Is there anyone that poses a threat to Fedor?

[Shpion]

After watching Fedor taking apart everybody he faces time and time again, I have a question. Is there anybody in Pride or UFC that poses a real threat to him?

[Dostoevsky]

Sergei Kharitonov

He has a good ground game,is a sambo practitioner and he is a very very good boxer,very hard hitter,pin point accuracy.
Very athletic and good stamina.

I personally thought he won his fight with Nogueira,he outstruck big nog in the stand up and was normally on top during the ground game. I'm not sure why he lost that fight,perhaps because nog had more takedowns?

His fight with Overeem,was fair and square he just got beat.

Now his fight with Aleksander......hmmm.......Sergei was dominating all aspects of the fight till ge got stopped,he had better accuracy was faster seemed the harder puncher,Aleksander was always backing away on the defensive. Sergei got caught with a great punch and then it was all over due to some vicious knees.

Don't think the fight with aleksander is an indication of how a fight with fedor would go......Aleks is 6 inches taller than his brother, has a longer reach,is a harder puncher,
Aleks is taller than sergei while fedor would be significantly shorter than sergei.

I think fedor would have great trouble getting on the inside of Sergei due to sergei's great technical boxing skills,also fedor has never fought anyone in MMA who was a sambo fighter themselves.

It would be an interesting fight.

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[boxingcar]

EVERYONE...in this sport , everyone does when you think about it.
And fedor's major weakness are cuts too...

He should've lost his latest fight vs Lindland...That one shoulda been a huge upset too but it didn't happened because Fedor finished that guy in about 2 or 3 minutes... But Fed was bleeding a lot in that fight...The ref could've stopped it at anytime.

[jimmie]

Randy Couture actually. Boxingcar pointed out Fedors weakness is cuts and hes right. Randy can get a takedown no doubt in my mind and all he needs is 3-4 short elbows and he can win on cuts.

[Shpion]

EVERYONE...in this sport , everyone does when you think about it.
And fedor's major weakness are cuts too...

He should've lost his latest fight vs Lindland...That one shoulda been a huge upset too but it didn't happened because Fedor finished that guy in about 2 or 3 minutes... But Fed was bleeding a lot in that fight...The ref could've stopped it at anytime.

And that the exact problem with cuts in MMA and Boxing. IMO the only time the fight should be stopped is when a fighter that is cut clearly being dominated but if he is winning the fight I don't care if he is blind, deaf and on a wheal-chair, let him continue and be victorious.

[Shpion]

Nah man, Sergei's been done for a while now and is ony getting worse. At one point when he was roiding up in Pride maybe, but no longer.

I still say Cro Cop.

But Fedor beat him in his own game?

[Shpion]

Fedor beat himbecause Cro Cop was trying to avoid the takedown the entire fight which is why he was so hesitant on the feet. He ddi way more damage even with the lesser amount of shots he landed on the feet. Nah Fedor didn;'t beat him at his own game, he was looking to take the fight to the ground every time. In a rematch, if Cro Cop came in his best, like he did for the 2006 OWGP, he could beat Fedor by being more of an attacker and possibly KO'ing him.

I saw it differently. Fedor did take CroCop down but did not commit on the ground.

[boxingcar]

crocop would've owned fedor under K1 rules..but this is mma and anything can happen...takedowns and subs are involved...slams , elbows , soccer kicks...

you can't compare it to kickboxing or boxing...

there's no ref to separate the fighters during the clinch...

[Dostoevsky]

Nah man, Sergei's been done for a while now and is ony getting worse. At one point when he was roiding up in Pride maybe, but no longer.

I still say Cro Cop.

Are we talking about the same fighter? :lol:
Sergei, done? He's only 26 for christs sake! he had two bad losses back to back but he just won his last fight and is still very dangerous.

And theres no way he was on roids! He certainly doesn't look it and theres no evidence to suggest he was.

I agree with your CC view,if the OWGP CC turns up he can beat anyone but don't forget Fedor did out strike him on the stand up.

fedor was very smart in that fight,Be very aggressive so not to allow CC to set his feet,circle to the left and bull CC around the ring.

Fedor is a master tactitian.

