Fighters Whos Legacy Are Intact Even If They Lose In Their Remaining Fights. [Archive]

angelos

01-24-2008, 03:03 AM

Ive read lot of opinions that certain fighters will tarnish their legacy if they continue on fighting. But I think some fighters have already secured their status in boxing that even if they lose in their future bouts their legacy remains intact. Some of these boxers are:
1. ODLH
2. RJJ
3. MORALES
4. BARRERA
5. TRINIDAD

PATSYS

01-24-2008, 03:06 AM

Beeston Brawler

01-24-2008, 03:42 AM

Mayweather

Sweet Pea

01-24-2008, 03:44 AM

MayweatherNo.

196osh

01-24-2008, 03:45 AM

Mayweather

So if he was to lose to Cotto in his prime, that wouldnt tarnish his legacy? :huh

cardstars

01-24-2008, 03:45 AM

Mayweather

:-(

theunderdog

01-24-2008, 03:52 AM

morales

McGrain

01-24-2008, 04:33 AM

Calzaghe.

Nice thread by the way. I mis-read the title though.

RealIzm

01-24-2008, 04:40 AM

:lol: :rofl

Oh wait, you were serious?:lol: :lol: :lol: Welcome to planet Calzaghe....Id say if a 43 year old used to be good fighter clowns him like Barrera did Hamed I would say it does more than tarnish Joes legacy..
It throws a steamy pile of shit on it

McGrain

01-24-2008, 04:43 AM

:lol: :rofl

Oh wait, you were serious?

No.

I totally mis-read the thread, I thought it was fighters whose legacy would be damaged if they lost in their remaining fights. It's early.

Hrak

01-24-2008, 04:47 AM

1.) Roy Jones - clearly not the same fighter as he once was
2.) Jose Louis Castillo - became shot after in the Corrales fights
3.) Oleg Maskaev- already has 5 brutal losses, classic overachiever
4.) Glen Johnson- has 11 losses, nuf said
5.) James Toney - been going downhill for a while

RealIzm

01-24-2008, 04:47 AM

Roy Jones Jr

PATSYS

01-24-2008, 07:32 AM

Mayweather You kidding, right? PBF's next few fights he will really be placed under close scrutiny. He is still considered at the prime of his career.

FlatNose

01-24-2008, 07:49 AM

So if he was to lose to Cotto in his prime, that wouldnt tarnish his legacy? :huh

It would tarnish Mayweather legacy if he REFUSED to fight Cotto in his prime. How does a fighter get a legacy in the first place?
He beats all the top contenders!

BewareofDawg

01-24-2008, 07:57 AM

Hopkins
Jones
Tito
Hoya
Floyd
Mosley
Wright
Barrera
Pac
Morales
JMM
Toney

cpnasty

01-24-2008, 10:06 AM

Mosley

Asterion

01-24-2008, 10:25 AM

Intact even if they lose some more fights?....I don't think so.

I think there will be always some consequences for the losses, even if they are minimal.

It is simple: a legassy will always look better without the losses late in the career.

Asterion

01-24-2008, 10:25 AM

Hopkins
Jones
Tito
Hoya
Floyd
Mosley
Wright
Barrera
Pac
Morales
JMM
Toney

Is this a joke?

teeto

01-24-2008, 10:28 AM

Basically either the fighters that are past-prime or fighters that have done so well already that ONE LOSS cant take away from it

Brickhaus

01-24-2008, 10:43 AM

Peter Buckley

Beeston Brawler

01-24-2008, 10:46 AM

Peter Buckley

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Now you mention it, I wonder who holds the record for the most losses in a career. I bet our Pete won't be far off with 249. To be fair, he has been in with some decent opponents!

Naz and Ingle are two which spring to mind.

Do you reckon guys like him get paid a few bob just to take a loss - he hasn't been stopped too many times!

T.S.

01-24-2008, 10:48 AM

Tyson
Foreman
Holmes
Julio Cesar Chavez
Tsyzu
To name a few...

albeziel

01-24-2008, 11:13 AM

Mr. Hopkins (can't ask more for that guy)

DamonD

01-24-2008, 11:39 AM

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Now you mention it, I wonder who holds the record for the most losses in a career. I bet our Pete won't be far off with 249. To be fair, he has been in with some decent opponents!

