Hopkins is going to Beat Joe up...and pretty badly.

[compukiller]

Calzaghe is obviously a talented fighter, but he has never seen anything like BHOP and has no real defense.

Those right hands from Nard will stop that "1,000 punches a fight" real quick. The southpaw stance will make it even more difficult for Calzaghe.

BHOP by brutal decision against a game, but befuddled and abused Calzaghe. :deal

[Amsterdam]

Calzaghe is obviously a talented fighter, but he has never seen anything like BHOP and has no real defense.

B-Hop has never seen anything like him, I don't understand why this only goes one way.

He has no defence? When he's playing defensive, he excells at not getting hit. There is a difference between a fighter who takes risks and gets tagged and one who simply has no defence.

Those right hands from Nard will stop that "1,000 punches a fight" real quick. The southpaw stance will make it even more difficult for Calzaghe.

Bernard really doesn't have the power needed to keep Joe honest, and his timing has diminished anyway. He also can't deal with high paced fights and has to fight conservatively, this is why Joe will get a high workrate off, as usual.


BHOP by brutal decision against a game, but befuddled and abused Calzaghe. :deal


Whatever you say.:smoke

[Toopretty]

B-Hop has never seen anything like him, I don't understand why this only goes one way.

He has no defence? When he's playing defensive, he excells at not getting hit. There is a difference between a fighter who takes risks and gets tagged and one who simply has no defence.



Bernard really doesn't have the power needed to keep Joe honest, and his timing has diminished anyway. He also can't deal with high paced fights and has to fight conservatively, this is why Joe will get a high workrate off, as usual.



Whatever you say.:smoke

WRONG again. I have seen Joe go defensive. He still gets hit..he can get cracked to the body or with an overhand right. His defense with his gloves is average. He has good movement but his head movement is not too great. He pretty much just relies on his feet to get in and out of range. You wont catch Calzaghe picking off shots. Kessler landed the same punches on him over and over and this was when Calzaghe went defensive after getting cracked with that right uppercut in round 3-4 I think. Calzaghe would lose if he ever decides to go defensive.

[sues2nd]

B-Hop has never seen anything like him, I don't understand why this only goes one way.

I honestly dont know how you could say this...when for every 1 person who says it this way, there are 999 saying the opposite on here.

He has no defence? When he's playing defensive, he excells at not getting hit. There is a difference between a fighter who takes risks and gets tagged and one who simply has no defence.

Do you really think that Calzaghe wont be open for Hopkins lead right? You dont think he will be even more open for counters?

If Hopkins can hit Wright cleanly (which he did better than anyone did for the past decade), then he can hit Joe cleanly. Defense shouldnt be brought up as an advantage for Calzaghe.

Bernard really doesn't have the power needed to keep Joe honest, and his timing has diminished anyway. He also can't deal with high paced fights and has to fight conservatively, this is why Joe will get a high workrate off, as usual.

He didnt have the power to keep Wright honest, yet Winky still threw about 700 less punches than he did vs his previous opponent. If Joe keeps his workrate at or around the level he had it at vs Kessler, he may get ROCKED.....doing that would be playing right into Hopkins game.

[compukiller]

B-Hop has never seen anything like him, I don't understand why this only goes one way.

He has no defence? When he's playing defensive, he excells at not getting hit. There is a difference between a fighter who takes risks and gets tagged and one who simply has no defence.



Bernard really doesn't have the power needed to keep Joe honest, and his timing has diminished anyway. He also can't deal with high paced fights and has to fight conservatively, this is why Joe will get a high workrate off, as usual.



Whatever you say.:smoke

Calzaghe eats right hands all night. Kessler pelted him with huge right hands anumber of times. He's never been difficult to hit, and BHOP has seriously underrated power, more than Joe, I can tell you that.

Calzaghe makes too many technical mistakes to beat Hopkins, and he s going to pay for it.

