Khan Vs St Clair RBR [Archive] - East Side Boxing Forum

Dunky McCafferty

01-22-2008, 11:01 PM

Hey guys we dont get the fight in Australia are any of you guys planning on doing a RBR? Or do you know if there is somewhere on the net i can see it ? Thanks

Im sure someone will do a RBR on here fella. You excited about this one then?

Me, Im not really. Gairy was a fine fighter but hes seen better days, & the weight & height difference will play a big part. St Clairs only hope is to use his defensive skills to take Khan into the later rounds, as IMO Khan still has suspect stamina as hes had too many quick fights recently.
However, the saint isnt big enough for the job literally, or young enough & I see Khan picking him off from the outside & stopping the wee man at about the halfway stage.

daz52

01-23-2008, 01:24 AM

achillesthegreat

01-23-2008, 03:29 AM

I like this fight. St Clair is a champ from the weight below but lightweight shouldn't/isn't really an issue. A recent champ is still quite impressive. St Clair has mixed in good company. He is a nice name for Khan to fight.

The Lads

01-23-2008, 04:18 AM

It wasnt so long ago he was due to fight scott harrison, nobody complained about that fight (dunky). I believe it was when Guzman pulled out (wasnt it?).

Beeston Brawler

01-23-2008, 04:27 AM

Khan will blast him out!

elle

01-23-2008, 04:45 AM

dwilson

01-23-2008, 04:46 AM

Im very excited... I train with Gairy and hes in shape... He sparred 10 rounds today with 3 different fighters all much bigger then him and no one landed much at all he still has his great defensive skills intact... Hes fought bigger boys then Khan... My only worry in this fight is Gaz fighting an English fighter in England with 3 English judges and an English ref

This will have no affect on the outcome of the fight. You should be more aware of the fight he is fihting big punching khan with ref and set of judges all sponsored by ******.

daz52

01-23-2008, 05:23 AM

Diego Corrales was big punching it didnt upset Gairy.... Im well aware of what he is facing in Khan and its nothing he hasnt seen before and as i said even though his last 2 fights have ended in defeat Gairy is in no way past it and he is severly under estimated in this fight... Anyone actually trying to say Khan punches as hard an Chico who was 25-0 with with 21 KOs coming into the fight with Gairy?

The Lads

01-23-2008, 05:40 AM

Think Harrison was due to fight St Clair in May 2006 and he was a stand in at short notice after both Guzman and Honario withdrew.

Fast forward approx 18 months and Khan v St Clair is a different proposition. Harrison was a featherweight whereas Khan is a much taller and bigger lightweight - not to mention since that proposed match up St Clair has lost a couple of fights back to back.

That said he is a better opponent for Khan than Kristjansen in my opinion.

yeah I appreciate that, but people say Khan hasnt proved himself at british level, yet now he's fighting someone who people say was good enough to fight Harrison at world leve.

Dont get me wrong, as I said in another thread he'll go into survival mode form 5th onwards following some solid shots.

elle

01-23-2008, 05:58 AM

St Clair wasn't the first choice opponent for Harrison though or even the second - he was the third change of opponent at very short notice.

I'm still unconvinced by Khan (great prospect that he is) but I do hope the fight with St Clair does not turn out to be a mismatch on the night and enables us to see a bit more of what he is capable of.

The Lads

01-23-2008, 06:28 AM

No, and he isnt first choice for Khan either, you could say third choice if you take into account ******s offer to Thaxton. He was also "supposed" to fight Arthur too wasnt he!?! Its a good match up for such a novice fighter, but I think we'll see more of how khan fares with a defensive fighter, how he cuts the ring off etc... than we will how he copes with an offensive barrage.

elle

01-23-2008, 06:54 AM

The Lads - as I have already said St Clair is a better opponent for Khan than their first choice.

You are right about a proposed Arthur v St Clair match up but again that would have been at super featherweight and back in April 2006 - the St Clair that Khan will be facing has suffered a couple of more recent losses since then.

Don't think Thaxton fight was on the cards for Feb 2nd anyway - think that would have been April.

achillesthegreat

01-23-2008, 07:32 AM

Will people stop making the STUPID size claim. Khan can be 8 foot tall, the fact is he makes 135. Plus, he isn't THAT big. Doesn't appear to tower over Earl or Limond. St Clair is naturally 5 pounds lighter BUT surely makes up for that with ALOT more xperience. We are talking about a man who has mixed with champs at 135 and 140.

