Your Scorecard for Hagler-Leonard

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Yes it's time to re-visit the most over debated decision ever.

Your card, please.

[JCS]

Leonard 116-112

[4Rounder]

Sugar Ray 115-113

[jaffay]

Marvin Hagler - Ray Leonard

1. 9-10
2. 9-10
3. 10-9
4. 9-10
5. 9-10
6. 10-9
7. 10-9
8. 10-9
9. 10-9
10. 9-10
11. 9-10
12. 10-9

114-114

official scores - 115:113, 110-118 (!), 113:115 - SD12 Leonard

[Thread Stealer]

I watched it again and this time had it even.

[KOTF]

Wife beater 115-113 The Brockton Blockbuster

[Tommy O C]

10-9 Leonard
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Leonard
115-113 Leonard

Just scored this the other week for a thread on the brit forum. that was my card

[HEADBANGER]

hagler v leonard

9 1 10
9 2 10
9 3 10
9 4 10
10 5 9
10 6 9
10 7 9
10 8 9
9 10 10
10 10 9
9 11 10
9 12 10


113-115 leonard

i understand that round 9 and 12 causes arguments, i thought leonard won both rounds for his flashy bursts over marvins steady grind.

[eze]

My dad was huge Leonard fan at the time this fight happened and he said it was one of the reasons he stopped watching boxing. Despite being a huge fan of Leonard he believes he clearly lost the fight. He said it was close but Hagler clearly won. I think he had Hagler by 2points

[assasin]

115 - 113 leonard

i can't believe i still remember my score card for this fight.

[booradley]

10-9 Leonard
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Leonard
115-113 Leonard

Just scored this the other week for a thread on the brit forum. that was my card

Tommy has a fine card right here. Marvin screwed the pooch with a poor fight plan, and it was not the first time.

[sugarsean]

My Scorecard

Leonard - Hagler
1. 10 - 9
2. 10 - 9
3. 9 - 10
4. 10 - 9
5. 9 - 10
6. 10 - 10
7. 9 - 10
8. 9 - 10
9. 10 - 9
10. 10 - 9
11. 10 - 9
12. 10 - 9

Total 116 - 113 - Sugar Ray Leonard

[Solntse]

I scored it 115-113 for Hagler. A flurry in the last 30 seconds is not enough to win the round.

[sugarsean]

Here's my Father's ( who Hagler is his favourite fighter, and has never forgiven Leonard for the way he tricked Marvin at his first retirement annoucement, but he always gives Leonard credit for being a fabulous fighter) scorecard

My Fathers Scorecard

Leonard - Hagler
1. 10 - 9
2. 10 - 9
3. 9 - 10
4. 10 - 9
5. 9 - 10
6. 10 - 10
7. 9 - 10
8. 9 - 10
9. 9 - 10
10. 10 - 10
11. 10 - 9
12. 10 - 9

Total 115 - 115 - Draw

My Father believes that the fight should of happened in 82 and that Hagler would of won

[guru059]

. A flurry in the last 30 seconds is not enough to win the round.


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[dave82]

I had it 114-113 Leonard

[Thread Stealer]

I had it 114-113 Leonard

What round did you score 10-8?

[sugarsean]

I scored it 115-113 for Hagler. A flurry in the last 30 seconds is not enough to win the round.

but thats not true for every round, yes their were some rounds where Leonard try to steal with 30 second flurry, but their were numerous rounds where Leonard stood his ground and fought right of the ropes and really took some hard shots but fought back great,

so I believe that a is very exaggerated statement, if you watch the fight in full.

[lufcrazy]

i scored it a draw me, cant remember my exact card, but i know i scored 2 even rounds, one of which was the twelth.

[hussleman]

I gave the 12 to Hagler. The fight could have went either way.

[klion22]

Watched the fight today. I had Leonard winning 7-5. I thought close but CLEAR. Hagler looked pretty bad in this fight, very slow. Leonard wasn't just pitter patting. He was landing hard shots.

[Shogun Assassin]

115-113 Hagler

[Zakman]

I scored it 115-113 for Hagler. A flurry in the last 30 seconds is not enough to win the round.

Exactly. I forget my exact score, but I had Hagler winning clearly.

[MrPR]

I have not had a chance to see this fight yet.

Is it a action packed fight ?

[klion22]

I have not had a chance to see this fight yet.

Is it a action packed fight ?

No it isn't. Leonard does a lot of moving, seldom settling down to exchange. But he does do it in spurts. It's just Hagler trying to walk Leonard down but not quite being able to do it because Leonard is too quick and Hagler seems slowed down. Leonard picked his spots well. Hagler got in some good shots. Not a barn burner but still one of the most significant fights in boxing history.

[klion22]

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I actually watched the fight on this link. It doesn't just show the fight but sets you up for the fight. I think this was the official VHS video that came out for this fight.

[MrPR]

No it isn't. Leonard does a lot of moving, seldom settling down to exchange. But he does do it in spurts. It's just Hagler trying to walk Leonard down but not quite being able to do it because Leonard is too quick and Hagler seems slowed down. Leonard picked his spots well. Hagler got in some good shots. Not a barn burner but still one of the most significant fights in boxing history.

Its funny,everytime i hear someone talk about this fight,they say Hagler was badly ROBBED.

