Who hit hardest??? [Archive] - East Side Boxing Forum

Vantage_West

07-07-2007, 02:13 PM

Vantage_West

07-07-2007, 02:14 PM

Earnie Shavers hits hardest. From that list i would pick Foreman whos propably the 2nd hardest puncher of all time.hardest hitting heavywieght champion you might say:think

Grabonator

07-07-2007, 02:15 PM

george gets it for me for his even untrained style he was hiting so hard
lewis comes secound his right hand is as hard as anyone can hit
then tyson his double barrage his handspeed and one shot power gave him a streak of koes

Tyson is not one of the 5 hardest hitter of all time IMO. But he had the best mixture of power, speed and skill so he was a verry good puncher and maybe the most dangerous in his prime, but not the hardest punching one.

*BOX_FAN*

07-07-2007, 02:19 PM

Mike Tyson I think. That was destroyer :!:

T.S.

07-07-2007, 02:32 PM

All time hardest hitter: George Foreman
All time P4P hitter: Rocky Marciano

mightyd40

07-07-2007, 02:37 PM

i voted tyson and would give sonny liston the silver medal

Bubba

07-07-2007, 02:37 PM

Tyson threw combinations like a welterweight.

With the power of a heavyweight!!

RUSKULL

07-07-2007, 03:43 PM

Joe Louis. Hard, compact, inside punches and power in both hands.

Drill-o-matic, you didn't vote did you?

RUSKULL

07-07-2007, 03:50 PM

Joe Louis

Well vote for him then!

Toopretty

07-07-2007, 03:53 PM

Tyson threw combinations like a welterweight.

With the power of a heavyweight!!

To me Tyson was the best puncher of all time.. no doubt. His combos were wicked and he tagged body and head. But Foreman if you are talking about raw power. No doubt. put any of these guys in the ring with him prime for prime they would not stand toe to toe.

sues2nd

07-07-2007, 03:55 PM

That list its easily Foreman, but Shavers hit even harder than him.......

Toopretty

07-07-2007, 03:55 PM

Whomever Voted For Lennox Lewis Should Be Back Slapped!!!!!!!!!:beat :beat :beat :beat :beat :beat :beat :beat :beat :beat

jopez707

07-07-2007, 03:59 PM

Foreman is in my opinion. He was just so devestating, followed closely by Tyson and Liston.

Mrboogie23

07-07-2007, 04:01 PM

I voted for George Foreman, followed closely by Tyson

nulty

07-07-2007, 04:02 PM

To me Tyson was the best puncher of all time.. no doubt. His combos were wicked and he tagged body and head. But Foreman if you are talking about raw power. No doubt. put any of these guys in the ring with him prime for prime they would not stand toe to toe.

That's stupid have you seen any of the guys fight? Do think Marciano for example would try to work behind his jab?

RUSKULL

07-07-2007, 04:03 PM

:lol:

One could argue that Rocky was an ATG puncher, especially pound for pound.

Anybody that ever boxed against him said that even his punches that landed on the arms hurt like hell & ended up bringing the fighters hands down because they hurt too much to hold them up anymore.

RUSKULL

07-07-2007, 04:05 PM

Whomever Voted For Lennox Lewis Should Be Back Slapped!!!!!!!!!:beat :beat :beat :beat :beat :beat :beat :beat :beat :beat

Lennox Lewis was a devastating puncher, what's your point? Have you seen his KO of Razor Ruddock? How about his KO vs. Rahman, Golota or Tyson?

EpsilonAxis

07-07-2007, 04:05 PM

Probably Foreman or Lewis, IMO. Maybe Shavers or Tyson after those two.

Toopretty

07-07-2007, 04:09 PM

That's stupid have you seen any of the guys fight? Do think Marciano for example would try to work behind his jab?

seems like majority agree with me..what the hell are you talking about. Standing toe to toe with foreman is suicide period. Marciano was a crude slugger but in toe to toe battle with foreman I say foreman beats the Rock. Period. Ask the toe to toe slugger joe frazier or norton about it. I am talking about a fighter that fought other great fighters...not marciano fighting a 40+ year old Joe out of retirement.:think:think:think:think:think:think:think:fuckoff:fuckoff:fuckoff:fuckoff:fuckoff

nulty

07-07-2007, 04:13 PM

seems like majority agree with me..what the hell are you talking about. Standing toe to toe with foreman is suicide period. Marciano was a crude slugger but in toe to toe battle with foreman I say foreman beats the Rock. Period. Ask the toe to toe slugger joe frazier or norton about it. I am talking about a fighter that fought other great fighters...not marciano fighting a 40+ year old Joe out of retirement.:think:think:think:think:think:think:think:fuckoff:fuckoff:fuckoff:fuckoff:fuckoff

Going toe toe with foreman may be suicide but a leopard doesn't change it's spots fighters are who they are. PS as regards your marciano hate 49-0 motherfucker.

