on his defense, either way he didn't look good.

The KO was probably the best I've seen in awhile.

[Pantera2000]

Hey, I am curious as anyone else how Miranda does against the top of the 168lbs division. I am not sold on him either until he DOES get that big win or two. But if he hits Pavlik like he hits Banks, Kelly ain't getting off the canvas.

[PolishPummler]

Hey, I am curious as anyone else how Miranda does against the top of the 168lbs division. I am not sold on him either until he DOES get that big win or two. But if he hits Pavlik like he hits Banks, Kelly ain't getting off the canvas.

Pavlik is no Banks:patsch

Miranda has been wobbled or down everytime he faced a top fighter(Green,Abraham,Eastman and Pavlik)all hurt Miranda.He will be more prone to getting KD'd than Pavlik in a rematch.

[MrMagic]

Hey, I am curious as anyone else how Miranda does against the top of the 168lbs division. I am not sold on him either until he DOES get that big win or two. But if he hits Pavlik like he hits Banks, Kelly ain't getting off the canvas.

Pavlik already got that TWO big wins, you fucking moron:deal

[sthomas]

Why you guys are comparing what Miranda has done I dont get. This thread has nothing to do with Miranda's accomplishments. It all has to do with you dick sucking fans that are putting Pavlik way ahead of where he should be.

If Jermanin Taylor was not a pussy and had anything in him he would have KO'd Kelly in Round 2. That would have been it and the Pavlik hype would have died. Kelly was way behind on points too. So obvousily if it was not for his power and stoppage he cant win on points.

Yes, all that matters is he won the fight and he is the undisputed champ. But that is where is should stop. If Taylor grows some balls, which I think he may, and goes after Kelly than JT wins the fight. Than all you JT dick suckers can come back on the forum and overhype him. But I think he will have deserved it a litte more.

Unless his stamina improves greatly by moving up in weight, Taylors best chance is to go after Pav. smartly, and get a stoppage round 5 or before. Unfortunatly for Taylor, he's not shown the ability to be able to think very well in the ring when he's under pressure, and he has stamina issues. Plus he has that brutal KO lingering in the back of his head. Pavlik has those two qualities which Taylor lacks: Great stamina, and the ability to think well in the ring. I see Pavlik defending himself better in fight #II and bulldozing his way to another stoppage.

Also, I really don't see Pavlik being hailed by many as the next super great fighter, but people are, and should be impressed with what he's accomplished in the last year. Pavlik is still improving, and that's what's got people excited. If he keeps working on his defense, and I expect him to get much better in this department, he will be around a good long time as a champ. If his defensive development doesn't happen, then I agree with the critics, he'll eventually get beat by talented boxer by decision or one with skills and power by KO/TKO. Pavliks a bright guy and although he's got a good chin he must realize that it's not Haglaresque and he won't last the way Haglar did unless he shores up his defense

[Pantera2000]

Unless his stamina improves greatly by moving up in weight, Taylors best chance is to go after Pav. smartly, and get a stoppage round 5 or before. Unfortunatly for Taylor, he's not shown the ability to be able to think very well in the ring when he's under pressure, and he has stamina issues. Plus he has that brutal KO lingering in the back of his head. Pavlik has those two qualities which Taylor lacks: Great stamina, and the ability to think well in the ring. I see Pavlik defending himself better in fight #II and bulldozing his way to another stoppage.

Also, I really don't see Pavlik being hailed by many as the next super great fighter, but people are, and should be impressed with what he's accomplished in the last year. Pavlik is still improving, and that's what's got people excited. If he keeps working on his defense, and I expect him to get much better in this department, he will be around a good long time as a champ. If his defensive development doesn't happen, then I agree with the critics, he'll eventually get beat by talented boxer by decision or one with skills and power by KO/TKO. Pavliks a bright guy and although he's got a good chin he must realize that it's not Haglaresque and he won't last the way Haglar did unless he shores up his defense

Wow! There is someone with a brain on this website?
I thought everyone was just a blabbering idiot.

Good post.

[kirk]

:good

Pavlik doesn't get up from that type of power.

everyone knows that besieds pantera2000, im one of mirandas biggest fans on here and have been so for awhile...

but miranda hardly even WOBBLED KP.... and when they fight again 1 division up all of a sudden KP wouldnt get up once hit?