[Shpion]

crocop would've owned fedor under K1 rules..but this is mma and anything can happen...takedowns and subs are involved...slams , elbows , soccer kicks...

you can't compare it to kickboxing or boxing...

there's no ref to separate the fighters during the clinch...

Who was comparing it to kickboxong or boxing?

[ufoalf]

CC got dominated except few moments. He was at his best when he fought Fedor and he said it himself he had no excuses as to why he lost "unlike" his other loses. He will lose second time as well as he lost the first time.

Though i think there are always danger in MMA and all strikers will have a chance to get a hit in and finish him. I still say that Couture/Gonzaga might be able to take Fedor down and rain elbows on him and cut/finish him.

[Smith]

I personally think there are only 2 people that realistically would have a slight chance of beating him, a rematch with Cro-Cop(he's suited to his game) & Barnett. I think the barnett fight would go similar to the Nog fights. Despite the uncertainty in mma, i just don't think anyone could hit Fedor with a haymaker and take him out, he seems immune to them

[achillesthegreat]

There are threats.

Fedor can be hurt but the person needs to be able to finish him. Hard given his survival skills.

It would be interesting to see him v Liddell, Couture and GG.

[Donut62]

Fedor would beat the fuck out of Sergei. Sergei struggled on the feet with Mike Russow at the last Pride. Until he pulls his head out of his ass and gets serious about training I don't think he'll be doing anything to Fedor but doing a Thai bag impersonation.

Josh Barnett is still my bet. He has the size, strength, and technique to give Fedor hell on the ground.

[AJAX]

Don't laugh but I think monson would be a tough match up for Fedor. His short powerfull arms would be hard to get into an armbar and Monson does have decent boxing.He's also a submission specialists so I think Fedor would have his hands full with him

[oblate]

i mean obviously he could get cut and have the fight be stopped. i think his biggest threat his cro cop. if cro cop would land a perfect kick he could knock fedor out cold. If the kick isnt perfect and fedor is still conscious then thats a problem. fujita had him on queer street and he still finished the fight. only way to beat him is to get him out cold.

[Beebs]

Don't laugh but I think monson would be a tough match up for Fedor. His short powerfull arms would be hard to get into an armbar and Monson does have decent boxing.He's also a submission specialists so I think Fedor would have his hands full with him

Monson is a great choice.

Theres two types of fighters that could beat Fedor, great takedown guys with extensive submission training, Couture being the #1 threat in my opinion with Arona being the second, Barnett being third, and Monson being fourth. Gonzaga is another who fits the description, as does the Ricco of a few years and a hundred pounds ago, and the Mir before he wrecked his bike, a dark horse that lacks the overall skills but fits the description is Cacareco.

The second type is the lights out striker with great takedown defense, although Fedor already defeated the best of this breed in CroCop, Liddell might stand a better shot than CroCop, as Fedor seems more suseptible to punches than kicks, plus Liddell can put peoples lights out moving in any direction with both hands, whereas CC is more limited to coming forward with either the LHK or the straight left hand. Roman Zentsov also has the left hook from hell, but they are training partners and friends, not to mention Zentsov's lack of extremely high level takedown defense.

That being said, the only one I would feel remotely comfortable picking, even given my gambling / expected value way of looking at fights would be Couture or Arona.

[Dostoevsky]

Arona is 1-3 in his last 4 fights. He has been through some vicious punishment and nasty KO's
He is not the fighter that he once was and not the same fighter that fought Fedor,he would stand little chance with him.

Monson already declined to fight him which led to the Matt Lindland situation.

[achillesthegreat]

It's hard to see anyone ultimately come through to beat Fedor! Loads of guys have had moments against him or even troubled him consistently but no one has come through.

In combat there really is no such thing as untouchable and invincible. When these bad spots happen in a fight, and they will, it's how you come through them. Fedor comes through it all no matter what the problem.

How many fighters come through the sort of freaky shit he does? and on a consistent basis?

I'm thinking B.J. Penn but I can't think of many. There was one time I think Hughes had Penn in a grab and Penn was like a fucking slimeball the way he got out of it.

[Dostoevsky]

BJ Penn is one of the most talented MMA fighters out there.
Truly phenomenal.

[amhlilhaus]

fedor will lose due to a cut sooner rather than later.