I don't know what people are on about to be honest. It's a good opponent. Better than the other guy who had a bogus ranking and padded record.

elle

01-23-2008, 07:54 AM

The Lads

01-23-2008, 08:31 AM

s it true that he knocked around a big heavyweight called Mad Mick?

he'd have to be a shit heavyweight to be knocked around by a featherweight.

The one thing I do wonder is if Khan will run out of ideas and become frustrated should gairy run and dodge his way through a few rounds.

I agree with elle, size and natural power is a big factor, especially if Khan gets his jab working early doors.

IronBull

01-23-2008, 10:40 AM

khan is about 5ft 7.

khan is not 5′ 10″. boxrec is wrong.

The Lads

01-23-2008, 10:53 AM

I think he's taller than 5ft 7, Ive met him on a few occassions and he aint 5 inches shorter than me (I dont think). I have a photo with him, Ali and Jamie somewhere, he's about same height as Moore who is down as 5 8 on boxrec - as you say though Boxrec is only good as a guide.

achillesthegreat

01-23-2008, 03:18 PM

Khan will have an advantage in weight and height - St Clair has fought as low as featherweight and is 5ft 4". Khan is a natural lightweight, looks big at the weight and is 5ft 10".

Whether or nor St Clair can compensate with experience remains to be seen on Feb 2nd but the observations about size are fair.
So what if he has a height advantage. Thats part of his physical assets. This is the same sort of issue as people hating on DLH for being bigger. If they make the weight, they make the weight.

St Clair has fought at 135 quite early in his career. Check his record. The guys weight fluctuates.

Fact is, he is proven from 126 to 140. The man has survived class acts like Dorin, Harris, Baloyi etc He is a quality operator and compiled a nice record.

People just want to pick holes in Khans opponents. Khans path to the top has been perfect...

...other than facing no punchers or Thaxton. Those two things are inevitable though!

Be honest. Khans original opponent was bollocks but this one is good.

achillesthegreat

01-23-2008, 03:19 PM

Khans probably about 5'8.5 me thinks.

Sprint

01-23-2008, 03:35 PM

Khans probably about 5'8.5 me thinks.

Probably correct, there is no way he is 5'10 having stood next to him on occasion he looks 5'8-5'9 at a push.

daz52

01-23-2008, 05:37 PM

I never heard of that Mad Mick thing no... Gairys in shape and confident! I just hope its a good fight may the best man win... Gairy has fought blokes bigger smaller and same size as Khan in the ring and in sparring and dont worry about being stopped hes never even had a knock down scored against him i dont see why you boys are so confident Khan is guna run over someone so skilled and experienced.

stake501

01-23-2008, 06:42 PM

Gairy has fought blokes bigger smaller and same size as Khan in the ring and in sparring and dont worry about being stopped hes never even had a knock down scored against him i dont see why you boys are so confident Khan is guna run over someone so skilled and experienced.

we know fwank:deal

Vantage_West

01-23-2008, 07:13 PM

khan is about 5ft 7.

khan is not 5′ 10″. boxrec is wrong.5'9 :deal he is no way that small against earl he was bending over to get to him and earl is 5'6...so 5'7 is wrong 5'8 is my hieght and he is biger than me but 5'10 just seems a bit much.

5'9 i think is the best bet

Vantage_West

01-23-2008, 07:14 PM

daz52

01-23-2008, 07:19 PM

haha im not gairy mate my names darren... is Khan really aggressive i havent seen much of him in oz?

LeadLeftHook

01-23-2008, 08:38 PM

RBR! This fight more than a week away.

Vantage_West

01-23-2008, 09:10 PM

haha im not gairy mate my names darren... is Khan really aggressive i havent seen much of him in oz?kinda, he stands behind the jab circles a bit throws a left hook or a right hand then makes a quick "charge" to keep you on your guard. technical and speedy but has a great right hand a good left hook.

he has the package, but it's defence which is the problem. he has a great offence as we know of byt destorying sluggers and awkward boxers but he gets hit alot when on the attack similar to zab judah,terry norris or shane mosley all of them have a great arsenal but defence wise they can get hit.

to be frank he's a stalker he uses his reach to keep you at bay while he backs you up and picks his shots.

he's not as bad as people say he is but he is niether the next sugar ray clay jones jr

oh and chin:hey
there is a huge rumor...almost made true by limond that he sufers from the softer jaw. to be honest he got tagged by limond and limond just seemed to piledrive him to the floor. he was knocked down before but it was defintly a slip.

anyways if any boxing fan dislikes a boxer it's usually the soft/glass/china/egg/wet paper jaw thing arises so it's maybe just blind hate

Dunky McCafferty

01-23-2008, 09:44 PM

It wasnt so long ago he was due to fight scott harrison, nobody complained about that fight (dunky). I believe it was when Guzman pulled out (wasnt it?).