:huh

[Pantera2000]

everyone knows that besieds pantera2000, im one of mirandas biggest fans on here and have been so for awhile...

but miranda hardly even WOBBLED KP.... and when they fight again 1 division up all of a sudden KP wouldnt get up once hit?



Do you ever wonder why Miranda didnt wobble KP, yet Taylor, who has less power, put him on queer street? :huh

[Pantera2000]

I guess KOing the MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION of the World isn't a big win??!?!?!?:patsch :lol:

You're obviously sold on a chump that got KO'd by the guy you're not sold on??!?!?!?!?

:lol: :rofl :lol: :nut

Jackass I am telling you I am not sold on Miranda yet at 168lbs, you dumb fuck! :patsch
And like I said above, another blabbering idiot!

[Pantera2000]

Hey asshole, no need for the insults!

Learn to read before you reply and I will stop the insults.

[Sinew]

Do you ever wonder why Miranda didnt wobble KP, yet Taylor, who has less power, put him on queer street? :huh

:blood
What is there to wonder? Kelly dropped his guard and gave Taylor the free shot ...He just about stuck out his tongue at Taylor in the process.

And another thing is Taylor has less concussive power , sure but his speed , accuracy and form can go alot farther than brutish power.
Or should I say it has gotten him farther. Remember Taylor won his emiminators to get to the gold. Miranda got ko'd in his elimator.

[bigtime-skills]

Man, shut the fuck up, Pavlik is just as big or bigger than Miranda and had to cut just as much or more weight. Hes a better boxer, has more power, more heart, and a better chin, and is the undisputed champion of the world. How the fuck can he be overrated?


:rofl :yep :lol: :good

[Keihule]

I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look much better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranda is able to stop him.


Your just pissed that Miranda is still under the shadow of the ass whooping Pavlik put on him.

If you think Miranda and Taylor are Tomato cans then something else is the matter with you.

Besides, his resume is better than your Boy Miranda's.

Miranda:

Abraham L
Green KO

Pavlik:
Zuinga KO
McKart KO
Zertuche KO
Miranda KO
Taylor KO


The numbers speak for themself! How can you guys keep making stupid threads like these!??! Kelly is the champ, get over it!!

[MrMagic]

Learn to read before you reply and I will stop the insults.
That's exactly what we were writing, you fuckwit....
Or do you want me to quote you again?

Why did Pavlik take Mirandas shots but not Taylors?
Why did George Foreman take Joe Fraziers shots but not Jimmie Young? :deal

Sometimes you need more than raw power to knock someone out, learn boxing before you state something like that again, you must be stupid :hi:

[Ramshall1]

Pav was the first and only fighter to stop Miranda and Taylor. . . he's a helluva fighter and is damn good for the sport.

Pav haters are sad excuses for boxing fans.

[RealIzm]

I guess people won't believe in Pavlik until he KOs top contenders and champions on a weekly basis....fucking disgrace you haters are

[sthomas]

Wow! There is someone with a brain on this website?
I thought everyone was just a blabbering idiot.

Good post.

Thank you Pantera.

[Antwuan Maxx]

Why you guys are comparing what Miranda has done I dont get. This thread has nothing to do with Miranda's accomplishments. It all has to do with you dick sucking fans that are putting Pavlik way ahead of where he should be.

If Jermanin Taylor was not a pussy and had anything in him he would have KO'd Kelly in Round 2. That would have been it and the Pavlik hype would have died. Kelly was way behind on points too. So obvousily if it was not for his power and stoppage he cant win on points.

Yes, all that matters is he won the fight and he is the undisputed champ. But that is where is should stop. If Taylor grows some balls, which I think he may, and goes after Kelly than JT wins the fight. Than all you JT dick suckers can come back on the forum and overhype him. But I think he will have deserved it a litte more.
:lol: @ all of this "dick sucking fan" bs coming from you of all people. A poster who only follows one fighter in particular, making countless posts about him on various message boards under different aliases. Who then disappears for months after his fighter is brutally KTFO, in a fight you predicted to be a mismatch. Yeah..it was a mismatch alright...but not exactly the way you called it, huh? All of this weight drain bs is funny. I wish I could dig up the post from the day of the weigh-in where you said it Miranda having to cut extra pounds wasn't a big deal. Now you on some he had to lose 50 pounds bs. Please. And if Pavlik is overrated, what does that make Miranda?