RightCross

07-07-2007, 04:13 PM

All time hardest hitter: George Foreman
All time P4P hitter: Rocky Marciano

Quoted for truthfullness

Toopretty

07-07-2007, 04:14 PM

Lennox Lewis was a devastating puncher, what's your point? Have you seen his KO of Razor Ruddock? How about his KO vs. Rahman, Golota or Tyson?

Yeah I did....So, Lewis has power in his str8 right hand from range. He is a tall heavyweight that weighs 260 pounds plus. He does not have the raw power of Foreman. So no way he is close. And he koed a 36 year old tyson(washed up)..I bet you are a brit...

nulty

07-07-2007, 04:20 PM

ummmm

valuev almost beat that record

what does that say about records?

He didn't beat it though did he? And he was never the true champ.

RightCross

07-07-2007, 04:22 PM

ummmm

valuev almost beat that record

what does that say about records?

If you can;t see through a Valuev record and a Marciano record who was undisputed HW champ then you have no insight into boxing and that cannot be helped.

Marciano was not protected in his midcareer much unlike valuev who was protected almost entirely throughout his career.

Marciano might not have had the single hardest punch he was was the hardest consistent puncher. Remember Marciano threw 50-70 punches a round very often.

RUSKULL

07-07-2007, 04:23 PM

Yeah I did....So, Lewis has power in his str8 right hand from range. He is a tall heavyweight that weighs 260 pounds plus. He does not have the raw power of Foreman. So no way he is close. And he koed a 36 year old tyson(washed up)..I bet you are a brit...

Not even close. Read my location.

I always appreciated Lewis and knew he would be an ATG.

RUSKULL

07-07-2007, 04:24 PM

ummmm

valuev almost beat that record

what does that say about records?

Dude, you still didn't vote for Louis yet..................

Oops, my bad.

GABBY

07-07-2007, 04:27 PM

Earnie Shavers hits hardest. From that list i would pick Foreman whos propably the 2nd hardest puncher of all time.

defo agree with shavers:thumbsup

nulty

07-07-2007, 04:29 PM

defo agree with shavers:thumbsup

Spot on, you only have to shake the mans hand to get an idea of his power.

nulty

07-07-2007, 04:45 PM

He was a champ though, wasn't he? Records are just numbers, it's who you beat that counts. If Marciano makes his legacy off beating past their prime LHW's and getting outboxed by a near journeyman in Walcott before landing a big punch than so be it. I'm not even gonna bring up the Louis fight, as we all know the conditions of that one.

I'll ask you what I ask everyone on this issue. Who should rocky have fought instead of the guys he did?

kg0208

07-07-2007, 04:47 PM

Yeah I did....So, Lewis has power in his str8 right hand from range. He is a tall heavyweight that weighs 260 pounds plus. He does not have the raw power of Foreman. So no way he is close. And he koed a 36 year old tyson(washed up)..I bet you are a brit...

We are not referring to power based on the relative size of the fighter. Lewis hit nearly as hard as Foreman. His size doesn't somehow diminish this.

kg0208

07-07-2007, 04:49 PM

I'll ask you what I ask everyone on this issue. Who should rocky have fought instead of the guys he did?

It's not about that. I am not going to complain about the guys that Marciano fought, because he fought the best guys he could. That doesn't mean that when we start comparing accomplishments and ranking HW's that the weakness of his era will not be used against him. It's done against every fighter.

Ethan Trims

07-07-2007, 04:58 PM

There were a few out there he didn't fight, but you can't fight everybody, so I don't fault him for that. What I do fault him for is retiring right before a young'n by the name of Floyd Patterson got a crack at him, and Liston after that. Both would've smoked him.

Marciano is overrated because of his lack of competition and for the simple fact that so many other ATG HW's could've beaten him, and probably would've. Head to head he isn't in the top 10, as far as accomplishments goes he is.

Every fighter is overrated or underrated by someone.

Marciano being a 180 5'9 fighter, knocked out plenty of big men, hence his possibility at being the hardest P4P puncher.

Thats your opinion that he would of gotten destroyed and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. He retired at the peak of his career. Dont be a fukin moron.

nulty

07-07-2007, 04:59 PM

There were a few out there he didn't fight, but you can't fight everybody, so I don't fault him for that. What I do fault him for is retiring right before a young'n by the name of Floyd Patterson got a crack at him, and Liston after that. Both would've smoked him.