Whoa there The Lads!

Im not saying Gairy is a bad opponent, I just think Khan is going to win this one quite easily as St Clair is too small. I rate Khan highly, & believe he will catch St Clair on the outside, & stop him before the halfway stage.
St Clair was a fine fighter in his day, but I think hes slightly past it now. Not shot, just a little past his best.

So I see it being quite an easy nights work for Khan, as I rate the Bolton lad highly. Like Earl before him, I think Gairy is made for Khan. However, St Clir has a good defence, & if he can take Khan into the later rounds things could get interesting as I think Khan isnt comfortable yet in long fights. Thats where Gairys hope lies. Take Khan into the later rounds.

Put it this way, if Khan wins early, you wont find me in here moaning. I will be congratulating Khan on a another fine performance.

daz52

01-23-2008, 10:20 PM

Whoa there The Lads!

Im not saying Gairy is a bad opponent, I just think Khan is going to win this one quite easily as St Clair is too small. I rate Khan highly, & believe he will catch St Clair on the outside, & stop him before the halfway stage.
St Clair was a fine fighter in his day, but I think hes slightly past it now. Not shot, just a little past his best.

So I see it being quite an easy nights work for Khan, as I rate the Bolton lad highly. Like Earl before him, I think Gairy is made for Khan. However, St Clir has a good defence, & if he can take Khan into the later rounds things could get interesting as I think Khan isnt comfortable yet in long fights. Thats where Gairys hope lies. Take Khan into the later rounds.

Put it this way, if Khan wins early, you wont find me in here moaning. I will be congratulating Khan on a another fine performance.

Def a good post... I see what your saying but i believe Gairy has been in there when people said way too small eg the Corrales fight but has always comes thru and i beleiev he will take Khan in to the late stages and deeper waters... Hope its a good one and hope someone does the RBR for me

Dunky McCafferty

01-23-2008, 11:00 PM

Def a good post... I see what your saying but i believe Gairy has been in there when people said way too small eg the Corrales fight but has always comes thru and i beleiev he will take Khan in to the late stages and deeper waters... Hope its a good one and hope someone does the RBR for me

Thanks Daz52:good
Put it this way, if Gairy proves me wrong? I dont mind. I rate Khan very highly as a fighter & think he will go all the way in the sport, but Im not a true fan, as Im only a true fan of scottish fighters.

So I class myself as a neutral on these occasions, just posting my thoughts on how the fight will go. Its a good fight, & may the best man win. I would do a RBR, but Im not sure if I will be home, as I usually go round to my pals house to watch the boxing.
Im sure someone here will do it though, theyre a good bunch in here.

dwilson

01-24-2008, 04:37 AM

In all honesty I do not see this fight going past four rounds. It will be another good performance from Khan beating another fighter who although is good is almost tailored for the young man.

elle

01-24-2008, 06:12 AM

So what if he has a height advantage. Thats part of his physical assets. This is the same sort of issue as people hating on DLH for being bigger. If they make the weight, they make the weight.

St Clair has fought at 135 quite early in his career. Check his record. The guys weight fluctuates.

Fact is, he is proven from 126 to 140. The man has survived class acts like Dorin, Harris, Baloyi etc He is a quality operator and compiled a nice record.

People just want to pick holes in Khans opponents. Khans path to the top has been perfect...

...other than facing no punchers or Thaxton. Those two things are inevitable though!

Be honest. Khans original opponent was bollocks but this one is good.

I'm not disputing the fact St Clair has dabbled in other weights in the past. You invited me to look at his record so I have - his last 10 fights over the past 3/4 years have mainly been at featherweight (6) or superfeatherweight (3) with the exception of his last one which was at lightweight.

I presume you mean by 'survived' opponents like Dorin, Harris & Baloyi that he didn't get KO'ed as he suffered back to back losses to the first two and although he originally beat Baloyi he subsequently lost in a rematch.

Its not that people just want to criticise Khan's opponents - the difference in weight/height is a reasonable observation to make and isn't made purely to discredit the vastly experienced St Clair.

I disagree however that Khan's path to the top has been perfect - almost but not quite. I suspect thats why his most memorable fight to date was against Limond.

Be honest you say? I have already stated twice in this thread that St Clair is a more decent opponent than the dane so on that we agree.

elle

01-24-2008, 06:15 AM

khan is about 5ft 7.

khan is not 5′ 10″. boxrec is wrong.