[compukiller]

Hopkins beating Joe? I have no problem with that but beating him up and badly? Sounds about as likely as the three men in my avatar living up to such expectations. :yep

Hey, MESI is undefeated!!!:D

[joe33]

Joe sure has done well then for a guy with no real defence dont you think?,fucking hell im sure most fighters would sell there grannies to have his defence lol

[compukiller]

Joe sure has done well then for a guy with no real defence dont you think?,fucking hell im sure most fighters would sell there grannies to have his defence lol

You can't fight a guy like Hopkins with leaky defense. You just can't.

[joe33]

You can't fight a guy like Hopkins with leaky defense. You just can't.

What the leaky defence that has cost him all those knock downs and losses you mean??:lol: ,get fucking real,if he has a leaky defence most other fighters aint got arms

[Amsterdam]

Calzaghe eats right hands all night. Kessler pelted him with huge right hands anumber of times. He's never been difficult to hit, and BHOP has seriously underrated power, more than Joe, I can tell you that.

Kessler is prime, quicker and has excellent timing with superior power. Hopkins is old, he can't compare to Kessler's current timing at the moment.


Calzaghe makes too many technical mistakes to beat Hopkins, and he s going to pay for it.


You make it out like he's 1 dimensional and flawed. He makes technical mistakes, but he's very dynamic and a great tactician.

[fatdrunkenslob]

A crafty veteran like Hopkins wouldn't take the fight unless he's really confident of victory. B-Hop has been around a long time and is a master of gameplans and ring generalship so I believe that he will be able to pull it off or at least look good even if he loses. I don't think Hopkins is delusional like some older fighters so I think he knows what he is doing.

[joe33]

A crafty veteran like Hopkins wouldn't take the fight unless he's really confident of victory. B-Hop has been around a long time and is a master of gameplans and ring generalship so I believe that he will be able to pull it off or at least look good even if he loses. I don't think Hopkins is delusional like some older fighters so I think he knows what he is doing.

Hes gonna get a small fortune for it,of course a 40+ man would take the fight,i know i would most of us would to.Of course theres no way "a white boy can beat me" so hes sorted then aint he:good

[jecxbox]

offensively the only thing hopkins has at least at this point in his career is a lead right hand and his usual rough house tactics. Joe Calzaghe will figure that one out and just outwork the shit out of him.

[klion22]

A crafty veteran like Hopkins wouldn't take the fight unless he's really confident of victory. B-Hop has been around a long time and is a master of gameplans and ring generalship so I believe that he will be able to pull it off or at least look good even if he loses. I don't think Hopkins is delusional like some older fighters so I think he knows what he is doing.

:amen

You are a person with common sense and logic. Indeed, a veteran like Hopkins would not have taken this fight unless if he was confident that he could pull out a win. If not win, look pretty good losing. He's not going to embarrass himself. Is there any other fighter alive today with as much ring intelligence and ring savvy as one Bernard Hopkins? I don't think so. He knows what he's doing every second he's in the ring.

When's the last time he's been hit with a clean right hand? I didn't see one against Winky, Tarver, 2X Taylor. That's already nearly 4 years.

Hopkins is going to have a plan that he will execute. He's not going to just go in there taking chances and not knowing what he's doing. He's going to study Joe C and expose his weaknesses just like he did with Tarver, Tito, and Winky.

I can't wait for this one. I just hope father time doesn't catch up to Hops. :klitfanb:

[compukiller]

Kessler is prime, quicker and has excellent timing with superior power. Hopkins is old, he can't compare to Kessler's current timing at the moment.


You make it out like he's 1 dimensional and flawed. He makes technical mistakes, but he's very dynamic and a great tactician.

He's not 1 dimensional, but the mistakes he does make BHOP will pick up on, and style wise it will make for problems.

And Kessler's reflexs are not on BHOP's level. He may be younger, but BHOP can still hit and not be hit, something Kessler had a big problem with against Joe C. The wide punching Andrade also hit Kessler alot, even though he was brutally dominated. Bhop is also a better counter puncher than Kessler and has better defense.