[bigG]

goin on past results...anyone COULD beat him.....who expected crocop to get brutally ko'd...who thought mat sera could touch the unbeatable gsp......its much much harder to stay unbeaten in this game than in boxing...too many variable, to many hungry, skillfull guys.....whilst i appreciate fedor looks pretty untouchable, on any given night, anything can happen in the octagon....

[ufoalf]

Seriously, i just thought of a completely new perspective. Instead of looking for a person who can beat him we should just see how long Fedor can go "undefeated". I mean, like bigG said, this sport has so many variables that anyone can be beaten and Fedor walked pretty much through every style there is out there today. In MMA no one is unbeatable, which makes it that much harder to stay unbeaten especially while fighting different styles. I say we just sit back and enjoy the spectacle that Fedor brings every fight :P.

[undefeated]

Josh Barnett

[achillesthegreat]

BJ is the anti-Fedor dude, don't know what you're talking about. BJ's the guy with all the talent that wastes it by not training hard enough or coming in shape and relying on his talent to win. Fedor is one of the hardest training athletes out there.
I'm not talking about talent or training. I'm talking about skill.

Penn went to an SD I think it was with GSP. He's 1-1 with Hughes. He has the loss to Pulver but even then it questionable as to whether or not he made Pulver tap inside the time limit.

Penn does some freaky shit. The sort of things Penn and Fedor do, I wouldn't even call it skill, I'd just call it freaky shit.

[kentauros]

Fedor is undefeated but he didnt face top fighter since fight with Cro Cop (VIII/2005).He should face top fighters not cans like Zulu.I would like to see Fedor vs Barnett.

[Dostoevsky]

Mark Hunt is a top 10 heavyweight.
Hunt did beat Cro Cop remember.

[scurlaruntings]

BJ is the anti-Fedor dude, don't know what you're talking about. BJ's the guy with all the talent that wastes it by not training hard enough or coming in shape and relying on his talent to win. Fedor is one of the hardest training athletes out there.Thats because BJ comes from a well to do background and doesnt really need MMA. He just happens to be very good at BJJ and naturally blessed as well as talented.

[scurlaruntings]

I personally think there are only 2 people that realistically would have a slight chance of beating him, a rematch with Cro-Cop(he's suited to his game) & Barnett. I think the barnett fight would go similar to the Nog fights. Despite the uncertainty in mma, i just don't think anyone could hit Fedor with a haymaker and take him out, he seems immune to themYou may want to watch his fight with Fujita then..:think

[scurlaruntings]

Don't laugh but I think monson would be a tough match up for Fedor. His short powerfull arms would be hard to get into an armbar and Monson does have decent boxing.He's also a submission specialists so I think Fedor would have his hands full with himMonson doesnt.His a powerful dude who likes pushing cars around parking lots and doing powerlifting routines.But his boxing skills are horrid.His head movement is zero his jab is a none plus, his hands are slow, and his shots are a non plus because his so muscle bound.Monson doesnt train explosively and cannot react so because of his muscle mass.His ground game is tight as an ADCC champ but against a legit Sambo/Judoka like Fedor who trains with the right regime to compliment his technique he wouldnt stand a chance of submitting him other than using brute strength, of which Fedor has in abundance.

[scurlaruntings]

I'm not talking about talent or training. I'm talking about skill.

Penn went to an SD I think it was with GSP. He's 1-1 with Hughes. He has the loss to Pulver but even then it questionable as to whether or not he made Pulver tap inside the time limit.

Penn does some freaky shit. The sort of things Penn and Fedor do, I wouldn't even call it skill, I'd just call it freaky shit.Thats because Penns conditioning is poor and he routinely gases after 2 rounds.If he trained properly and came in as a lightweight as he should and used to he would go the full 3 with ease.He has great hands an excellent chin and an awesome ground game.He needs to drop down a division.But with balls as big as his im happy to see him up against the best welters in the world as it wouldnt even be close at lightweight.As for the Pulver fight Jens is going to get obliterated. That fight was a long time ago and much has changed since.Jens has brilliant hands and was a fine boxer but his best days are long gone. Plus his a bit chinny. Im expecting a Penn KO inside of 2 rounds.

[kentauros]

Mark Hunt is a top 10 heavyweight.
Hunt did beat Cro Cop remember.

