Thank you Werdum !

[boxingcar]

(i know he'll never read this shit) but anyway , THANKS to werdum for beating Gonzaga AGAIN. Just like he did in 2003 (just like the jackson vs liddell rivalery).

I was so sick and tired of this ultra overrated mr i "highkicked a past prime crocop" therefore i"m "ze best"...Werdum is boring as hell and can look like utter shit sometimes (see his fight vs Kharitonov & arlovski)... But at least , he's with his rematchs + will generally always have a huge advantage against anyone who has the balls to challenge him on the ground. (nogueira being the exception.)

[AJAX]

And I'm sick and tired of the "past his prime" excuses

[boxingcar]

And I'm sick and tired of the "past his prime" excuses
I'm sorry but a top fighter (and ex top kickboxer) who gets KOed by a bjj fighter and by highkick ? You gtta be kidding. Gonzaga is utter sht compared to the likes of Hug , Hoost , Ignashov , Bonjasky , Aerts etc.....etc...

the ultimate irony..No way would a prime crocop lose against a bjj fighter BY HIGHKICK. that's like Nogueira getting subbed by crocop. It's ridiculous and you know it. Something went terribly wrong with this guy's career.

even before the gonzaga incident. He was already looking different against Eddy sanchez. Then he lost against Kongo too. Who the fuck is kongo ? not evena kickboxing reject. A joke compared to crocop's talent in both mma & K1.

Today's crocop is a shadow of his former self.

[AJAX]

your right, that's almost as absurd as saying a wrestler like Keven Randleman would Ktfo Mirko badly.....it just wouldn't happen.

[Dostoevsky]

your right, that's almost as absurd as saying a wrestler like Kevin Randleman would Ktfo Mirko badly.....it just wouldn't happen.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

[Beebs]

your right, that's almost as absurd as saying a wrestler like Keven Randleman would Ktfo Mirko badly.....it just wouldn't happen.

Yes, a prime CroCop would never get KO'd by a big strong grappler, never happen.

Gonzaga broke Randys fucking arm with a kick that was blocked, there was nothing lucky about either one of those.

K1 in general is way overrated, its the same 6 guys fighting each other in a sport that has very little participation.

[boxingcar]

your right, that's almost as absurd as saying a wrestler like Keven Randleman would Ktfo Mirko badly.....it just wouldn't happen.
:lol: Touché !

But i'm still right though.
Crocop won his rematch in 40 seconds or so...

Crocop looked average against Sanchez
Looked like shit against Gonzaga
Looked like shit against Kongo...

If that's not a sign of a fighter who's career is near over , i don't know what is.

We're not in 2004 anymore. He's too old and no one ages the same way. (look at couture).

Look at Tyson in boxing. you see it all the time especially in combat sports.
Crocop > Hunt in the striking department too.
But that didn't stop Hunt from still beating him in their rematch...

Crocop looked very good during pride's grand prix. I'll give him that. but that was it. He gave it all against fedor (and that was in his prime) , he was fast , alert , had a perfect ground defense but it wasn't enough...

In the end , crocop never was able to grab the hw belt. Well he did won the grand prix belt. The point is...when a guy this good has 2 losses back to back against the likes of Gonzaga & Kongo...It's not a good sign at all.

And yes his loss against randleman was fucking absurd too. But we all know what happened in the rematch and what followed after that..crocop was looking great at the time. Today ?

The difference is that you can't even blame it on a "fluke" or a bad night. Crocop shouldn't be ranked in the top 10. That's how bad he looked in his latest fights. Gonzaga was lucky to fight a guy who was a shadow of his former self.

[chimba]

I agree with one thing..

Thank You Werdum..

And to the guy thats going to beat Werdum...an advance Thank You as well

[Beebs]

CroCop also looked terrible in the fight after Randleman 1, Kanehara took him to decision, maybe he will come back from this too, I don't know, I don't think he will but its possible.

Also I think CroCop hitting a standing guillotine in the rematch was just as weird as the first fight.

I just think its pretty arbitrary to say that CroCop was already ruined when Gonzaga got ahold of him, he was coming off the biggest win of his career followed by an easy fight where he looked average. I can see the argument for Kongo getting a ruined CroCop, but whos to say Gonzaga didn't ruin him.

MMA is changing and has changed alot in the last 2 years or so, fighters are just getting better and more even.

[AJAX]

Werdum is a tough guy...hard to get to, GG and AA couldn't do much to him and his ground game could be the best in division. He is the type of guy who always makes his oppenent look bad. So I'll be interested to see the next guy to beat him

[Beebs]

Werdum is a tough guy...hard to get to, GG and AA couldn't do much to him and his ground game could be the best in division. He is the type of guy who always makes his oppenent look bad. So I'll be interested to see the next guy to beat him

I bet they will utilize leg kicks, thats for sure.

I don't know how he was even standing at the start of round 2, those were brutal.

[boxingcar]

K1 in general is way overrated, its the same 6 guys fighting each other in a sport that has very little participation.