If Sakio Bika could hit Joe at will....

[sues2nd]

Kessler is prime, quicker and has excellent timing with superior power. Hopkins is old, he can't compare to Kessler's current timing at the moment.


You make it out like he's 1 dimensional and flawed. He makes technical mistakes, but he's very dynamic and a great tactician.

Kessler is OVER.....RATED!!!!

His timing is not that good....its his mechanics and accuracy that are good. Hopkins timing is amazing. This isnt even arguable.

[compukiller]

What the leaky defence that has cost him all those knock downs and losses you mean??:lol: ,get fucking real,if he has a leaky defence most other fighters aint got arms

If I were fighting Manny, Moe and Jack most of the time in my backyard, I might be undefeated as well:deal

Not dissing Calzaghe, he is the true champ of his division and that is rare these days. But it aint like he's been fighing a murderer's row his whole career.

[compukiller]

Kessler is OVER.....RATED!!!!

His timing is not that good....its his mechanics and accuracy that are good. Hopkins timing is amazing. This isnt even arguable.

I agree. Hopkins' timing is impeccable.

[DoumB]

B-HOP will look foolish in there, right now, kessler is twice the fighter bernard is,(and im a X fan) and look what Joe C did to kessler.

[compukiller]

B-HOP will look foolish in there, right now, kessler is twice the fighter bernard is,(and im a X fan) and look what Joe C did to kessler.

Kessler is a very good fighter, but he is NOT faster than BHOP and BHOP has better timing, footwork, and defense. No comparison.

[Amsterdam]

He's not 1 dimensional, but the mistakes he does make BHOP will pick up on, and style wise it will make for problems.

Styelwise Bhop poses issue's for Joe, but Joe poses more even for Bhop, he's a stylistic nightmare for Bhop with his in and out movement and workrate.

He doesn't make enough mistakes that he can't get away with because of his insane footspeed.

And Kessler's reflexs are not on BHOP's level.

You talk like Bhop is in his prime. Kessler's speed and reflexes are well beyond the current Hopkins'.

He may be younger, but BHOP can still hit and not be hit, something Kessler had a big problem with against Joe C.

Joe's a brilliant fighter and multi-dimensional, Kessler is not a defensive fighter, he's a boxer puncher, but he does have a solid defence and doesn't get tagged with anything stupid like a Jermain Taylor or Kelly Pavlik does.:yep

The wide punching Andrade also hit Kessler alot, even though he was brutally dominated. Bhop is also a better counter puncher than Kessler and has better defense.

Andrade landed all of 90 punches out of 600-700 thrown, and Kessler was really laying into him with every combination he had, he was timing 4 shot combination's on Andrade's dome and didn't get tired even under pressure.

Bhop is a better counter puncher, no doubt, but with faded timing and faded reflexes he won't counter Joe as effectively as Kessler did.

He also doesn't have Kessler's power.


If Sakio Bika could hit Joe at will....


Did you know that Joe didn't even have sparring in preparation for the fight and almost had a nervous breakdown over personal problems the night before?

That was no 100% focused and trained Joe Calzaghe.

[auggiewest]

guy couldnt even out work jermaine taylor....

[Amsterdam]

Kessler is OVER.....RATED!!!!

His timing is not that good....its his mechanics and accuracy that are good. Hopkins timing is amazing. This isnt even arguable.

But this is not a PRIME HOPKINS, this is a SHOT HOPKINS.

Big difference.:yep

[jecxbox]

I hope Calzaghe wins 12 rounds on Bhop lol, Just to prove to everyone how unbelievable Calzaghe is. They are nearly the same age, say what you want...But if he shuts Hopkins out like that it would be embarrassing.

[klion22]

B-HOP will look foolish in there, right now, kessler is twice the fighter bernard is,(and im a X fan) and look what Joe C did to kessler.