Mark Hunt is not Top 10 HW (mmaweekly.com)..Did you see Barnett vs Hunt?
Hunt did beat Cro Cop with split decision and Cro Cop did beat Hunt in K1

[Dostoevsky]

Hunt is a great heavyweight and a legitimate contender.
Many people were calling for that fight and said Hunt was a threat.....now that Fedor beats him he's suddenly a can?.....WTF?

[ufoalf]

Many people were calling for that fight and said hunt was a threat.....now that Fedor beats him he's suddenly a can?.....WTF?

Rofl, you beat me to it. It would happen against Couture too.

[boxingcar]

Just so you guys know..(speaking of couture)...
Couture once said that Fedor was in his opinion , the best in MMA...came straight from his mouth...

Couture also said that an opponent of fedor's caliber would cause Him way more problems than anyone...(he once said that when they were talking about crocop & gonzaga). But that He'd still love to fight him

[Beebs]

Hunt is a great heavyweight and a legitimate contender.
Many people were calling for that fight and said Hunt was a threat.....now that Fedor beats him he's suddenly a can?.....WTF?

Hunt's a great heavyweight against strikers, his fight against Barnett shows that he can't really compete with a big grappler though.

[ufoalf]

Just so you guys know..(speaking of couture)...
Couture once said that Fedor was in his opinion , the best in MMA...came straight from his mouth...

Couture also said that an opponent of fedor's caliber would cause Him way more problems than anyone...(he once said that when they were talking about crocop & gonzaga). But that He'd still love to fight him
I want a source on that. Not saying you're lying, but i'd like to see it. Video/official text or something. *EDIT* No need, just found it.

[Beebs]

Monson doesnt.His a powerful dude who likes pushing cars around parking lots and doing powerlifting routines.But his boxing skills are horrid.His head movement is zero his jab is a none plus, his hands are slow, and his shots are a non plus because his so muscle bound.Monson doesnt train explosively and cannot react so because of his muscle mass.His ground game is tight as an ADCC champ but against a legit Sambo/Judoka like Fedor who trains with the right regime to compliment his technique he wouldnt stand a chance of submitting him other than using brute strength, of which Fedor has in abundance.

What on earth are you talking about? Just because Monson is big and strong doesn't mean he is slow or muscle bound, thats one of the biggest misconceptions about being strong out there. He works out with one of the best strength and conditioning coaches in combat sports in Rhadi Ferguson, who also happened to be an Olympic Judoka [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

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Rhadi being a beast

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[Dostoevsky]

None of that helped against Tim though did it?

[Smith]

Mark Hunt is not Top 10 HW (mmaweekly.com)..Did you see Barnett vs Hunt?

Are you stupid? Clearly a new mma fan, ufc nuthugger is you like, who follows mma weekly as his gospel! Get the fuck

Mark Hunts debatably top 5 you tool

[AJAX]

None of that helped against Tim though did it?

I think the reach was too great a difference, and Monson was going for leg takedowns instead of clinches and trips. Tim easily defended the takedowns and then posed his way to victory.

[ufoalf]

Hunt is a contender for top10 but he's DEFINITELY not top5. He hasn't done nearly enough to be top5.

Monson was retarded to go straight for the legs like he did. Tall people will sprall out on you no problem. You MUST get an angle on him to take him down. Monson always attacked straight.

[scurlaruntings]

What on earth are you talking about? Just because Monson is big and strong doesn't mean he is slow or muscle bound, thats one of the biggest misconceptions about being strong out there. He works out with one of the best strength and conditioning coaches in combat sports in Rhadi Ferguson, who also happened to be an Olympic Judoka [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

SkKIORv14cQ

Rhadi being a beast

l0Jj7r3CLwQSo what?:rofl Monson is a 240lb heavy that started out as a light heavy who is only 5ft 9.His built like a tank.I never mentioned anything about his conditioning nor strength thats totally immaterial.But if you watch his fight with Tim you`ll see his famed hands were like lead and his musculature which IS NOT trained for explosiveness didnt allow him to do anything except grab Tims ankle and get pummled.FACT Monson is slow.FACT Monson is musclebound.Theres no many here that would disagree.. aprt from you of course:patsch:patsch

[scurlaruntings]

I think the reach was too great a difference, and Monson was going for leg takedowns instead of clinches and trips. Tim easily defended the takedowns and then posed his way to victory.Agreed but look at how Randy abused Sylvia! Tims reach meant squat as his jab was non existent too in both fights.Monson is just too musclebound to do anything in a clinch.His not a very agressive fighter and his GNP is non existent.But his very powerful when he can control his opponent on the mat and will submit them with his BJJ.Other than that he doesnt have many advantages going into a fight other than his sub skills and pure strength.