If boxrec is wrong then it would appear so is Khan's fans site that YOU run.

Doesn't 1.78m = 5ft 10?

achillesthegreat

01-24-2008, 07:18 AM

I'm not disputing the fact St Clair has dabbled in other weights in the past. You invited me to look at his record so I have - his last 10 fights over the past 3/4 years have mainly been at featherweight (6) or superfeatherweight (3) with the exception of his last one which was at lightweight.

I presume you mean by 'survived' opponents like Dorin, Harris & Baloyi that he didn't get KO'ed as he suffered back to back losses to the first two and although he originally beat Baloyi he subsequently lost in a rematch.

Its not that people just want to criticise Khan's opponents - the difference in weight/height is a reasonable observation to make and isn't made purely to discredit the vastly experienced St Clair.

I disagree however that Khan's path to the top has been perfect - almost but not quite. I suspect thats why his most memorable fight to date was against Limond.

Be honest you say? I have already stated twice in this thread that St Clair is a more decent opponent than the dane so on that we agree.
We are talking about a man whose weight has fluctuated his whole career from 126 to 140. He is proven to be competent at all those weights. He is most proven at 130 due to being a champ there. That is only 5 pounds south of Khan and his last fight was at 135.

He survived Dorins accumulation attack and Harris punch power. That is proof that he can handle size. That is the point many are making. If you question his skills well beating Baloyi and being a champ isn't too shabby.

Khans road to the top has been great I think. In his past few fights he has fought Commonwealth champ, English champ, former domestic kingpin and now a former champ. He had 10 fights to wet his feet and he's been doing good since. No doubt hes been protected from punchers but his record is extremely good.

People shouldn't play the 'khan is too big size', he is a lightweight, end of.

GSC is better than the Dane, I'm happy. I think the Dane was an awful fight, especially considering he could fight Thaxton.

Ghoulie

01-24-2008, 07:41 AM

Khan is good. interesting fight to see how good he is at this stage

brown bomber

01-24-2008, 08:13 AM

If boxrec is wrong then it would appear so is Khan's fans site that YOU run.

Doesn't 1.78m = 5ft 10?Khan is a 5ft 9 i reckon i'm a tiny bit taller then he is.

elle

01-24-2008, 09:37 AM

We are talking about a man whose weight has fluctuated his whole career from 126 to 140. He is proven to be competent at all those weights. He is most proven at 130 due to being a champ there. That is only 5 pounds south of Khan and his last fight was at 135.

He survived Dorins accumulation attack and Harris punch power. That is proof that he can handle size. That is the point many are making. If you question his skills well beating Baloyi and being a champ isn't too shabby.

Khans road to the top has been great I think. In his past few fights he has fought Commonwealth champ, English champ, former domestic kingpin and now a former champ. He had 10 fights to wet his feet and he's been doing good since. No doubt hes been protected from punchers but his record is extremely good.

People shouldn't play the 'khan is too big size', he is a lightweight, end of.

GSC is better than the Dane, I'm happy. I think the Dane was an awful fight, especially considering he could fight Thaxton.

I don't disagree that St Clair is a decent enough opponent for Khan at this stage.

Yes he has mixed with some quality but his record suggests he has a tendency to come up short against the most notable.

What I like about this match up is that we may see Khan get some more rounds under his belt as St Clair, although clearly past his peak, seems quite durable. He does come into this fight on the back of some poor recent results though which may be part of the reason ****** chose him as a stand in for the dane. ****** is not likely to put Khan in with anyone who he considers a threat yet judging by their original hand picked choice of opponent.

I think we will have to agree to disagree about the weight/height/reach advantage. I've watched some of the clips that have been posted of St Clair and he looks tiny to me. Also I recall Khan saying himself that he was struggling to make the weight just before the Lawton fight. If St Clair does not look diminutive compared to Khan come Feb 2nd I will be the first to admit it.

elle

01-24-2008, 11:18 AM

Khan is a 5ft 9 i reckon i'm a tiny bit taller then he is.

Boxrec have you down as 5ft 10 so that sounds about right!

Who are the trio in your current avatar Jeff?

faisal

01-24-2008, 12:21 PM

I don't disagree that St Clair is a decent enough opponent for Khan at this stage.

Yes he has mixed with some quality but his record suggests he has a tendency to come up short against the most notable.

What I like about this match up is that we may see Khan get some more rounds under his belt as St Clair, although clearly past his peak, seems quite durable. He does come into this fight on the back of some poor recent results though which may be part of the reason ****** chose him as a stand in for the dane. ****** is not likely to put Khan in with anyone who he considers a threat yet judging by their original hand picked choice of opponent.