I doubt you're a B-hop fan. If you were, you wouldn't say that Calzaghe will make B-Hop look foolish because no one makes B-Hop look foolish.

[klion22]

guy couldnt even out work jermaine taylor....

Ah, but JT has POWER. Joe C doesn't. That's the difference.

[compukiller]

guy couldnt even out work jermaine taylor....

He out worked Winky Wright, something that Taylor could not do either.

[compukiller]

Styelwise Bhop poses issue's for Joe, but Joe poses more even for Bhop, he's a stylistic nightmare for Bhop with his in and out movement and workrate.

He doesn't make enough mistakes that he can't get away with because of his insane footspeed.



You talk like Bhop is in his prime. Kessler's speed and reflexes are well beyond the current Hopkins'.



Joe's a brilliant fighter and multi-dimensional, Kessler is not a defensive fighter, he's a boxer puncher, but he does have a solid defence and doesn't get tagged with anything stupid like a Jermain Taylor or Kelly Pavlik does.:yep



Andrade landed all of 90 punches out of 600-700 thrown, and Kessler was really laying into him with every combination he had, he was timing 4 shot combination's on Andrade's dome and didn't get tired even under pressure.

Bhop is a better counter puncher, no doubt, but with faded timing and faded reflexes he won't counter Joe as effectively as Kessler did.

He also doesn't have Kessler's power.


Did you know that Joe didn't even have sparring in preparation for the fight and almost had a nervous breakdown over personal problems the night before?

That was no 100% focused and trained Joe Calzaghe.

He's gonna have alot more problems after his execution date!:yep

[Amsterdam]

Ah, but JT has POWER. Joe C doesn't. That's the difference.

Joe hits harder than Taylor does. Taylor couldn't put away Ouma in a serious accumulation of his best shots, that's a show right there.

Don't be fooled by Pavlik almost getting stopped, that's just a showing of Pavlik's vulnerabilities.

[compukiller]

Joe hits harder than Taylor does. Taylor couldn't put away Ouma in a serious accumulation of his best shots, that's a show right there.

Don't be fooled by Pavlik almost getting stopped, that's just a showing of Pavlik's vulnerabilities.

Who has Joe C put away recently??

[sues2nd]

But this is not a PRIME HOPKINS, this is a SHOT HOPKINS.

Big difference.:yep

:lol:

Oh I forgot....

:roll:

[auggiewest]

He out worked Winky Wright, something that Taylor could not do either.


all 3 lose to calzaghe.

[sues2nd]

guy couldnt even out work jermaine taylor....

Taylor in most of his fights has a great workrate...what is your point?

He outlanded him and did so at a much higher %...isnt that what boxing is about, landing punches, not just throwing them....

:huh

[Rock0052]

The quote during Calzaghe-Kessler said it best: Joe spoils your boxing. He didn't get to where he is today by not ad******g in fights and fighting the fight that makes you look bad. You guys are acting like he's never seen lead rights before. The angles Joe throws from combined with that workrate are going to make Old Popkins' head spin.

At this point, I also think he's quick enough to dodge out of harm's way before Hopkins can land meaningful counters on him. Calzaghe's going to win a wide UD when they fight.:!:

[Amsterdam]

Who has Joe C put away recently??

Who has Taylor put away recently?:yep

Couldn't do it to Ouma, who has been dropped by 154 pounders and is badly outsized at MW.

Couldn't put away shaky jawed Spinks, even hitting him with some good counters here and there.

Couldn't put away Pavlik and had him reeling from a freak blow.

^^ All of those guys have dentable chins.

Meanwhile Calzaghe has fought recently -

Kessler - Never has been stunned by a head shot in 40 fights.

Manfredo - Bad stoppage of course, but Manfredo has not been stunned by many people, he has a much better chin than Ouma or Spinks P4P.

Bika - Guy doesn't have a great chin, but he's solid and is very durable and fought dirty to stay in.

