Vladimir Virchis and the WBC eliminator

[Tunney5]

According to the Ukrainian boxing website [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Vladimir Virchis will be fighting March 8 in Germany on a Universum-promoted boxing event, "Night of the Champions" - regardless of whether Gomez will be the opponent or not.

Does anyone know who his opponent will be? Is JC Gomez going to fight in the eliminator, despite his dispute with Arena Box-Promotions, or will Virchis be facing a different opponent?


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[daja]

:D Krasniqi

[Artani]

Krasniqi will not fight Virchis. Krasniqi is not ratde to fight for eliminator. Krasniqi haved before offer to fight Bidenko but he refused.

[Odo]

Krasniqi will not fight Virchis. Krasniqi is not ratde to fight for eliminator. Krasniqi haved before offer to fight Bidenko but he refused.

Bidenko would have boxed circles around Luan giving that shot Albanian fighter a lesson in boxing.

[Artani]

Bidenko would have boxed circles around Luan giving that shot Albanian fighter a lesson in boxing.

Bidenko lost from Nuri Seferi at 2005 but gets fight from referes. He dont have chance with Krasniqi.

[daja]

:nono Against Krasniqi Bidenko has no chanse.

Krasniqi will be back.:happy

[Odo]

Bidenko lost from Nuri Seferi at 2005 but gets fight from referes. He dont have chance with Krasniqi.

I for my part even doubt that the version of your compatriot who turned up to fight Thompson will be able to go the full route with feather fisted Bidenko.


And as for Seferi vs Bidenko you are probably the only soul out there who had Seferi ahead on points after his encounter with Bidenko.Dont forget: a cat in gloves catches no mice.Seferi is a tough journeyman who has a decent defense.However, in order to win a fight a fighter has to connect with some punches.
Seferi is Albanian,isnt he! Guess that is why you claim that he should have won against Bidenko,isnt that so?
Anyway! I will certainly bet my money on Bidenko against Luan.As Bidenko Luan cant crack an egg either,but unlike Bidenko your great Albanian hero is past his prime and over the hill looking like a shot boxer against Thompson in his last outing to a ring.

[Tunney5]

Although Gomez is complaining about not having enough time to prepare for the fight, it appears it is set for March 8.

Virchis is not the fastest heavyweight, but he has decent skills and perhaps he will eventually connect and send Gomez to the canves.

[Odo]

Although Gomez is complaining about not having enough time to prepare for the fight, it appears it is set for March 8.

Virchis is not the fastest heavyweight, but he has decent skills and perhaps he will eventually connect and send Gomez to the canves.

I hope so ,too. Virchis can end a fight any time,but he needs a stationary target.As long as Gomez can outbox Virchis and as long as his stamina doesnt let him down Gomez should be able to win a point decision.But to tell the truth Gomez has the reputation of a very lazy fighter who isnt that fond of sweating and training in the gym.He shouldnt take the fight with Virchis if he doesnt really feel ready to go 12 long rounds with a dangerous banger.
You cant play with Virchis.One of his murderous punches and you are out of the game.Gomez should really keep his nose to the grindstone sweating in the gym or he will spoil the biggest party of his life.

[Tunney5]

Vladimir's promoters said today that they are not violating the WBC rules by having the fight on March 8. The purse bid was ordered back in November, so Gomez has already had plenty of time to prepare.

[11player]

Gomez camp is complaining about nothing, I do remember reading about the mandatory elimination fight back in November and that it would go for purse bid early in 2008. They knew it was coming and could have prepared.

[Grebfan9]

Hi All,

I have not seen Virchis fight. Does he have power
on the scale of a Ron Lyle or Earnie Shavers???


Grebfan9
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[Farmboxer]

Virchis can knock Gomez out, but Gomez will try to run the entire fight.

Bidenko is a good boxer and would beat Krasniqi. It's a shame that Krasniqi wasted his talent though.

[Tunney5]

Has anybody heard anything new about the WBC eliminator? Is Virchis really asking for another eight weeks past March 8? It seems hard to believe, since he's already had since November to prepare.

[Mendoza]

Hi All,

I have not seen Virchis fight. Does he have power
on the scale of a Ron Lyle or Earnie Shavers???