K1 , overrated or not.
COMPARE a prime Peter Aerts' kickboxing AGAINST ANYONE in mma. and they all look like SHIT.

do the same with Ignashov. People say that gonzaga's kicks are amazing on the sherdog forums i shit you not. But i bet you guys must think the same too. It's pathetic. a guy like gonzaga ? in the kicking department ? he's got nothing on the likes of Hug , Hoost , Feitosa , LeBanner , Graham , Musashi , Manhoef , Bonjasky , Greco , McDonald , Filho etc...I'm not gonna mention them all , you get the point..

Best thing you got in mma as far as kickboxing/ muay thai is concerned are Kid Yamamoto , Anderson Silva & Crocop (prime crocop).

[AJAX]

CroCop also looked terrible in the fight after Randleman 1, Kanehara took him to decision, maybe he will come back from this too, I don't know, I don't think he will but its possible.

Also I think CroCop hitting a standing guillotine in the rematch was just as weird as the first fight.

I just think its pretty arbitrary to say that CroCop was already ruined when Gonzaga got ahold of him, he was coming off the biggest win of his career followed by an easy fight where he looked average. I can see the argument for Kongo getting a ruined CroCop, but whos to say Gonzaga didn't ruin him.

MMA is changing and has changed alot in the last 2 years or so, fighters are just getting better and more even.

And that makes it tougher for 1 dimentional guys like Mirko to excell. I mean really what's he going to do....LHK or straight right. When he becomes that predictable he becomes that much more beatable. I don't see his style doing anything in the UFC.

[Sweet Pea]

K1 in general is way overrated, its the same 6 guys fighting each other in a sport that has very little participation.And that is the truth! K-1 is immensely overrated. Very very few consistent fighters in it.

[chimba]

K1 , overrated or not.
COMPARE a prime Peter Aerts' kickboxing AGAINST ANYONE in mma. and they all look like SHIT.

do the same with Ignashov. People say that gonzaga's kicks are amazing on the sherdog forums i shit you not. But i bet you guys must think the same too. It's pathetic. a guy like gonzaga ? in the kicking department ? he's got nothing on the likes of Hug , Hoost , Feitosa , LeBanner , Graham , Musashi , Manhoef , Bonjasky , Greco , McDonald , Filho etc...I'm not gonna mention them all , you get the point..

Best thing you got in mma as far as kickboxing/ muay thai is concerned are Kid Yamamoto , Anderson Silva & Crocop (prime crocop).

Now youre getting carried away, I was not surprised GG lost but he does have some serious power in that right leg..You cannot deny that. Is he the same caliber a kicker as a Bonjasky? No..But can he deliver the same power or more?..Yes

[Beebs]

Gonzagas kicks are good, he can't land them with the consistancy of Aerts, but the impact of the kick on CroCop was right up there with anything I've ever seen in K1. He did train with Chute Boxe for a decent part of his career.

Things change in MMA, GSP shouldn't outwrestle people the way he does, Manhoef shouldn't outbox Nishijima, Lindland shouldn't get taken down by Busta.

[Polymath]

And that is the truth! K-1 is immensely overrated. Very very few consistent fighters in it.

If it is its got nothing to do with consistency, they all lose because they all have to fight the best guys regularly, like in mma, and unlike boxing.

[chimba]

If it is its got nothing to do with consistency, they all lose because they all have to fight the best guys regularly, like in mma, and unlike boxing.


Good post

If its such a small pool..then get in there if you can compete...they pay top money..

You know why its such a small pool?? Because they are the cream of the crop. Show me an better KB org

Watch Max...smaller guys..who do they have?? the Buakaws of the world..the best!

[Beebs]

If it is its got nothing to do with consistency, they all lose because they all have to fight the best guys regularly, like in mma, and unlike boxing.

Not really talking about their records, that is as you say a function of fighting the same guys over and over.

More that we consider them the best strikers, but they never fight against anybody but the same small group of people in what is essentially a dieing sport. I think the gap between the top MMA strikers and K1 is closing and possibly gone altogether.

K1 max is a different story as there are alot of kickboxing orgs for guys that weight and you can get a sense for who really is the best. Although with K-1's rule set not being the best for straight up Muay Thai guys, I would bet on the Lumpinee champ agains the K1 max champ in a MT fight.

[boxingcar]

And that is the truth! K-1 is immensely overrated. Very very few consistent fighters in it.

It's hard to be consistent in kickboxing. It isn't boxing you know.
Look at Matt Skelton.
Compare his K1 and boxing career.

Here's the reality

past prime Skelton = 21 WINS & 2 LOSSES under boxing rules

Prime Skelton = 17 WINS & 7 LOSSES under kickboxing rules

Past prime Botha = 2 WINS & 10 LOSSES under kickboxing rules

Prime / past prime Botha = 45 WINS & 4 LOSSES under boxing rules.

[boxingcar]

but the impact of the kick on CroCop was right up there with anything I've ever seen in K1.
Then you haven't seen much.

[chimba]

Then you haven't seen much.

Just when I thought you were making sense:patsch

[Beebs]

Then you haven't seen much.

Actually I have, and nobody ever did that to CroCop.

Aerts had the most brutal kicks, but what Gonzaga did to CroCop was right up there.