Naz and Ingle are two which spring to mind.

Do you reckon guys like him get paid a few bob just to take a loss - he hasn't been stopped too many times!
Reggie Strickland, for one, is way ahead of him with 300+ losses.

But Buckley is still a legend. They outta have a catch-weight bout between him and Reggie.

IsaL

01-24-2008, 11:59 AM

Is this a joke?

If Duran decides to strap on the gloves and fights and loses to Gatti, is his legacy tarnished?

Beeston Brawler

01-24-2008, 12:11 PM

According to Boxrec 276 losses, with 66 wins. I would imagine most of wins were early in career - imagine losing to him towards the end of his career - how embarrassing!

Beeston Brawler

01-24-2008, 12:12 PM

Roberto Duran would not lose to Gatti, even now!

My grandmother could have stopped Gatti in his last couple of fights. I just wish someone close to him could have told him the damage he was doing to himself taking all that punishment, from welterweights as well, when Gatti made his name at super feather!

C HOP

01-24-2008, 02:26 PM

Shannon briggs

196osh

01-24-2008, 02:28 PM

Bernard Hopkins.

CASH_718

01-24-2008, 02:31 PM

So if he was to lose to Cotto in his prime, that wouldnt tarnish his legacy? :huhMayweather is in his prime???

angelos

01-24-2008, 08:13 PM

Tyson
Foreman
Holmes
Julio Cesar Chavez
Tsyzu
To name a few...

Yah, I forgot about iron Mike.This guy has also secured his legacy in boxing.
But im doubtful about Pacman, Calzaghe and Mayweather. If they lose in their next fights Im sure lots of boxing Fans and haters will be shitting on their accomplishments.

hmi

01-24-2008, 08:20 PM

Basically boxers who are already way past their prime will be qualified here. And also those boxers who keep on losing that a few more loses won't hurt anymore.

saul_ir34

01-24-2008, 08:38 PM

Mayweathers whole legacy is about being undefeated.
Since:
A. He has not been in any real wars
B. Is considered by many as boring
C. He climbed to 140 and up he has not picked the toughest fight but the easier bigger money fights.
D. People will look at his record 20 years from now and the only ATG that will be on there is ODLH (so far) and that is due to Oscars popularity mostly which might put him on the top 100. Jose Luis Castillo and Corrales might be there but doubt it.

So yes if he loses thats his whole legacy. However he has the skills to build a real legacy and the opponents too. WW is loaded with talent.
Greatness is there for them if they want it!! someone take it...

T.S.

01-24-2008, 08:54 PM

Also...
Ali
Joe Louis
James Braddock (Thanks to the movie)
Tommy Hearns

PedroDePacas

01-24-2008, 09:32 PM

Hopkins and Mosley

Beeston Brawler

01-25-2008, 03:51 AM

I don't think being updefeated is a bad thing, particularly if it means going through five weight divisions against some bloody good opponents and beating all of them!

I think your referring to Sven Ottke!

eliqueiros

01-25-2008, 04:08 AM

You kidding, right? PBF's next few fights he will really be placed under close scrutiny. He is still considered at the prime of his career.

Yeah, the anger he generates is because he is the champ who is not taking on the responsibility of being a champ. This is like Oscar not wanting to fight Trinidad or Sugar Ray saying Tommy Hearns is good but doesn't bring the money in for a fight or Morales calling himself better than Ali and Robinson without fighting Barrera. Floyd is still the new guy despite what he thinks and if he retires will only be seen as who he should have fought.

eliqueiros

01-25-2008, 04:17 AM

Basically boxers who are already way past their prime will be qualified here. And also those boxers who keep on losing that a few more loses won't hurt anymore.

You're right, the question is such that a boxer's greatness has to be in the past so you can see it clearly. As in Sugar Ray's fight against Camacho, though he looked terrible, takes nothing away from his prime. But the fighters still have to be active. For me its;

Hopkins
ODLH
Trinidad
MAB
Morales
Mosley