Grebfan9
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On Lyle's scale for sure. Virchis is a very heavy handed fighter. He has a wrecking ball like right hand, and a short but powerfull uppercut. His hook is sloppy but hard. Virchis can KO's guys with but a one or two few shots. He is not a grind them down type of Knock out artist at all.

In some ways he's got Sam Peter like power. The diffrence is Virchis doesn't seem to gas as quickly as Peter does, and throws even less punches. Virchis seems to have a very sturdy chin too. Not an easy guy to beat. If he lands his best stuff, he can Ko anyone.

Here are some videos of Virchis in the ring:

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[11player]

Man, what a mess, the other day Virchis was there promoting his March 8th fight, now he is also saying he needs more time.

If that's really the case, just set a new date for the end of March/beggining of April and get it over with.

Why not push it to March 29th ? that'd do the full 8 weeks both are asking for.

[SmokinJoe]

No, he doesn't need any additional time, don't let Arena's matchmaker fool you.
What's going on is basically mind games, but a 30-something years old man is supposed to be mature enough to undestand it.

1)Last week Virchis was in Germany and joined a press conference hosted by his promoter Kohl, he literally said the usual crap "I'm in the best shape of my life and I'm looking forward to bla.....bla.....bla".
Now people want us to believe that he wants more money, he's unhappy with the terms, the purse, whatever.
That's all bullshit, I don't believe a single word that's coming out of this phony "press-release" that are being hosted in the ESB homepage, but I sadly believe Virchis is so stupid that he can't even realize the WBC will probably strip both him and the other genius, Gomez, of their #1 and #2 position, maybe Arena's matchmaker, who tragically happens to be also his advisor ( isn't it funny? a matchmaker for a promoter works as a consulent for a fighter who's under contract with another promoter, I thought only we Italians had this such of craps in boxing).
By the way, fuck him, I'm gonna take his avatar off my profile, he really disappointed me

[kostya by ko]

the WBC will probably strip both him and the other genius, Gomez, of their #1 and #2 position

if the fight doesn't happen - I hope this does come to pass.

Good post SJ - I agree in full. People are sick of being messed aroud by this kind of bullshit.

[Artani]

I for my part even doubt that the version of your compatriot who turned up to fight Thompson will be able to go the full route with feather fisted Bidenko.


And as for Seferi vs Bidenko you are probably the only soul out there who had Seferi ahead on points after his encounter with Bidenko.Dont forget: a cat in gloves catches no mice.Seferi is a tough journeyman who has a decent defense.However, in order to win a fight a fighter has to connect with some punches.
Seferi is Albanian,isnt he! Guess that is why you claim that he should have won against Bidenko,isnt that so?
Anyway! I will certainly bet my money on Bidenko against Luan.As Bidenko Luan cant crack an egg either,but unlike Bidenko your great Albanian hero is past his prime and over the hill looking like a shot boxer against Thompson in his last outing to a ring.

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Bidenko told that he dident have never before hard match like Seferi includin with Valuev. It was very dificult to win albanian fighter.

[Artani]

Time working for Virchis. Im sure that Virchis will KO him badly in the middle of rounds.

[Farmboxer]

Virchis shoud win by KO or TKO.

[11player]

No, he doesn't need any additional time, don't let Arena's matchmaker fool you.
What's going on is basically mind games, but a 30-something years old man is supposed to be mature enough to undestand it.

1)Last week Virchis was in Germany and joined a press conference hosted by his promoter Kohl, he literally said the usual crap "I'm in the best shape of my life and I'm looking forward to bla.....bla.....bla".
Now people want us to believe that he wants more money, he's unhappy with the terms, the purse, whatever.
That's all bullshit, I don't believe a single word that's coming out of this phony "press-release" that are being hosted in the ESB homepage, but I sadly believe Virchis is so stupid that he can't even realize the WBC will probably strip both him and the other genius, Gomez, of their #1 and #2 position, maybe Arena's matchmaker, who tragically happens to be also his advisor ( isn't it funny? a matchmaker for a promoter works as a consulent for a fighter who's under contract with another promoter, I thought only we Italians had this such of craps in boxing).
By the way, fuck him, I'm gonna take his avatar off my profile, he really disappointed me

Mind games? it did cross my mind but in this case it sounded so foolish I did not believe it would be so, but if you say those guys are stupid enough to do it, I do believe you. It's rather sad though.

Anyway, I guess rescheduling it for a few weeks later is not out of the question, right? It's better to have a fight than no fight at all.

I just don't want it to go back to the WBC to appoint a new mandatory situation, that will take quite some time and possibly end up in one more mess.

[Odo]

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Bidenko told that he dident have never before hard match like Seferi includin with Valuev. It was very dificult to win albanian fighter.

:heyWhy? Because Seferi is Albanian? Bidenko had been brutally knocked out by his compatriot Virchis before.Seferi his toughest fight,eh!

[Odo]

Money is the name of this game.Virchis is right in demanding as much money as possible for a fight which can end his pro career.
His encounter with Gomez will be his career defining pro fight.A lot is at stake!
Virchis is on the verge of getting a title shot.He has the tools to upset the winner of Maskaev/Peter vs Vitaly Klitschko.Lots of money can be earned with his him.So why shouldnt he have the right to try to milk as much money out of his promoter Kohl as possible? Right now Virchis has other options.I am positive that he doesnt have a lot of difficulty in finding a well known American promoter.Virchis' firepower is impressive,he can be easily sold as your next door's neighour due to his biography+he is highly ranked in some abc orgs.

[NBT]

Lots of money can be earned with his him.
WTF are you smoking, Odo? I'll never understand why you have to overhype EVERY damn Eastern Euopean no matter what. This is Vladimir Virchis we are taking about, most of the money invested in his career is dead money. Just because the Klitschkos made it doesn't mean any big Ukrainian is suddenly a huge moneymaker and can capitalise on the Klitschko success. That's what they are trying with Dimitrenko but with very little success and Virchis is even less marketable. If he has any charisma at all he buried it in Kiev. He won't get sponsors like BOSS and he won't get any TV commercials even if he wins a title, do you get it? I don't think he is in a position to demand anything. If it weren't for the Klitschkos he wouldn't have a career and no one would give a fuck about a zombie like Virchis, that's the truth. I actually like Virchis, but this is ridiculous. He should take what he can get, he certainly won't get better opportunies.

[Grebfan9]

Mendoza,

Thanks for the info on Virchis. Hope he gets things straightened
out & gets a crack at Maskaev, Ibragimov or Klitschko.

A big KO puncher WITH a strong chin is always a welcome addition
to the heavyweight scene.


Grebfan9
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On Lyle's scale for sure. Virchis is a very heavy handed fighter. He has a wrecking ball like right hand, and a short but powerfull uppercut. His hook is sloppy but hard. Virchis can KO's guys with but a one or two few shots. He is not a grind them down type of Knock out artist at all.

In some ways he's got Sam Peter like power. The diffrence is Virchis doesn't seem to gas as quickly as Peter does, and throws even less punches. Virchis seems to have a very sturdy chin too. Not an easy guy to beat. If he lands his best stuff, he can Ko anyone.

Here are some videos of Virchis in the ring:

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[Artani]

Juan Carlos Gomes is staying one of the best talent who I ever seen but he lost a lot in his life, and he demage his boxing carear. If he dont broke marriage with Sdunek dauther he will be heavyweight champion before five years. Im sure that he can beat both Klitschkos in one night, this saying also his former trainer Sdunek.

I saw in fight with Bekhatov, he wins by UD but he is not any more Juan Carlos Gomes of year 2000, he is not fast like before, he cant puch like before and his combination was down. My opinion is that Virchis will KO him, sorry but this will happen.

[jisi]

Im sure that he can beat both Klitschkos in one night, this saying also his former trainer Sdunek.

Who cares what Fritz Sdunek says, he knows nothing about real boxing.

Emanuel Steward is the trainer of Wladimir Klitschko and against this Wladimir Juan Carlos has no chance against Wlad.

I am amused about this statement from Sdunek, Sdunek also said "Luan Krasniqi should retired after the bout against Saleta. Sdunek said: "Luan is a bum".

[11player]

I just hope everything gets settled quickly so the fans can enjoy a nice eliminatory HW fight.

Both Gomez and Virchis are very good HWs, but borderline top 10 at the moment and I don't like their chances against any of the current belt holders, but Maskaev.