I think your just upset about a K1 guy getting outstruck for some reason.

[boxingcar]

Just when I thought you were making sense:patsch

Prove me wrong.
Gonzaga's kick against crocop is part of the routine in K1. It's good but nothing special. There's actually many more spectacular and brutal kicks in this sport...

[Beebs]

Prove me wrong.
Gonzaga's kick against crocop is part of the routine in K1. It's good but nothing special. There's actually many more spectacular and brutal kicks in this sport...

yea, that was just run of the mill.:roll: The guy looked like hed been killed, I realize it doesn't fit with your world view for some reason, but that kick was ungodly hard.

Where are you even going with this?

[chimba]

Prove me wrong.
Gonzaga's kick against crocop is part of the routine in K1. It's good but nothing special. There's actually many more spectacular and brutal kicks in this sport...

Well you show me a clip with the same thud...I know the question is that kick is up there..It was a perfect kick..Yes I agree with you Kaman is better than Gonzaga...I know..I think we know that...

Gonzaga has tremendous power in that big leg of his..yes it a big heavy leg..no one in K1 even Hunt would have withstood that kick

[boxingcar]

Actually I have, and nobody ever did that to CroCop.

Aerts had the most brutal kicks, but what Gonzaga did to CroCop was right up there.

I think your just upset about a K1 guy getting outstruck for some reason.

You haven't. I'm not talking about the fact that "nobody" ever did that to crocop.
I'm talking about you telling me that "the impact of the kick on CroCop was right up there with anything I've ever seen in K1."

If that is true for you , then you haven't seen much...

Seriously , i can already think of one kick which was pretty much like gonzaga's...perfect example

Brecht Wallis vs Carter Williams it actually was more brutal than gonzaga's
and you come here and tell me that it was "up there with anything i've ever seen in K1" ?

You gotta be joking.

[Beebs]

You haven't. I'm not talking about the fact that "nobody" ever did that to crocop.
I'm talking about you telling me that "the impact of the kick on CroCop was right up there with anything I've ever seen in K1."

If that is true for you , then you haven't seen much...

Seriously , i can already think of one kick which was pretty much like gonzaga's...perfect example

Brecht Wallis vs Carter Williams it actually was more brutal than gonzaga's
and you come here and tell me that it was "up there with anything i've ever seen in K1" ?

You gotta be joking.

I don't get it, is your point to show that youve seen K1 kickboxing and we should be impressed? Congrats, welcome to the club.

Or is to say that the kick that had CroCop sprawled out on the floor with his leg bent at an unnatural angle wasn't impressive because there have been a couple dozen harder ones in K1?

It wasn't the single hardest kick ever, but its pretty hard to distinguish between kicks like that and say what Aerts did to Hug. How is one any more impressive than the other?

[boxingcar]

I don't get it, is your point to show that youve seen K1 kickboxing and we should be impressed? Congrats, welcome to the club.

Or is to say that the kick that had CroCop sprawled out on the floor with his leg bent at an unnatural angle wasn't impressive because there have been a couple dozen harder ones in K1?

It wasn't the single hardest kick ever, but its pretty hard to distinguish between kicks like that and say what Aerts did to Hug. How is one any more impressive than the other?
No and you know it.
My point was very simple to understand... Let me recap again...
You come here and say

" "the impact of the kick on CroCop was right up there with anything I've ever seen in K1.""

Then i tell you..."then you haven't seen much"...

and you know the rest...

(are you serious about your last question ? )

[Beebs]

No and you know it.
My point was very simple to understand... Let me recap again...
You come here and say

" "the impact of the kick on CroCop was right up there with anything I've ever seen in K1.""

Then i tell you..."then you haven't seen much"...

and you know the rest...

(are you serious about your last question ? )

I fail to see how you can objectively say that kick wasn't that good, I just don't see how thats a viable argument. A rediculously hard kick is a rediculously hard kick no matter who throws it, even if you don't like them. It's just an assinine argument especially given the fact that most of the great kickers in K1 had a chance to do the same and failed.

And yes, I have seen alot of kickboxing. No that kick wasn't as technical as a great kick from K1, but the damage it did speaks for itself.

[Donut62]

I fail to see how you can objectively say that kick wasn't that good, I just don't see how thats a viable argument. A rediculously hard kick is a rediculously hard kick no matter who throws it, even if you don't like them. It's just an assinine argument especially given the fact that most of the great kickers in K1 had a chance to do the same and failed.

And yes, I have seen alot of kickboxing. No that kick wasn't as technical as a great kick from K1, but the damage it did speaks for itself.

Seriously Beebs, if you haven't figured out that boxingcar is half retarded yet, I'm here to tell you. No use arguing with him, you can't change stupid Pride nut huggers.

[codeman99998]

I'm going to go ahead and throw this semi-controversial possibility out there.

Crocop + Steroids > Crocop - Steroids

[AJAX]

I'm going to go ahead and throw this semi-controversial possibility out there.

Crocop + Steroids > Crocop - Steroids

don't let Scurlauntings hear that ....steroids are a swear word and never existed....and unless you half proof don't talk about it.:shock: