Best P4P Fighter Of Each Decade

[McGrain]

Of the 21st Century.

You can only have one name per decade!

So pick one guy from 1900-1909, one guy from 1910-1919 and so on, right up to 1999.

Tough one this, I think.

[Jack Dempsey]

Do you mean the 20th century?

[TBooze]

Of the 21st Century.


We have not had a completed decade yet in the 21st century;)

But I think you mean the 20th... so here is my take

1901-10 Sammy Langford

1911-20 Jimmy Wilde

1921-30 Benny Leonard

1931-40 Henry Armstrong

1941-50 Ray Robinson

1951-60 Sandy Saddler

1961-70 Emile Griffith

1971-80 Roberto Duran

1981-90 Marvin Hagler

1991-2000 Oscar de la Hoya

[groove]

60s was Ali. Griffiths lost 9 times in the 60s. Ali was undefeated with 29 wins, 23 by KO and defended his title 8 times until he was stripped of the title. Ali defended his title more times than Rocky Marciano just in the 60s.

[Bad_Intentions]

21 century is 2000+. 20th century is the beginning of the 1900's.

[sweet_scientist]

We have not had a completed decade yet in the 21st century;)

But I think you mean the 20th... so here is my take

1901-10 Sammy Langford

1911-20 Jimmy Wilde

1921-30 Benny Leonard

1931-40 Henry Armstrong

1941-50 Ray Robinson

1951-60 Sandy Saddler

1961-70 Emile Griffith

1971-80 Roberto Duran

1981-90 Marvin Hagler

1991-2000 Oscar de la Hoya

TBooze, ( damn, I always seem to be questioning your opinions lately, lol,) what did DLH do to be regarded the fighter of the 90s?

By your estimation he beat Chavez when he was 9 years past his prime, Whitaker when he was 8 years past his prime (which most felt he lost), Quartey (in a fight most felt he lost) and other than that blew out a lot of older or smaller opponents that didn't belong in his weight class.

If glam and popularity is part of your criteria then I'd understand.

[TBooze]

TBooze, ( damn, I always seem to be questioning your opinions lately, lol,) what did DLH do to be regarded the fighter of the 90s?

By your estimation he beat Chavez when he was 9 years past his prime, Whitaker when he was 8 years past his prime (which most felt he lost), Quartey (in a fight most felt he lost) and other than that blew out a lot of older or smaller opponents that didn't belong in his weight class.

If glam and popularity is part of your criteria then I'd understand.

And big time quality opposition that de la Hoya's rivals (Whitaker and Jones) lacked.

[TBooze]

60s was Ali. Griffiths lost 9 times in the 60s. Ali was undefeated with 29 wins, 23 by KO and defended his title 8 times until he was stripped of the title. Ali defended his title more times than Rocky Marciano just in the 60s.

I thought about Ali, but he did not fight for three years in the decade, and his opposition (Liston apart) was fairly uninspiring.

Griffith was competing with the very best in two excellent divisions, and had a brilliant series of bouts with Moyer, Rodriguez, Fernandez, Paret, Archer and Benvenuti as well as a one off bout against Dick Tiger.

[JohnThomas1]

I thought about Ali, but he did not fight for three years in the decade, and his opposition (Liston apart) was fairly uninspiring.


Hagler didn't fight for about 3 years of the 90's either. Hearns apart, his opposition wasn't fantastic either excepting Leonard, whom he lost to. Duran was wellll up in the weights and beyond his prime.

[sweet_scientist]

And big time quality opposition that de la Hoya's rivals (Whitaker and Jones) lacked.
Whitaker faced 5 guys that were top 10 p4p (at the time he fought them) during the decade:Azumah Nelson, Julio Cesar Chavez, Buddy McGirt, Oscar De la Hoya and Felix Trinidad. He arguably went 5-1 with those guys. How is that a lack of quality opposition?

[TBooze]

Hagler didn't fight for about 3 years of the 90's either. Hearns apart, his opposition wasn't fantastic either excepting Leonard, whom he lost to. Duran was wellll up in the weights and beyond his prime.

Hagler did not fight at all in the 90s;)

I am damned if I am going to give Leonard credit if I can avoid it, so I spun it...

As the 20th Century did not begin to 1901, (because we did not have a year 0), I could start the 80s in 1981... which took out the the two Duran/Leonard fights that mattered, and without the first two Duran fights I think there is scope to give the decade to Hagler.

[TBooze]

Whitaker faced 5 guys that were top 10 p4p (at the time he fought them) during the decade:Azumah Nelson, Julio Cesar Chavez, Buddy McGirt, Oscar De la Hoya and Felix Trinidad. He arguably went 5-1 with those guys. How is that a lack of quality opposition?

He actually went 3-2-1 with them and two of them victories were over McGirt who althoug a superb technician, was arguable not a top 10 pound for pound contender in the 90s... pre Taylor maybe. And his other victory is over Nelson (a man who at his best 9lbs lighter) but that was in 1990 anyway, which means it does not count in my list.

So I reckon Whitaker actual record over top 10 pound for pound fighters was 0-2-1 (91 to 2000)

[JohnThomas1]

Hagler did not fight at all in the 90s;)


Sorry, 6 Corona's have me operating on just 7 cylinders :D

I am damned if I am going to give Leonard credit if I can avoid it, so I spun it...

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

As the 20th Century did not begin to 1901, (because we did not have a year 0), I could start the 80s in 1981... which took out the the two Duran/Leonard fights that mattered, and without the first two Duran fights I think there is scope to give the decade to Hagler.

It can be debated either way for sure. Thing is Leonard's loss to Duran doesn't go against him either. We still have him beating Hearn's, Hagler and Duran. His loss to Norris also doesn't count. We now have a fighter who went thru the entire 80's period undefeated while beating 3 ATG's.

I give him the crown based on zero losses and quality over quantity. The win over his only serious rival for the position seals the deal for me. Ray Leonard, fighter of the 80's.

[sweet_scientist]

He actually went 3-2-1 with them and two of them victories were over McGirt who althoug a superb technician, was arguable not a top 10 pound for pound contender in the 90s... pre Taylor maybe. And his other victory is over Nelson (a man who at his best 9lbs lighter) but that was in 1990 anyway, which means it does not count in my list.

So I reckon Whitaker actual record over top 10 pound for pound fighters was 0-2-1 (91 to 2000)

Buddy actually achieved his higest p4p ranking after beating Simon Brown for the WBC welterweight title in 1991. THAT was his signature performance. He was on the p4p charts briefly before the Taylor fight, but then didn't re-emerge on them til 1991, and then he stayed on the lists til 1994. Some lists, e.g. KO Mag actually had him top 5 before he faced Whitaker for the first time. Who was arguing that Buddy wasn't a p4p'er when he fought Pernell?

As for Nelson being at his best 9 pounds lighter, well Whitaker was at his best 12 pounds lighter than where he fought DLH, and he was past his prime as well, and still to most observers he won and even if some thought he lost, would have to admit that he showed what would have happened if he was in his prime.

As for the Chavez draw, well, no comment. :good

[Robbi]

Hagler didn't fight for about 3 years of the 90's either. Hearns apart, his opposition wasn't fantastic either excepting Leonard, whom he lost to. Duran was wellll up in the weights and beyond his prime.
JT. You make some good points regarding Hagler. Apart from his wins over Duran, Hearns, and Mugabi, which were his biggest wins?. I'd probably go with Roldan.

[JohnThomas1]

JT. You make some good points regarding Hagler. Apart from his wins over Duran, Hearns, and Mugabi, which were his biggest wins?. I'd probably go with Roldan.

Personally i don't bracket Mugabi with Hearns and Duran. I think he's overrated. A good win, similar to Roldan, except Roldan had actually proven himself a little more IMO. I rate the Hamsho wins, a very tough mofo in his own way. The Antuofermo rematch was ok and Sibson was interesting. Actually i'd rate Sibbo up with any win beside Hearn's and Duran. Why? His utter dominance of a very decent fighter. Sibson could have very likely stopped Mugabi. He and Roldan would have been a barnfest to remember. The more i think about it, the greater this fight becomes, christ! hahaha

[heerko koois]

50,s - Rocky Marciano
60,s- Cassius Clay
70,s- Carlos Monzon
80,s - Julio cesar Chavez / Mike Tyson
90,s - Evander Holyfield

[Robbi]

Personally i don't bracket Mugabi with Hearns and Duran. I think he's overrated. A good win, similar to Roldan, except Roldan had actually proven himself a little more IMO. I rate the Hamsho wins, a very tough mofo in his own way. The Antuofermo rematch was ok and Sibson was interesting. Actually i'd rate Sibbo up with any win beside Hearn's and Duran. Why? His utter dominance of a very decent fighter. Sibson could have very likely stopped Mugabi. He and Roldan would have been a barnfest to remember. The more i think about it, the greater this fight becomes, christ! hahaha
Hagler boxed as well as he ever did against Sibson. His jab was thrown with superb rhythm and precision. And when he finally broke Sibson down during the 6th with power punches, it was simply a master at work. This win was to Hagler, like Williams was to Ali.

[Robbi]

Another thing JT. Sibson was a decent operator, and previously held the European title. But I'd prefered to have seen Hagler do the same kind of job on someone like Duran. Doing that kind of business on a solid middleweight is impressive, but a higher marquee opponent would have stood out more.

[McGrain]

Do you mean the 20th century?

Yes.

You f***ing smart arse.

[Vantage_West]

And big time quality opposition that de la Hoya's rivals (Whitaker and Jones) lacked.but whitaker was never beaten maybe lost but never the outpointed well.. only trinidad did .....WAY into his retirement age.

jones was unbeatable and was fighting anybody the best the worst didnt matter if you could make 174 then your in his kingdom.
oscar never made any vibrations in any division he never beat the man they beat him

[JohnThomas1]

Another thing JT. Sibson was a decent operator, and previously held the European title. But I'd prefered to have seen Hagler do the same kind of job on someone like Duran. Doing that kind of business on a solid middleweight is impressive, but a higher marquee opponent would have stood out more.

Fair call Robbi.

[dmt]

1901-10: Joe Gans

1910-19: Sam Langford

1920-29: Benny Leonard

1930-39: Henry Armstrong

1940-49: Ezzard Charles

1950-59: Ray Robinson

1960-69: Muhammad Ali

1970-79: Roberto Duran

1980-89: Marvin Hagler

1990-99: Roy Jones Jr

[My dinner with Conteh]

60s was Ali. Griffiths lost 9 times in the 60s. Ali was undefeated with 29 wins, 23 by KO and defended his title 8 times until he was stripped of the title. Ali defended his title more times than Rocky Marciano just in the 60s.


Don't you ever talk about anyone else.

[TBooze]

1951-60 Willie Pep

1961-70 Monzon



I wanted to put Pep on my list, but it had to be in the 40s and Robinson's resume was too much.

51 to 60 saw Pep lose to Saddler, Collins, Perez (in a fix, that got Pep banned from ever fighting in NYC again), Bassey and Leon. He did not beat any top 10 rated fighters in that time period.

Monzon 61 to 70... As sensational an upset and a victory the Benvenuti fight was it was his only victory over a rated fighter. His other opponent of note in the time frame (Briscoe) got a draw:blood against him in Buenos Aires...

[rekcutnevets]

1900-1909- Joe Gans
1910-1919- Sam Langford
1920-1929- Harry Greb
1930-1939- Henry Armstrong
1940-1949- Willie Pep
1950-1959- Ray Robinson
1960-1969- Eder Jofre
1970-1979- Roberto Duran
1980-1989- Ray Leonard
1990-1999- Pernell Whitaker

[Minotauro]

1900-1909- Joe Gans
1910-1919- Sam Langford
1920-1929- Harry Greb
1930-1939- Henry Armstrong
1940-1949- Willie Pep
1950-1959- Ray Robinson
1960-1969- Eder Jofre
1970-1979- Roberto Duran
1980-1989- Ray Leonard
1990-1999- Pernell Whitaker

Yeh I agree with your list except I would have Ezzard Charles in the 40s rather then Pep due to the competition he fought.

[janitor]

1900-1909- Joe Gans
1910-1919- Sam Langford
1920-1929- Harry Greb
1930-1939- Henry Armstrong
1940-1949- Willie Pep
1950-1959- Ray Robinson
1960-1969- Eder Jofre
1970-1979- Roberto Duran
1980-1989- Ray Leonard
1990-1999- Pernell Whitaker

Ironicaly this is my list.

[rekcutnevets]

Minotauro, Charles is right up there for the 40's. Got no problem with that pick.

janitor, I must say you have a rather nice list.

[asero]

1900-1909- Joe Gans
1910-1919- Sam Langford
1920-1929- Harry Greb
1930-1939- Henry Armstrong
1940-1949- Willie Pep
1950-1959- Ray Robinson
1960-1969- Muhammad Ali
1970-1979- Roberto Duran
1980-1989- Ray Leonard
1990-1999- Roy JOnes
2000-2009- Manny Pacquiao ???

[Senya13]

1900-1909 Joe Gans
1910-1919 Packey McFarland
1920-1929 Benny Leonard
1930-1939 Barney Ross
1940-1949 Ray Robinson
1950-1959 Sandy Saddler
1960-1969 Eder Jofre
1970-1979 Roberto Duran
1980-1989 Ray Leonard
1990-1999 Roy Jones Jr
2000-2009 Floyd Mayweather Jr

[Flea Man]

JT. You make some good points regarding Hagler. Apart from his wins over Duran, Hearns, and Mugabi, which were his biggest wins?. I'd probably go with Roldan.

Minter in London wasn't bad either. Roldan of course (Hagler's only KD??!?! Not IMO)

Duran might not be as great a win seeing he was primarily a LW/WW, but seeing as he later won the SMW title it's clear he wasn't out of his depth at MW, and besides, Hagler was slipping at that stage. Arguably beat Leonard as well, regardless of the official result, he competed well with one of the GOAT in most people's opinions. Was ranked fighter of the year about six times by Ring magazine in the 80's I think. Definitely Hagler for the 80's.

[Flea Man]

1960-1969 Eder Jofre :good agree wholeheartedly

[asero]

Minter in London wasn't bad either. Roldan of course (Hagler's only KD??!?! Not IMO)

Duran might not be as great a win seeing he was primarily a LW/WW, but seeing as he later won the SMW title it's clear he wasn't out of his depth at MW, and besides, Hagler was slipping at that stage. Arguably beat Leonard as well, regardless of the official result, he competed well with one of the GOAT in most people's opinions. Was ranked fighter of the year about six times by Ring magazine in the 80's I think. Definitely Hagler for the 80's.


hagler is p4p king for 5 or 6 straight years...

[redrooster]

Hagler didn't fight for about 3 years of the 90's either. Hearns apart, his opposition wasn't fantastic either excepting Leonard, whom he lost to. Duran was wellll up in the weights and beyond his prime.

:patsch

You cant even get your decades right

[JohnThomas1]

:patsch

You cant even get your decades right

So it took you a full year and a half to work that out?

:rofl:rofl:rofl