The thing is, with their advanced age, it's highly unlikely they will be making significant improvements at this point, but both are ranked high on most organizations so a loss will not end their careers, it will be only a setback that can be solved with a win in a significant fight afterwards, to get back into the mix.

Anyway, Virchis is a devastating puncher, so he always has a chance out there and he might be a late bloomer. He still has, at least, two good years in him.

Gomez is a pretty skilled and long boxer and also has a decent chance at getting a belt. I feel he also has about two good competitive years in him.

[fcu1]

Who cares what Fritz Sdunek says, he knows nothing about real boxing.

Emanuel Steward is the trainer of Wladimir Klitschko and against this Wladimir Juan Carlos has no chance against Wlad.

I am amused about this statement from Sdunek, Sdunek also said "Luan Krasniqi should retired after the bout against Saleta. Sdunek said: "Luan is a bum".

Sdunek is at least right about Luan !

[Odo]

WTF are you smoking, Odo? I'll never understand why you have to overhype EVERY damn Eastern Euopean no matter what. This is Vladimir Virchis we are taking about, most of the money invested in his career is dead money. Just because the Klitschkos made it doesn't mean any big Ukrainian is suddenly a huge moneymaker and can capitalise on the Klitschko success. That's what they are trying with Dimitrenko but with very little success and Virchis is even less marketable. If he has any charisma at all he buried it in Kiev. He won't get sponsors like BOSS and he won't get any TV commercials even if he wins a title, do you get it? I don't think he is in a position to demand anything. If it weren't for the Klitschkos he wouldn't have a career and no one would give a fuck about a zombie like Virchis, that's the truth. I actually like Virchis, but this is ridiculous. He should take what he can get, he certainly won't get better opportunies.

I am a non-smoker,mate!:D

I totally disagree with what you have written.Just read my previous post in this thread a little bit more carefully.At present he is no draw at all in Germany,and I somehow doubt that he will ever be one due to his lack of media exposure in Germany.His promoter hasnt really done a very convincing job in selling him to the German fans.
Anyway! He for sure is in a position to demand more money.His upcoming eliminator fight can end his pro career.On the other hand he for sure has a relatively great potential-especially in the American market.
He is huge,he is white,he is a former farmer,he appeals to the average fight fans,poor skills,but a lot of pop in his fists.He embodies the stereotype of the blue-collar worker who fights against all odds.IMO he can be sold to the American audience far more easily than -say- the boring Russian Sultan Ibragimov or the stiff Alexander Dimitrenko.What's more I bet my house that he can earn more bucks in the USA than in Germany.
At present Virchis is high in some abc ratings-he is on the verge of getting a shot at one of the world title holders.Now is the time to press as much money out of his promoter as possible.I dare to say that he has other options.
Dimitrenko? He is a boring fighter who wins most of his fights with his jab.He may be a big draw in Germany one day,but I very much doubt that any American fight fan gets crazy watching him fight.
Virchis has far more potential.He is among the top 10 of the heavy weight division.American fight fans will love his style.
Sponsors like BOSS? Who cares! He is no Wladimir Klitschko,and will never be one.Thats for sure! However,why should he fight for peanuts in Germany when he can get better paychecks over the pond.
Even America's bible of boxing-The Ring-has him among its top 10.Damn! Do you really think that there is no big American promoter who isnt interested in him.You seem to lack both vision and the understanding of the pro game's marketing rules.
In terms of markebility he is one of the most underrated heavies out there.
Makes you wonder whether Virchis would have fared better if he had signed with an American promoter after his surprising victory against Bidenko.I am totally confidend that he would.
You see , my main reason behind my argumention is that he is one of the rare exemples in the big boys' league who would have fared better in the USA than in Germany.
Anyway! I very much hope that he kicks Gomez 's ass in his upcoming bout.This would enable him to look for a new promoter over the ocean and find one without the trouble he may come up at this point of his career.

[NBT]

Virchis will never ever be a draw because he has the charisma of a block of wood and that's why he gets no media exposure. You get media exposure if the media are interested in you but Virchis has nothing to "expose". btw your claim that being a "former farmer" equals "great potential on the American market" is just hilarious. :lol: If he think he can earn more money in the USA (and this is bullshit and you know it, the money in HW boxing is in Europe right now, prospects like Chambers would have never come to Germany 10 years ago), he should go for it. Seriously, if I were Universum I would give him the boot immediately for such antics, Universum doesn't need Virchis, he won't earn them money. Virchis and "marketable" is a contradiction.