I think we will have to agree to disagree about the weight/height/reach advantage. I've watched some of the clips that have been posted of St Clair and he looks tiny to me. Also I recall Khan saying himself that he was struggling to make the weight just before the Lawton fight. If St Clair does not look diminutive compared to Khan come Feb 2nd I will be the first to admit it.
elle he struggled to make weight in the lawton fight because he was observing ramadan, he was able to make weight without a problem in the earl fight

elle

01-24-2008, 12:36 PM

elle he struggled to make weight in the lawton fight because he was observing ramadan, he was able to make weight without a problem in the earl fight

Apparently Khan opted not to observe ramadan fasting in the build up to that fight.

Quote from Khan article October 2007:

"It would be hard for me to do the fasting for Ramadan. From 5am to 7pm you are fasting and its hard to train during that period and keep your metabolism right so I can make the weight. My faith is everything to me and it has got me to where I am today but it was just too hard to do the fasting this time".

SevenSamurai

01-24-2008, 01:11 PM

I will do a RBR on this fight for sure.

I think that although St Clair has fought a high calibre of opponents, and is a far superior fighter to the original choice who pulled out, that Khan is on another level.

This is a very good fight for Khan at this stage, but rest assured ****** does not match his prize asset against anyone who could smash his china. St Clair is not a big puncher, he cannot be, despite his better KO % compared to Khans previous opponents.

I expect Khan to take St Clair out inside 6-8 rounds.

achillesthegreat

01-25-2008, 03:14 AM

I don't disagree that St Clair is a decent enough opponent for Khan at this stage.

Yes he has mixed with some quality but his record suggests he has a tendency to come up short against the most notable.

What I like about this match up is that we may see Khan get some more rounds under his belt as St Clair, although clearly past his peak, seems quite durable. He does come into this fight on the back of some poor recent results though which may be part of the reason ****** chose him as a stand in for the dane. ****** is not likely to put Khan in with anyone who he considers a threat yet judging by their original hand picked choice of opponent.

I think we will have to agree to disagree about the weight/height/reach advantage. I've watched some of the clips that have been posted of St Clair and he looks tiny to me. Also I recall Khan saying himself that he was struggling to make the weight just before the Lawton fight. If St Clair does not look diminutive compared to Khan come Feb 2nd I will be the first to admit it.
Agreed. I'm saying GSC is a quality opponent at this stage of his career.

I too like that GSC might give Khan some rounds for experience.

I agree Khan is a big guy for his weight but if he makes the weight, he makes the weight. I disagree that he is HUGE for is weight. Plus, I haven't heard him say he struggles to make weight. I don't think so anyway.

elle

01-25-2008, 04:00 AM

Agreed. I'm saying GSC is a quality opponent at this stage of his career.

I too like that GSC might give Khan some rounds for experience.

I agree Khan is a big guy for his weight but if he makes the weight, he makes the weight. I disagree that he is HUGE for is weight. Plus, I haven't heard him say he struggles to make weight. I don't think so anyway.

Just so there is no misunderstanding, I've never said Khan is huge at lightweight.

I clearly remember Khan saying he struggled to make the weight a couple of fights back (Lawton) as I posted about it at the time.

alpo1

01-25-2008, 01:27 PM

Just so there is no misunderstanding, I've never said Khan is huge at lightweight.

I clearly remember Khan saying he struggled to make the weight a couple of fights back (Lawton) as I posted about it at the time.

That was during Ramadan. He was fasting before that fight

elle

01-25-2008, 03:11 PM

As I've already mentioned, this quote from a Khan article Oct 2007 suggests otherwise:

"It would be hard for me to do the fasting for Ramadan. From 5am to 7pm you are fasting and its hard to train during that period and keep your metabolism right so I can make the weight. My faith is everything to me and it has got me to where I am today but it was just too hard to do the fasting this time".

SevenSamurai

01-27-2008, 04:50 PM

I think that we can all agree that it is ridiculous for Khan to be fighting at lightweight for very much longer. Given his age, he is able to make the weight just, however over the next 3-4 years he will be forced to move up, as his performances will suffer otherwise.

He is listed as 5 10 on boxrec and he will be fighting a guy listed as 5 4.

He has looked absolutely huge against alot of his opponents.

Its an advantage he should continue to milk while he can, and while he shows the discipline to train hard and stay at lightweight.

He will fight at welterweight later on in his career for sure.