[Pantera2000]

Because Miranda can't fight too well off the back foot and cannot generate as much power that way.

Perfect gameplan executed by The Ghost

Could be... but Edison did hit Kelly flush a few times in the middle of the ring with no effect. I gotta say there was more to it.

[Ethan Trims]

Because Miranda can't fight too well off the back foot and cannot generate as much power that way.

Perfect gameplan executed by The Ghost

that and also jermaine may not hit as hard with a single punch as miranda but he has fast flurries that are stylistically worse for a fighter like pavlik.

Kelly wasnt hit with one punch by jermaine that cause him to fall to his knees, he was hit about 5 or ten punches. He got overwhelmed for a moment by the shorter armed, faster fighter.

[Beebs]

Kelly was way behind on points too. So obvousily if it was not for his power and stoppage he cant win on points.


Wow not only are you a complete fucking idiot, you cant even fucking count.

[sthomas]

Because Miranda can't fight too well off the back foot and cannot generate as much power that way.

Perfect gameplan executed by The Ghost


That's the right answer, and Taylor ripped Pav. with a great combo. Combo's like that put away 90% of the competition.

[iceman]

I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look much better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranda is able to stop him.


You are pathetic!
Pavlik beats your boy easily and you disappeared for months.Now Miranda has KOed a C-level boxer and your back again this time calling KP the most overrated.I think Miranda will be stronger at 168 but he won't be a better boxer.At 168 Pavlik destroys Miranda again:deal

[Pantera2000]

Wow not only are you a complete fucking idiot, you cant even fucking count.

I didnt make the scorecards up, jackass, that would be the judges. :patsch

[Keihule]

I dont know which fight you were watching if you had Miranda ahead of Pavlik on points when he was KO'ed.

[Alcaldemb]

You see, at 210lbs Miranda is not fat. He is just freakin huge. To get down to 160lbs he had to burn muscle. That is what killed him.

Look at his weigh in pictures for his last fight at 170.5lbs, the boy is freakin ripped. Where the hell did the other 10.5lbs come from???

You put Miranda next to Pavlik at 200lbs and I bet Pavlik has a beer belly and Miranda is sporting Abs.

I don't know at 178 I am more ripped than your boy is at 170, so to be perfectly honest I didn't find this physique you talk about as being all that impressive. I think we all know you work for team Pantera, you're probably that guy with the stupid hair and fake tan, but regardless of who you are you are a grade A jack ass.

You want to belittle Kelly? Kelly is taller and broader than Miranda, he is naturally bigger, and being ripped doesn't make you big. The true measure of how big Kelly is comes down to his combination of height and how broad his back and shoulders are, ie large frame, which was clearly bigger than Edison's.

I just want to talk about you now though. You come on here insulting other posters, insulting fighters and you have the nerve to call yourself a boxing fan? You were run out of another web site, Panterico, for being a douche and you should be run out of here too. You have done more to make people dislike Edison than anyone else with your piss poor attitude. Now fuck off.

[Alcaldemb]

:lol: @ all of this "dick sucking fan" bs coming from you of all people. A poster who only follows one fighter in particular, making countless posts about him on various message boards under different aliases. Who then disappears for months after his fighter is brutally KTFO, in a fight you predicted to be a mismatch. Yeah..it was a mismatch alright...but not exactly the way you called it, huh? All of this weight drain bs is funny. I wish I could dig up the post from the day of the weigh-in where you said it Miranda having to cut extra pounds wasn't a big deal. Now you on some he had to lose 50 pounds bs. Please. And if Pavlik is overrated, what does that make Miranda?

An overhyped bum? :lol:

You nailed it though, and I am glad I am not the only that noticed that this jackass appears on multiple forums spouting the same nonsense over and over again.

He is easily one of the most classless posters I have ever seen, launching into insults as quickly as he can and denigrate fighters. Pantera2000/Panterico is truly a disgusting poster and should be banned for being such a total POS.

[TamaTonga]

cant wait for round 2 this is gonna be a sweet fight may the best man win

[Mindspring]

He didn't look that bad last time. this thread is b.s.