Marciano is overrated because of his lack of competition and for the simple fact that so many other ATG HW's could've beaten him, and probably would've. Head to head he isn't in the top 10, as far as accomplishments goes he is.

Patterson was a green kid and Liston was in jail when marciano retired. Rocky would have had to hang around and likely fight guys he already beat for medicore money. Saying Marciano ducked Patterson is like saying Lewis ducked one of the current prospects.

kg0208

07-07-2007, 04:59 PM

Every fighter is overrated or underrated by someone.

Marciano being a 180 5'9 fighter, knocked out plenty of big men, hence his possibility at being the hardest P4P puncher.

Thats your opinion that he would of gotten destroyed and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. He retired at the peak of his career. Dont be a fukin moron.

He has never been recognized as the hardest p4p puncher. Even by the criteria you just mention....Fitzsimmons was a MW who KO'd HW's. That would make him a harder puncher.

Rollo

07-07-2007, 05:38 PM

That list its easily Foreman, but Shavers hit even harder than him.......

Quick Tillis said that Tyson hit harder than Acorn - and he should know.

El Bombasto

07-07-2007, 05:59 PM

I went with Big George, because I have seen most of his fights, but I could have gone with Baer as well

jonesjrp4p1

07-08-2007, 12:47 AM

tyson
liston
foreman

Marciano Frazier

07-08-2007, 01:21 AM

ummmm

valuev almost beat that record

what does that say about records? Um, that record hasn't been beaten by a heavyweight in over 50 years since it was set. What does that say about it?
Valuev almost "beat" the record by building it up against sub-top-100 opposition for almost his entire first 40 fights, getting a pair of questionable decisions against a couple of old, mediocre opponents to grab a phony belt, then fighting utterly hand-picked opposition, and he still couldn't make it. Even if he had reached 49-0, it wouldn't have been legitimate because he wasn't champion. Larry Holmes was the closest to legitimately breaking Marciano's record, and Holmes was an all-time great.

The people disparaging Marciano and laughing at his being ranked the hardest hitter pound-for-pound aren't really being reasonable. However, I think that, in terms of straight one-to-one punching power, Foreman and possibly a couple other guys on the list are ahead of him.

brooklyn1550

07-08-2007, 01:41 AM

"Big" George Foreman

Johnnyblaze

07-08-2007, 02:02 AM

For me it's a tie between Tyson and Big George. But Marciano hit the hardest for his weight. He's a close 3rd, but he weighed like 190lbs!!

brooklyn1550

07-08-2007, 02:08 AM

Marciano had bone crushing power for being 185-190 pounds...can you image Marciano today in the cruiserweight division? He would KO everybody.

DanePugilist

07-08-2007, 04:08 AM

There are definately some hardhitters down history - I am going with my man Tyson though on this one, but didn't Max Baer kill two guys in the ring? Nonetheless modern time, I go for Tyson.

hobgoblin

07-08-2007, 04:30 AM

lewis hits harder than foreman because his technique is MUCH BETTER

Muskyrat

07-08-2007, 05:38 AM

Earnie Shavers hits hardest. From that list i would pick Foreman whos propably the 2nd hardest puncher of all time.
agreed totally

Ali reckoned shavers hit harder than foreman an so did a couple of others who fought em both.

Holmes said when shavers hit him he was unconcious immediatly and it was the bang when he hit the canvas that woke him up

Uphercut

07-08-2007, 07:34 AM

Ali fought Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Lyle and Shavers and said that Earnie hit the hardest.

End of Story Shavers' right is the hardest single punch in heavyweight history.

Uphercut

07-08-2007, 07:36 AM

He has never been recognized as the hardest p4p puncher. Even by the criteria you just mention....Fitzsimmons was a MW who KO'd HW's. That would make him a harder puncher.

P4P Jimmy Wilde anyone?

Marciano Frazier

07-09-2007, 03:06 PM

He retired at his peak, what is with that? He played it safe, he wasn't on the slide or anything, there was no reason to retire except for fear of getting smoked by one of the up-and-comers(Patterson). Most people retire when they feel they don't have it anymore, not when they are concerned about keeping their record. Why don't you read his biographies, listen to his own statements and the statements of people around him instead of coming up with whatever reason you like best and then inserting it into history? Marciano retired because: A. He was losing his motivation in training and his vigor for fighting, B. His family had been pressuring him to retire for some time, C. He was fed up with his manager, who was a control freak, had been taking huge cuts of his money, and who he had recently found out had embezzled $10,000 he should've gotten for the Cockell fight, and D. there was no serious big money fight to be made at the time. Patterson hadn't done anything very noteworthy at heavyweight when Marciano retired, and most sportswriters thought he would have to rematch Moore to get serious competition.