Lacy - Any problems with Lacy's chin?

Now,

Does Taylor stop any of those guys and does Calzaghe stop any of Taylor's recent opponents?

I see Calzaghe stopping Pavlik, Ouma and Wright personally.

[sues2nd]

The quote during Calzaghe-Kessler said it best: Joe spoils your boxing. He didn't get to where he is today by not ad******g in fights and fighting the fight that makes you look bad. You guys are acting like he's never seen lead rights before. The angles Joe throws from combined with that workrate are going to make Old Popkins' head spin.

At this point, I also think he's quick enough to dodge out of harm's way before Hopkins can land meaningful counters on him. Calzaghe's going to win a wide UD when they fight.

You cant bring up Calzaghe spoiling others boxing without adding....

BUT, Hopkins is the best in the sport at it!

Its just unfair to do so. Noone in recent memory of the sport makes fighters fight their game like Bernard does.

This is not something you could put into a "strengths" category vs Bernard. Its why it isnt brought up often by the Calzaghe fanatics...because EVEN THEY know Bernard is better at doing it.

Sorry to burst ya bubble there bro...

[psychopath]

Bhops by a controversial boring decission.

:yep

[Kostya Zoo]

:amen

You are a person with common sense and logic. Indeed, a veteran like Hopkins would not have taken this fight unless if he was confident that he could pull out a win. If not win, look pretty good losing. He's not going to embarrass himself. Is there any other fighter alive today with as much ring intelligence and ring savvy as one Bernard Hopkins? I don't think so. He knows what he's doing every second he's in the ring.

When's the last time he's been hit with a clean right hand? I didn't see one against Winky, Tarver, 2X Taylor. That's already nearly 4 years.

Hopkins is going to have a plan that he will execute. He's not going to just go in there taking chances and not knowing what he's doing. He's going to study Joe C and expose his weaknesses just like he did with Tarver, Tito, and Winky.

I can't wait for this one. I just hope father time doesn't catch up to Hops. :klitfanb:

I am in complete agreement. Hopkins is as smart as they come and there's no way he would have taken the fight if he didn't think he could win. He'll have a great game plan, which I normally wouldn't think would be enough against Calzaghe, but I'd like to point out that the fight is in Vegas.

Come fight time there are so many variable in boxing that are out of the fighters' control (examples: ring size, gloves, referee, crowd, judges, weight class, etc.), and I am completely confident that all of these variable will favor Hopkins (think Mayweather vs. De La Hoya). Otherwise he would NOT have taken the fight. Regardless, superior talent can trump all this (again, Mayweather vs. De La Hoya). But if I were putting my money on Calzaghe, I'd be wary, but ONLY for this reason. Anywhere else, Calzaghe by comfortable UD.

[klion22]

Joe hits harder than Taylor does. Taylor couldn't put away Ouma in a serious accumulation of his best shots, that's a show right there.

Don't be fooled by Pavlik almost getting stopped, that's just a showing of Pavlik's vulnerabilities.

Well, i disagree. JT is a guy with explosive power. He doesn't have the thudding one punch power like a Miranda but because of the way he can put combinations together quickly, he can hurt you with a combination of speed/power.

Joe C is more of an accumulation puncher. He simply doesn't have the type of explosive power that JT has.

[thatboyelite]

At least this post made me laugh!!

[compukiller]

Who has Taylor put away recently?:yep

Couldn't do it to Ouma, who has been dropped by 154 pounders and is badly outsized at MW.

Couldn't put away shaky jawed Spinks, even hitting him with some good counters here and there.

Couldn't put away Pavlik and had him reeling from a freak blow.

^^ All of those guys have dentable chins.

Meanwhile Calzaghe has fought recently -

Kessler - Never has been stunned by a head shot in 40 fights.

Manfredo - Bad stoppage of course, but Manfredo has not been stunned by many people, he has a much better chin than Ouma or Spinks P4P.