[ufoalf]

But if you watch his fight with Tim you`ll see his famed hands were like lead and his musculature which IS NOT trained for explosiveness didnt allow him to do anything except grab Tims ankle and get pummled.
Listen, he IS build for explosiveness. Unless you're a bodybuilder, big muscles DEFINE explosiveness. The reason he failed against Tim, like i said, is because he failed at basics of how to take tall people down, or anyone for that matter. He didn't do it off of a punch, he wasn't close when he took ANY of his shots. He failed miserably. You really can't judge him not being explosive from this match.

[Beebs]

So what?:rofl Monson is a 240lb heavy that started out as a light heavy who is only 5ft 9.His built like a tank.I never mentioned anything about his conditioning nor strength thats totally immaterial.But if you watch his fight with Tim you`ll see his famed hands were like lead and his musculature which IS NOT trained for explosiveness didnt allow him to do anything except grab Tims ankle and get pummled.FACT Monson is slow.FACT Monson is musclebound.Theres no many here that would disagree.. aprt from you of course:patsch:patsch

He lost to tim because he was a foot shorter and facing a guy running away the whole fight, not because he isn't explosive. He is one of the best scramblers around, and one of the fastest heavys on the ground.

The bottom line is you said he was muscle bound and slow because he trained like a powerlifter, while clearly he doesn't train like a powerlifter.


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[scurlaruntings]

Listen, he IS build for explosiveness. Unless you're a bodybuilder, big muscles DEFINE explosiveness. The reason he failed against Tim, like i said, is because he failed at basics of how to take tall people down, or anyone for that matter. He didn't do it off of a punch, he wasn't close when he took ANY of his shots. He failed miserably. You really can't judge him not being explosive from this match.Big muscles define explosiveness???!?!?!?!? Dude seriously which pipe are you on? Do you think Ronnie Coleman or Gunter Schlerkamp are explosive??!?!?! There is NOTHING explosive about Monson his just a big strong guy with great Jujitsu.Monson can get guys on the floor FACT.He just coulnt get Tim to the floor because he couldnt negate Tims physical advantages and he didnt have the boxing dirty boxing skills of Randy as well as the head movement to avoid Tims pesky sloppy jab.Everytime Monson went for a leg Tim simply sprawled..

[scurlaruntings]

He lost to tim because he was a foot shorter and facing a guy running away the whole fight, not because he isn't explosive. He is one of the best scramblers around, and one of the fastest heavys on the ground.

The bottom line is you said he was muscle bound and slow because he trained like a powerlifter, while clearly he doesn't train like a powerlifter.


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Jesus why grasp at straws sherlock! Monson has repeatedly said he uses a powerlifting routine to compliment his Jujitsu ground game.Theres many vids of his training regimes on youtube i suggest you look at some..:patsch

[ufoalf]

Big muscles define explosiveness???!?!?!?!? Dude seriously which pipe are you on? Do you think Ronnie Coleman or Gunter Schlerkamp are explosive??!?!?! There is NOTHING explosive about Monson his just a big strong guy with great Jujitsu.Monson can get guys on the floor FACT.He just coulnt get Tim to the floor because he couldnt negate Tims physical advantages and he didnt have the boxing dirty boxing skills of Randy as well as the head movement to avoid Tims pesky sloppy jab.Everytime Monson went for a leg Tim simply sprawled..

Well, first of all, you have to read what i said. Coleman and Gunter are in the "bodybuilder" division. Monson is a wreslter so he IS trained in explosiveness. His endurance and his style complement explosiveness. He might not be the most explosive in takedowns because he doesnt have big legs, ill give you that. But he can some bitches down. He failed in taking Tim in technique/strategy, not explosiveness.