[Artani]

Who cares what Fritz Sdunek says, he knows nothing about real boxing.

Emanuel Steward is the trainer of Wladimir Klitschko and against this Wladimir Juan Carlos has no chance against Wlad.

I am amused about this statement from Sdunek, Sdunek also said "Luan Krasniqi should retired after the bout against Saleta. Sdunek said: "Luan is a bum".

Its NOT TRUE !

Sdunek have a lot simphaty for Luan Krasniqi but he coudent never to train him because he trains brothers Klitschkos. You know what Sdunek says to Dimitrenko one month before :"You cant win never Luan" .Sorry Jisi but this is true.

About Sdunek, he staying one of the best trainer in the Europe.

[Odo]

Virchis will never ever be a draw because he has the charisma of a block of wood and that's why he gets no media exposure. You get media exposure if the media are interested in you but Virchis has nothing to "expose". btw your claim that being a "former farmer" equals "great potential on the American market" is just hilarious. :lol: If he think he can earn more money in the USA (and this is bullshit and you know it, the money in HW boxing is in Europe right now, prospects like Chambers would have never come to Germany 10 years ago), he should go for it. Seriously, if I were Universum I would give him the boot immediately for such antics, Universum doesn't need Virchis, he won't earn them money. Virchis and "marketable" is a contradiction.

You are entitled to your opinion,nbt! Nevertheless have you never asked yourself why a boring and lame heavy like Sultan Ibragimov earns more or less decent bucks over there in the US whereas a fighter like Virchis earns meagre money here in Germany?
Miracles happen more frequently in the US than in Germany.
Virchis is white,he can bang,he is a threat to any present heavy weight rival,he is the embodiment of the blue-collar worker.He just needs a good promoter and media exposure.
"You get media exposure if the media is interested in you"
Dont be make me laugh,mate! Sauerland 's fighters receive much more media attention than Universum's fighters-even at a very early stage of their careers.A very limited and boring fighter like Haussler is better known than most top fighters of Universum's box stable.

[Odo]

""""Q: How do you see Virchis as opponent?

A: Very complete. Great fundamentals. """""

Gomez's American coach Roach 's reply made my day.Had a good laugh when reading his interview on esb.Whoever has seen Virchis knows that his skills are poor and that he heavily relies on his murderous firepower.

[Rick G]

(...) Sdunek also said "Luan Krasniqi should retired after the bout against Saleta". Sdunek said: "Luan is a bum" (...)

What's wrong with that statement?

[Tunney5]

JC Gomez signed the contract today to fight Vladimir Virchis on Sep 27 in Germany.

[kostya by ko]

I hope Virchis knocks out Gomez.

Gomez is an ongoing saga that may as well be relegated IMO.

I also tend to agree that Virchis could do well in the US market.
I'm not sure that 'charisma' is the be all and end all ... ironically his lack of charisma could be a marketing tool in itself as long as he speaks with KO's in the ring. The US boxing market is somewhat saturated already with loudmouth urban hipsters banging away, about this and that, in the media with shouting voices and extroverted personalities.

[Farmboxer]

Virchis should know Gomez out, but you never know with Klaus Peter Kohl in control.

[madpup]

Its now or never for Virchis. If he can deliver a spectacular knockout against Gomez, people may take notice of him. Hard not to like him, because he does have phenomenal power and he always looks for that knockout punch, not a great boxer by any means, but still, he has what people look for in heavyweight fighters.

[Ringrat]

JC Gomez signed the contract today to fight Vladimir Virchis on Sep 27 in Germany.

What year?

[southpawslick]

Is Virchis really so slow as everyone thinks. I've never seen him except on youtube but he didn not look all that slow and robotic to me. His KO of Adan Serin I believe it was, was a thing of beauty. It was what we call an automatic left hook, thrown instinctively without even thinking. It looked to me like the guy has potential but of course I've been very limited in what footage I've seen.

[Farmboxer]

If he lands one good punch on Gomez, it'll be all over.

[shavers]

This fight is a waste off time, gomez will box circles around Virchis.
Virchis power is overrated and he will get exposed badly...