Bika - Guy doesn't have a great chin, but he's solid and is very durable and fought dirty to stay in.

Lacy - Any problems with Lacy's chin?

Now,

Does Taylor stop any of those guys and does Calzaghe stop any of Taylor's recent opponents?

I see Calzaghe stopping Pavlik, Ouma and Wright personally.

Calzaghe got to Lacy with sheer volume. He hurt Kessler to the body, but never had him in any serious trouble. He slapped Manfredo 5 or 6 times in a row, and the ref jumped in.

Calzaghe would not stop Pavlik or Winky. His punches aren't built for Power.

[Amsterdam]

Calzaghe got to Lacy with sheer volume. He hurt Kessler to the body, but never had him in any serious trouble. He slapped Manfredo 5 or 6 times in a row, and the ref jumped in.

Calzaghe would not stop Pavlik or Winky. His punches aren't built for Power.

Pavlik has a weak chin and would get tagged at will by those left hooks from Joe and Winky would get brutalised in a horrible stylistic contrast that doesn't go to his favour and likely wouldn't make it to 12.

Calzaghe, when sitting down on a shot, is more powerful than Taylor and when he was prime, he actually had really good power.

[fatdrunkenslob]

:amen

You are a person with common sense and logic. Indeed, a veteran like Hopkins would not have taken this fight unless if he was confident that he could pull out a win. If not win, look pretty good losing. He's not going to embarrass himself. Is there any other fighter alive today with as much ring intelligence and ring savvy as one Bernard Hopkins? I don't think so. He knows what he's doing every second he's in the ring.

When's the last time he's been hit with a clean right hand? I didn't see one against Winky, Tarver, 2X Taylor. That's already nearly 4 years.

Hopkins is going to have a plan that he will execute. He's not going to just go in there taking chances and not knowing what he's doing. He's going to study Joe C and expose his weaknesses just like he did with Tarver, Tito, and Winky.

I can't wait for this one. I just hope father time doesn't catch up to Hops. :klitfanb:
I'm just glad there are others out there that can interject some common sense into this debate. Hopkins is not some 25 year old fighter who lets emotion dictate how and who he fights just because someone goaded him into it. Both him and RJJ were desperately clamoring to get a fight with Calzaghe more so than each other because they see something in Joe's style that they can neutralize and/or exploit in a big way(Please don't tell me it's just about money as both these guys are beyond wealthy already and are now fighting more for legacy than cash). Joe has a lot of speed and a high volume of punches but he is hardly the last word when it comes to defense. Neither RJJ or Hopkins are hyper active anymore and in fairness were not so much even during their primes and you can bet that they both know that Joe throws a lot of punches. These guys have been around the game a long time and are thinking fighters not crude brawlers that need to overwhelm their opponents to win. Trust me, if RJJ thought JC hit hard or could remote hurt him there's no way he would be so desperate to fight him and that much should be obvious. I'm not saying BHop wipes the floor with someone the caliber of Calzaghe but I wouldn't be surprised if he won convincingly and all these people that are saying that BHop is going to be shutout might be in for a big shock when the bell rings.

[spion]

I know Bernard feels his style is right to pick and choose his counters as Joe sometimes punches and falls into his punches, but I also see the Calzaghe workrate making Hopkins have to fight at a different pace. Long term I feel that Calzaghe will outwork Hopkins to a UD.

[rreed23]

Bernard just doesn't have the power to stop Calzaghe, Kessler hits twice as hard as B-hop and couldn't do enough damage

[MasterCalzaghe]

Calzaghe is obviously a talented fighter, but he has never seen anything like BHOP and has no real defense.

Those right hands from Nard will stop that "1,000 punches a fight" real quick. The southpaw stance will make it even more difficult for Calzaghe.

BHOP by brutal decision against a game, but befuddled and abused Calzaghe. :deal

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!! (sorry, was funnier second reading)