[mikeyc]

I didnt make the scorecards up, jackass, that would be the judges. :patsch
Don't even waste your time with this idiot. He was embarassed once on here and now to show up after Pavlik KO's the undisputed Middleweight Champ and talks shit- What Nerve! Miranda will always look good without his shirt on, but to my knowledge that's never won anyone a fight??? WAR PAVLIK!! KO 6. See Ya In VEGAS!!!

[valdosta]

Do you ever wonder why Miranda didnt wobble KP, yet Taylor, who has less power, put him on queer street? :huh

Not really, there's a huge speed difference between Miranda and Taylor.

[lemuelskee]

I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look much better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranda is able to stop him.

coming from a miranda nutlicker.
:rofl :rofl :rofl

[RafaelGonzal]

I suggest you go ask Miranda and Taylor the same question.

[McManama]

Do you guys think Pavlik will ever fight Calzaghe? I pray that one day Pavlik gets a shot at him. It would answer alot of questions.

[conditioner101]

Miranda had to lose 50lbs to make weight. No way Pavlik was even close. Pavlik is the better boxer. Miranda has more single punch power, Pavlik has more power over continous punches. Miranda has a bigger heart to keep getting abused and not giving up. We dont know how much Kelly could take cause he has never been there. Better chin? Not sure here either. Again, Pavlik got dazed bad by one good punch. Miranda was hurt from being pounded over 7 rounds.

Being the champion does not mean you cant be over rated dipshit! That is the whole point!

You are a tool. I just read your "miranda had to lose 50 lbs bullshit! HA HA HA LOL What a bunch of bull shit. Let me get this str8. Miranda fights Allan Green March 3rd 2007 and then Pavlik may 19th 2007. So what your saying that in that 2 month period Miranda went up to 210 pounds and then dropped back to 160 pounds?:nut :think :rofl :? :nono :yikes Ok there is your first stupid point blown to shreds. Now lets discuss chin. Miranda... floored by one left hook by an Alan Green that was suffering from a life threatening illnes that require surgery and the removal of a majority of his large instestine. KOed in a heap by Pavlik.
Pavlik... Took all Mirandas shots with hardly a flinch. Ate a succession of punches (17-18 straight) nbefore finally falling, and then gets up to walk down Taylor and win the rest of the round. I'd call you an idiot but that would be an insult to the word idiot!

[Farmboxer]

Pavlik is for real. Rumors have it that Calzaghe/Mayweather fight is being considered. Calzaghe by knockout!!!

[MrMagic]

You are a tool. I just read your "miranda had to lose 50 lbs bullshit! HA HA HA LOL What a bunch of bull shit. Let me get this str8. Miranda fights Allan Green March 3rd 2007 and then Pavlik may 19th 2007. So what your saying that in that 2 month period Miranda went up to 210 pounds and then dropped back to 160 pounds?:nut :think :rofl :? :nono :yikes Ok there is your first stupid point blown to shreds. Now lets discuss chin. Miranda... floored by one left hook by an Alan Green that was suffering from a life threatening illnes that require surgery and the removal of a majority of his large instestine. KOed in a heap by Pavlik.
Pavlik... Took all Mirandas shots with hardly a flinch. Ate a succession of punches (17-18 straight) nbefore finally falling, and then gets up to walk down Taylor and win the rest of the round. I'd call you an idiot but that would be an insult to the word idiot!

That sums it up, close the god damn thread :happy:thumbsup

[Farmboxer]

Pavlik has balls the size of church bells!!! Punches like a mule kicks.

[Boom_Boom]

I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look much better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranda is able to stop him.

anyone remembered when Pantera totally dissappeared from every boxing forum out there for like 5 months after the raping Pavlik gave to Miranda.

*sigh* those were the good ole day

[Caliboxing]

Pavlik is for real. Rumors have it that Calzaghe/Mayweather fight is being considered. Calzaghe by knockout!!!


Where did you hear that?

[Farmboxer]

From some other fans, but nothing is certain yet, money will be right after Calzaghe beats Hopkins, and not sure if Maweather will beat Oscar, althouth he owns the judges and ref.

[MrMagic]

From some other fans, but nothing is certain yet, money will be right after Calzaghe beats Hopkins, and not sure if Maweather will beat Oscar, althouth he owns the judges and ref.

:rofl

[1punch1nder]

i like miranda but it's his fans that i can't stomach.

:think
sounds familiar.