Yet just about everyone in here says Leonard won the fight Clearly.

[klion22]

Its funny,everytime i hear someone talk about this fight,they say Hagler was badly ROBBED.

Yet just about everyone in here says Leonard won the fight Clearly.

It's because they only saw the HBO Legendary Nights where they give the perception that Leonard was just running and pitter patting with 30 seconds left to steal rounds. That's just not true. And of course, Hagler always saids he was robbed.

[ripcity]

I don't have a scorcard but I recall scoring it within the past 5 years Leonard 115-113.

[Tonifranz]

Leonard 115-113

[FJAY360]

Hagler 115-113, Listen for the 30!! being shouted by Leonard's cornermen, he knew he could steal rounds. Although I don't blame the judges on the night for being wow'd by flashy combinations and forgetting what happened in the first 2.30 into the round, it's hard for me to understand how people still score it for Leonard even though they can watch it back as many times as they would like.

[FJAY360]

Total Punches Hagler Leonard
Landed 291 301
Thrown 792 629
Pct. 37% 49%

Scorecards from the ringside press:

AP: 117-112 Hagler
New York Daily News: 117-111 Leonard
New York Times: 114-114
New York Post: 114-114
Newsday: 115-114 Hagler
Chicago Sun-Times: 115-114 Hagler
Chicago Tribune: 7-5 in rounds Hagler
Houston Chronicle: 115-114 Leonard
Washington Post: 114-114
Boston Globe: 117-111 Leonard
Boston Herald 116-113 Leonard
Baltimore Sun: 7-5 in rounds Leonard
Oakland Tribune: 117-112 Leonard
San Jose Mercury-News: 116-115 Hagler

[tim851]

Leonard via 115:113 or 116:112, I don't remember.

Hagler looked foolish, amateurish for stretches, the way he just slowly stalked Leonard and never changed things up. He didn't cut off the ring well and even when Leonard set to throw punches, which became a very predictable pattern, he was rarely able to throw with him and land good shots. Leonard won most exchanges.

I think it was the ring generalship that Sugar Ray exuded by making Hagler plod after him and the very non-effective aggressiveness of Hagler, that decided the scorecards.

[konaman]

I've scored it a draw and most recently a point to Leonard.

A flurry with lots of clean punches landing isn't less effective because you label it a flurry. People who call it a robbery should be taken out the back and shot.

[FJAY360]

It also suprises me that people give Leonard the 9th, Hagler clearly won that round -

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6.50 round 9 starts

[Silver]

the reason you here talk about robbery is cause people always have a an agenda. the one judge who had 118-110 was an asshole, but the other scorecards were fair, it was a close fight then leonard deserve to win. and hagler has himself to blame for that crap he pulled in the early rounds.

[techks]

I scored the fight for Leonard 115-113 the first time and a draw the second time I scored it as I only scored it twice. I'll be honest, Hagler is one of my 4 favorite fighters but he gave a few rounds away and neither man won this fight clearly. It's not as "clear" for Leonard as some may think as either man has a case for winning this fight. I'm a fan of Leonard too but Leonard himself didn't do enough to win clearly. As far as famous close fights go, this is a pain to score as are Mccallum-Toney 1, Marquez-Barrera, Holyfield-Qawi 1, Morales-Barrera 1-2, and Pacquiao-Marquez 1 for instance.

[anarci]

Ok the first time i saw this i had Leonard taking a clear decision, believe i had him winning by 3 or 4 points.... I couldnt understand all the controversy... I thought welll maybe since i was watching with a lot of impressionable young viewers(i was a teen at the time) and thought hagler was gonna crush him.. That i just got caught up in the moment (as well as shocked) that i was a little to nice to Leonard, and fooled by his showmanship............. So the next time i remember me and my Dad watched the tape with the volume off and we both scored it a draw. I was suprised how differently i scored the fight, but im sure watching more carefully, with the sound off, and with a very knowledgeabe boxing guy(my dad),. That this had something to do with my much different scorecard.... Although i was already a knowledgeable hard core fan i dont thnk i was as keen as scoring fights as i am now, now i am much better at scoring fights and not be influenced by the announcers or other viewers.... So i voted draw 114-114... But i havent watched it in years and would be intrested on how i score it now????


Watching it the 2nd time i noticed that Hagler outworked him as was pushing the fight but still not landing any really big shots,,,,,,,,, Leonard seemed to land the much cleaner and flashier shots but didnt really do most of his work until the end of the rounds. Which fooled alot of people(including me the first time).

My prediction before this fight was Hagler by mid round kos... Hagler was considered the consensus pfp number 1 fighter and Leonard had been laid off for a long time, and his last fight he was dropped and troubled by fringe contender Kevin Howard before surging backfor a stoppage win... I didnt think he stood much of a chance against hagler who i thought wasa monster and would stalk Leonard down... Although i ended up scoring it a draw.. I thought this was a great win for Leonard and it seemed like he won. Even though my card said different (if that makes sense?)

[Kalasinn]

Kalasinn's Scorecard:

Leonard 10-9
Leonard 10-9
Leonard 10-9
Leonard 10-9
Hagler 10-9
Hagler 10-9
Hagler 10-9
Hagler 10-9
Hagler 10-9
Hagler 10-9
Leonard 10-9
Leonard 10-9

Total: 114-114 DRAW.